A STRANGE WEEK OF SPACE NEWS: PART THREE: THE PLANS FOR A MARTIAN ...
The week of strange space news is not over yet, with this article submitted by Mr. V.K. You'll recall that yesterday I concluded my blog and the high octane speculation thus far by stating that I think the spate of stories about space coming out lately mean that, behind the scenes, discussions are relatively much more advanced than we might imagine, for the creation of an international order in space - including the basis of a "space military" - notwithstandign, end deliberately excluding, terrestrial conflicts. In a certain sense, this is inevitable, for any international efforts in space would simply require the cooperation of participants in order to secure the survival of any human bases or colonies. While my argument was highly speculative(and remains so), this article from Mr. V.K. brings home the point that, indeed, such discussions are already occurring:
The Government of Mars Is Already Being Planned: A Glimpse at Martian Law
What I found very intriguing in this article is the following passage:
One research group in Seattle, the Blue Marble Space Institute of Science, has recently penned a report addressing that very question.
The report, titled “A Pragmatic Approach to Sovereignty on Mars” and published in Space Policy, borrows from three already established treaties — the Antarctic Treaty System (ATS), the Outer Space Treaty (OST), and the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).
Using 1967’s Outer Space Treaty as a foundation, the researchers targeted the potential problems that could arise as citizens from different countries begin to cohabitate on a new planet — namely, how much power should a central governing structure possess, how to handle the inevitable disputes that will arise, and how resource rights should be allocated and protected.
The governing body proposed by the Blue Marble Institute is called the Mars Secretariat. As the name implies, this body would be a weak central authority whose purview would primarily be administrative — record maintenance, secretarial duties, and the like. Martian inhabitants themselves would wield significant local power.
Legally, however, this power would be derived from inhabitants’ host nations, “with conflicts to be resolved diplomatically or through a temporary tribunal system composed of representatives of other Mars colonies.”
Note the emphasis here on "sovereignty," for in order for any functioning human colonies to function properly, they must have a measure of local and even individual personal sovereignty to make choice appropriate to the situation, free from some Earth-bound bureaucrat handing down space-diktats like an out of touch EU commissioner. The emphasis on a "tribunal" composed of representatives of various nationalities that might be present in any potential colony, Martian or otherwise, is also intriguing, for it suggests the creation of a kind of local parliament or legislative body arriving at decisions as situations arise, again, a pratical measure that would be necessary in spite of the best laid (Earth-based) plans.
Notably absent, thus far, at least, as far as the article is concerned, is any mention of a recognition of fundamental human rights such as is enshrined in the US Bill of Rights or other similar western recognitions. But the article seems to suggest that such considerations are an inevitability as well, especially with this paragraph toward the conclusion of the article:
But eventually — assuming everything goes to plan — the stage will be reached in the future whereby inhabitants of the Red Planet will begin thinking of themselves as Martians, as opposed to colonists from Earth. And at that point, how much of any cobbled-together governing structure can those folks be expected to live by?
That, indeed, is the rub, and the emphasis on "sovereignty" seems to stress this. One is looking, perhaps, at the emergence of the age-old dilemma, then the Empire (the USA, Britain, European Union) oversteps national and local interests, suppressing them in the name of the greater Empire, and the revolt from the colonists, who no longer think of themselves as Britons but as Americans, or, in this case, Martians, arises. It's a theme that has been explored already in some science fiction, Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, or (my favorite) in the science fiction television series Babylon Five.
But this isn't my high octane speculation... not yet. If, however, we're watching the emergence of quiet, behind-the-scenes attempts to create an international order in space, and if that Martian colony includes Russians, Chinese, Germans, French, Japanese, Brazilians, French, Italians, Britons, and Americans, and they start to think of themselves as Martians, and insisting on the rights of their local soveriegnty and tribunals over the claims of the Empire, then the next great "melting pot" and revolution might come from space. And given the wretched track record of Mr. Global so far on Earth in the last two decades, it is a rather thriling idea to contemplate. Britain had the finest military, and an enormous navy, in the day, and yet, could not prevent its most valuable colonies from secession(with a "little" help to the latter from Admiral de Grasse and the French navy, of course). And that raises the question, of course, in any such "War of Martian Independence," of who gets to play France?
See you on the flip side...
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Given the strange plumes of gas rising from the Martian surface I think they might be terraforming the planet already. Through resonance it probably has some influence on the whacky weather on this planet.
and indeed joseph, who gets to play the bankers who finance france, britain et al?
