SPEAKING OF THE MOON….
Speaking of the Moon, I have in front of me a rather provocative book, by Luca Scatamburlo, called Apollo 20: The Disclosure: Moon: A Joint US and Soviet Space Mission on the Dark Side? The thesis of the book may be boiled down to the following:
"The goal of these two p[resumed secret joint space mission(sic), result of an American-Soviet collaboration, was to reach the backside of the Moon (the Delporte-Izsak region, close to the well-known Tsiolkovsky crater) and to explore a huge object found out during the Apollo 15 mission. What the Apollo 20 crew found, it was a huge and ancient alien spaceship..." (p. 36).
Well there you have it: a convenient book hitting all the memes: (1) ancient artifacts (2) a covert and joint Soviet-American space program involving the Moon, exactly as was envisioned by President Kennedy, and (3) an "explanation" as to why the Apollo program was "canceled." According to the book, it wasn't canceled at all, it just went deeply black.
The problem with this book - like so many others of this genre - is that it is based on whistleblower testimony, and anonymous whistleblower testimony at that. The other problem I have with it is the neatness and tidiness with which it ties together so many outstanding mysteries, as if it were a story deliberately designed to do just that. Nonetheless, when added to the total tapestry of lunar anomalies, it does give one pause. If any of its assertions even contain an element or kernel of truth, then much of the public and standard history of the space program will need to be re-written.
But there is an additional problem: if there is any truth at all to the book, then any corroboration will have to come from the larger picture, and that larger picture does indeed indicate that the possibility exists that there has been something deeply covert taking place with respect to the Moon.
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You posted this story on the forty two anniversary of Apollo 11 MOON landing I hope you got my message about Aldrin punch out a guy for saying his trip there was a fake. Anyway with the finding of more expected water on the Moon what does that tell us what really is there and on at lest three of the moons of Jupiter and at least one of Saturn of all the places in the solar system to be looking for life. A more interesting thought is what did Nixon do with the money for the follow up missions of Apollo 17 and why have or the man space missions have been a dog and pony show underfunded or cancelled o by the way the JWST in under the ax I wonder what acts of sabotage NASA has been ordered to do to get rid of that program.
Finding the “Battlestar Galactica” on the ground somewhere on the lunar farside should give most anyone pause!
If the PLAAF really posted the pics in their official website then I would venture they have their own photographs. The Chinese are very proud and would not easily, especially mind you the crown jewel of their army their air force/space force, post something outlandish like this without evidence and thus opening themselves to being ridiculed. They are similar to the Russian government I remind you, they don’t talk without purpose. I am in China, my wife is Chinese, and my inlaws are in politics. My two cents…
As always, quite interesting. Consider, however, that the common knowledge of what’s happening (real) is always 50-100 +/- years behind actual. Further, note that the present and continuing evolutionary work in Chaos Theory, Quantum Theory, Space Time Configuration thinking, Gravity, Hadron et al; along with all of the new math and sciences; etc. puts the confidence levels of this whole ‘business’ into the 50/50 probability range.
Indeed, could we almost be ready for 60/40?
sorry about the copy and paste, here is the correct link to CLEP’s report of Apollo 20’s discovery of the spaceship on the moon
http://210.82.31.82/index.asp?modelname=gjsye000_nr&FractionNo=&titleno=gjsye000&recno=1644
I’m pretty sure that this “discovery” has been debunked … ages ago. I remember seeing the first reports of it when it came out in … 2007 (??). It seemed rather silly then and … it still does in my mind. Apparently the reports stated that the ship (if thats what it is) has been there for millions of years … if memory serves me correctly. I would like to know how did they figure that one out lol.
As someone has said already. it would be really fabulous if all this stuff was real … but it isn’t. Its mostly the work of hoaxers and deluded fools (tough talk I know, but unfortunately true in most cases).
In my opinion, the only (still really strange possible “evidence” (after all these years) of something that may be other worldly is the film of the Nellis AFB object from the mid ’90s. As far as I know that hasn’t been debunked in any meaningful way, and is far stranger than a big lump of strangely shaped, blurry (and most probably photoshopped) rock on the moon.
But as always, I could be horribly wrong lol
Best wishes
H Price, aka paraschtick
Given the fact, technologically speaking, both the American and the Soviet benefited from Nazi achievements, not to mention the political influence the post-war Nazi had in America, something like “the fourth reich”.
Given the Nazi bell was the modern precursor to the study and application of torsion technology, Judy wood’s conclusion that the collapse of WTC was the work of “star wars weapon” which Richard Hoagland recognizes as torsion weapon, and the tragedy happened under the presidency of a man whose family have ties to the Nazies.
