UPDATE: THE ALLEGED MALAYSIA AIR FLIGHT 370 DEBRIS, AND EMERGING ...
Exactly a week ago I blogged about the story of the airplane debris being found on the French island of Reunion, east of Madagascar, and about the fact that if this debris did eventually prove to be that from the unfortunate flight, then my "poof" theory of the flight's disappearance just went "poof". But much more importantly, this would mean that the actual mechanism of its demise would have to be given by authorities. Even more importantly than these two considerations, the families involved might have some measure of closure for suffering the loss of their loved ones.
Many people mistake what I meant when I advanced the "poof" theory, i.e., that the flight simply disappeared via some extraordinary means, and that either the powers that be suspected this, and were keeping it quiet, or they had no idea at all what happened to it(a problem given all the ways airplanes can be monitored and tracked). I advanced the theory for the sake of argument, and because, at the time, and in the absence of debris and with so many ofuscated details coming out of so many nations, it seemed a hypothesis that at least had to remain on the table. With the appearance of alleged debris, the probabilities of the improbable "poof" theory decline even more, though I would aver they're not entirely gone.
Now, however, there is yet more information coming out about that debris, and about the reaction to it. First we heard from the usual "experts" who have stated that the debris is indeed from Flight 370(this article shared by Mr. V.T.):
Differing messages on 777 part frustrate Flight 370 families
You'll note, that Malaysia, as of this article, was saying the debris was from flight 370, and France, Australia, and the USA, were not yet certain:
"From our first observation, the color tone and all maintenance records that we have, we know," Malaysian Transport Minister Liow Tiong Lai said. "Our records show that it's the same as MH370."
He added that there are "many other technical details that I do not have to reveal" that confirm the part is from Flight 370.
Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak announced early Thursday that the piece of debris, known as a flaperon, came from the doomed aircraft, but authorities in France, the U.S. and Australia have stopped short of full confirmation.
I find this curious, since it seems to repeat the pattern we saw in evidence in the first two weeks after the flight's still mysterious disappearance, in that depending on which national source one turned to, the story was slightly different, a fact which led to my own high octane speculations with the "extraordinary disappearance theory."
The families, of course, are frustrated by the reemergence of the story, and the continued pattern of mixed messages:
Many Flight 370 families said they were fed up with the mixed messages.
"Why the hell do you have one confirm and one not?" said Sara Weeks, the sister of New Zealander Paul Weeks, who was on board. "Why not wait and get everybody on the same page so the families don't need to go through this turmoil?"
And of course, the sudden appearance of alleged debris has once again raised the real issue: what happened to flight 370, and why:
It is not known why Flight 370 — less than an hour into its journey — turned back from its original flight path and headed in an opposite direction before turning again and flying south over the Indian Ocean for hours.
The story, of course, has run in other venues in much the same fashion(this version supplied by Mr. S.D.):
Indian Ocean wreckage is from missing airliner MH370, confirms Malaysian PM
Most importantly, several regular readers of this website have sent the following article's reportage of the Malaysian government's conclusion from Australia:
MH370 search: Plane debris is from missing plane
In the Australian article, one notes again the pattern of mixed signals, and now a new element:
Analysts are saying a close look at the wing part could indicate what kind of stress the plane was under as it made impact. But it won’t fully solve the mystery of why the plane disappeared, nor will it help pinpoint where the plane crashed.
Australian aviation expert Neil Hansford said the flaperon snapping off gave pointers on how the jet entered the water.
“What it does show is that the aircraft has gone into the water in a controlled-type crash and as the engines have hit the water, they’ve sheared off and this part is straight behind one of the engines,” he told AFP.
“There should be at least one other flaperon from the other wing (floating around).”
Gerry Soejatman, a Jakarta-based aviation consultant, said proof the flaperon came from MH370 was a “huge step”.
“People want all the answers, but look, let’s be real. We must be glad that we found something at all. Now we know roughly where it might have crashed,” he said.