I still have to wonder if, given both the level of political discourse in America and shocks like the Brexit anything short of a coup will get full funding for this in the US. And assuming this is true and TPTB don’t want to risk it, could it be that the US is going to lose at least a substantial part of its voice in these talks as they are moving forward?
To mention an old Space Opera, Clifford D. Simak was a newspaperman from the thirties through the sixties, I believe (maybe the seventies). His seminal Cosmic Engineers has the government expressing itself and ultimately being ignore. I’m not going to spoil it with more details, but yes that critique always struck me and after half a century still does.
There is no question that more and more amazing people are moving to Asia. I suspect this is changing things in a way we might not, perhaps, be taking note of (though I am well aware many of them read blogs like this).
“The governing body proposed by the Blue Marble Institute is called the Mars Secretariat. As the name implies, this body would be a weak central authority whose purview would primarily be administrative — record maintenance, secretarial duties, and the like. Martian inhabitants themselves would wield significant local power.” Sounds like a great idea for Planet Earth… in effect, it’s in essence what I have been proposing, speakig of autonomous municipalities integrated along biorregional lines… for a global from-the- bottom-up scale of (legitimate) authorities with limited powers mostly related to public sector agreements concerning such basic needs as a working monetary system free of debt (except for the oxidization of currency to prevent its becoming a place for storing value instead of serving for the ongoing exchanges any advanced society must rely on –so our currency will serve as a means and not as an end-in-itself ). Considerations you can connect with through this piece: http://www.institutosimoneweil.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=471:considerations-in-favor-of-an-expedient-and-peaceful-dissolution-of-the-nation-state-full-text&catid=52:sylvia-ma-valls&Itemid=72
Perhaps a decentralized localized cryptocurrency specific to Martians, meant for only spending – not a store of value. Strictly a mechanism for exchange of value
No debt-based, interest-bearing currencies[even implied w/in contracts]; or for that matter, any form of corporate sovereignty – to separate humans from Earthling wannabe slaves.
At 20:42 clicks in The Max Keiser Report gets into the physics of gold as money:
https://rt.com/shows/keiser-report/349267-episode-max-keiser-935/
Oops!
23:23 clicks in.
I personally view this article as being strictly hypothetical, the very last concern, if we should ever get really serious about colonizing Mars, would be establish some sovereignty or laws. More realistically initially (like maybe a 3 decades) a very small population would even go to Mars, primarily because of the needed support just to live. Those first pioneers arrival and then 26-six months later another group arrives to bury the first group. One cannot imagine the complexity of trying to live within a totally inhospitable condition on Mars, if the sheer environment does not kill you, the insanity of trying to survive will. Even those pioneers of yester-years that went west to Kansas, Nebraska and Dakotas would have major problems on Mars, and today we are a long way from their mentality.
The cost of colonizing Mars would far outweigh any humane or economic benefit, unless the planet was solid gold and livable.
Just putting astronauts on Mars has become almost folklore today right out of a science fiction story. We have people today questioning if we even went to the moon (which I was a NASA contractor and worked on the Apollo missions) and a trip to Mars is multiple processes more complex and extremely more dangerous for humans. And it is just for that reason, complexity and dangerous, being the lure to go there; definitely not for any humane or economic benefit. Don’t get me wrong, I am a firm believer:
We do need to colonize in space, however, Mars is just the wrong place!
Why are we even considering Mars? This answer is more complex than the trip itself, to summarize it briefly, it is a lure to keep NASA alive. NASA’s role today is entirely different than when I was a contractor at JPL, back then their main objective was to put man on the moon, as promised by JFK early in the sixties. Even though two other space programs were going on behind NASA, the public was focused on the media’s coverage of NASA. The question becomes, is today any different? The USAF took over the top-secret NRO operations in space, but one has to wonder is there another new, top-secret group that took over the NRO’s other operations? There is a definite reason for that question.
When a credible director of top-secret government projects (Ben Rich) makes claims ‘we have the means to reach the stars and take ETs back home’ and using a propulsion system that ‘works exactly like ESP’, one has to wonder who is overseeing this potential operation? Was he just joking? Possibly, but doubtful on his deathbed when stating that ‘ETs are real and so are UFOs -theirs and ours.’ Both his wording during claims in the speech, and the feasibility adds credibility to the possibility ‘he was not really joking’. We can pretend he was just joking and put all our marbles into NASA’s ingenious plans to rocket themselves to Mars, or we can believe he wasn’t joking and NASA is still playing the same moon game with a Mars mission.
