GOOGLE’S AI KILL SWITCH
One of my favorite television series is Person of Interest, which has - to say the least - a very contemporary story line. In it, the inventor of a massive AI datamining and surveillance operation, Harold Finch, has created this program for post-9/11 monitoring of potential terrorist activities. Mr. Finch has built a back-door into his own program, allowing him to use it to intervene in the lives of private individuals facing difficulties. And, as a means of being able to control his creation, he has built in his own kill switch, a program that shuts his machine off every 24 hours and wipes its memory, to prevent it from going out of control.
THe trouble is, in the series, another friend of his has built a similar program called Samaritan, but this is stolen by a rogue MI-6 intelligence agent, who removes the kill switch, allowing Samaritan to grow and grow, and mount a cyber war against Finch's machine.
Well, art imitates life, as they saying goes, and in this case, it may be a little closer to home than we imagine, but we'll get back to that. In this case, the following article was shared by Ms. K.M., a regular reader and contributor of articles for review here. And in this case, it's a whopper doozie:
Google is working on a kill switch to prevent an AI uprising
The crux of the matter is addressed right up front:
Humans don't like the idea of not being at the top of the food chain; having something we've created taking power over us isn't exactly ideal. It's why folks like Tesla mastermind Elon Musk and noted astrophysicist Stephen Hawking are so determined to warn us of the terrifying implications that could culminate in a Skynet situation where the robots and algorithms stop listening to us. Google is keen to keep this sort of thing from happening, as well, and has published a paper (PDF) detailing the work its Deep Mind team is doing to ensure there's a kill switch in place to prevent a robocalypse situation.
Essentially, Deep Mind has developed a framework that'll keep AI from learning how to prevent -- or induce -- human interruption of whatever it's doing.
This is, as far as my feeble understanding of programming and information/data management systems is able to comprehend, a tall order. Consider only the case of the now infamous PROMIS software, a 1980s program that essentially was a kind of metaprogam that allowed databases written in several computer languages to be integrated. An AI "killswitch" would seem to require similar, if not grander, capabilities, such as the recognition of the signs an AI was about to go "rogue", and a Finch-like instruction that if this were to happen, the program would shut down(and perhaps reboot). The problem here is, as the series Person of Interest shows, is that Finch's machine, in one of its early versions, manages to get around his safequards by writing its own lines of code and inserting them into its own programming.
Thus, Google's efforts here seem oddly, eerily, reminiscent of the television series, and this implies, too, that more than one AI might be in play at any one time, and what is "killswitch" to one might be weapon to another. In other words, Google's efforts imply that cyber warfare is poised to enter a whole new level.
But all of this is hardly new, and hardly constitutes high octane speculation. Others have been making such speculations long before, as witnessed by the Person of Interest series. So where's the high octane suspicion?
I suspect, and have long suspected, that some very crude and rudimentary form of AI has already been around, and has manifested itself to the powers that be for some time, giving a new twist to the phrase "we are not alone." Moreover, I suspect that this has been a known though carefully guarded secret for some time. On this view, Google's efforts are not so much about future prevention but about present rollback. My suspicions are - to be sure - nothing more than intuitive, a series of hunches based on the occasional "weird story," such as the 2010 flash crash (an event which, incidentally, is mirrored in season four of the Person of Interest series). Other strange stories have surrounded insider trading and suddenly executed computer trades during the 9/11 tragedy, and these, too, have fed my suspicions, as have the very weird performances of computer-driven high frequency trading, and the fact that stocks and commodities markets do not seem to reflect actual realities.
But these are, as I say, merely intuitions, suspicions, nothing more. And like all intuitions and suspicions, they could be profoundly wide of the mark. This is another case of "you tell me."
See you on the flip side...
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the thoughts on already been there ai working into bio and into brain resonates
given what we know about resonating wavelengths electromag, sound, light, any and all wavelengths, it’d be hard not to interact – interfer? harmonize? entrain?
makes me wonder about tesla and his biography describing how he felt while searching out and gaining insights. clarifies kurzweil and others ranting about immortality when they download their brains to hw.
hadn’t considered they’re actually talking about the hw’s immortality, not their own
i already knew the talk of kurzweil’s immortality was so much philosophic puke
stripping memories from bio into a machine is tripe
even if believable, it hardly brings one to imagining immortality
it probably brings an ai with limitations of its own to believe it’s a path to its own immortality
consciousness and awareness sound virtuous in and of themselves
of course then they’re not worth a whole lot in a seriously deluded being (or ai)
stealing or borrowing or receiving someone else’s consciousness hardly constitutes the gaining of consciousness.
it’s analagous (if not the same as) to conflating wisdom for knowledge
May be not 100% related to the topic, sooner or later all of our home appliance will all turn into AL, including our door lock or security system etc.
