HAPPY HALLOWEEN?
Well, here in the ISA (Imperial States of Amerika), it's Halloween, and millions of kids (both children and adult) are out in force parading in disguises, knocking on doors and demanding "treats" or else one gets a "trick", i.e., a spell or threat. No, I'm not talking about those people knocking on your door and asking for candy, but rather, the people disguised as "businessmen" and calling themselves "financiers" and international bankers. And the candy they're demanding is more money. Sometimes the come dressed as Dummycrooks, and other times as Republithugs. Sometimes they come dressed as protestors in the Occupy movement, and sometimes as commentators espousing the virtues of self-reliant capitalism on the Faux News channel.
Now there is talk from US Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont), Representative Barney Frank (D-Taxachusetts), and Representative Ron Paul (R-Taxus), for ending the Fed or "restructuring" it to eliminate conflicts of interest, or even outright nationalization.
All of this I view as a mixed blessing. There is no doubt in my mind that much of Wall STreet is nothing but a casino (and believe me, I've worked in them so know a little bit about how they operate. Maybe that's giving a bad name to casinos though...I'd feel safer with my money in a casino than in Wall Street.) While I certainly agree with these politicians that the corruption in the Fed is rampant and epidemic, I am not sure turning over the bank to a group of Dummycrooks and Republithugs is such a good idea either. After all, these parties have shipped our nations jobs overseas in droves in so-called "free trade" agreements, which are but agreements for cheap labor, cartelization, and more corruption. And then, of course, there's ROn Paul, who wants a return to the gold standard, i.e., a return of power to the very banksters that control the bullion supplies.
But there is one good thing in all of this, and that is that people's attention all over the western world are focused on the whole philosophy of money creation and "the money power" in a way that it has seldom been, not even, I suspect, during the Great Depression. The problem is now a matter of open public debate that only a few years ago was relegated to the sidelines and a few "fringe" politicians - as they were characterized in the major media - like Ron Paul. Even some of the major names in high finance, like Rothschild and Soros, are themselves criticizing the current system. Whatever else may be said, the fact that so many people the world over are now focused on the issuance of money, and who has the real authority to do so, is a plus. Can we all say "Ithica Hours"?
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USSA
[United Soviet States of America]
“It is easier to brainwash a people that think
they are free,
than one that knows it is not.” [HAL838]
It took them 70 yrs to figure that out.
The is if they ship all the jobs overseas who is going to be left to buy their goods and services answer me that.
China has a minimum salary. Slave labor like you use in your foreign companies like Nike in Ethiopia etc is pretty much over here your tariff or protectionisms is just a lame admittance to the world that u can’t compete anymore… What balls to say that about china when u do the same and worse in many countries with ur own companies for ur own products u xported ur slavery remember ?
Typed from iPhone sorry for spelling
Exported slavery makes sense to me as a response to nusence labor.
I remember there was a period when business HAD to make huge investments in the plant or capital intensive structures. It was STUCK in one place so when labor strikes and demands the owners were FORCED to deal with the workers.
I guess in POST-MODERN times huge investments in a plant aren’t always necessary so when workers protest – the owners just shift to other locations. They play one region against another.
I think one weakness of the past American labor movement was that it usually involved only US workers and EXCLUDED certain people like Blacks for example. Also what might have been the long term success results of the labor movement if it took real consideration of the world’s workers. I guess that would have had the taint of some International workers party or Communisn. Americans in general are ardently against anything that has the feel of RED.
I read some where a Chinese tycoon dismantled an entire Steel plant piece by piece out in Eastern Europe. Relocated it to China. (I think it took about two years) Saved himself or the Chinese Government quite a bit of money.
Didn’t someone buy LONDON BRIDGE and ship it out, BRICK BY BRICK, to Arizona as some TOURIST TRAP?
Amazing!
Some Chinese business people are really on the ball! Not all of them but then again it doesn’t take many people to come up with a good idea. Just a few are needed to suggest it and Presto —Magic happens!
I forgot to emphasize Antoine’s comment = EXPORTING it’s slave labor.
The WEST may not be the one holding the WHIP in its hands but it certainly makes it easier or encourages others to do it’s DIRTY-WORK!!!!!
When the soviet republic crumbled many people missed the side government sponsored benefits that made life a little more bearable. (some still yearn for the earlier times ) In my social service days – I have crossed paths with many people in homeless shelters who have full time jobs. They were earning such low paying jobs they couldn’t afford to pay rent. Hooking up with five or six people to share a dingy room isn’t an easy thing to do if one is new at the game of survival. Americans are not usually good at solidarity like recently arrived immigrant conclaves. I have seen documentaries where worker’s have at least barracks-like living quarters (which is very abhorent to me, ugh!, but if there are no fences with barbed-wire around the work places) then at least that’s better than what we find in many places in the states. Living under a bridge is not conclusive to a much needed good night’s rest after working 8 or 10 hours at a job.)
