NAZI NUCLEAR WASTE FOUND IN ABANDONED MINE
Just when you thought the postwar Allied Legend of Nazi nuclear incompetence was safe and secure, yet another odd story crops up to add to the growing body of evidence suggesting that the Allied Legend is just that, a legend, a fabrication, a misdirection to prevent people from examining the end of World War Two in Europe too closely:
Nazi nuclear waste from Hitler\'s secret A-bomb programme found in mine
This article is intriguing to me in two respects, the first being that it is a bit late - as far as major tabloid press is concerned - to get into the game, for the stories of the Nazi atom bomb tests at Ruegen and Ohrdruf began to be seriously researched and discussed in Germany by German researchers not only earlier in this decade, but the last decade. This was supplemented by Carter Hydrick's wonderful study Critical Mass, a study that in my opinion was so good that it had to be trashed by reviewers (which it was), because the story it contained was so stupendous. According to Hydrick, the Nazi nuclear program involved, at the minimum, a huge uranium enrichment program, and that program was probably successful to the point that the Nazis had enriched, to varying degrees of purity, uranium 235, and some of it was probably of fissile-weapons grade quality, and that uranium, if not the actual bomb design or functioning bombs themselves, made their way into the Manhattan project, making our early success possible (remember, we weren't supposed to have enough u-235 for a functioning bomb until November 1945 according to Ernst Oppenheimer).
The second thing that intrigues me about this article is the clear implication of modern researchers now finding, 2000 feet below ground in an abandoned mine, barrels of nuclear waste. This is highly significant, for waste implies exactly what Carter Hydrick argued, namely, that the Nazi program was not the haphazard, hit-and-miss, p0orly coordinated laboratory affair that got no further than a few clumsy attempts by Heisenberg to build a reactor, but rather, its enrichment program was a huge concern, highly organized, and processing isotopes to a degree similar to, if not exceeding, the Manhattan project in its sheer size.
But note the article's reference to Germany's Greenpeace movement, and their call for the government to release secret documents concerning the waste dump from the German Federal archives, documents that, according to the expert cited, would reveal much about the German bomb program, documents that still remain classified. This raises two questions (1) why are they still classified, and (2) are they from the old US government Berlin Document Center? The answer to the second question is probably a "yes," and therefore, it will ultimately be the US government that has the final say-so on whether any more information about the Nazi atom bomb program will come to light. Which brings up the first question: why would documents still be classified?
The answer is simple, and disturbing, and I have been hinting at it throughout my Nazi series of books, beginning with Reich of the Black Sun, namely, that the political consequences are still somehow with us; that the Nazi program may have been wildly more successful than we were told, that we made a bargain with the Nazi devil - a bargain which may have included Nazi nuclear secrets and materials as part of the bargain - in order to gain additional atom bomb secrets, enrichment processes, and perhaps even to gain a quick atom bomb by which to end the war in the Pacific. The extent of that bargain with the Nazi devil is still unknown, even though I and other researchers have been following the story ever since the end of the War. My bet? We're not going to see much more released from the Berlin Document center, not any time soon anyway....
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Some very interesting points and discussion here. Excellent stuff. Just been reading some of the transcripts from the
Farm Hall and wondering how this fits in?
If you are unfamiliar with this see below. The British secretly recorded German scientists that they had in their custody.
All of them were surprised at the success of the Allies in exploding an atom bomb and there was no indication they were ever
close to building one from their comments.
Can anyone explain this – or is it the case that none of the scientists interred at farm hall were relevant to the programme indicated above?
The list is: –
Erich Bagge, Kurt Diebner, Walther Gerlach, Otto Hahn, Paul Harteck, Werner Heisenberg
Horst Korsching, Max von Laue,Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker,Karl Wirtz
Another curious aspect is that Hitler clearly mentioned a new devastating weapon (not biological) on a number of occasions, which I find
interesting.