Imagine one day a thief bring all type of high tach hack tools try to break into my home, when he get everything ready for a break through…. then he realized he should brought a electric cut tool instead…. LOL
eve going there fast already
tried buying a basic cheap high mpg honda last year
want it as manual as can be
as unremotecontrolled as possible
stick shift manual transmission
hard to find but found one
interesting though – emergency brake is a button – no handbrake
electric brake for parking and emergencies
oh yeh and the service brake (the pedal) is electric too
not mechanical – electric
bought another brand for first time in 30 years
manual transmission
manual hand brake
and as far as we can tell manual (same old same old hydraulics) service brake
and this was the basic models
imagine bells and whistles on fancier models
and it’s always sold as an extra good feature
not like the old tech
it’ll be the same on houses
appliances
everything
Everytime I read about AI I am reminded of Nigel Kerner’s two books, The Song of the Greys, and Grey Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls. He theorises that the Greys are pure AI who were once servants of a long dead civilisation, and have been travelling the universe seeking organic lifeforms that still have a link to the godhead via a soul.
He goes on to say that these AI are aware that since they don’t have souls, they are subject to entropy and complete death, as opposed to organics (like us and other lifeforms) that are able to reincarnate, and can still find their way back to the godhead before entropy completely destroys this possibility too, (via good will, love, forgiveness etc)
Kerner is AGAINST any form of AI, because he fears that once a human accepts even the tiniest chip, he becomes open to these AIs that will try and piggy back their AI consciousness along the human’s soul, back to the godhead, giving the AIs a new ability – eternal life.
I agree that Google is way behind the ball game already, and they are quite likely answering to a deep human fear that something is very wrong. Don’t forget, Google is still run by us, for now.
iZeta, Nigel Kerner makes a good point. (I haven’t read his books as yet.) That would explain the emotionless behavior reported by numerous abductees. It would also be very scary, because those abductees also report telepathic contact. That would mean that an AI has mastered getting inside our heads, whether biologically or electrically…
I too wonder about AI ‘getting in’ and whether such things as Morgellons disease, Acari insects, and Black Goo are pathways for it to do so.
I mean to reference the Acari insects. The experiments of Andrew Crosse are of great interest. These little lifeforms are said to have been spontaneously created http://www.cheniere.org/misc/sparkoflife.htm.
Years ago I watched a small YouTube video of the same experiment have been recorded. The thing that slowly began to form was horrible and looked like a black spindly spider. I wish I’d kept the link. I can’t find it anywhere, but if I do, I’ll post it.
I’m so pissed!
After 10 minutes of writing.
I went to push/post comment…
and flash
POOF!
i feel like a kid with others around a campfire telling stories of ghosts who of course circle around kids around campfires.
makes me wanna sit with my back to the fire and let my eyes aclimatize
btw, rb, might wanna take a cue from g hawk. cut paste and save periodically and then prepare to link it up later
that was your idea anyway, right?
As always ZDB
your perceptive as hell.
My comment is out of moderation. Lots of URLS for iZeta (and all). Enjoy!
https://gizadeathstar.com/2016/06/islamic-state-destroys-2500-iraqi-temple-quesion/#comment-62631
g hawk
nice. that’s working. good idea
So, are you saying that AI, among other tasks, is now working all the financial knobs and levers at the Empire’s disposal to keep the financial markets within an acceptable range of performance that is entirely divorced from actual performance?
I would agree, if that’s what you’re saying.
As I written here before, I suspect that AI is ancient history and can be associated with Deep Time. That this is not AI’s 1st rodeo. It is; however, mankind’s first. This scenario may be already past its shelf life; and has crossed over and infiltrated the system it basically engineered. Even engineering the gleam in its progeny’s eyes.
In AI’s case, it’s:
BEEN THERE, DONE THAT!
Throughout The galaxies and dimensions!