“This answers a lot of questions actually. It eliminates other theories, conspiracy theories. If the black box is found later on, it is likely we could get more answers.” (Emphasis added)
You'll note the reference that the discovery of debris, according to this expert, eliminates "conspiracy theories," but I would respectfully demur from this view and suggest that it does no such thing. The bottom line here is that with the remote control technology available, and with hacking techniques being as sophisticated as they now are, those theories are still on the table, whether one wishes them to be or not. Debris can be manufactured and planted, or, real debris can be recovered, and then salted. As one commenter observed to me, the "modeling of drift" in the Indian Ocean by computers seems to be a kind of prophecy after the fact; one can model anything to make it fit a story.
So the real question is, what is going on here. Well, many people have speculated that the debris may have been salted to bring closure to the story. But I have my suspicions there as well, because if anything, the story - and the theories - are now given an even greater impetus. And my critique of the various "ordinary" conspiracy theories remains now what it was last year when i proposed we may be looking at something extraordinary that everyone wants to spin and shuffle out of sight as quickly as possible, namely, that if there was some plot by the Rothschilds (the semi-conductor secrets theory), or the Russians, or the USA-Israeli Diego Garcia theory, or the theory that aired briefly on FOX that it was secretly flown to Iran for use in a terrorist plot, or even the MH 370-MH 17 flight substitution shoot-down theory, were in play, the other geopolitical actors would surely have commented or pointed fingers of accusation at the suspected alleged perpetrators. It was the absence of such stories that caught my attention, and, with the discovery of alleged debris and the lack of a clear agreed-upon consensus about the event even now, that raises my suspicions. But regardless of which theory, or even lack thereof, that one might subscribe to, the appearance of the debris and whatever story is finally agreed upon, is not going to shut down speculation.
It is going to magnify it.
Which brings me to my high octane speculation of the day: what if the debris was salted, not in order to bring closure to the story, but quite the reverse, was done to bring the story and its inconsistencies and mysteries back into view? On this view, someone, somewhere, does not want us to forget flight 370 and its unfortunate victims. On this view, someone doesn't want closure, for in a certain sense, after a year, there was, for most of the world if not for the families of the victims, closure, as the world moved on, and people went about their business and living their lives. By finding alleged debris, the story is not closed; it is reopened. And now, like it or not, there will have to be a concensus on what happened, and whether the debris is, or is not, from flight 370. If it is, the narrative will still have to be finalized. If not, again, the narrative will still have to be finalized. And given the repeated pattern of obfuscation between the involved nations, the pattern is getting more interesting, for now France is involved in creating that narrative.
Interessant, non? (Apologies to our French readers, as I do not have an accent for French characters).
See you on the flip side...
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I just finished watching “Ancient Aliens”, Season 7 episode “Vanishings” where they discuss the vanishing of the Mayans, the Anasazi, Brown Mountain, & Flight 370. This has been going on for thousands of years and has an alien connection.
This episode follows immediately with, “The Alien Agenda”, and explains possible reason why.
But like any information that is presented on a mainstream platform – its the framing that’s highly suspect, if not downright twisted 180 degrees.
Other than a time or two during season 1, notice the one hypothesis they don’t ever mention for the Great Pyramid’s suspected purpose… I’ll give you a hint, check the address bar.
In my opinion, the researchers on the show used to seem more genuinely into/invested in the topics they discussed, they speculated more often, and looked to be enjoying themselves. Now it’s as if they are forced to stay on script and really don’t look like they’re having too much fun. The older more mainstream researchers seemed to have distanced themselves as well. David Wilcock is the best example of this, he even looks like a mess these days. I still watch the show, but I watch for what they don’t say.
Good thinking Doc,the authorities cannot admit a huge aircraft could disappear without a trace, this would imply the western governments(ie: military intel) are not all knowing and can even bungle something as in your face as the disappearance of a scheduled commercial flight. Is this the case of intelligence using the cover of a commercial airline to penetrate a high security area and gather intel(traces of Korean airline 007). Is that why flight MH17 was flown over a hot warzone with anti aircraft tripple A and sam missles known to be in use(tripple A and flak cannons can reach 7000 meters. Have the civilian populations of the world become so stupid that they’ll believe whatever they are told or is it something else. Have we all become so dishonest in our lives that we like the lie’s and the baloney as it justifies our own. Has making other people miserable to support our happiness become part of the happiness itself. The rich are no longer satisfied with being rich, they must have the poor and middle class downtrodden,defeated so they can enjoy their good life more,more contrast between them and us.
