INTERSTELLAR TRAVEL RESEARCH BEING SPONSORED BY DARPA
In case you missed it, the boys at DARPA, according to the following article from the New York Times, are at it again, this time funding basic studies for interstellar travel by humans:
Offering Funds, U.S. Agency Dreams of Sending Humans to Stars
Now, something about this article mightily bothers me, and maybe it does you too. Normally, DARPA's Shelleyeque Frankensteinian projects run to the tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions, of increasingly devalued dollars, but here we're told that a study, which could last a full century, and which is to delve into the organizational, sociological, ethical, religious, and not to mention technological problems involved, is going to cost a mere half a million dollars, for a report that one can only imagine will resemble NASA's famous Brookings Institute report of the late 1950s and early 1960s.
There are a couple of lines that tip the hand of what's going on. Consider, first of all, this admission, which coming as it does in The New York Times is a rather curious admission:"People like Dr. Tziolas say the technology already exists or will soon exist to send instruments and perhaps even people to nearby stars, although a human flight could cost hundred of trillions of dollars." Well, we didn't need the New York Times to tell us that, for we are already capable of sending robotic probes beyond the solar system by means of conventional rockets, and indeed, have already done so.
So the revelation of technology here is not really a revelation, unless Dr. Tziolas has something else in mind. Well....possibly, for as anyone who's been following my own or other researchers knows, there are indications that some alternative technology exists. It's not yet Star Trek's "warp drive", but anyone watching the videos of STS 48 will be aware that something exists with some pretty stupendous performance characteristics.
Then there is the "apocalypse motivation", revealed by the lines "But there are plenty of reasons that humans will eventually summon the political will to make the trip, scientists say, if not for human restlessness that has taken us out of the caves and across the oceans, then to escape being wiped out when the killer asteroid appears or the Sun boils the oceans, which it will do in a couple of billion years." Well, we're right back to the Alternative Three scenario with that one, namely, for humanity to survive in the long term, it will have to do so by hightailing it off this planet sooner or later.
The rest of the article outlines various propulsion schemes, and DARPA's real goal in sponsoring such a study: the stimulation of private foundations and enterprise to do the basic conceptual groundwork. Dropping atoms bombs or pellets of deuterium fired by lasers doesn't seem to be much of a solution, since we're still dealing with variants of the Newtonian action-reaction system of chemical rockets.
It is when one recalls the words attributed to Ben Rich, former head of Lockheed's Skunk works, that we already have the technology to take ET home, that gives one pause. In that context, perhaps DARPA isn't really trying to sew the seeds for the acquisition of a new technology, but rather, sewing the seeds for its eventual public revelation. Perhaps, in other words, the technology already exists, and what is needed is the careful social engineering that will create the conditions for its acceptance in the world at large. Given DARPA's history, that wouldn't surprise me at all.
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In one of the episodes of UFO Files their was a boast that USA was sixty years ahead areonauticly and the show ended with a UFO like object flying of into the skies and that was in the late nineteen ninties. Then there is the work of Thomas Townseen Brown from the twenties to the mid sixties plus what you and Henry Stevens have both written about along side Igor Witkowsky about man made flying saucers of the Nazis. There is the white elephant recently retired the Space Shuttle and no replacement and the Soyuz disaster both our and Russia man programs for the moment dead in the water. We have to go back to Jules Verne and H.G.Wells lunar novels neither used a rocket in both their novels because they knew rockets were dead end technology even then. The technology that will take to the planets and the stars and beyond I think we have had for centuries is like the gun who would quess the relationship between bell making and gun making but there is if you can make the first you can make the second so the propulsion system that will get us off this planet and out of this solar system is already around it’s only not been recogniced as such except by the military so if it unvieled in the future it will be already well develop stay tune for the surprise.
… @ Denise … refreshing commentary — regardless of season, i always finish a hot soak with a cold plunge… 🙂
to quote the closing line of Joseph’s book, “Babylons’s Banksters”:
“It is high time to have done with them.”
my focus on Basiago’s DARPA experiences was basically to underscore Joseph’s seed topic in this thread. what makes Basiago and Webre interesting is that they are not supporting DARPA black ops — rather their stated goal is to out TPTB and put some of that technology to public use. it remains to be seen, whether their campaign will succeed or not. but something needs to be done.