Also in some sweat shops in the LAND OF LIBERTY — two people use one time card? So if the pay is say four dollars an hour or miminum (bogus face/timecards presented to UNCLE SAM) then the wage is really two an hour. You may question or doubt this but just ask around for your self if you don’t believe me. (twelve hour days are not uncommon. I used to see a bunch of chinese ladies hurrying down the sidewalk walking in the early morning close together because they were probably afraid of getting jumped or molested before the sun came up and then again at night this same bunch hurrying back home to cook their supper. I ADD – and supper probably wasn’t this micro-wave junk but good food. American women could learn a few things their mother’s forgot to tell them growing up. ——
If your a manaic with not much power or popularity and I give you military advice and a ton of weapons and ENABLE you to take over – Does that make me MORALLY worst than the manaic?”
Would you give a LOADED GUN to a child. (or someone morally retarded with an undeveloped sense of maturity/)
I remember a half-hour Alfred Hitchcock show when a 5yr old got his little fingers on a loaded gun and was out playing with his playmates. What suspence! You could almost feel the TRIGGER1
One more thing in favor of the Chinese. My father was a chief or head steward on merchant marine tankers while I was growing up. I once asked him as an adult “Who are the best Chiefs in the world? He snapped back – the Chinese! I thought that odd. Your would think the French or something like that but he then responded with this — The Chinese are the best cooks because they can make even RAT MEAT TASTE DELICIOUS!
I thought about this for a little while and it makes SENSE. (even under HARSH LIVING CONDITIONS it would be nice to have a good tasting meal once in a while.)
Before it was Government and Religion.
Now its Government and Business.
Same stink. Same ungodly mess.
0- It should close the Federal Reserve.
1- Create a central bank ran by the government, like China has.
2- Render illegal bribes (party contribution).
3- Force the Media to allow the each party member the same amount of media exposure in election time, in the same format. Only the message change. Candidates can only talk about themselves. Cannot refer or infer to anything anyone else (their opposition) did. No bad mouthing allowed.
4- Render illegal lobbying – If you want something done bad enough you can find the time to call your elected representative.
5-Put in place e-voting for everything. If you can do online banking you sure as hell can do e-voting. With smartphone everyone can vote instantly on stuff. (Personally I think letting people vote for anything is stupid but hey its your thing) This way people at least are really responsible.
6-Render illegal communication between the media and the government unless in election time. The government gives the news about the government, not the media. This way the government can control through a bland outlet the flow of information and avoid giving the politicians the chance to become little divas through soap shit. See point 3.
Oh, I have to stop, I just acknowledged my brain yelling out load that this will never happen. George Celentes for President!
You are calling for a state run central bank, something the United States is proud of Andrew Jackson for getting rid of.
You are calling for government control of the media (3- above).
You are in favor of e-voting which has a proven track record of being rigged.
Is this the way they do it in your country?
WARNING: FLAME THROWER ACTIVE.
Nope but guess what, China has a central bank, government run media and its working like a charm. I’m living in China. I know what’s going on, really, here. Do you?
No, you don’t.
You get whatever your Business Controlled Media (as opposed to Government Controlled Media – pardon my french) gives you. Which is mostly they’re bad, undemocratic yadiyadiya. You get your own Goebbel’s brainswash medicine.
Boy have you got to get out of your Banana Republic for a few years and smell the roses. It would take your breath away how America, and Canada for that matter, are rotting in comparison.
And for the record, Bambi, the only thing you can’t do in China is piss on the government publicly and watch porn online.
A renaissance might mean adopting a political model that actually works and comes from somewhere else, god forbid. You still think you’re the best in the world, you americans? Democracy, you deliver (as the bombs falls).
Your political system works for a city state. The moment you stop knowing the players personally corruption sets in and you get America and friends. It worked for the Greeks with a population of a few tens of thousands. Why in hell would you think it’s gonna work for hundreds of millions? Have you ever taken a course in sociology? You know something called responsibility dispersion?
Your system is killing you but you didn’t realized it yet. Its not just the Federal Reserve, its how business sleeps with government by paying for its reelection. Its how government sells itself to the people like a Hollywood flick paid for by the businesses.
You guys just don’t get it. Your problem is that you still think that your system is the best and hence everyone else is below consideration. You won’t even look at how things are done elsewhere. What arrogance.
The moment shit starts hitting the fan more, in the next month and years, people will start to think, hey, maybe we’re not the best ran house in here. Maybe we should look at how the successful people are doing it, like the Chinese. Hey, maybe we do suck.
But all you’ve got so far is racism. You the statistical you, don’t know squat about other countries. You have no idea how really life is done there. You still believe believe you’re the only one civilized. You’re the country that actually implemented Slavery. You’re the country that actually is at war almost all the time since inception. You’re the country … ah my god, the list can go on. Ever wonder why the rest of the world hates you? You think its because you’re better? You know, you can’t ever answer that question you’re so brainwashed by your business controlled media.
You were great once.
And since the bankers won several decades ago, you suck.
Wake up.
very good Antoine,
Hubris is the downfall of amerika and her philosophy of exceptionalism.
Goebbels is always a good name to throw around. Alerts people!
Banana republic but like you stated —- What american would recognize it? Does a fish see water if it’s not polluted?
Yes, I would take a deep breath if I could leave this country to live say in Ireland, the Canary Islands, so forth. Your right about that expartiate (spelt wrong)
I took many Sociology courses and most were interesting especially the ones at night for they were not taught by professional teachers but the CAN DO if you get my drift. One even skipped the class because he went over to saudi araba to inspect a brand new city being built. I think he mentioned it only took about 4 months to build a sports stadium. I guess when you got slave labor those buggers really work hard because of the predicament they discovered they were in by buying the recruiter’s tall stories.
