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…NOT JUST COLLATERAL DAMAGE

I am as appalled about the murder of sixteen Afghanis allegedly by an American soldier… I am almost equally apalled at our media’s treatment of the victims, nameless, faceless, just more collateral damage in a silly senseless war… well I found this, and I could not agree more with its sentiments…

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 ...NOT JUST COLLATERAL DAMAGE Joseph P. Farrell (2251 Posts)

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".

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18 Responses to …NOT JUST COLLATERAL DAMAGE

  1. I have just come across this very interesting interview between John Rappaport and Dr Peter Breggin about this incident in Afghanistan and the drugging of American troops:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cddhX9k3poo

    Very interesting and very disturbing that the US Army is giving the troops about 180 days worth of physchiactric drugs and allowing them to self medicate. Well worth a look.

  2. I am in the “Manchurian Candidate” end of this subject. Given that PTSD is a major part of certain forms of mind control, one factor in the “constant warfare” system of world politics is the use of such warfare to sort personality types and look for those who fit into certain categories – sociopathic killers, blind obedience robots, people easily broken emotionally and then “rebuilt” (“the Marine Corps Builds men…” and war provides plenty of spare parts….), and so on.

    Covert operatives are often recruited from the military once they have proven certain characteristics. Given all the drugs and “vaccines” tested on troops without full disclosure, sleep deprivation and physically taxing duties, who knows what they are being programmed for?

    This could have been a test or a program gone wrong just as easily as it could be someone who just went nuts all on his own. Combat does strange things to people, and the kind of warfare and weapons power which exist today is unimaginable and horrific beyond belief. The days of honor in combat are long gone – it is impersonal, wholesale slaughter on a grand scale.

  3. Hello Joe,

    I seem to be in sync with some of your Articles? I just read a one of Zygmunt Bauman’s recent books out called — “Colateral Damage.” The front cover shows some guy hunched up sleeping in a metal shopping cart.

    The book isn’t just about Globalization’s victims. He also talks about the Miltary as well. Something I know you may be interested? Maybe Generals do read your articles (they should) but never post for reasons you know why?

    Anyway, this book clarifies much of the mystery surrounding that term and the present lack of ethical awareness!

    Joe, I must confess I didn’t buy your Yahweh book like I said I was but bought that book instead. I will try and get to it this coming month but I cant swear to it for my wife has been nagging me to buy some nutriential suppliements and there expensive. (but much cheaper than conventional medicines. For example she once had an absess next to a molar tooth. I said, OH, where am I going to find the money for a visit to a dentist because you don’t fool around with absesses because they are connected to mainstream blood lines. She came to the rescue for she once worked in a small independent health-store for two yrs long ago at Huntinning Beach, Cal. We just went and bought this WELL-NESS formular which I first thought was snake-oil and what do you know — the absess disappeared in less than 12 hours.

    So I may be buying some decent remedies instead of books next month for I have been feeling a little low-energy level. I usually am not like that. Naga pushed some kind of button in me and I am enjoying the temporary mania!
    I cant wait to feel the mania I might experience read about this two-face god? I am buying it for now but I hope I am not too let down by the mathematics like was mention in the summary. (I hate that but to each her/his own)

    Maybe genius-generals do read your material and pay heed instead of some puffed-up dingbats looking at themselves in the mirror. i remember reading that once Noam Chomsky got this threatening note underneath his car’s front-windshield window one day. He said he quickly visited a few people (probably a few friends in high places) and the threat disappeared!

    It must be nice to have friends in high places?

  4. Just like the reporting(mainstream) about Lybia & Syria – Lies, Damned Lies, and more lies.
    Welcome to Amerika.

    Some say it was revenge killing by the Americans( a squad of killers), and this one got-out onto the worldwide stage. Most go accounted for & under the radar.

  5. When has our military ever put out a halfway decent lie. As to the Afghans take this was not a one man job it is something that must be looked into they have alot of experence in these matters. As to Richard Bale being a Manchurian Canididate it is something that has cross my mind too. But in the end Bales should have been left to the Afghans to triay him for his crimes he this this on the soil and there is where he must face criminal behavour and pay the prive for his evil deeds.

    • The soldier did what he was trained to do, just to the wrong people. War causes mental illness. We, as a country, and other countries with us, as members of the UN are committing a far worse crime for even being in Afghanistan and waging war. If we were not there in the first place none of the “collateral damage” or the ‘”war crimes” would occur at all. We don’t need war. Corporations want war, so there we are.

  6. Here’s my take on what is happening in not only Azerbaijan, but
    more importantly in Kazakhstan; first though, my take on recent and very related tragic events in Afghanistan. Please forgive the length of this post.

    American soldiers massacre 16 Afghan people including women and children (British; SAS; MI6; NATO involvement?). Purpose: Move NATO/American troops out of Afghanistan into the Fergana Valley. President Karzai – an oil man – of Afghanistan has ordered American/NATO troops back to their bases. That is the first step.

    Unocal was merged with Chevron. The world’s intelligence agencies are funded by big oil money and drugs.