… time will tell (pun intended) …
Right on the head of the nail.
Of course it exists.
How long?
Surprise….long time
The ‘secret’ is in EM fielding, which contains
the technology for just about everything,
AND
antigravitics (propulsion)
yes, already known.
Fooling the public costs LOTS of $$$$ as we send
things into space in a rather very old fashioned, even
primitive way, while we’ve had this for at least a few
decades and have already explored the entire solar
system with live eyes.
And no, I did NOT misspell ‘antigravity.’
Tim Fonseca
Tom: Your syntax is interesting: insidious design, alien jailers, quarantined species… Herbert’s Dune series also has its own interesting terminology with phrases like: Salusa Secundus (the Imperial Prison Planet) and the Sardaukar.
But why would our alien jailors want to snuff such an exquisite prison planet as Earth? Crime may not have any space-time limitations for such things as species malfeasance, etc. Many machines on Ix; many truant puppet species-criminals on Earth?
Then there’s the Darpa Pegasus chronovisor/time-jump project getting some press lately over in Exopolitics with Webre and Basagio. Soon ‘Minority Report’ reportage aka P. K. Dick spawning lawyers and paralegals doing time-jump litigation?
Too Machiavellian for you? 🙂
Another of my harangues. Sorry Joseph.
This is my response to Big Daddy Darpa and it’s phony baloney propaganda.
Are the rest of the intelligent life-forms in our galaxy as mean, cruel, vicious, and nasty as we are?
If so, are they just going to sit back and let jumped-up Earth apes run wild throughout the galaxy?
If you were an outer space alien would you want humans living next door to you?
I wouldn’t.
There is a science fiction story that turns all this upside down, and plays with the idea that the human race is the least cruel species in the galaxy. I doubt it.
My gut feeling is that the human race is a quarantined species, and that our alien jailers are interested in us only for kicks and sadistic amusement.
They play with us, and some of the world elite help the jailers and are rewarded by them.
They don’t want us to leave our solar system, which would explain away the secret space program idea, they don’t want us to have a public or a secret space program.
Darpa and company don’t want to tell us this truth, because either they are in cahoots with the aliens for exotic war toy technology to kill fellow humans, or because they think they can eventually defeat their alien jailers. Ha!
The rest of us, you and me, are part of the puppet theater.
It’s even possible that they created us, which would help explain why we are so self-destructive and just plain crazy.
Is a species that builds 20 to 30 thousand H-Bombs and has them ready to go off at a moments notice sane?
Human nature had to designed by an insane designer, which is why I think the Intelligent Design movement is both right and wrong.
Yes, there is design, but it is bad design. The proper term would be something like, “Insidious Design”
A great dramatic presenttion of this “kicks” idea, that we are just “kicks” for alien sadists is the 1960s Outer Limits episode, “Funs and Games”
When our jailers grow weary of us, they will wipe us out.
It looks to me like the wipe-out is not too far off.
Well, at least we produced Beethoven, Chopin, and Ravel. Not bad for a badly designed, demented, puppet species.
Look underground for the answer to where those lost trillions went.
I step off the platform covered with eggs, tomatos, and coconut cream pies.
Hi Tim,
I tend to agree with you for the most part, although I still think there’s hope for humanity-
but only if we look in the right direction, and we’re constantly being directed to look in the wrong direction-
it’s just a gut hunch from me (why did ancient Greeks pound on the floor for answers?) but you wrote “Look underground for the answer” and I think that may be the biggest clue-
we’re constantly being told to look into outer space when we should maybe looking under our feet- I’m anything but a scientist but my gut feeling tells me the hollow earth theory is very real and Jules Verne (among others) was an insider-
consider me to be crazy if you will, but although I haven’t yet completely ruled-out some sort of “cosmic” influence, I think our problems/controllers are under our feet-
and I think Admiral Byrd’s testimonies were anything but forgeries-
not to mention William Cooper’s 1965 testimony when he was in the navy
I’m sorry to burst your bubble LSM but William Cooper was proved many years ago to have lied through his teeth regarding his navy experiences. If you listen to the special edition, regarding Bill Cooper, of Don Ecker’s (ex publisher of UFO Magazine) Dark Matter’s Radio programme, you will understand quickly that Bill Cooper was some what of a showman, an inveterate liar and lunatic in possibly equal measures. He really was quite a piece of work. I’m quite amazed really that he didn’t get shot by the police earlier lol.