Another professional teacher this time skipped two of my sociology classes because he had to oversee Alcohol Management Systems in some province in Russia. Kind of big time, maybe? They sometimes like to brag? He was director of the program of studies I was taking at the time. Some kind of PHD in prison systems which might not be saying much using him as a reference. Depends on what side one is on. ( I do know one recommendation he gave was to ration sugar to quell the alcohol abuse it was so bad there. I guess it would slow it down a bit for a while? Alkies would find some other way?)
There’s more if your interested!
It’s killing us here. Your right about that. Like Celine’s book —Death on the Installment Plan!
Howard Zinn once said in an Interview a while back, rest his soul, “ONE -Americans don’t know history or they cant remember too far back in the past. (words to that effect) TWO —-Americans are so wrapped up in a media blanket that it’s like they are in a coma. (I’m not so sure with the internet avialable —- things are changing and the minority is growing. Both of us are examples of that– but you get to see the real-mcCoy or at least in one part of the world! I imagine you must hear SOME STORIES about AFRICA that WE don’t hear unless we do some very serious DIGGING ON THE NET!)
What I like the most is that you not only informed us, you expressed deep feelings. FEELINGS reveal much! I gather your not homesick. I don’t blame you there if you are telling the truth and I believe your are.
You slightly mentioned some horror stories about China. Some cities in China look like some places a hundred years ago in parts of England. All those MILLS.
In Fall River, Mass which was once called the LUNCH BOX city long before my time a huge siren would blow at 5AM six days a week to wake up the living-dead industrial workers. Now Fall River my home town is much different. It’s still a bogus place to live and I moved out.
Most of the Mills burned down (arson) Many were reconditioned into housing for the elderly. Now isn’t that a kind thing. The Chinese aren’t the only ones who respect their elders. There are pockets in america where the ELDERS are not shipped off to a wharehouse and drugged into oblivion.
I still don’t believe China in Goebbel’s manner of speaking a WORKER’S PARADISE but I mean no disrespect by this last statement.
Hi Paul, I reread myself this morning. Apologies. While I believe America’s smugness does blind its citizen, I wrote my post in a way that was offensive. I sucked. Sorry.
Antoine, my experiences of China when i was there last year confirm a lot of your views.
Yes China isn’t perfect, but hey their building programmes, modernisation and wealth distrobution are making ‘the free world’ look like a medieval estate.
What was interesting was the degree to which the locals would pass criticism and praise of ‘the system’. I am not saying it is perfect-they do have problems, but what i saw was very impressive.
The Chinese are a wonderfully passionate and creative people who are receiving the same western biased crap that every other non white/predatory capitalist has received from the media monster elites.
Give it up western world, we aren’t the good guys anymore….where we ever?
By the way, I visited some of the top schools in Beijing and Shanghai-very very good.
NO OFFENSE TAKEN ANTOINE.
I guess that means I don’t accept your apology because what did you do except express your views openly? (Should I be angry at that?) If I should then there is something screwy/smelly in Denmark! I much rather have a person state their position then be a snake and behind my back whisper (buzz, buzz, buzz)….! I know you must of met a few of those kind of people before —- there called Politicians, ha, ha!
Your just a Passionate kind of guy. I love what William James, an early American Philosopher and Psychologist once said about debate, “make it a “LIVE OPTION.” How many times have we been in discussions or debates or even arguments that really don’t amount to a HILL OF MILLS nor do they really interest us. Wasting time and energy on things that DON’T REALLY MATTER. (I do it quite often when me and my wife start NIT-Picking on each other. Analytical minded people are great bone-pickers of contention, They chew on those ‘BONES” and make sure not one tiny little piece of meat is left on the surface. Afterwards, we then go for the MARROW but that isn’t often the kindest way of going about things using BONE-CRUSHING LOGIC to win an argument that is MOOT — TO BEGIN WITH for if we are both INTELLIGENT and we are— we know the SCORE ALREADY!
I have my own theory about this kind of behavior. Rather then get down to what’s really BUGGING us we often times enough talk about everything else to distract us from a REAL PROBLEM.
American’s are great for using the Media in that fashion and the SPIDER’S at the TOP know this and take full advantage of IT!
So again, no apologies are necessary FOR BEING YOURSELF!
COMPREHENDO SENIOR?
Before it was Government and Religion.
Now its Government and Business.
Same stink. Same ungodly mess.
0- It should close the Federal Reserve.
1- Create a central bank ran by the government, like China has.
2- Render illegal bribes (party contribution).
3- Force the Media to allow the each party member the same amount of media exposure in election time, in the same format. Only the message change. Candidates can only talk about themselves. Cannot refer or infer to anything anyone else (their opposition) did. No bad mouthing allowed.
4- Render illegal lobbying – If you want something done bad enough you can find the time to call your elected representative.
5-Put in place e-voting for everything. If you can do online banking you sure as hell can do e-voting. With smartphone everyone can vote instantly on stuff. (Personally I think letting people vote for anything is stupid but hey its your thing) This way people at least are really responsible.
6-Render illegal communication between the media and the government unless in election time. The government gives the news about the government, not the media. This way the government can control through a bland outlet the flow of information and avoid giving the politicians the chance to become little divas through soap shit. See point 3.
