SETI MONITORING PROMISING SIGNAL 95 LIGHT YEARS AWAY
There has been a spate of space-related news lately, and I have been delaying commenting about them simply because of more pressing news, but I've decided I have to make some comment about these stories because I believe them to be significant, and because I suspect that in some way they are related to the events here on Earth. If you've been following these stories, they seem to fall into two distinct patterns: (1) talk of new technologies, and (2) stories about the discovery of potential Earth-like planets in nearby solar systems. And of course, I've decided to comment about them simply because I cannot resist the opportunity they provide for high octane speculation.
Consider this story shared by Mr. T.H., a story originating, as you shall discover, in Russia:
The story begins innocently enough:
An international team of scientists from the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) is investigating mysterious signal spikes emitting from a 6.3-billion-year-old star in the constellation Hercules—95 light years away from Earth. The implications are extraordinary and point to the possibility of a civilization far more advanced than our own.
The unusual signal was originally detected on May 15, 2015, by the Russian Academy of Science-operated RATAN-600 radio telescope in Zelenchukskaya, Russia, but was kept secret from the international community. Interstellar space reporter Paul Gilster broke the story after the researchers quietly circulated a paper announcing the detection of “a strong signal in the direction of HD164595.” (Emphasis added)
What makes scientists think this might be a signal from an advanced civilization? This is where it gets interesting:
“The signal conceivably fits the profile for an intentional transmission from an extraterrestrial source,” said Alan Boyle, author of The Case for Pluto who reported the story for Geekwire. “In any case, the blip is interesting enough to merit discussion by those who specialize in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence.”
The signal’s strength indicates that if it in fact came from a isotropic beacon, the power source would have to be built by a Kardashev Type II civilization. (The Kardashev scale is used to determine the progress of a civilization’s technological development by measuring how much energy was used to transmit an interstellar message.) An ‘Isotropic’ beacon means a communication source emitting a signal with equal power in all directions while promoting signal strength throughout travel.
(Emphasis added)
Before we can do our usual speculative analysis, there's one more paragraph to bear in mind:
Basically, if the signal was beamed out into the galaxy without aim or direction, that would require an enormous amount of power to actually be detected. But what if the signal was beamed specifically at our solar system? Well, that would require less energy and could indicate the presence of a Kardashev Type I civilization—meaning that it could be a highly technological, contemporary society that harnesses the solar energy emitted by its local star, much like our planet does with solar panels. This particular civilization’s social structure is theorized to be completely globalized and interconnected.
Now, I submit that these statements have to be parsed very carefully to see why SETI scientists are so interested, and to see why they might have tried to embargo the story which nonetheless leaked anyway (we'll get back to that leak in a moment).
First of all, by referencing the Kardashev Civilization classification types - Type one requiring the energy output of an entire planet, Type Two requiring the energy output of an entire star, and Type Three requiring the output of an entire galaxy, bot just to communicate but rather, to survive - the implication is that either the signal is isotropic, i.e., going out equally in all directions, or that it is being intentionally beamed in our direction. IN either case, the implication is the signal is relatively strong. And the implication is actually more sensational if, in fact, it comes from the less advanced Type One civilization, for that would mean a specific recipient is intended on the other end, namely, us.
This brings us to our second implication: strong signals in themselves are not significant enough to attract SETI's attention. After all, all sorts of things out there emit "strong signals"; stars, quasars, pulsars and even whole galaxies do so on a regular basis. Our own Sun does. Few, if any, of these attract the attention of groups like SETI for the simple reason that these signals are random in nature. They're noise. For a signal to attract attention of a group like SETI,there has to be an element of regularity and pattern, hallmarks of language, and communication. To be sure, pulsars originally were candidates, because of the regularity of their signals (and of course, Dr. Paul LaViolette has proposed that Pulsars are, in fact, star based communications systems. The trouble here is that the system in question is not a pulsar system, but an ordinary star rather like our own Sun.
So Signal Strength + an implied pattern of possible regularity = potential signal from intelligence.
Which brings us to the leak itself and to our high octane speculation, for it is possible that if one wanted to reveal the existence of such a signal, perhaps the best way to reveal its existence is not via a grand press conference with trumpet fanfares, in which case a certain segment of the population would tend to disbelieve it. But in today's cynical and conspiracy-obsessed world, perhaps the best way to reveal such a thing is to pretend to conceal it, and allow the story to be leaked.
See you on the flip side...