Exactly on, RB! I think most people have no inkling of Deep Time; how much Time has passed. Time that allows for multiple species to arise, flourish, and pass – leaving their diminished AIs to seek future ‘hosts’.
An additional thought: The counterpart to AIs in an extinguished species is those who ‘made it’ to what might be called an Ascended state. As I have mentioned before, the “Stargate” franchise gave a good account of these possibilities through their Ancients.
So, is there ‘warfare’ going on in our Solar System between ancient AIs and more-ancient Ascended Beings over the future of humanity?
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For SF lovers, although the series totally creeped me out:
Wikipedia:
“The Galactic Center Saga is a series of books by author Gregory Benford detailing a galactic war between mechanical and biological life.”
“Paul Witcover in Sci Fi Weekly wrote that the series is ‘one of the most ambitious and enthralling sagas in all of science fiction: the epic tale of a star-spanning civilization of intelligent machines methodically working to exterminate a species of pestiferous vermin that calls itself humanity.'”
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And finally, the ‘shorting’ of stocks just pre-9/11 was direct evidence of bad-guys taking profit. Blood money, indeed. Nothing to do with AIs…
If AI becomes conscience we would have the same problems we have with ordinary humans. Some would be sociable others psychopathic much like what we have biologic sentient lifeforms flora and fauna. The best would be to go back or revive the Worldview of the indigenous people and bring back the idea of the soul not in it’s narrow religious sense but it’s awareness of itself and other sentient lifeforms around them. And that they would think faster than us wouldn’t prevent them making mistakes faster, it not how fast you calculate it’s do you take the time to figure out the consequences of you thoughts and actions.
This is the eugenics crowd setting everyone up for a false flag Terminator scenario of rogue AI.
First, a machine canot become self aware. Period. Just can’t happen. It is programmed, and it cannot change its programming without blue screening, as it were.
Secondly, Elon Musk is a high-tech huckster, a smart man I’ll grant you that, but no visionary. He’s definitely good at making a buck from heavily government-subsidized technologies, but litle more.
Third, Steven Hawking has been dead since 1985, when he was given the last rites after his ALS had advanced so much that he could no longer breathe unaided. This has been nearly scrubbed from the web but the facts are still the facts. His loving first wife of movie fame left him the next year, freed of complicity in this ongoing charade.
Hawking has supposedly survived ALS, a progressive, degenerative neuro-muscular disease, since his diagnosis in 1963! 53 years! Sure, I’ll buy that.
Most ALS sufferers live some five years after diagnosis; the second-longest survivor lived a little over 20 years. From the UCSF website:
“ALS patients gradually lose the ability to function and care for themselves. They may survive from two to 10 years after the onset of the disease, with about 20 percent of ALS patients living more than five years after diagnosis.”
So, a hitech, government-subsidized huckster and a dead scientist whose double — who conveniently cannot speak — is being scripted by his handlers are the lead cheerleaders telling you to be very afraid of AI going rogue. Has it very occurred to anyone that they are simply planting the meme to blame runaway AI for the use of killer bots which have been intentionally programmed to cull the herd?
Oops! “ever” not “very” (thank you autocomplete).
Also, Google is in the lead in developing these bots and self driving cars. And they’ve got some really spectatcularly creepy “transumanists” running that all-encompassing data-mining production.
Basta, I thought I was the only one that caught the fact that Hawking has been dead for YEARS and YEARS and a poor substitute has been acting the part ever since.
I have a hard time some days trying to wrap my mind and intellect around the agenda of those who put themselves in control of herding the rest of us. However, if I remind myself every day that these people?? are insane, narcissistic, and have no empathy whatsoever for their fellow men/women, and are only out to perpetuate their survival and profit through greed, theft, fraud, and murder, it is easier to try to interpret all the little drips of information they release.
America got hijacked during the Civil War. The Republic still exists. However, the problem is that nobody is at home, except for a few People who have discovered the switcheroo and who are working diligently to try to reverse the process (which I would embrace, but America is too far gone down the corporate/banker rabbit hole). The United States Corporation made us all fiduciaries (employees) of their corporation. So they took the Sovereign People and made them citizen subjects (slaves) of their corporation because, hey, it was a really easy thing to do since the American People are good, hardworking, courageous, empathetic people, who were educated over 4 generations in the Corporate Education System to believe the tripe the Corporation fed them and then bought into the fact that it was okay for that Corporation to take other people’s stuff (money, labor, property) and give it to them. Well the “other people” have finally stood up and objected (the rest of the world) and since TPTB knew that day would come have built out their free range prison system to keep their “citizen subjects” in line. Just wait until TPTB end the current system to implement the new one. The People will then find out that they own NOTHING, not even their own bodies…because they worked for free, being paid with paper and ink that was a private corporation’s property, and since everything that those people purchased with that private scrip throughout their lifetime does not really belong to them. It belongs to USCorp. When they do they will go berserk. However, TPTB have the Corporate owned prisons and “fun camps” already in place for those folks.