Since the Nazi influence is the lingering factor, my bet is whatever is covertly taking place with respect to the Moon, the root may well be traced back to the Nazi era, the continuation of a “Nazi legacy”.
That’s where events like the Nazi expeditions to Tibet, and consequently the ancient legends may fit into the big picture, where disinformation and hoaxes alone can not explain all that “ET fuss”.
And im sure the CLEP which is ambitiously embarking on the exploration of the moon finds it silly too when they decided to have this debunked piece on their front page after their own orbiter had just probed the moon.
For their own sake, i hope it is not the same silliness that’s driving them towards the planetary satellite.
Best wishes to you too
There are ancient Chinese legends speaking of “celestial rafts”, their size varies, the largest type were called “the boat hanging among the stars” or “the boat going to the moon”, the name seem to indicate they are spaceships bounded for the moon. Around 2300 BC, the huge ship would float around China every 12 years during the reign of Yao, the record say they always stop somewhere directly above waters, this attribute of it seem to suggest the Aliens have underwater facilities in both inland seas as well as oceans.
In his book “DEAD MEN’S SECRETS”, author Jonathan Gray mentioned the following in chapter 27 under the title “To the moon and beyond? WERE WE ON THE MOON IN
2309 B.C.?”
“A story from this same period states that an enormous ship appeared on the sea at night with brilliant lights which were extinguished during the day. It could also sail to the moon and the stars, hence its name, ‘the ship hanging among the stars’ or ‘the boat to the moon’”
This piece of information is found in the Shi yi ji (record of gleanings). In the book, ‘the ship hanging among the stars’ is called gua xing cha (literally gua=hanging; xing=stars; cha=raft), ‘the boat to the moon’ is called guan yue cha (guan=to be linked together; yue=moon).
Here is the translation of the original passage:
“Thirty years after Yao became the sovereign, there was an enormous raft floating over the western sea, the raft has lights that shine at night which were extinguished during the day, people nearby saw the lights, waning and waxing, like stars and moon are appearing and disappearing, the raft would float routinely over the four seas, twelve years a cycle, cycle after cycle, the name for it is guan yue cha or gua xing cha, the feathered men live aboard it, the celestials gargle their nectar, the light of the sun and the moon becomes dim. There were no more recount of its appearance since the era of Yu and Xia dynasty, those who travel to the seas can still hear the incredible of it”
This is one of the surviving accounts of the mysterious “celestial rafts” mentioned in ancient Chinese texts. Such tales are often simply regarded as the works of imagination (novelist’s inventions) by orthodox scholars. However the author of Shi Yi Ji, Wang Jia (?-390AD) according to history records was a Taoist scholar who lived a secluded life on mountains, he is good at making prophetic remarks, because of such skill, he was sought after by various invading nomadic rulers and enjoyed fame among nobilities despite the fact he was forced to serve the ruling court after his previous refusals. Wang Jia was not a “novelist”; “short-novel” as orthodox scholars would call them doesn’t fit well with some tales found in the Shi Yi Ji, since things like the description of a Volcano and its eruption doesn’t seem to be the work of imagination at all. Granted, most of the tales and objects mentioned in the Shi Yi Ji seem strange indeed.
According to Shi Yi Ji, this ship appeared at the “Western sea”, the ancient name for Qinghai Lake in today’s Qinghai province, during the legendary ruler Yao’s reign, presumably around 2300 BC. The description “like stars and moon are appearing and disappearing” is both describing different effect of the lights as well as the size of the ship, which gives the observer the impression that there was a chunk of sky over the lake, thus the definition “enormous”. It seems such observation is made some distance away from the ship.
The wreck of that gigantic spaceship discovered by Apollo mission on the moon rather fits the profile of the enormous raft recorded in the Shi Yi Ji.
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The term “four seas” in ancient texts may describe China itself or the boundaries of China as defined by certain waters to the four directions, therefore “Western sea” would be the westernmost definition of the “four seas”. This enormous ship would appear periodically around China, and according to the name given to it, it was a space ship bounded for the moon.
Then Shi Yi Ji goes on describing the scenes onboard, the ship is where winged celestials (feathered men) live who drink nectar instead of eating grains so they are immortal. Why would the “light of the sun and moon becomes dim”? Since the name suggesting it to be a spaceship, it’s easier to apprehend the fact the view of the sun and moon would be different from the view of them on the ground, this must have left impression for the observer whoever passed down this tale, that he must be a mortal whom for whatever reasons was allowed to board the ship for immortals.
Other records of “celestial raft” show there were some going on between man and ETs during other times.