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Part of a coordinated media campaign to use drip-by-drip disclosure to the Globalist advantage.
NASA & SETI are dripping with “Disclosure” — Soft Disclosure, for sure. Soft Disclosure enables NASA, SETI, oligarchs & The Cabal to roll out Partial Disclosure at any time — then point at all these little ‘disclosure’ stories and say “We told you so.”
Russia is pushing hard on “Disclosure” — Partial or Full. We’ll soon see.
I see a tiny trickle of reality entering the public consciousness. Preparation for the shock that is coming.
Lately, I would say that we are experiencing a willfully ignorant and coincidence-obsessed world!
Yep. I caught that subtle implication, too. The suggestion appears to be that we’d better accept globalism…otherwise we’ll remain a galactic backwater and our species won’t be able to travel the stars…
“This particular civilization’s social structure is theorized to be completely globalized and interconnected.”
The noble lie: if we aren’t global and interconnected, we can’t be any more than a Type Low civilisation.
My comments above were meant to be in response to iZeta’s post, not Centauri’s. My apologies. I’m re-posting here in the proper place.
Yep. I caught that subtle implication, too. The suggestion appears to be that we’d better accept globalism…otherwise we’ll remain a galactic backwater and our species won’t be able to travel the stars…
Globalization under the terms the elite are offering it is unacceptable; however, I see nothing wrong with a global effort to explore and take advantage of what space travel has to offer. Every nation could participate on whatever level they could and share in whatever benefits are produced. This could be done without surrendering sovereignty to a fascist/ technocratic cabal.
Agreed. An egalitarian space faring humanity consisting of diverse cultures and races would be a marvel! I think this would only be possible if science crosses the threshold into the domain of the spirit, in order to equalise the religious doctrines.
Yes, I 100% agree. Space exploration will require massive resources and coordination on a global scale. But cooperation, rather than coercion- as you’ve said- should be the model. If our species were to encounter the stars as slaves, rather than as free men, it would scarcely be called progress; recreating Empire ‘out there’ would be a truly dim enterprise. It would represent the squandering of a profound opportunity for human advancement. One set of scenery would simply be replaced by another; we’d have ‘materialism in space’… I’m sure the folks at Starbucks are already drawing up plans to put their first thirty franchises on Iapetus. Coke is planning to sponsor the moon. Venus will be brought to us (with limited commercial interruption) by Volkswagen; and a new space navy will be constructed to protect it all. Dang. I’m all for packing up and heading someplace new…I just don’t want a dozen or so roaches to hitch a ride in my suitcase, then jump out and pretty-foot around my fresh new digs the minute I get there.
Exactly!
There is a “Star Trek”-ian aspect to this:
Imagine that you were an outside entity like the Federation. You WOULD like to deal with one authority, because otherwise you would be dealing with a faction (bad news). There might even be laws that forbade formal ‘First Contact’ until they could deal with a planetary ‘voice’.
However, the FORM of that ‘voice’ may be what’s up for grabs. Think Klingon versus Vulcan versus Terran…
I imagine a Federation would ‘grandfather-in’ whatever form was minimally-acceptable. (Not too aggressive towards other members, etc.) After that, ‘diplomatic inertia’ would tend to keep that form in place. The concrete would begin to set…
So, what may be behind all the ‘jockeying’ on good old planet Earth in recent times may be more off-planet-related than purely resource-grabbing. If those rumors about some ETs saying ‘disclose by this date, or we will do it for you’ are true, the pressure may be on…
I agree, mostly.
If there exists such a federation, it does seem that they might only want to deal with one authority on Earth, and as you say, might refrain from doing so until all humans are really united.
But that doesn’t mean we have to be globalised.
We can be united, we can be one voice – we can even have the United Nations of Earth democratically represent the interests of every country. I think that’s fair. It might take a little longer to come to agreements and decisions, but that’s the nature of good well-thought discussions, as long as these decisions are in the interest of Earth and all its inhabitants each time.
I’m VERY suspicious of any outside federation wanting to push the globalised agenda. It’s sufficient that we have the manic neocons doing so, let alone a group of ETs who seem too desperate to have this disclosure.
Star Trek is good to a point. I’ve watched them all, and for many years I was also tricked into desiring such a world. Until I realised that deep down the same globalised agenda is prevalent and pushed.