Thanks gents. Has there been any further developments on these 120,000 barrels?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Epsilon
Hmm? Coast to coast talking about Veteran illnesses PTSD from the golf war talking about extremely powerful nuclear ordinance for tanks, artillery or rockets bunker busters, and various other types of ammo used in Iraq.General Schwartzkopf even talked about it in his book starting on about page 309. Sort of like dirty bombs with a punch. You think we had all the advantages but we forget our troops had to fight in that environment to! And how long does a plum or invisible cloud from radioactive contamination last? The scariest part was how the or our government tried to cover it all up and deny benefits to many veterans of this particular gulf war! To me I see a big calculated experiment that went totally awry!
And where did this idea for this new weaponry or munitions come from? You guessed it “NAZI Germany” toward the end of the war when they were getting desperate
One guy an officer I believe was saying he was tested and the doctors said he was contaminated 5000 times above the normal acceptable radioactive levels. And he was an officer how about all them troops on the ground. You can’t feel it, see it, or smell it or taste it. So you come home after the war go back to civilian life and you don’t know until your out of the military several years. That you actually received a lethal dose of radiation while you were there. Mean while the government has erased and or distroyed all records that you even fought in this conflict or war in Iraq or that you were ever in the service period. Damage control so they don’t have to pay out any benefits.
Rudolph Hess Exhumed and Cremated, ashes scattered at sea!
whats just happened is stunning.
bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14232768
I was just about to post this myself and you beat me to it haha.
Burned and thrown into the sea….hhhhmmmmm
I am living in Braunschweig/Germany not far away from the
Asse salt mine (strange name indeed) and you will believe
me that this news has really upset many people living in
the vicinity.
Mr. Alwin Urff, a mining engineer and former plant manager,
told the Hannoversche Allgemeine Zeitung on July 24th 1974,
that the first disposal operations in April 1967
concerned a kind of uranic waste related to the WW2 German
atomic bomb program. “This stuff had to be transported
from bunkers near Munich, where it had been stored
since the end of the war.”
Meanwhile Rainer Karlsch was asked by both politicians
and journalists to assess the truth behind the story.
According to the Sueddeutsche Zeitung (July 12th edition)
he felt “surprised and excited”. Despite the confiscation
of metallic uranium and uranic compounds in Germany
after the war he wouldn’t exclude the possibility that Allied
forces overlooked some material. He pointed out that
a reproducible balance of the Third Reich’s total uranium
production is still missing.
The whole radioactive inventory of the Asse salt mine is
stored in 126,000 barrels. This figure has not to be mistaken
for the alleged German atomic bomb waste.
Nuclear waste store since 1967 thats twenty two years after the war what were they doing with this stuff from forty five to sixty seven as for the Norwegain saboteurs even the dumbist Nazi would have known the implacations of that action and spilt the shipment up and send the heavy water by other routes. The party guarding the suppose shipment would have been told or knew they were the sacrificial monkeys or maybe not so that the real shipment could get through with little to no awareness by the Allies. As who was working on the atomic bomb project of the Nazis they would for security reasons be second or third tier so they would not show up on the books so to speak and been liable to be on a Alliy hit list.
I would love to know the documentation for both the telegram from Churchill and FDR’s dinner comment.
Yup me too
And this:
http://www.worldcrunch.com/nuclear-waste-nazi-era-stocked-abandoned-german-salt-mine/3451
“The catalyst for the speculation is an old report in the Hannoverschen Allgemeinen Zeitung dating from July 29, 1974 that quotes a deputy manager of the Asse storage facility stating that “radioactive waste from the last war“ had been put there in 1967.”
That would be an interesting article to investigate.
Joseph, you may be interested to know that I have just finished running the ‘race for the atom bomb’ course in my year 10 elective History class (for my American friends these are 15-16 year olds in Australia).
We examined the research of Powers, lawrence Rose, Hydrick and yourself. All of them agreed that the SS project was more than likely and that the ‘allied legend’ did not make sense according to the source documents from the period, or even from a semantic point of view.