    ОБ УГРОЗЕ ОККУПАЦИИ СРЕДНЕЙ АЗИИ ВОЙСКАМИ НАТО
    http://www.panarin.com/comment/16344/

    Here’s the summary; my comments in brackets:

    According to this Russian source Panarin, British MI6 is preparing a covert plan [if this assessment is correct it includes the cold blooded murder of several Afghanistan families; see what kind of ruthlessness we are dealing with?] to use NATO troops withdrawal from Afghanistan as a pretext to occupy former Soviet Asian Republics in Fergana Valley in the spring of 2013. Tony Blair [I aways wondered where Tony Blair slipped off to?] is named as the primary coordinator for the operation. Currently, Tony Blair is serving as a consultant to Kazakhstan [read this: Kazakhstan Positioned as Locomotive of Eurasian Integration; this is why Tony Blair is consulting] president Nazarbaev. [these guys are slipping -and are slippery – so watch their every move like Russia is watching very closely]

    MI6 is doing its best to stop Euro-Asian integration (MI6 is not very enthusiastic about Russia dominating this integration) process that is well underway. Code name for the operation is “Fergana Spring”. Russia and Britain are not on friendly terms. Remember this Russian spy in Britain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko ? And the MI6 spy Garreth Williams found in his apartment folded into a large red gym bag on property apparently leased by a Russian group.

    There will eventually be a final showdown between Russia and Britain; this is inevitable. It was the Russians who discovered oil is abiotic, not dinosaur remains and grass drilling the deepest known oil wells – the western oil cartels do not like this position one bit.

    And remember, if people are abreast of what is going on here, Azerbaijan will probably join the Eurasian Integration led by Russia

    To obtain concessions and looting of resources, violence works every time. Anyone who objects is a ‘terrorist'; and according to their corrupted laws we really are ‘terrorists.’

    Anyone feel like torching a few copies of the Koran?

    The taking of and the monopolization of resources requires
    death and destruction. What country is next on the terrorist list?

    Fergana Valley…Operation Fergana Spring…repeat after me: Arab Spring…Arab Spring…Arab Spring….it’s a Resource Spring.

  7. To my mind the use of the term ‘collateral damage’ is merely a diabolical fading of the truly horrendous significance of what is meant, the murder of innocents. Another prime example of dehumanizing the victims.

    • That the “collateral damage” is actually the target (?)
      AND
      that’s why our ‘smart weapons’ are so really stupid (?)
      Of course !

  8. Personally I am not surprised that the mainstream turdia has decided to report this incident in this manner. When you add faces and names, then the victims become people, people just like you and me, people with dreams, people with families and to acknowledge that the victims are people just brings home that much more about the horrendous callousness of this crime. Much easier to report them as just 16 victims. Much easier on our collective consciences.

    The US army is facing the same problems they encountered in Vietnam. Back then it was realized that soldiers who did more than 3 tours became irreparably damaged, to use the statement of an American fighting in the civil war they ‘could look upon the body of a man and feel no more than if they were looking at a dead dog’. Having been in the army and knowing many Australian veterans of Vietnam I could see that in them. The situation is getting worse now because many ‘allied’ soldiers are doing 7, 8 or 9 tours. After seeing so much for so long a time then the sight of death and killing becomes easy on the mind. This is part of the tragedy of the ‘empire’s’ war.

    We know that also many troops have been given drugs such as amnesiacs to dull the experience of the men. So what Romanmel has highlighted might well be the case. Nothing the empire does to its troops no longer surprises me, one of the main reasons why I left the army in the first place. It must be remembered that one of the main victims of these senseless wars are the young men and women who fight them. They go off to war in their idealistic youth and come back jaded with the terrible knowledge that what they have been through was for nothing. That the war they fought was wrong and in the current case of the latest rounds of the empire’s war, Afghanistan and Iraq, that war was based on a lie. Believe me, deep down many of them know this.

    Which makes me wonder about what is currently happening within the ranks of the US army now. Most of the donations from service men and women are going to Ron Paul. The Secdef Leon Panetta had to order soldiers to lay aside their arms do that he could address them. Don’t they trust them anymore? Are the ‘legions’ disaffected?

    Of course the greatest victims are those who, just like these 16 Afghani’s, remain nameless and faceless to the rest of the world. Whose names will never grace any memorials. Who will be only remembered by those whose hearts are broken by their tragic demise. Those innocents who pay the price for the reckless greed of imperial war criminals like the Bush’s and the Obama’s. Ave et vale poor souls.

  9. It is disgusting and we need to get out of there! But there will always be the why we went in in the first place! I know part of it and that is even more treacherous! Oil minerals? How about restoring the opium trade shut down by the Taliban. Anybody ever heard of this?

    Another recent thing I got wind of due to my unemployment JP Morgan/ Chase are wanting to hire on 100K veterans! For what? Like they aren’t or haven’t already served these large corporate interests? Or is it some other reason closer to home? Worried about something need some more protection from negative change in public opinion? Time will tell!

  10. Thanks so much for linking that article. I’ve been amazed at the news coverage of this story. If a young Taliban soldier massacred American children in their beds, would we be coo-cooing over the “poor soldier” who is “really such a good guy” and never mentioning the dead children by name? Of course not.

    Remember Ron Paul’s stunningly truthful speech from 2009, “Imagine An Occupied America”:

    http://antiwar.com/paul/

    For America’s occupied subjects, this is reality.

  11. Don’t be so quick to judge in this case. If you were intent in staying in Afghanistan and the public presure was to get out, what would be better than to encourage attacks upon our troops as a catalyst for continued involvement. What better way to accomplish this than to have a Manchurian Candidate kill local children. The killer has said he doesn’t recall the actual act of killing. Sound familiar? Think John Hinkley, Sirhan Sirhan, etc.