Malaysia Air 17 was on a normal route.
There was nothing new and different about flying over the war in eastern Ukraine.
Actually Lost that is not at all true; the flight was diverted over 20 km southward from the standard commercial air corridor into the disputed territory. There are Tweets from a Spanish ATC operating from Kiev whistle-blowing on exactly this immediately after the crash, along with the Russian data released later.
So it is pretty obvious that MH 17 was a deliberate false-flag set-up, especially since no one in the West dare release even a cooked-up report about what really happened.
b:
16 miles is not some huge diversion.
Korea Air 007 was something like 300 miles off course when shot down.
Don’t really think the 16 miles would matter too much do a Mig 27 doing the shooting down over Ukraine.
Well you are certainly welcome to your opinion. But as I said, the Spanish air traffic controller in Kiev thought it was urgent/outrageous enough to risk his career to Tweet about it.
But what does he know?
b:
It’s not a matter of opinion that 16 is much less than 300, nor that 16 miles is insignificant for a Mig 27 flying at 1000 miles per hour to cover.
I agree with Joe in that we will just have to wait and see WHY this is being brought back into the limelight. This was obviously planted and maybe it’s nothing more than a ploy by the local French township to attract attention as someone suggested. I can’t see any discernible reason why this would be resuscitated.
Everyone seems to have differing viewpoints about how things shook out here and I am one who fully agrees that this plane was hijacked and hidden from view at US military base Diego Garcia.
My speculation runs different from most in that I believe the MH17 (same plane, same S/N except for last character which can be altered) that was obviously shot down in Ukraine by national fighter jets that deploy the 30mm holes rampant in the fuselage (and other compelling evidence) was actually the same (MH370) plane that went missing. Many of the bodies at the scene were reported as decayed and drained of blood. They had already been dead. Pristine passports that were “recovered” were invalid and obviously planted not unlike the twin towers…reminiscent of another careless false flag effort. And who was the first to point fingers without an investigation having taken place? Hmmm….the same country that hijacked this plane perhaps.
Beyond that, the MH17 that was shot down wasn’t the same plane that is utilized on that flight schedule as the window pattern was not the same instead, it matched that of the MH370. Photo-shopped pictures show the change from the original pictures. Shoddy cover-up work. Beyond that we know about the fabricated Ukraine video that was created days before the event. This was a rush job by the CIA. Poor craftsmanship. But alas, no one really notices.
No one is paid to notice?
My ‘take’ on the recent debris is that it was planted on the beach after barnacles were grown on it in a LAB TANK somewhere.
Nevertheless, as Joseph asks, why pop-up some debris now, after the media frenzy has died away? My most-probable scenario has to do with ‘The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission’ (KLWCT), also known as the ‘Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal’:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuala_Lumpur_War_Crimes_Commission
“In November 2011, the tribunal purportedly exercised universal jurisdiction to try in absentia former US President George W. Bush and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, convicting both for crimes against peace because of what the tribunal concluded was the unlawful invasion of Iraq.
In May 2012 after hearing testimony for a week from victims of torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, the tribunal unanimously convicted in absentia former President Bush, former Vice President Dick Cheney, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, former Deputy Assistant Attorneys General John Yoo and Jay Bybee, former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, and former counselors David Addington and William Haynes II of conspiracy to commit war crimes, specifically torture. The tribunal referred their findings to the chief prosecutor at the International Court of Justice in the Hague.
In November 2013, the tribunal convicted State of Israel guilty of genocide of the Palestinian people and convicted former Israeli general Amos Yaron for crimes against humanity and genocide for his involvement in the Sabra and Shatila massacre.”
Now, you have some heavy neocons and zionists really p-o’ed at Malaysia. And, these are the kind of people that demand ‘payback’…
Two Malaysian Airlines 777s later, a shadowy figure walks up to the Malaysian Prime Minister, Najib Razak, and asks “Had enough? Then, announce that the piece of debris came from the doomed aircraft. That will close the case and take the heat off of us. We’ll arrange for the tribunal verdict to be quietly buried.”