It was an interesting experiment to watch-young fresh minds with no real pre existing agendas seeing the evidence speak for itself.
And now they want to examine Roswell and all its angles as a case study in order to understand how societies build and manipulate myth and history. I have had some interesting questions asked about how I am going to programme this module hahaha…….’Roswell and the Reich’ in hand hahah
I shall have a lot of fun with this new development in the staff room tomorrow with my nazi bomb ‘deniers’ haha.
What with the meltdown of Fukushima, and floods effecting nuclear facilities in the U.S. etc., it looks to me like the timing of this news release is purposely to incite further anti-nuclear hysteria around the globe.
Then we have “126,000 barrels of nuclear material“ which is quite a lot and even if it’s just old heavy water or some such, speaks volumes (pun intended) about the German nuclear program in WWII. That is, the Nazi program was far larger than we are told it was.
As for keeping such information secret today: Cui bono?
There is an amazing amount of material from that era (and earlier) still classified, and I think you are right on the money about the “why?” The only reason to keep such material secret after 60 years is that it would either embarrass some powerful family or group, or it would point to political and economic power structures which are still active (hence accountable?) today.
One good example of this is the telegram from Churchill received by FDR the night before December 7, 1941, which prompted FDR to announce to his dinner guests that “by tomorrow afternoon, we will be in the war.” The only reason to keep that telegram classified is that it warns quite clearly of the impending attack in plenty of time to alert our troops, which was not done, costing thousands of lives – something which would still create political fallout today.
Just imagine what would happen if such a powerful document surfaced today which proved conclusively that our President knew about the 9-11 attacks and decided to let them happen anyway……the psychic impact of such an attack is highly useful for mobilizing populations and silencing dissent. There are even deeper ritual reasons for doing so.
Pearl Harbor shocked this country far more deeply than 9-11, despite what today’s media tell you. The percentage of the population who would not be shocked by such happenings was far smaller in those days.
This article, if the facts prove true, is a resounding confirmation of the work of researchers like JPF, Hydrick and others. There is no way the goofball project we are told was the Nazi nuke program could have produced such an amount of waste. Sounds like “buna plant” waste to me…..that amount would be expected for the shipment of enriched Uranium on unterseeboot U-234, and would tend to corroborate the role of the Auschwitz facility. It would have been capable of producing this amount of waste. I bet there would be evidence in rail transport logs to support this, as well. (The Nazis were meticulous record keepers – I bet there is far more of this kind of information than we imagine.)
More layers of the onion….
Excellent and provocative thoughts Jon. Thank you!
The United States is holding 240 tons of German gold. I will bet you a worthless fiat currency US dollar that if the German government releases these documents that would be proof that Nazi’s of all professional backgrounds including the SS were indeed allowed placement in the US government and scientific communities, this gold will be “taken”……..and then the WWIII currency war will morph into something else.
I could be off by a few numerals as to the actual tonnage, but it’s a bunch of gold.
126 000 barrels is a lot of barrels. That is a very, very large quantity of waste. My room could most likely fit 280 barrels (7x10x4). This quantity of waste barrels found equate to roughly to 450 large bedrooms. Presuming a building with 4 units per floor with 4 rooms each we’re talking about a 28 story building (with 12 feet ceiling mind you). Assuming of course that this is the whole lot, that there’s no more squirreled away somewhere.
I would venture that perhaps they used their weapon’s grade uranium/etc. for something other than bombs. With that much wastes, I highly doubt that they had no success at all. We are talking about Nobel prize winners. The guys that wrote the textbooks still in use today. These are not second fiddlers to quote Joseph. These guys wrote the book.
My question is, what possible other use than bombs could they have had at the time for weapon grade uranium?
“a bargain which may have included Nazi nuclear secrets and materials as part of the bargain”: precisely Joseph. Has been inferred time and time again if my memory serves me correctly.