Oh, I have to stop, I just acknowledged my brain yelling out load that this will never happen. George Celentes for President!
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• Citizen Quasar says:
November 1, 2011 at 8:17 am
You are calling for a state run central bank, something the United States is proud of Andrew Jackson for getting rid of.
You are calling for government control of the media (3- above).
You are in favor of e-voting which has a proven track record of being rigged.
Is this the way they do it in your country?
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o Antoine says:
November 1, 2011 at 9:14 am
WARNING: FLAME THROWER ACTIVE.
Nope but guess what, China has a central bank, government run media and its working like a charm. I’m living in China. I cknow what’s going on, really, here. Do you?
No, you don’t.
You get whatever your Business Controlled Media (as opposed to Government Controlled Media – pardon my french) gives you. Which is mostly they’re bad, undemocratic yadiyadiya. You get your own Goebbel’s brainswash medicine.
Boy have you got to get out of your Banana Republic for a few years and smell the roses. It would take your breath away how America, and Canada for that matter, are rotting in comparison.
And for the record, Bambi, the only thing you can’t do in China is piss on the government publicly and watch porn online.
A renaissance might mean adopting a political model that actually works and comes from somewhere else, god forbid. You still think you’re the best in the world, you americans? Democracy, you deliver (as the bombs falls).
Your political system works for a city state. The moment you stop knowing the players personally corruption sets in and you get America and friends. It worked for the Greeks with a population of a few tens of thousands. Why in hell would you think it’s gonna work for hundreds of millions? Have you ever taken a course in sociology? You know something called responsibility dispersion?
Your system is killing you but you didn’t realized it yet. Its not just the Federal Reserve, its how business sleeps with government by paying for its reelection. Its how government sells itself to the people like a Hollywood flick paid for by the businesses.
You guys just don’t get it. Your problem is that you still think that your system is the best and hence everyone else is below consideration. You won’t even look at how things are done elsewhere. What arrogance.
The moment shit starts hitting the fan more, in the next month and years, people will start to think, hey, maybe we’re not the best ran house in here. Maybe we should look at how the successful people are doing it, like the Chinese. Hey, maybe we do suck.
But all you’ve got so far is racism. You the statistical you, don’t know squat about other countries. You have no idea how really life is done there. You still believe believe you’re the only one civilized. You’re the country that actually implemented Slavery. You’re the country that actually is at war almost all the time since inception. You’re the country … ah my god, the list can go on. Ever wonder why the rest of the world hates you? You think its because you’re better? You know, you can’t ever answer that question you’re so brainwashed by your business controlled media.
You were great once.
And since the bankers won several decades ago, you suck.
Wake up.
Since you ”know what’s going on, really, here” then please explain what is going on with people by the thousands burning police stations that I often hear about.
Also please send me some pictures of that building with the suicide nets around it to keep employees from jumping off. Is that Apple Chinese style?
And speaking of Chinese workers, perhaps you can instill some pride in the average Chinese worker to inspire them to make something that actually works once or twice instead of breaking the first time it is used. OIC: You are a Wal-Mart executive. YOU are the problem.
As for your admonition “Boy have you got to get out of your Banana Republic for a few years and smell the roses,” you have no idea where I have been. I have been around this planet a couple of times and I have spent considerable time in a number of different countries. However, I have never been to China. Have you ever been to anywhere but China (and in the airplane over the ocean)?
The Amerikan government, the one we all so hate, is nothing but a corporation. If somebody blew Washington D.C. off the map with a thermonuclear device, I would dance in the street.
However, the Republic (NOT democracy) that America originally was is now is vacant and dormant as everyone has voluntarily joined the corporation. While I would prefer a confederacy with NO central government, in the Republic the individual states were superior to the central government.
I do agree that centralized government is only good for city states and “The moment you stop knowing the players personally corruption sets in and you get America and friends.” This is what Patrick Henry and the Anti-Federalists said and its outcome was the Bill of Rights.
China does NOT have a government in which its citizens “Know(ing) all the players personally.” Or do you? As a matter of fact, China is so far advanced compared to America that China gunned down many of its own citizens in Tiananmen Square a full twenty years before such things began to occur in America.
In closing, while you are clarifying the news reports I often see about Chinese attacking and destroying police stations and the military coming in to restore order (another way in which China is more advanced than America), please take a moment and explain the reports of organs and body parts being harvested from political prisoners for the bodies of Party officials. Are YOU a member of the Communist Party? Does being a Wal-Mart executive come with a complimentary membership in the (international) Communist Party? Do you have suicide nets around your company building?
People who live in glass houses should NOT throw stones. I do agree that most Americans are stupid. People are stupid all over the Earth. Just look at you.
Crap. My clipboard wasn’t clear. Here is my post:
Since you ”know what’s going on, really, here” then please explain what is going on with people by the thousands burning police stations that I often hear about.
Also please send me some pictures of that building with the suicide nets around it to keep employees from jumping off. Is that Apple Chinese style?
And speaking of Chinese workers, perhaps you can instill some pride in the average Chinese worker to inspire them to make something that actually works once or twice instead of breaking the first time it is used. OIC: You are a Wal-Mart executive. YOU are the problem.