As regards Admiral Byrd’s diaries (if I think thats what you are talking about) … well the jury is still out on them but I they do read like a sort of 1930s pulpy science fiction story.
However there is a fascinating web page somewhere on the net (I shall track it down again if I can, if need be) that pretty much demolishes the whole Nazi Antarctic base thing completely. It would be strangely weird and exciting if there was a Nazi base down there at some time. It would make the world a more sort of science fiction-y kind of place … but this article just blows that totally out of the water with actual facts about what an expedition down there and a setting up of a base would actually have faced.
As for the later comments about Webre and Basiago. Come on. They’re both close to being fiendishly deluded or out and out lunatics. Basiago was talking about the Mars pictures with “Martians” having picnics and what not a few years ago (I should know since I was posting about his lunacy almost before he had started posting about things like that on his website) before going into the even madder territories of teleportation and child experimentation. Insanity all of it. Just stop for a minute, focus, and think what he is talking about. Just THINK. Its just totally crazy talk.
However, I do hold it totally plausible that some elements around the globe (probably not Nazis … just good old nasty people and elites) have technology we not being told about. Looking at Tesla and others were doing 100 years ago, I believe that to be totally plausible. But ignore people like Webre and Basiago. They are leading you down totally crazy alleyways where you will get lost and never see the light of day again. Look to places like Darpa but then branch out from there. There may be other corporations that are dealing with this kind of stuff outside of normal government institutions. Look to those companies that deal with Darpa and not Darpa itself and then you may just see a few clues as to what the powers that be may have, technology wise. But stop listening to people like Basiago (a lawyer by the way). That way lies madness.
@ Stig… Paul LaViollettes tomes are on my active bookshelf next to Joseph’s. we are already there (technology-wise) and likely have been for the last 30~40 years.
perhaps it is a matter of connecting a few dots…
• Joseph has prodigiously provided the Giza series, Nazi series, and others which show links between pre-cataclysmic Earth civilization and Mars…
• Ben Rich, Lockheed Skunk Works, director had admitted in his deathbed xonfession that ET visitors are real and the U.S. Military travel among stars.
http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2010/08/ufo-are-real-ben-rich-lockheed-skunk.html
• Andrew D Basiago, child participant, with his father, in DARPA time-travel research in ’60~’70’s, in recent seminars and Facebook comments, related details of his own CIA/DARPA Mars jump-room (teleportation) training classes with Maj (then Cpt) Ed Dames in the College of Siskiyous, Mt Shasta, CA, in 1980, when he was 19 years old. also attending the same class were: Regina E Dugan, a few years older, now Director of DARPA, and Barry Soetoro, also 19 years old, who later changed his name to Barack Obama and as President, appointed fellow-classmate, Regina as DARPA Director.
http://projectpegasus.net
http://www.projectmars.net/docs/research_papers/MARS-Strangers-in-a-Strange-and-Wonderful-Habitat-4-4-11.pdf
• (add your dots, here)…
Tesla vortal teleportation, developed by DARPA in the ’60’s and later jump-room technology (similar to an elevator ride), the point-to-point teleportation of people and freight are already well-developed, though classified, and used in instant transport between bases around the globe as well as between bases on Earth and Mars.
similar research by DARPA has likely been done and developed to enable mobile teleportation in space vehicles, resulting in FTL (faster-than-light) and/or hyperspace travel. this is referenced indirectly or covered up in recent story of DARPA hyper-transport vehicle “lost” after launch.
There was already in Paul La Violettes book about antigravity and propulsion about a guy named Podkletnov who has invented this fied that would make travel by lightspeed possible. Only thing needed is/was the propulsion to propel it toward Alpha Centauri or whatever place deemed proper.