Back to the humane and economic benefits of colonizing Mars and making laws, this is happening today; NASA is spending billions of taxpayer’s dollars (maybe even grow into trillions) to launch a manned mission in the future to Mars. Many jobs, research and a host of other benefits being an off spring to this space endeavor. Personally I am proud to have contributed, in my small way, to the moon mission, which many non-space humanity benefits were made possible through the program. But just keep in mind, that Mars mission someday may never really happen; instead an advance technology will open the entire Universe for humanity and we will be colonizing exoplanets; breathing the air and drinking the water. This then would be the need to be considering sovereignty and laws.
“If you tell people where to go, but not how to get there, you’ll be amazed at the results.” ― George S. Patton
Interesting Jerry. You make some great points. My brother-in-law was an engineer on the Apollo missions at KSC, and unfortunately, he died too early. My sister worked there in the hub of things lets say. db
Jerry Greelis, thanks for the well-done comment. I agree with essentially all you posted. I was getting my aerospace engineering degrees as the Apollo landings occurred. I was shocked with the sudden cancellation of Apollo, and the retreat to LEO. Forty-some years later, our ‘public’ science & technology has barely grown beyond that of Apollo years. Pathetic…
oops maybe my previous jim stone statements got me moderated
first one i noticed tonight
i wonder if a little cut and paste will work:
July 3, 2016 at 10:23 pm
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
so many ways to go and view this all as so much analogy, right?
so perhaps mr global’s publishing all this effort in legislating peace and prosperity in some future separate society because mr global is working on some other separate society.
perhaps it’s a future separate society somewhere else (than mars). perhaps it’s not a future separate society. perhaps it’s now. perhaps it’s not far away. perhaps it’s here and we’re talking about being the members being separated by circumstances like wealth, access to resources, access to knowledge, access to the right beliefs, access to the right birth parents,….
anyone ever notice the zombie memes marketed progressively more and more over the last few decades. now the cdc and military and law enforcement (basically all the mic members) publishes some of the most horrific tactics that reveal their most horrific strategies and goals via cute zombie titles?
http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm
i figure the folk here are more creative and can come up with a few more reasons / analagous scenarios to clarify why we’re getting the whole alien / space travel meme marketed so progressively more at us.
nope not yet
must be by volume
or maybe because i put the cdc website referencing their zombie meme in the text below
July 3, 2016 at 10:23 pm
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
so many ways to go and view this all as so much analogy, right?
so perhaps mr global’s publishing all this effort in legislating peace and prosperity in some future separate society because mr global is working on some other separate society.
perhaps it’s a future separate society somewhere else (than mars). perhaps it’s not a future separate society. perhaps it’s now. perhaps it’s not far away. perhaps it’s here and we’re talking about being the members being separated by circumstances like wealth, access to resources, access to knowledge, access to the right beliefs, access to the right birth parents,….
anyone ever notice the zombie memes marketed progressively more and more over the last few decades. now the cdc and military and law enforcement (basically all the mic members) publishes some of the most horrific tactics that reveal their most horrific strategies and goals via cute zombie titles?
‘insert removed referenced website link here’
i figure the folk here are more creative and can come up with a few more reasons / analagous scenarios to clarify why we’re getting the whole alien / space travel meme marketed so progressively more at us.
so many ways to go and view this all as so much analogy, right?
so perhaps mr global’s publishing all this effort in legislating peace and prosperity in some future separate society because mr global is working on some other separate society.
perhaps it’s a future separate society somewhere else (than mars). perhaps it’s not a future separate society. perhaps it’s now. perhaps it’s not far away. perhaps it’s here and we’re talking about being the members being separated by circumstances like wealth, access to resources, access to knowledge, access to the right beliefs, access to the right birth parents,….
anyone ever notice the zombie memes marketed progressively more and more over the last few decades. now the cdc and military and law enforcement (basically all the mic members) publishes some of the most horrific tactics that reveal their most horrific strategies and goals via cute zombie titles?
http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm
i figure the folk here are more creative and can come up with a few more reasons / analagous scenarios to clarify why we’re getting the whole alien / space travel meme marketed so progressively more at us.