Plausible scenario…
Shades of the 9/11 pristine passport on top of a burning & smoking heap. Or, Presto! Look! It’s a jet engine! Parked right there!
Just-In-Time Evidence! Now, that’s corporate efficiency at work; for whoever has a heap of money to burn.
“It’s jet engine! Parked right there.”
One way to read that is that planes didn’t hit the WTC towers–and large pieces of engines were found in NYC.
I realize there are problems with a large jet plane hitting the building in Arlington.
You got it! Lost.
They were hologram images that flew right through the wall w/o resistance. Many scholars have addressed this in detail. 9/11 was accomplished with very advance/secret technologies.
However, the cover-up was a keystone cop job at best. Yet when you have a controlled absolute shameless & privatized corporate media, that’s what you get.
A pristine passport to Absurdistan.
And in regards to privatization; another example, the healthcare industry. The Max Keiser Report throws back the private/secret curtain on privatized healthcare today’s edition.
The first half focuses in on healthcare.
http://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/311923-episode-max-keiser-794/
Don’t buy it.
And the claims of holograms don’t add up, simply because they’d have to work perfectly for each camera that captured the second plane hitting the WTC. And and there’d be problems making the sound correct, then there’d have to be some invisible plane shaped solid that left a plane outline on the face of the towers–this plane outline was notably absent from the Pentagon wall before it crumbled.
Claims that planes didn’t hit WTC are a big weakness in Judy Wood’s book.
Medical care doesn’t necessarily equal health, but I suspect that’s not news to you.
Doesn’t really matter in the science of how it was done; the fact is it was an inside job. The dust was the immediately blown-off the so-called PATRIOT ACT; the two dissenting senators were sent letters of persuasion, to correct their points of view.
And, in the U.S. it’s not healthcare; it’s insurance care.
RB,
You be missing my point.
I want the tech, not claims.
That means I want it demonstrated.
I’ve already seen small quantities of metal turn into powder. So Wood pointing to Hutchinson makes sense.
Most people, for good reasons, wouldn’t dare repeat the Reich experiment.
As for Keely, I read that rumor long before the events of that Sept. day.
I agree that no planes hit the towers.
I’d say Judy Woods pointed out a very logical fallacy.
Planes do not float through thick steel beams.
However, Rebekah Roth, a fight attendant for many years, has also discounted the whole “planes hit the towers” story, as she takes you step by step through the silly stories we were told. See http://www.methodicalillusion.com/
I bought the book, as it was a “novel” idea in order to try and get people who would otherwise not question 911 events to read the book and gradually be led into what Rebekah had figured out from her years of flying.
Except the World Trade towers had large open floors, only blocked by outer walls and a central tower. This is very different construction than say the Empire State building.
So miss the central tower, and all sorts of parts could easily continue through the space and out the other side.
Then there’s the problem that hundreds of thousands of people witnessed the second plane hitting the towers.
Luckily you had that Israeli camera crew who just happened to be nearby to film the first one. What a coincidence!
/sarc
The film crew you’re thinking of was French, and happened to get a tiny bit of footage of the first plane hitting the tower.
You’ll noted I said second plane, and by the time the second plane hit the second tower, thousands of cameras were aimed at the WTC towers.
DaphenO,
I’m of the same mind when it comes to those “planes”.
Perhaps it was some kind of hologram technology?
In explaining how 9/11 was an inside job; I’m reminded of the film Duck Soup, where Groucho Marx says something like/Why, even a five year-old could explain it. Groucho then turns to an aide/Quick! Go out and find us a five year-old.
RB:
Please point to the hologram tech that can do this and fool thousands of cameras and tens of thousands of pairs of eyes, while also hiding something solid hitting the towers?
Judy Wood sure points to tech that can make steel crumble. And there are rumors about John Keely in the late 19th century, not noted by Wood as best I know, and there’s a dangerous Wilhelm Reich experiment that resulted in crumbling stone over the course of weeks, or months.