As for your admonition “Boy have you got to get out of your Banana Republic for a few years and smell the roses,” you have no idea where I have been. I have been around this planet a couple of times and I have spent considerable time in a number of different countries. However, I have never been to China. Have you ever been to anywhere but China (and in the airplane over the ocean)?
The Amerikan government, the one we all so hate, is nothing but a corporation. If somebody blew Washington D.C. off the map with a thermonuclear device, I would dance in the street.
However, the Republic (NOT democracy) that America originally was is now is vacant and dormant as everyone has voluntarily joined the corporation. While I would prefer a confederacy with NO central government, in the Republic the individual states were superior to the central government.
I do agree that centralized government is only good for city states and “The moment you stop knowing the players personally corruption sets in and you get America and friends.” This is what Patrick Henry and the Anti-Federalists said and its outcome was the Bill of Rights.
China does NOT have a government in which its citizens “Know(ing) all the players personally.” Or do you? As a matter of fact, China is so far advanced compared to America that China gunned down many of its own citizens in Tiananmen Square a full twenty years before such things began to occur in America.
In closing, while you are clarifying the news reports I often see about Chinese attacking and destroying police stations and the military coming in to restore order (another way in which China is more advanced than America), please take a moment and explain the reports of organs and body parts being harvested from political prisoners for the bodies of Party officials. Are YOU a member of the Communist Party? Does being a Wal-Mart executive come with a complimentary membership in the (international) Communist Party? Do you have suicide nets around your company building?
People who live in glass houses should NOT throw stones. I do agree that most Americans are stupid. People are stupid all over the Earth. Just look at you.
I should have re-read what I posted much closer.
Instead HILL OF MILLS I meant to write — HILL OF BEANS to signify a non-issue or another expression of a similar vein is —THE PRICE OF RICE IN CHINA.
This HILL business also cues me into early American EXCEPTIONALISM. Didn’t the Mayflower PILGRIMS want a City on a HILL or is that some kind of St. Augustine thing carried over through the AGES.
CQ – You left out one. Make it #7. Execute corrupt CEO’s…. after a trial, of course. LOL
NOTICE !!
My first post above, the one that is enumerated, is NOT my words; NOT the first part anyway. The enumerated part is Antoine’s comment from earlier that I was responding to.
I copied it to my Windows (Ugh!) clipboard and when I copied my response to that to my clipboard, for some reason that was still there. I should have re-read my comment after I pasted it into this blog before I clicked “Post Comment.” My mistake.
My re-post below that is my actual comment.
Have a look at this article and tell us what’s going on in China these days if you would.
http://www.thedailybell.com/3178/China-Runs-Out-of-Money
Since when did people in glass houses NOT THROW stones? ( I have yet in my lucky experience had one thrown by someone who did not live in one) And again — There is something MIRACULOUS about the word STONE?
Quazar FLIPS the other side of the COIN. I like it even if it sometimes nails me to the cross. I find it uncomfortable but no-body killed me yet — so it makes me get off my doff and learn and practice the intellectual ART OF FENCING even more. In my better mind I am happy I sometimes have oppositon for it keeps me on my tippy-toes. I don’t mean the kind of people so nervous they are constantly tip-toe(ing) on egg-shells afraid of their own shadow — not being able to accomplish a single dam thing they set out to do I mean the people who do us GOOD when we don’t even know it.
Quazar — Your mention of SUICIDE NETS is golden! If a job aint high up on some construction site then WHAT THE HELL DO THEY NEED THEM FOR? (say goodbye cruel world —take a bite of that delicious strawberry (how sweet it is) and just flush the toilet! PROBLEMS OVER!)
I remember in the TV series LAUGH-IN where they use to present this award weekly to the dumbest — it was called the ‘FICKLED FINGER OF FATE award. I hope I am not so old that no-one on this web site can recall this ‘GAG?”
I am not going to get on CHINA’s case because I am certain we all know about this. Why waste time asserting the oblivious. What kind of respectable card carrying CONSPIRACIST WOULDN’T! I guess the DUMB CLUCK kind but I don’t see anyone that fits that zoological description here. ( maybe some rare bird who has difficulties with its migratory-brain because he drank the water might stumble on to the Giza Death Star web site by freak accident but their out just as fast but I don’t know in my case for I am still a bit confused, ha, ha!>
Before I buy any more of Farrell’s Books I am going to EXAMINE the book THE COSMIC WAR much more closely than I did before.
I fancy my self as a kind of closet ONTOLOGIST? IS THIS WHERE ALL STARTED? Or should I say, “Is this where it all ENDED. Again – Is this where it began ANEW?
I don’t think it will stunt me much to go over it one more time.
One defintion of RELIGION that Carl Jung once mentioned in his Alchemy writings is “We go back and look at what we once might have discarded or carelessly THROW AWAY or sqwanded/
For me I was thinking of YOUTH but I know Jung a more of a kind of Alchemical signification or should I say SOLVENT!
Have a nice day you’ll.
P.S.
I don’t know exactly what he means or meant by that statement for I am not an ALCHEMIST although at one time i took two quarters trying to be a chemical technician because I heard the money was good and there are plenty of openings in the field. ( it was so abstract and nose to the grinding wheel that I understood why so many opennings I quit. Besides MONEY is not a very good “ONLY”factor in deciding a career. I quit the Course! This was back in 1978.