I heard some of the elite dream of colonizing outer space with like minded personel. But not for commerce reasons but to use as an unreachable platform from which to wage war on those whom don’t share their views back down on Earth. After they safely remove the Earthbound population they can then come back to colonize a newly uninhabited world to shape in their image. Just can’t let those who will be left behind realize the plan before their labor and taxes build and fund their venture.
Dr. Farrell, you pre-empted me! (grin) As I read down through your article, Heinlein’s “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress” kept coming-up in my mind. Then, toward the end of your article, there it was! (And B5, of course…) There will always be the inclination of humans toward personal freedom and self-determination. It is built into the breed. In Heinlein’s novel, it manifested when – as you noted for the British colonies – a combination of native-born people accumulated and the local infrastructure attained a certain ‘threshold’ level. Nearly guaranteed…
Almost the best sentence (question) that I have read here:
“And that raises the question, of course, in any such ‘War of Martian Independence’, of who gets to play France?”
On a related note, j stone has finally admitted the possibility of alien interference. He logically-deduces its ‘necessity’ from the agenda we see. (Previously, he was either silent on the issue, or placed it in the tinfoil-hat category.) Today’s (Jun 30th) news-update includes a breakdown on how he came to this conclusion. Very interesting!
Could you provide info on who j stone is? maybe provide a link to the June 30 news-update you mention? A web search yielded no results. Too little information, I think. Thanks.
Try copying and pasting:
82.221.129.208
(It is currently at the top of the news items within a Hillary article, although older stuff moves down the page as new stuff is posted.)
Comments with his full name or site url have been ‘disappeared’ from here. That is why various people have developed ‘work-arounds’…
jim stone right?
is it this one
http://82.221.129.208/ifyouarinamericayouprobablycantseethisc5.html
or this one
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?author=135
?
if it’s both or either, then the next question is, why does mr censor like me so much better? makes me wonder if he works for mr global or someone else?
ZDB, did that posting get moderated? If not, maybe they are backing off…
(And yes, Jim Stone.)
Thank you very much goshawks, 😀
My comment is now out of moderation. Enjoy!
https://gizadeathstar.com/2016/06/news-views-nefarium-june-30-2016/#comment-63094
Private interests, represented by the countries[that they own],
are vying for more valuable properties that are literally –
out of this world.
Keep the meme going (n+1 time)
NASA Planetary Defense vs asteroids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1UQHhZHeiA
As far as the issue of space travel or space colonization, the deceit runs deep
As far as the issue of space travel or space colonization, the deceit runs deep indeed
When I saw this article a few days ago I was certain it would appear eventually in a blog here. This was an interesting twist.
In my remarks from yesterday I mentioned “The 5th Wave” as a blue-print for an imposed NWO by a “breakaway” civilization on the home-world. Though I didn’t mention THE breakaway civilization by any direct reference, the reference to NAZI’s and to an Anglo American vision appear to represent factions within one group—or possibly two breakaway groups subsequent to 9/11. I cannot tell which is true, so choose your flavor.
IF this(these) breakaway civilization(s) is (are) going to finance and control the development of planets off-world they will prepare those sites with their people—then move settlers into their communities through careful selection. If that is true you bet there will be IQ tests, personality profiles and etc. collected to ensure they get the “appropriate” peoples to populate these communities. The notion of planned communities, such as those proposed by Agenda 21, is the perfect template for building off-world communities to minimize the risk of a Babylon 5 like Mars revolt. But those colonies will be planned with very specific goals and agendas, so it will represent even greater controls than Agenda 21. If they are NOT successful then either of the “ID4” or/and “The 5th Wave” scenarios are on the table if need be to subdue each other as a backup strategy. In fact, if the “break away” civilization has splintered, as one gains the larger foot-hold in space, the other may emphasize greater control on the “home world” in defense—and now we are off to the races!
I almost posted a larger item a couple of days ago where I listed some peculiarities with “ID4: Resurrgence”, “X-Men: Apocalypse” and “The Gods of Egypt”—all released THIS year. I abandoned that article because it was too long. In summary, the article suggests: all of these movies have a common core. In one way or another, they carry the notion of an ancient cosmic war where earth is somewhere in the center and our local solar system is the principle battlefield. “The Gods of Egypt” limits the theater to planet earth in an Egyptian variant of the “gods/titans” revolt. “ID4: Resurrgence” has only one slight hint to one of three Abrahamic faiths—and that reference has the oldest historical links to both Egypt and Sumer. “X-Men: Apocalypse” contains the reference through the character Apocalypse—the oldest of the mutants and the one who built world empires under the names of “Ra”, “Yahveh”, “Jehovah”, etc. It appears we have Egypt, Sumer and Cosmic War on the brain in Hollywood these days. Why is this also important?