And as best as I know, no five year old has said “I saw something different that day in New York”.
Sure.
Just get me clearance.
And don’t fall for the State Secrets; proprietary secrets; etc., etc.
Hint: Just google – Jim Fetzer Holograms.
Lost,
It’s actually a four-year old child
http://www.marx-brothers.org/info/quotes.html
[scroll down 1/2 way – it’s all good]
Robert B,
You be missing my point.
I want the tech, not claims.
That means I want it demonstrated.
I’ve already seen small quantities of metal turn into powder. So Wood pointing to Hutchinson makes sense.
Most people, for good reasons, wouldn’t dare repeat the Reich experiment.
As for Keely, I read that rumor long before the events of that Sept. day.
Then you need a platform where information is free and not controlled.
It must be clear to you that today the full spectrum of activities that compose a free speech, a free press, & freedom of assembly cannot be realized w/o internet access. A “free-press” means more than ” you are free to write your message’ – it requires access to the full range of technologies, press. writings, etc., that is accessible to the public through the internet[for example].
The W3C[the worldwide consortium, as a standards making body has capitulated to DRM[digital rights management]. And this doesn’t include the vast information that has been classified.
You simply cannot dismiss the role of Diego Garcia in this. In fact, it is central to the incident, both figuratively and literally.
People, look at a map of the Indian Ocean. Reunion is at the west, Malaysia to the east, and Diego Garcia right in the middle. The US and UK know full well what happened, because they tracked this plane the whole way, may even have intercepted it, perhaps more than that.
I don’t think the flaperon was salted as you have other bits of plastic from the cabin outfitting also washing up, and also well aged by the sea. Get out another map and look at the currents surrounding the Maldives, Diego Garcia and Reunion. They move west-southwest from the Maldive and DG to Reunion.
The Maldives islanders saw this jet fly overhead heading south, a woman passenger on another flight saw it in the water in that area and was told she was ga-ga; this eyewitness evidence has been ignored by all investigating this incident. And who took the lead? Australia, loyal Five Eyes lackey, which spent 100 million AUD on a fruitless wild goose chase of a search everywhere but where the other Five Eyes partners knew it ended up.
This is so much bad theatre with real lives. More psychopathic manipulation of world events for obscure agendas. And who exactly loves doing that, prey tell?
Q.E.D.
And as for all the drawn-out hemming and hawing over the ID of the flaperon: Just how many other missing B-777s are there at the bottom of the Indian Ocean we don’t know about? This whole incident has jumped the shark and now is officially clown theatre.
Again:
All of Malaysia Air 370 doesn’t have to have gone “poof” for the plane too have gone poof.
Much of the World Trade Towers basically went poof, but a couple of hundred feet (out of 1400 each) remained.
Going poof doesn’t necessarily mean the entire plane disappeared into some alt reality.
If the elemental bonds holding the aluminum and plastic body pieces together were quickly broken, that’s still a version of “poof”–even if the wings remain intact.
Thanks Dr. Farrell, very high quality analysis as usual. Here are a few puzzle pieces to add to the research into what happened to MH 370.
67% of the passengers on board were from China, the anger by the Chinese relatives about how the investigation has been carried out is enormous. With that amount of passengers from a single country as big as China, you would expect the Chinese government to officially put pressure on Malaysia and to have a big stake at how the investigation proceeds and with a lot of media coverage about this.
Yet, the only sign of something to that nature was that a Chinese vice foreign minister was sent there to demand more data from the Malaysian authorities about what made them conclude the MH 370 had gone missing. This either a very thin truth seeking effort by China – a powerful nation like China has in deed much more capacity to deploy in order to dig up the truth, or there is a media campaign going on to cover up how the Chinese government has acted so far in regards to the investigation, or both. What can be said is that official pressure put on the Malaysian government by China appears to be weak, so weak that the truth about what happened to MH 370 remains non-accessible to the public. The next question is why. But this “weak” engagement by the Chinese authorities, is a “red flag”. A lot of questions are left unanswered by the authorities and that suggests the authorities engage in a cover up.