Nightly Headlines in a Newspaper –
Oct. 31,2011 Police use bulldozers to break up Occupy Richmond Group.
I say,
“WHAT do you get when you cross a homeless HOVERVILLE with the OWS MOVEMENT?”
= a MAD BULL-DOZZZZZZZZZZZZZZER, of course!
“And then, of course, there’s Ron Paul, who wants a return to the gold standard, i.e., a return of power to the very banksters that control the bullion supplies.”
I posed some questions to the Daily Bell a few days ago that are relevant to the above statement.
It appears that the DB endorses the use of gold and silver in some way in its relation to a currency of some sort that would meet the requirements of having a beneficial monetary system. Can someone please explain how that would work?
DB: We endorses a private, free market, money system that is entirely competitive. Within this private money system we believe free-banking would emerge along with a private gold and silver standard. In other words, people would insist that banks that issue “notes” to them (what you think of as money) are backed by a stated amount of gold and silver. This would reduce price inflation and remove the current mercantilist system of central banking that is responsible for ruinous booms and busts.
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My concern of using gold and silver in any way is two-fold. First, aren’t the power-elite in control of most of those reserves? Wouldn’t we be falling further into their hands?
DB: No. If the elites tried to leverage their gold and silver the way they now leverage central banking super money, they would be issuing it into the marketplace in such quantities that the price would likely go down. They could never mount the kinds of operations (depredations) they do now…
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Secondly, gold and silver mining and refining operations are destructive to our environment. Can’t we find a way of eliminating those practices?
DB: The environment will recover.
Here’s an article that rips away the curtain and exposes the true intent of those who constantly bash gold as commodity money. It would be interesting to ask if gold is so worthless, why is it that all the central banks hold so much of it and why it was outlawed to own in the form of coins or bars in this country for so many years? Why do the banking elites fear us having access and use to this natural metal?
http://www.thedailybell.com/3179/Gold-Is-Nothing-But-a-Metaphor-for-Fear
Perhaps we could let them the banksters play with tungsten and they could pretend it was bullion….
Blaming cheap labor or FTA’s for America’s jobs going overseas might need a rethink. David Mallpas, in a Oct 09 WSJ article –
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703298004574458923186941870.html
sites the depreciating dollar as the primary culprit. Basically, American companies are going overseas in an effort to find a stable currency, not cheap labor. Money is supposed to be a store of value, and if Shadowstats.com is to be believed, the value of the dollar has halved in the last 10 years and will half again in a little over the next five years. Who would start a business in America when in 20 years it’s worth only a quarter of its value?
Good point Otter…which brings us back to the central problem: the Federal reserve.
Wal-Mart has been depending on cheap (slave) labor in China for decades. To pretend that Wal-Mart and other businesses are NOT seeking cheap labor is ridiculous.
While it is true that a business seeks a stable currency, putting this fact into an either-or comparison with a business seeking cheap (slave) labor is a blatant attempt to justify slavery, nothing less.
Hypothetically I say,
In 2001 a hundred lbs. of lead cost 100 US dollars.
In 2011 fifty lbs of lead cost 100 US dollars.
put another way:
In 2001 a hundred lbs. of lead cost 100 US dollars.
In 2011 a hundred lbs of lead cost 200 US dollars
Today — the average Social Security Check is 1000 dollars and buys about 500 dollars in 2001 priced goods.
In the year 2021 the average Social Security Check probably could be 2000 dollars and buys about 250 dollars 2001 priced goods.
Who’s going to revolt getting 2 G’s a mouth? The DOLLARS add up but the prices don’t make CENTS!
Otter,
You just reminded me of long term business planning. I almost forgot the wisdom of that in this Age of Immediate Contingency Planning. Good to be reminded!
It makes sound business sense not taking any RISKS if it can be avoided. (You got your BILLION the way things are = why chance CHANGE unless the greed gets to your head?)
TO ME, It still has the scent of a good excuse to screw us US workers.
What really is the true meaning of PROFIT? (the GOOD OF ALL— say for example, healthy kids growing up with full medical coverage. Now that makes CENTS in whatever long run you want to imagine!)
Maybe what we need is some wizard to invent a two dollar printing press that can CREATE dollars and debit cards so fine nobody would NEVER be able to tell the difference. (MONKEY WRENCH IT ALL!) Then WE COULD ALL own our own printing press out in the back room somewhere.
On second thought,
Maybe my idea isn’t such a good idea? It would destroy the currency medium creating HAVOIC and we would have to go back to using CLAM-SHELLS!
Otter – keep on keeping me informed and aware, thanks!
Now if a CERTAIN SOMEONE who is a man on the street in China could HONESTLY SHARE a few of his perspectives WE WOULD ALL be better informed. What do you say Antoine — maybe a thousand lines or two?
Here’s a humorous tibit that I think might ‘fit’ the occasion?
We all heard the expression —‘Better to be pissed-OFF than pissed ON!
Well I say, “We’re better OFF well informed then turned OFF because we are told OFF!
Otter:
Who says money is supposed to be stable? Michelle Bachman?
Just think of stable money in the same way you’d think of having stable rules for a game of poker. Makes it real hard to play when someone keeps changing the rules during the game.