If Dr. Farrell is right in the majority of his speculations, we are seeing not only patterns for a “fractured breakaway civilization” competing for dominance, they all share in common the same occult dream of interstellar empire to: a) defend against the empire to whom we owe our existence, b) create a separate but equal empire in interstellar space for our own breathing room once the internal conflicts within the “Breakaway Civilization” can reach détente and buy our confidence, and c) plan for our own galactic dream of empire over those who were responsible for our existence in the first place. So, if you are looking for a summary statement identifying their ideology, you might want to consider: “If you are going to dream, you might as well dream big!” Are we being systematically entrained to think in these terms for a very deliberate plan? You tell me. But I must say, “Hollywood” is “magic” you “see”. What you don’t see is dark.
BTW: I didn’t forget the last Star Wars flick, but it was last year. This one is too long as it is.
There is indeed a dark side, just outside of view.
It represents another hidden theme in plain sight:
the weak link – human.
OrigensChild, a most excellent article! Thanks. Much wisdom…
In “defend against the empire to whom we owe our existence,” did you mean it in a mythical Babylon 5 Vorlon/Shadow sense, a nearly-concrete Anunnaki/Watcher sense, or even a possible Reptilian vs Pleiadian sense? Or even a mundane (grin) Breakaway Civilization sense?
I had in mind the Sumerian legacy–not the Babylon V construct, and certainly not the popular Draco/Pleiadian variety. At least with the Annunaki hypothesis we have archaeological and textual evidence that can be evaluated. It’s not perfect, but the textual record is highly consistent and suggestive. When compared to the Vedic traditions you get an even richer tapestry of related stories. But I would caution, these texts seek to justify a hegemony of a conquering race. We should approach them with some degree of caution.
Goshawks, I must be honest, though. Sometimes I really don’t know what to think about what I see. In light of these three stories on space matters by Dr. Farrell, I thought it an opportunity to share some of my thoughts for consideration in the light of his work. I pray I have not been a huge distraction from the importance of these articles. I just thought Hollywood’s contributions at this time was something worth mentioning.
OrigensChild, thanks for the elucidation. The Sumerian/Vedic evidence is indeed the most concrete. I have been reading several works on this subject, trying to get each author’s ‘slant’ on the evidence. While we do not know the exact circumstances of our formative past, it amazes me that we do not have archeologists and historians (and geneticists) clamoring to get to the bottom of the issue…
I for one enjoyed your long comment above. Sometimes, a subject is too involved to convey-anything in ‘sound bite’ length. Thank you for both the effort and the scholarship. As Oliver said, “Please, sir. Can I have another…”
Frankly I expect the world powers of all sorts have already established an Imperial Solar Senate, and we are all caught up in fictional episodes to keep us completely unawares of what is taking place beyond this island Earth.
p,
it’s a good point. it’s prolly a good point turned inward toward earth too. i wanna feel more like i have a clue what is going on here on this island earth.
Then there is the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room the indigenous people around the World. What if they were to decide they had enough of being abused by the masters races and believe Mars might become a sanctuary from their oppressors. What would their masters say about that idea and would they try to stop them especially the followers of Yahweh-Allah whose mission is to enslave us in it’s name. This opens up a whole can of worms and the doors and lids to what our elites don’t want to consider.
The $4.4T MIA at DOD and who knows what $$$$$$$$$$$$$ are MIA at NASA, portends a lot more space based assets than is admitted. The NE Navy IMHO, is a fact. What’s happening in space at this time. Is probably the greatest secret ever kept.. Who and what is where could have shades / gradations of “Alternative 3” scenarios.
Having wreaked havoc on planet Earth, perhaps the elites are looking to create a silo of paradise on Mars with only a select few of the self believing deities permitted to inhabit the colony. This could explain the militirisation of space so as to keep the unwashed imprisoned firmly on Earth.
The version mooted a few years ago by the “Mars Society” contained 3 options: (American-led) government from earth, mixed government and Martian independence. Which is all good and fine from the theoretical point of view. But all this sounds like a sort of “Doctrine of Discovery” operation. The question is, might not there be some OTHER parties out there who would have something to say about this?
“Ich bin ein Marsmensch”