Authored by a Western Jin dynasty writer and official Zhang Hua(232-300 AD) ,the “Bo wu zhi”(record of natural science) recount the story of the Xian Cha (celestial raft): “It is said, once upon a time the Milky Way and the sea were connected, in recent time there were people live at the seashore, every year in the August the floating raft would arrive and leave on time, there was a man with high aspiration, tall pavilions are set up on the raft, with abundant supplies, the man boarded the raft and left. For more than 10 days, stars, the moon, the sun passed by as he observed them, afterwards, the vastness made him indistinguishable of the nights and days. Another 10 days of travel, he suddenly arrived at a place where he saw many buildings which look like a city, from distance he saw weaving women in the palace, he saw a man with an Ox drinking at the waterside. Surprised, the Cowherd asked him “how did you get here?” he explained himself and asked the cowherd “what is this place?” the cowherd replied “return to visit Yan jun ping in the prefecture of Shu for answer”, therefore he returned without landing. Thereafter a visit was paid to jun ping in the prefecture of Shu (today’s Sichuan province of China), he told him that “there was a guest star violating the constellation Qianniu”, and that’s when the man paid the visit to the Milky Way”
The Song dynasty work “Tai ping guang ji”(Extensive Records of the Taiping Era) is a collection of things stretching a period from the Han dynasty(206 BC- 220 AD) to the Song dynasty(960-1279 AD), citing “Dong tian ji” it says “The Yan Zun(the same person as Yan jun ping in “Bo wu zhi”) ‘Xian Cha’ was placed in the Linde palace of the Tang dynasty (618-907 AD), it is a metal object with the length of more than fifty chi (the measure of chi is different for different dynasties, it is 1chi=27.65cm during the Qin-Han period; 1chi=31.1cm during the Tang dynasty; 1chi=30.72cm during the Song dynasty, thus making the ‘Xian Cha of Yan Zun’ at least 15 meters long), its hard and it does not corrode. Li deyu (787-850 AD, Tang prime minister) cut thin branch of more than 1 chi, carved an image which often flies away and returns, it disappeared since the era of Guangming (reign of emperor Xizong of Tang dynasty), the raft then flew away as well.”
Interestingly, like Wang Jia, Yan Jun Ping was also a Taoist scholar.
Maybe that’s why the female alien body recovered by Apollo mission resembles “Asiatic/Mongoloid”?
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The Apollo 20 is still debated, but here is a twist to its validity
The official website of Chinese lunar exploration program (CLEP) recently (08/12/09) cited an article discussing the possibility of the secret mission conducted by America’s Apollo 20 lunar mission, titled “Did the Apollo 20 find the wreckage of a gigantic spaceship on the Moon?”
http://210.82.31.82/index.asp?modeln…000&recno=1644
Cited images by the article,
http://i56.tinypic.com/29copd5.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/11wg2uc.jpg
It’s interesting that the Chinese government branch for lunar mission is actually interested in some conspiracy story.
What this demonstrates i believe is that the Chinese know that something “artificial” exist on the moon after their first lunar orbiter Chang’e 1 finished surveying the moon.
This is the only logical explanation for the puzzle why should a genuine government branch like the CLEP be bothered to have this “conspiracy crap” on their website at all?
But this is not the only interesting “anomalies” i notice from the Chinese.
Shortly after the 60th anniversary of the founding of PRC, the PLAAF celebrated its own 60th anniversary on 6th November during which the commander of the PLAAF Xu Qiliang made a speech to audiences including foreign military guests in which the following speech is particularly interesting to me
“The story of Chang’e is well-known to the Chinese, for hundreds of years the Chinese have celebrated the Moon Festival during which they wish for peace and prosperity. I think if Armstrong knew this story, he would possibly pay a visit to the Moon palace”
Maybe the general is just acting lunatic in assuming the possibility of the existence of such “moon palace” of which supposedly exists only in traditional myth. But how can a real astronaut visit some fictional “moon palace”?
As far as im concerned the CLEP is acting exactly the same when their website takes some “spaceship wreckage on the moon conspiracy crap” to the front page.
Unless, they do believe that something “artificial” can be found on the moon. And the “anomalies” only popped up after their Chang’e 1 orbiter completed its mission.
Well said Sam…I happened to see a few minutes of that grisly Bill Ryan ‘interview’ with that obviously ( to anybody except Bill that is: or so it might seem) ridiculous creature, who looked as if she couldn’t believe she was getting away with the drivel she was claiming. No demonstrations of supposed ‘powers’ I noted…or at least as long as I could stand watching such bilge!
dear oh dear…
I come from Amsterdam. We believe everything space or outerwordly…..
Y’know, it’s about time we stopped paying attention to all this disinformation and freakery.
I seriously, seriously want there to be ETs out there, in covert pacts with world governments, in their secret bases on the Moon/ Mars/ Phobos/ wherever, meeting with ordinary people on dark and lonely backroads and taking them on whistlestop tours of the cosmos and their medical probing facilities. I seriously do.