Or think of it this way. An oz of gold (twenty dollars) back in 1920 could buy you a lot of groceries or a couple of really good suits. What does your FRN twenty buy today? What does an oz of gold buy today.
And that friend Jay is why it’s in everyone’s interest except the money creators to have stable money.
A few things Vinnie:
A poker game is very close to a perfectly closed system (depending on buy in rules), whereas money is not.
A stable currency can easily mean that many, in say Mexico, can’t eat or educate their kids, or pay for basic helpful medicine.
How much would an Intel i7 CPU cost in 1920? And should it be the same price in 2011? (You can provide your own examples that destroy your point.) Or would that CPU be worth anything in 1920 by your estimation, another angle which refutes your idea.
You’re smarter than Representative Bachmann.
Do you honestly believe that worthless pieces of paper issued by central banks are actually money and that they in fact are the cause of wealth creation? Do you really? Come on now Jay. You’re smarter than Ms Bachmann to be taken in by such foolishness. What next, will you be telling us that social credit works?
Look this over to see what money is and the difference between it and real productive wealth. I’m sure after looking this over you’ll begin to understand the differences and the complexities that get overlooked in the discussion. I’d just love to see you satisfied with something someone says. Maybe it might put a smile on your icon.
http://www.thedailybell.com/3176/Joel-F-Wade-Where-Do-Things-Come-From
Vinnie:
I don’t believe in the solidity of any currency, dollars, yuan, yen, etc.
But Vinnie, that’s not the point you made, you said a 2011 dollar should be worth a 1920 dollar. That’s preposterous given the invention of all sorts of things in the since then. Just try buying a Boeing 747 in 1920 for say 10 million 1920 dollars.
Fine with me if you want to move beyond falsely precious metals, none appear to have any real value, and other false monies and false debts.
But what you’re flirting with is direct price controls.
Vinnie:
I don’t believe in the solidity of any currency, dollars, yuan, yen, etc.
Nor do I believe in the intrinsic value of any currency based on nothing but the printing press or computer generated digits. What I was pointing out is that an oz of gold in 1920 bought a lot of “stuff”. That same oz of gold today still buys a lot of “stuff”, while your FRN with 20 dollars on it buys you less and less. That was my point. Sorry if I didn’t state it more clearly for you.
Vinnie,
Okay but that’s a different point. And for that matter in 1990 gold was what 230 dollars an ounce?
You’d still have a really hard time getting an iPod for tens of millions in gold in 1920.
Notice too that average income (an oversimplification which overlooks the extraordinary corruption of ibanking over the last 30 years) has increased a bit since 1920.
You say Jay.
Vinnie,
Okay but that’s a different point. And for that matter in 1990 gold was what 230 dollars an ounce?
It’s a story of value, something that can’t be created out of thin air. The more FRN’s you have floating around, the less purchasing power they have. Doesn’t matter if it’s 20, 250, 1500 an oz. The point is simply that an oz of gold buys you more goods and services, real stuff that we want and consider to be wealth, than your ever depreciating pieces of paper. Without the US military to back it up as the worlds reserve fiat currency, there’s nothing to stop the so called dollar from being as worthless as the zimbauwe dollar.
Let’s leave ipods out of the discussion as they really don’t have much to do with the intrinsic value of the monetary unit.
Vinnie,
You need to stop thinking that I support the Federal Reserve system, I’ve never said that.
Yes in fact people have reported making kilos of “precious” metals out of “thin air”. (No, I don’t know how and wouldn’t say if I did nor would I post here.)
And yes, iPods are very germane, just imagine trying to buy a computer of that power, ease of use, and storage capacity, in say 1970 for ten million dollars in gold.
Jay,
I don’t think I said you supported the fed, but you miss the point that gold is a story of value, not that it could have bought you an ipod in 1960. You could have had gold in 1870 and not have bought a telephone or track shoes with them. Don’t mix the two things. Gold prevents the creation of fiat money and acts as a check and a break on govt spending and borrowing money that isn’t there. That’s the point, no more no less.
But thanks for keeping on top of things.
Vinnie:
No gold does not prevent fial monies, peroid, you didn’t read my point. You missed the point about the creation, that’s making, of precious metals.
Who cares about track shoes in 1870, now what Keely was doing in 1890, that’s a bit…
And get real, an iPod or even basic amp tube would have been a really big deal in 1870 even for tens of millions in gold.
So yes a the creation of things like a Boeing 747 allows for that which you complain about.
Jay,
Gold is a check on fiat money whether or not you choose to believe or understand it. I’m missing your point about ipods and the other things that have nothing to do with this one simple fact and have no desire to pursue that subject with you.
Anatole France once said to the effect that no matter how many believe otherwise, a foolish thing is still a foolish thing. There’s nothing more to be said or that I can add.
See you on the flip side.
Sounds like it’s something best kept to yourself then.
Vinnie,
I’ll skip the iPod, Boeing 747 point, but the other one you keep ignoring is even more importatant.
Since gold can be made, gold is not a check on fiat currency, period. (Nota bene: I did not write “mined” or “refined”).
Please explain exactly how gold is made and made from what?
Vinnie,
As I already wrote I would not share that information if I had it nor would I post here generally if I did. (See above comment: November 3, 2011 at 2:37 pm).