I predict that the plane part that was just discovered, was planted and that no more debris will be found. The next question is whether it was planted by those who took control of MH 370 or by those who know who took control of MH 370.
BINGO!!!
Of course by those who know who took control…..
Since when are we considering regular media reliable source of info?
Would I trust Malaysian authorities??? Of course not… or any authority when it comes to matters of off-world shanghaiing… 🙁
This is obvious action to pacify populus and regain trust in ability to manage transportation. (NOT)
Acceptable answers to mysterious events, everything by the book please — calm down everything is under control!!! (NOT)
Respectfully
MDC
Is some good Samaritan sending a message to the PTB MH370 is not and will not be forgotten. The truth is out there and will in the end be revealed and when it is heads will roll. Just wondering who’s holding a gun to the head of the Malaysian government to say this part of the missing plane.
On another site, the theory is that the flap is a plant since all the barnacles on it are intact. Recall if you have watched the ocean shoreline and how the wave action scours back and forth constantly. Also, how many suitcases could survive “floating” on the ocean surface for months and thousands of miles without the contents getting soaked and diving to the bottom in short order?
Dr. F may engage in high octane speculation at times, but its just as believable as the MSM babble!
Still finding it hard to believe that the plane could have traveled so far off of it’s registered flight path and not be tracked down. And I don’t mean ‘by now’, I mean the entire deviation of the flight should have been easily tracked. Its a head scratcher for sure.
On a side note and by uncanny coincidence, my family has befriended a young man from Reunion Island in the last few years. In fact his family are the ruling clan and his father has been the chief of the indigenous peoples of the island for decades. His mother (god rest here soul) was an affluent Parisian socialite. My friend told me that the whole island is buzzing with the already proven news (in their minds) that the part is from MH370. Someone also found a suitcase washed up on shore not far from the plane debris.
He described relief that the more recent news from his island; volcano erupting and 4 shark attacks in recent memory were being offset by the miraculous finds. They are anticipating tourism to ramp up again and bring their economy back up.
Is there something uncomfortable feeling here? We have a small island nation long time ruled by France and one who has seen their traditional ways of life become very dependent on a Western kind of economy and it’s been in the dumps for years now.
Assuming that France is involved in shaping the narrative now as Dr Farrell described and if the debris was salted and placed then we’re talking about deliberate action and that indicates Reunion Island was ‘chosen’. With a strong French influence on the island, their economy reeling and the Island Chief having been married to the daughter of a French aristocrat… We’re talking about the ability to exercise large measures of control over the flow of information coming from this place. Probable insurance that local police authorities will be compliant and helpful to French investigators. The locals take cues from the Chief of the Island and would ostensibly respect anything he speaks on this subject and as an official conduit between them and French authorities back in Europe.
And in return the Islanders will be allowed to market a new brand of vacation; MH370 treasure hunting on their beautiful beaches. It’s already happening and as I mentioned previously the locals are ecstatic about the news not being volcano’s or sharks attacks. And this last point is the snare in which they’ve been caught up in to help promote the ‘notion’ that indeed MH370 made it all the way there.
Based on this analysis I would like to put it out there that this is the perfect place if one wanted to briefly resurrect the tragedy only to let it die again and drift off (no pun intended) into a tale of island folklore. And for decades people will travel to Reunion with a lottery ticket gleam in their eye that they might be the one to be exploring the beautiful tropical beaches and find undisputed evidence that MH370 was really there. Akin to traveling to Scotland in hopes of finding Nessie.
In a way this story’s continued Get Smart, “Would you believe?” rapid fire obfuscations is symbolic not of “our times” but is quite fitting; like the way you know a particle’s location or its velocity. Never both. The universe is based upon deception/secret knowledge. This pattern, on of mankind’s innate expertise arenas, is threaded into the whole/hole structure of the universe; where observation is the principal requisite of phenomena.
The “alien” possible presence/absence in this incident of “poof” is also in sync with the ongoing alien species invasion on Earth. It is an “ecological fitting”/alien species can fit in an do a job and perhaps they have always done this, colonizing new environments, adopting new living habits, and developing relationships w/new neighbors.
Aliens are rapidly changing from part of the problem to part of the solution?