Roddenberry presented nationhood, intuition and God as recalcitrant, and introduced technology, critical thinking and globalism as the way forward. Interestingly, he was present during some of The Council of Nine channeled discourses where he might have developed some of THEIR ideas ….
iZeta well i did not know many knew that Gene was present at the council of nine lords briefing avidly taking notes as he was but channeling unreliable but as the doctor was reading from a prepared sheet it might have been from direct communication decifered
by Joseph Franks a great code breaker who later met with Gene outside those meetings.
the other point is this would not be from an outside body if this was a colony long ago then you are already members and globalist issues need not apply either as who really can be trusted to speak for you as bums on seats choice of the individual while you still have freedom of choice choose wisely but your comment were interesting thanks made my day
“Your comment is awaiting moderation.” That’s almost funny; nothing controversial at all…
goshawks – September 5, 2016 at 7:25 pm.
Glad somebody else caught that.
I believe EVERTHING that the powers that be do has a nefarious purpose for people and a golden ring for them, thus, I believe NOTHING coming from whatever branch, department, or any other corporate entity to which they are even remotely connected.
I would cue-in around “6.3-billion-year-old star.” Our own solar system is around 4.5-billion-years-old. While it is impossible to second-guess evolution and set-backs, on-average a species of that star might have a 1.8-billion-year ‘lead’ on us. (Assuming no ET interventions along the way.) This is in B5 Vorlon/Shadow territory…
Rather than being worried about other species finding-out about them, the ‘beacon’ could be saying, “Yeah, so?”
My comment from Sep 2nd is out of moderation. Enjoy!
https://gizadeathstar.com/2016/09/news-views-nefarium-september-1-2016/#comment-65113
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Another comment from Sep 2nd is out of moderation. Enjoy!
https://gizadeathstar.com/2016/09/cia-satellites-ai/#comment-65136
I think SETI is sending a ‘strong signal’ that it needs more money.
Ride the wave! Imagine if it was possible to send a powerful beam of energy at a distant celestial body and when the beam reflected back it was possible with some future break through in technology to ride back and forth along that two way beam transmission and reception. To perhaps super conduct along that artificial super conducting energy bridge.
I don’t know about physical bodies but AI’s probably could.
Werner von Braun’s family of script writers beat gravity but the, To Be Continued…, soap-operatic-updates of alien invasions are simply overwhelming.
This story joins the possibility of a ringworld being constructed around another star. By the way what is the real color of Mars sky and is Venus a new planet in our solar system and is still in the process of cooling down. And why is there a pushing of a geocentric universe and flat earth of late the dog and pony show soldiers on.
A return of the dark ages while the “illuminated” ones continue on in secrecy, perhaps?
Under moderation, check back in a day or so…
No mention of super luminosity, so the “signal” would be, at least, 95 years old. No mention of what that “message” supposedly contained, indicates that it may not be a “message” after all. The universe is a big place with a great many things in it we have yet to discover; so, this could still be just another natural event, one we are seeing for the first time. SETI recently announced another such “signal” only to find out is was one of the spy satellites.
Leaking it out in the manner they have could serve any of several agenda’s depending on what you suspect or believe. If we use Earth as a “typical” civilization; assume that there may be, scattered throughout the universe, an undetermined, yet very large, number of civilizations which are at our level of achievement or beyond; then we would also need to assume they would be similar to us in many others ways as well. This is not too inspiring, since we are far more advanced technologically than we are morally or spiritually. We are more like the Klingons than the Federation, so to speak, a very warlike species.
Call me a doubting Thomas, but I do not believe Mr. Global’s world domination aims to be either altruistic or benevolent in nature. Nor do I believe that they intend to lead us toward a type I civilization for the benefit of all of mankind. While they may yet achieve those goals, it will come at great cost for the rest of humanity. Not a pleasant thought for either life here or any life we come across as we begin to travel space.
We can assume this would have occurred any number of times throughout the universe; in which case, would it be wise to advertise your presence in such a manner, revealing your whereabouts to other equally or more advanced civilizations which may not have your best interests at heart.
If ancient texts are to be taken at face value, having aliens visit Earth hasn’t worked out so well for humanity. There is ample evidence within out own solar system that the universe is a very unfriendly place, especially where underdeveloped worlds are concerned. While there may exist benevolent entities/species throughout the universe, we seem to have been unfortunate in our solar systems contact with them.
Mr. Global isn’t very nice; imagine what Mr. Galaxy might be like. Dwindling resources and expanding populations would be the most likely reason for any species to expand into space. This would follow a similar pattern to what occurred in America when it was discovered. It did not go well for the natives.
Bleh, under moderation. Check back in a day or so.