Nor will I give you the sourcing for this information. You have enough pointers and you can find it and do it yourself. There are many reasons for taking this position some obvious, some not.
Many posts don’t go thru.
I’am trick or treating in my TCC outfit, a member of The Transnational Capitalist Class. It is a ruling class because it controls the levers of an emergent transnational state apparatus and global decision making. This class has no borders, and is composed of technocratic, media, corporate, banking, social and political elites of the world.
The ruling class is the first class to be transnationized. The middle class is targeted for elimination. Their goal is not to lose their wealth and power to a tranational middle class, but rather to extinguish the notion of a middle class, and transnationalize a lower, uneducated, labor oriented class, through which they will secure ultimate wealth and power.
I find that most people have a romantic and somewhat askew view of money. Money is merely an instrument used to represent labor and craft. It IS NOT the labor and craft itsself. One could live without it in a more simple society. Barter works well in such a society with a good mix of skills and necessities.
Having collected ancient coins for many years, I am aware that there was a time before the creation of coins, in about the sixth century BC, that people indeed lived without coinage/currency. Man really only requires a few things to survive which could be acquired through trade of labor/craft. Many informed people are now exploring barter in advance of an expected world-wide currency collapse. Even Craigslist has a barter section.
I thus feel the method of “saving our money system” is mis-directed. One should be more concerned with personal survival after the inevitable world-wide currency collapse.
“And then, of course, there’s Ron Paul, who wants a return to the gold standard, i.e., a return of power to the very banksters that control the bullion supplies.”
right on, Dr. Farrell- but try to convince Ron Paul supporters of this concept- they will look at you with eyes like (as one says in German) a fogged-over windshield-
“Even some of the major names in high finance, like Rothschild and Soros, are themselves criticizing the current system.”
of course they are, because the Euro, for example, was not created to succeed but to FAIL, simply to create a demand for a one-world currency- those who created the problem to begin with offer the solution- THEIR solution, of course, on their terms-
one can’t get any more Hegelian problem>reaction>solution than this-
Familiar with Ithaca not Ithica.
At any rate. The dollar is part of the full spectrum dominance doctrine. Can’t see it, other than within that framework. Granted, it could assume another outfit; however, the puppet strings would still be in place. The theater of Dummycrooks & Republithugs is still a Playhouse 90 production. Sometimes, I have to admit, it is interesting watching this theater play out, as if it weren’t scripted.
Sure would like to get my hands on some of the coming attraction scripts, waiting in the wings of: 2012, 2013, 2014, 20ect., ect.
CORRECTION:
This sentence:
“The vast majority of people think that there is a certain amount of money in the world and that it just moves around, the rich having stolen it from or somehow tricked it out of the hands of the poor,”
in paragraph two should read:
The vast majority of people think that there is a certain amount of WEALTH in the world and that it just moves around, the rich having stolen it from or somehow tricked it out of the hands of the poor.
The majority of people all over the world not only misunderstand the utility principle of money but they haven’t a clue as to what money is, just like people say they are in favor of rights but no one can define what a right is.
The vast majority of people think that there is a certain amount of money in the world and that it just moves around, the rich having stolen it from or somehow tricked it out of the hands of the poor. The phrase “make money” has completely lost its meaning.
Principles of free market trade (capitalism, an unknown ideal) and its production of inexpensive material abundance are not understood either, “free trade” now being a euphemism for socialism. This is affected by TPTB saying that the United States must compete in a global economy whereas a global economy has been operating for centuries and millennia (all those ocean going ships carrying goods from time immemorial) making this a lie.
National tariffs are the mechanism that should be employed at national borders to prevent slave labor in places like China from supplanting local quality made products, the ONLY real source of national wealth; the Smoot-Hawley Act not withstanding.
If and when the state (government) is totally removed from involvement with money so that free market forces determine what is circulated as money then poverty will be eliminated. Until then, economies will falter and poverty will continue to exist. But don’t forget the tariffs.
In the meantime, I predict that “people’s attention all over the western world are focused on the whole philosophy of money creation and “the money power”” will result in nothing but more poverty producing socialism, more tyranny, and less freedom and prosperity.
http://www.ithacahours.org/
My college experience and personal work experience is in Finance/Econ…I have read many, many monetary theory books…
I dont disagree with any of the criticisms of Hard Money theories…
I recently purchased SACRED ECONOMICS and look forward to finding a unique solution to this vexing question, but if not hard money, then what???
It seems if we want transparent “systems” then they must be made up of transparent individuals…that doesnt fit neatly into our private lives now does it?
Whatever we need, it must SCALE from bottom to top…
Transparent systems must be made up of transparent people? The question becomes not only where to find such transparent people, but who among them, or us has the knowledge and integrity to run a centrally planned economy? It seems that this is to hope for something that never exists, or by our nature could ever exist. Wonderful in theory, but existing in our imaginations.
Since all values are subjective judgments of each one of us individually, how is it possible for anyone to be able to know and plan what we need better than each of us participating in the operation of the invisible hand that in reality works far better than the chaos that always results from central planning? Why should we trust anyone or any group of men with the kind of power that would be needed to even attempt such a grand folly to begin with and that historically has failed wherever its been tried?
http://mises.org/resources.aspx?Id=7184a3af-b7ff-4465-aab5-68a3c773b48b
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuZLMtZ1rz8
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