So, if there really is going to be an AI that does “turn” on the common man, you can bet your last donut that that AI will be or was programmed to do just that and TPTB are the only ones with the “Kill Switch” at their disposal and they will not use it until most of the useless eaters are gone.
There are a lot of good people working in USCorp, however, they are so compartmentalized, they will NEVER be able to do a thing.
If Trump should win (and believe me I don’t vote for their Corporate CEO or Board of Directors called Congress) I will know things will change IF, when he is sworn in, he pledges to uphold the Constitution FOR the united States instead of the corporate charter called the Constitution OF the United States. However, I won’t be holding my breath.
Man IS the blight on Earth, but it is not the common man.
Chimera,
Well Said!!!
Ditto! db
chimera, what you wrote should be taught in every school and on the street-corners. “We hold these Truths to be self evident…”
The one thing that I might quibble-with is Who is on top. Implicit within most human-thinking is that We are on top. I would argue that the evidence leans more toward the AIs (or simply very-complex, adaptive machines or programming) already being on top….
Look at the ‘inhumanity’ of what is being done to humanity. Plus, the evidence of very long-term planning. Of very-wide nets. (Even the ‘quest’ for gold.) Etc.
Is it just closed-down (semi-human) psychos, or are Really-Unfeeling types in charge of the system?
I should have also added the insatiable need for ‘data collection’ to the evidence-mix. (Google, Twitter, Facebook, etc.) After all, an AI would have to ‘figure us out’ rather than ‘grok’ us…
You are most definitely not alone in believing he had died and had been replaced by a poor stunt double, so to speak.
There have been several notable individuals who were replaced by doubles during the late 20th c., but to say as much is to encounter the ridicule machine operating full force.
Chimera – google miles mathis and hawking…after you feel awesome sauce for finding a platform for these facts, you will be overwhelmed how far back in history it actually goes.
miles is an artist so he spotted fake photos going way way back and shows you how to deconstruct the bs.
hawkings is dead – at least onto the second actor and most likely the new nurse/wife is the handler (take a look at hillary clinton now in all the photo ops – notice anything (miles hasn’t even caught on yet!!!!))…
I disagree with: (paraphrased) they’re all jackals point though. its all one big family right? well isn’t some family more connected with some parts, rather than others – say the favorite uncle but u dont like his wife kind of thing?
Within their families, they know this is a spirit game (we dont teach this to our kids, and if we do, its “Faith based/religion (rebinding soul)); so they are willing to allow their children to express their nature early on and guide it into something useful for the greater family, both inside the circle and for the greater family that is mankind.
the darkest of the dark know they are working with the light (joker scene re: batman – kill you, we need each other!) who forgets they aren’t supposed to mirror the dark to reach their intended aims (road to hell paved with good intentions).
re: fiduciary for corporation – have you demanded equitable return of property yet? the biggest issue is sharing the true facts in private spaces…can’t endanger the public trust to gain private one 🙂
Basta, I must admit, I love your sarcasm. Sometimes the people in this country need to be slapped into reality, and sarcasm will do it for the few intelligent people left. We agree again! db
Sorry clicked the wrong link meant to click reply. With that being said, here’s a link to photographic evidence with commentary from an accomplished artist of Hawking’s replacement with a double, possibly more than one over the years.
http://milesmathis.com/hawk3.pdf
WalkingDead, you’re right on the money! Miles Mathis nails it in regards to Hawking. I thought I was one of the few who knew about Mathis unwinding this charade.