But not so much as I’ll fall for the maunderings of anonymous or even identified ‘witnesses’ who have no proof (as in beyond reasonable doubt).
Has anyone seen the latest Project Camelot protegee? An Eastern European woman who’s heavily into Buddhism and nirvana and shape-shifting light beings who sometimes become human. Not a shred of evidence but tales that appear to be nothing but particularly inventive dreams – or evidence of a delusional mental status.
Mmmm, yea. Just stop it folks.It’s getting really silly.
I wholeheartedly agree Sam!! The stories are interesting, but they get sillier and sillier and are taking on all the trappings of a religion in my opinion. Thanks for the comment!
Well said, Sam! Be careful what ya wish for though; that clandestine “alien” operative might be a gorgeous blonde who might one day quip: “are you alive? Prove it!” What the frak, the Cylons look just like us!
That is the problem with a lot of this material – no means of verification. Anyone can make up what ever they want about things which cannot be checked. That is the whole point of disinformation – muddy the waters so badly that even if the absolute truth comes out, nobody can be really sure about it even if they do recognize it.
I’ve come to the conclusion that a large part of the “disclosure” movement is wittingly or unwittingly just another part of the spin. There simply cannot be that many ex-military and intelligence people involved and not have a certain percentage of them still be working the scam.
Old spooks never die, they just change their story….
I’ve heard of this before. Apparently, the American and Soviet astronauts also found the preserved corpse of a rather human looking “alien” women.
If this were authentic, it could be further proof of the existence of ancient hi-tech spacefaring human civilisations.
However, from what I’ve heard so far, I’m afraid I’m gonna remain skeptical. The thing was apparently on a youtube video, and may well have been faked.
The incredible story MIGHT be true, and I won’t entirely dismiss it. But for the moment the evidence so far presented does not look very convincing.
This is the first I have heard of this. Not sure what to make of it but I am fairly skeptical that it is true; perhaps another smokescreen or a publicity seeker. Anything is possible though.
I have only been coming here to the Nepharium for just s few days now and I have learned much and continue to learn more. Thank you, Dr. Farrell.
OOPS! Make that “Nefarium” with an ‘f’ instead of a ‘ph.” Speaking of learning things, it is time to learn how to spell Nefarium: N-E-F-A-R-I-U-M.
LOL… and our host is sometimes known as Dr. Pharrell!
Hi Dr. Farrell,
you wrote: “the possibility exists that there has been something deeply covert taking place with respect to the Moon.”
bingo!
the only logical reason that can come to mind why the US is abandoning any future attempts to get to the moon is because they are no longer necessary- me thinks we’re already there and probably have been for quite some time-
question is: are we the only ones?
Larry in Germany
Larry in Germany
Law enforcement on Obama’s watch rounded up 393,000 illegal immigrants last year and zero bankers.
NASA have no program today to send up astronauts even up to spacestation.
My guess is, IF USA want’s to go to the moon instead of Afganistan, that can be done.
The priorities is set by admin.
Let’s hope USA have a secret space program, or else someother have.
The crater on the back side of the moon was first photographed by Apollo 15 then again by Apollo 17 and the pencil shaped “craft” that was discovered indeed is interesting.
I followed the reports on YouTube by “retiredafb” (that’s his YouTube user name), who claims to be William Rutledge, supposed Apollo 20 CDR. The reports on Apollo 19 and 20 and videos are questionable. Still there may be SOME TRUTH there…???
For those who wish to explore what Luca Scantamburlo has to say, try this website:
http://www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/Apollo19CDR-interview.htm
In all fairness I shouldn’t comment without reading the book, but it is difficult to see how there could have been later, “covert” launches of the Saturn V, given the fact it had to be assembled and sent off from Cape Kennedy, and thousands or millions of people would have seen and heard it. Perhaps the author posits the LEM and other American components being transported to the USSR to be sent to the moon on a Russian booster, with a launch Americans obviously wouldn’t see?
I don’t think rockets are what is being discussed here. The covert space program would be using much more advanced technology. Rockets are crude and horribly inefficient.
The official apollo 15 photos where the crater in question is shown , does look like it has a large compressed oval or cigar shaped rock extending outwards from it.
NASA, POTENTIALLY, CARE MORE ABOUT THE MOON THAN PLANET EARTH!
Isn’t this a variation of that “Apollo 19 video” which is posted on the web? Though in that case, I don’ think there are claims of Soviet-USA cooperation.
Or for that matter the latest “Transformers” movie.
Yeah this is almost exactly like the transformers movie…which btw also includes some cosmic war and post-war detente parallels..