WIKILEAKS, THE VATICAN, AND COVERT SPACE WARS
Over the past few days I've been blogging about the rash of very strange space-and-UFO-related stories that seem to form a context from which to read President Obama's recent executive Order concerning space weather, and that context has included everything from the macabre and bizarre death of a UFO researcher in Poland to a set of Wikileaks emails implying that some sort of very deep politics - to utilize Professor Peter Dale Scott's term - is taking place behind the scenes in the past few months, and particularly, in the past couple of weeks. I've already referred to the strange wikileaks emails concerning contact between Podesta - campaign manager for Darth Hillary - and former Blink 182 rock star Tom DeLonge, who retired from the group to pursue his research and interest in UFOs and who recently co-authored an entertaining novel on that subject:
Now I don't know about you, but I have difficulty believing that anyone as highly placed as Mr. Podesta, or anyone as famous as Mr. DeLonge, would be planning meetings to discuss rock music.
But the story has broadened and deepened considerably by other Wikileaks detailing similar correspondence between the recently-deceased Apollo astronaut Ed Mitchell, and Mr. Podesta. Interestingly enough, the story gained some traction in Russia's media outlet, RT:
Space war, Vatican knowledge of extraterrestrials revealed in Podesta emails
Podesta urged to involve Obama in extraterrestrial disclosure meeting, emails reveal
According to the first RT article, Mitchell made reference to a war in space, and of course, to how kindly space brothers are willing to share their knowledge of zero point energy in return for a human pledge of "no violence in space":
“Because the War in Space race is heating up, I felt you should be aware of several factors as you and I schedule our Skype talk,” Mitchell, who died in February, tells Podesta in the mails from 2015, before mentioning a “nonviolent” alien species that wishes to share with mankind “zero point energy.”
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Mitchell, who includes in his email signature that he’s the “6th man to walk on the Moon,” warns Podesta that the “nonviolent ETI” are helping to share zero point energy with Earth but will not “tolerate any forms of military violence on Earth or in space."
Notably, Mitchell does not advance any argument or details about the "War in Space race" that is "heating up," which opens the door to all sorts of high octane speculation: does he mean a war that is already going on? or a coming and planned "space war" (which seems to be the most probably interpretation of his remarks)? And just who are these "non-violent ETIs"? How does Mitchell know them? How does he know they're non-violent?
And most importantly: what's the quid pro quo? What is Earth offering in return for all of this bountiful technology, a technology which, if you've been following my research on the subject in various books over the years, and this past week's blogs, isn't all that beyond human theorization and engineering anyway?
For me, there's a disturbing hidden set of implications to Mitchell's "logic" and that disturbing implication is evident in the people he is contacting: if ETI is non-violent, why not step in and put a stop to it now? And more importantly, why would ETI want to deal with a political party and philosophy that has for decades been at the forefront of abortion on demand, and bombing the daylights out of millions of innocent Muslims and tearing their countries apart? This suggests to me that there's a moral cognitive dissonance at work with Mr. Mitchell's ETIs, and that makes me question that little matter of the quid pro quo.
All this brings us to the second article, and recalls the strange death of UFO investigator Max Spiers which I blogged about a few days ago. Consider these statements from the second RT article:
John Podesta arranged a meeting with astronaut Edgar Mitchell to discuss the US government disclosing information to the public on aliens, according to emails leaked by WikiLeaks. The meeting was described as a prelude to involving President Barack Obama in the discussion.“Our government is still operating from outdated beliefs and policies” Mitchell wrote in the email from 2014, in which he requested “a conversation with you and President Obama regarding the next steps in extraterrestrial disclosure for the benefit of our country and our planet.”
Mitchell, the sixth man to walk on the moon, said the information needed to be disclosed to allow humans to achieve “planet sustainability generation energies," as well exploring the cosmos without reverting to “colonialism and destruction” and as a way for the government to respectfully regard “the wisdom and intellect of its citizens as we move into space.”
In the email, Mitchell claimed that the US government made a conscious decision 50 years ago to “remove knowledge of the extraterrestrial presence from the citizens of our country.” This decision is no longer relevant, according to Mitchell, who said it is detrimental to “science, religion, and responsible citizenry.”
Podesta’s assistant, Eryn Sepp, accepted the invitation, but said, “John would likely take this meeting alone first before involving the President.”
The former astronaut, who died earlier in 2016, had communicated with Podesta via email before, warning him of an impending space war as well as Vatican knowledge of extraterrestrials.
Podesta, who is heading Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, is known for his UFO fervor stating earlier this year that he had convinced Clinton to declassify UFO files if she takes power. In 2002, he openly advocated for the public release of documents on Area 51.