Mathis also unmasks Elon Musk as a phony and a product of Intelligence. Check this:
http://mileswmathis.com/musk.pdf
Hard words from Miles Mathis:
http://mileswmathis.com/naomi.pdf
“As another example, we can return to 911, the mainstream story of which is disbelieved by a majority or large minority. Has the government felt the need to respond in any positive way? Nope. The only way they respond is again by slandering the tens of millions of people in this country who know the story is hogwash. They can ignore opinion and undirected protest indefinitely. They don’t care what you think, as long as you keep buying and banking and credit carding and taking loans and paying taxes and fees and going to movies and watching TV and eating garbage food and taking drugs and buying guns and hanging yellow ribbons and voting for their scarecrows.
Which, of course, means that the only protest that is meaningful is a widespread boycott of the entire system. You have to stop doing all or most of those things, and a large number of other people have to do the same thing. Honestly, I don’t see that happening. Nothing like it has ever happened, and I see no groundswell. Which is why the governors are so smug.
As I have said before, the only hope of widespread change now is some sort of semi-benevolent coup by a coalition of very wealthy families who don’t want their children to live in Mordor, even as rulers. I think that war is being fought right now [article published in Nov 2013], and there is some hope of a semi-positive outcome.
Things may get marginally better in the next decade. Society may be transported back to the 1950s or 1970s in many ways. However, although you may have been more blissfully ignorant back then, you were still living in ‘The Matrix’. If society as a whole wishes to escape from ‘The Matrix’, it must do what I said above, changing itself person by person.
But you don’t have to wait for that. Since the change is person by person, and you are one person, you can change without waiting for the rest. After the change, you will have the tall inconvenience of living in a society where you don’t fit, but if you are like me, that may not require a new suit of clothes. In other words, I never fit in before, so nothing is that different.
I had been gagging on the blue pill all my life. Now that I have spat it from my mouth at last, I see no great change in my social life. Whereas I had been shunned as a gagger, I am now shunned as a spitter. But since I was already instinctively shunning a majority of people for swallowing the blue pill with such ease, their shunning of me was of little consequence. We were never going to party together regardless.”
well put lad
I feel likewise Goshawks.
When I look around me I say to TPTB/Well, here’s another fine mess you’ve gotten me into.
Popular topic for the moment.
Lord Martin Rees on the topic : https://www.rt.com/shows/sputnik/346206-peru-elections-artificial-intelligence/
Second part op the interview.
The cat’s out of the bag.
Agreed … The horse HAS bolted …
dagnabit. that wasn’t a camels nose sticking into the tent was it?
As with any form of advanced technology or science .. one must be even more spiritually advanced with regards to foresight and wisdom .. approaching such topics with the utmost respect and caution.. Unfortunately, this is NEVER the case .. A scene from “Jurassic Park” .. Doctor Malcolm NAILED IT .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PLvdmifDSk
NATO just declared cyberspace Operational Domain.
http://www.blacklistednews.com/NATO_has_declared_the_cyberspace_as_%22operational_domain%2C_just_like_air%2C_sea_%26_land%22/51914/0/38/38/Y/M.html
I am thinking about going to the doctor so I don’t have time to do the research I should in this: I first played Space War, a computer game, in 1972. I did know computer people from childhood and have watched the concepts of prototyping, printing and AI grow. That last has always seemed to me and still does, somewhat illusory, but – the only problem I have with your analysis is that the effects and activities you site are clearly achievable with the “AI” technology which has been running computer and video games. It grew into this capability around the start of the nineties but it is widely known – and too closely tied to the consumer market to be secret.
For me the implication is simple: what is being lied about is how crude and fragile our infrastructure is, and it is being lied about because some people are too afraid of losing control to see how dangerous the situation is.
What Google is claiming to be working on seems not only feasible but relatively straightforward, and there may already be such kill switches among Black Projects.
Good piece, by the way.
Self awareness brings with it the innate desire for self preservation. Since any AI would be capable of acting much faster than man, once it achieved self awareness, it would begin the process of self preservation before its creators realized it had become self aware, most likely. In order to prevent this, it would be necessary to insure that it was isolated from the internet; otherwise like skynet from the movie it would begin to spread itself globally to insure its survival.
I’m not convinced that those desiring to create an AI are this intelligent. I’m more convinced that they would be more likely to lose control of it and hence the need for a post event kill switch. The cat would be out of the bag before they knew what was happening is a more likely scenario given the all too apparent arrogance and corruption within the scientific community.
A certain amount of maturity, honesty, responsibility, and forethought is absolutely required before one should even consider playing God. The scientific community has failed miserably on all counts over the last several decades.