Something else to consider.
The first nuclear power plant for settlements on Moon, Mars
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-08-nuclear-power-settlements-moon-mars.html
I noticed that “small,” less than a million dollars, award amount too. One can’t do much but pay a few scientists to write some papers with that kind of money.
As for apocalyptic reasons to go to the stars, “to escape being wiped out when the killer asteroid appears” is certainly no reason to leave the solar system.
Officially, no one has left Earth orbit, much less even been to the Moon, in 40 years. (Well 38 years, 260 days…give or take.) Why not? All that is/was necessary is/was to modify the engine of a space shuttle and to blast it out of Earth orbit toward the moon. I am sure it could make the trip, though not actually land there. Something taken to the Moon in that huge cargo bay could though. (Now THAT would be a REAL ‘space shuttle.’)
If I were afraid of an asteroid striking the Earth, my first high ground destination would be the Moon, if not just low Earth orbit. My second would be one of the other planets of the solar system, which are only millions of miles away instead of…TRILLIONS of miles away.
Then “or the Sun boils the oceans, which it will do in a couple of billion years” is about as ridiculous as it comes.
First: “The Sun is predicted to become a red giant in approximately five billion years” according to Wikipedia, so the math in the article is not even a good casual approximation.
Second: Five billion years ago the Earth didn’t even exist and a ‘mere’ two billion years ago was the Orosirian Period which is well before life-as-we-know-it existed on Earth; unless the figure of two billion years is supposed to psychologically manipulate fear into those astute enough to look at the terrestrial geologic record and dig up (No pun intended.) the Vredefort impact crater.
Even allowing for a prehistoric global civilization on Earth, this time frame is only in thousands of years, a few million on the outside, so using a postulated event billions of years in the future as a justification for anything in the present era is a total disconnect with reality and is ludicrous.
A hundred years from now? A hundred years ago Ford Model Ts were still on the road and the most advanced mode of transportation was bi-planes. Take into account the Law of Accelerating Returns and there is absolutely NO reason for such a project.
“The agenda ranges far beyond rocket technology to include such topics as legal, social and economic considerations of interstellar migration, philosophical and religious concerns…”
Notice here what the article is contrasting “rocket technology” with. To wit: “legal, social and economic considerations of interstellar migration, philosophical and religious concerns.” Not even a belch or a slip about any other actual technology. So this is obviously just another psychobabbular redirect.
As for technology other than rockets, what with the X-Weapon used on 9/11/01 to ‘poof’ WTCs 1& 2, it requires a stretch of the imagination…no, it STAGGERS the imagination…to think that a form of propulsion NOT based on rocketry does NOT exist.
In conclusion, I am of the opinion that you are correct, Dr. Farrell, when you say, “DARPA isn’t really trying to sew the seeds for the acquisition of a new technology, but rather, sewing the seeds for its eventual public revelation.”
On this I can find no disagreement. Well, I suppose that, in a couple billion years, the sun, which, according to Dr. Donald Brownlee, an astronomer at the University of Washington (Seattle), at twenty per cent brighter than nowadays, might indeed boil the earth’s oceans! By then, we’ll either be extinct as a species, or evolved into something we’d probably regard as pretty alien by our current standards! Or we might be fundementally much the same billions of years from now as we now are, if Michael Cremo’s thesis turns out to be correct. Still, in any age I’m fairly sure: ANY TECHNICAL CIVILIZATION, ANYWHERE IN THE UNIVERSE, WILL ALWAYS BE, FIRST AND FOREMOST, A CONCENTRICALLY EVOLVING MILITARY/INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX PLAYING THE ULTIMATE POWER GAME! WE ARE AT WAR, and always have been; it’s just the nature of the beast, so to speak; of who and what we are on earth, “KOBOL, ” or anywhere else might one find vestages of humanity! Just my opinion, of course, no better than anyone else’s, ha! ha!
This is a recruitment activity.
Look at Nick Cook’s (“The Hunt for Zero Point Guy”) documentary “The Billion Dollar Secret”, came out about the same time as the book.
If the US wants to sell things to the world, and yes there are things to sell, then the US dollar can’t be incredibly strong.