In the latest batch of emails released by WikiLeaks, Podesta was asked by author and Apollo museum curator Robert Fish to discuss how “hard scientific data” can be collected on UFOs.
“Based on significant personal experience, I can attest that UFO hunters are looking in the wrong places.” Fish told Podesta in the 2015 mail.
Podesta declined to meet with Fish, but said he will keep his contact information.
Implicit between the lines here is that there is a religious dimension to the UFO phenomenon, but again, details on any specifics are not forthcoming. There is, of course, the usual claptrap from government think tanks and so on that the idea of extraterrestrial intelligent life would be a threat to various religious fundamentalisms. But the last time I checked, both Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have long understood and held that there are other forms of intelligent life besides humanity. Even Christ hints of it in the statement "I have other sheep not of this fold."
Equally disturbing is the Vatican's alleged involvement. The history, and claims, of the papacy are there for all to see, consider Boniface VIII's bull Unam Sanctam for example; indeed, the universal claims of that institution and the tyrannical and oftentimes barbarous nature of its government and institutions led to the Protestant revolt in the 16th century, and to its excommunication by the Orthodox Church in the 11th. Why would this institution be chosen either by the powers that be or by ETIs - especially non-violent ones - for a "disclosure" event? It would seem, once again, that we are chin-to-chin with the moral dissonance phenomenon again, and in that, there is the dangerous possibility of great deception.
Over the years I've taken somewhat the opposite tack of the disclosure mania crowd, and argued that there may have been good and persuasive reasons for that government secrecy, namely, that perhaps the conclusion was drawn that these alleged ETIs were not friendly at all, but rather, as many ancient records seem to indicate, not only hostile to humanity but positively anti-human. I have argued that in any secret UFO study group, one facet or area of such research would be precisely the evaluation of those ancient texts, and indeed, Dr. Jacques Vallee, among others, stands as an example of one such expert UFO researcher with known connections to various governments' studies who has been sounding a much more cautionary note with respect to the phenomenon. And if not friendly, then the choice and decision had to be taken to be able to defend ourselves, in case the cost of acquiring all of Mr. Mitchell's wonderful ETI technology was too high...
In any case, the powers that be now find themselves in a conundrum, for having lied about the JFK assassination, OKC bombing, the Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King assassinations, weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, 9/11 and virtually every other thing one can think of, why would one believe them on anything they have to say about "disclosure" and ETIs, friendly or otherwise? Why would one believe the likes of a Hillary Clinton, unless, of course, she was of a similar mind and character to that which she would "disclose" and declassify?
See you on the flip side...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atx7qHAkRt4
Remember this footage from awhile back? Anyone have anything new to add as to what went on?
My, so many different tunes being sung here. Still a big learning curve ahead! People will have to come out of those trenches of thought they have been digging for themselves soon enough. Even people who have a published investment in their speculations.
I just figured I’d pulse through and answer a bunch of these questions. Time to get strange!
“…does he mean a war that is already going on?”
Yes, but Mitchell doesn’t have the whole story. There is a space skirmish going on for the last couple years between some foreign interlopers and their earth-human lackeys and an earth-space break-away group recently empowered by some foreign friends.
These little altercations are hardly a war, though. It is to arrest the damage that can be done by the bad-guys while grounded earth-humans are ushered into a life full of the tech that the bad-guys have been using against them for enslavement.
“And just who are these “non-violent ETIs”? How does Mitchell know them? How does he know they’re non-violent?”
Why ask? Nobody would believe it if you told them. All will be made clear soon! Seeing will certainly be believing.
Mitchell does not know them, but many people on both sides (good-guys and bad-guys) know that they are here and will be exposing the tech to the grounded people of earth. There is nothing that is being asked for in return, period.
“if ETI is non-violent, why not step in and put a stop to it now?”
That is what is happening now. The friends of that break-away group are not even physical anymore. They are a couple steps further than earth human(s) current density evolution. They are untouchable to the technologically advanced, foreign interlopers that work with their little faction of earth-humans engineering the misery machine known as Earth.
The bad-guys have had a field day on Earth for a dozen millenia. Free will has been taken away from the rest of earth-humanity during this process. So, the scales are being balanced in order to allow earth-humanity to get a foothold and shake the yoke. Exposing the bad-guys and handing over the tech that grounded earth-humans should have had all along is an easy solution.
“why would ETI want to deal with a political party and philosophy that has for decades been at the forefront of abortion on demand, and bombing the daylights out of millions of innocent Muslims and tearing their countries apart?”
“Why would this institution (vatican) be chosen either by the powers that be or by ETIs – especially non-violent ones – for a “disclosure” event?”
Mitchell is not a representative for these entities. These AGA (ancient group of assholes) gangsters are not being chosen for anything, really. They are, simply, the only institutions on Earth. This discussion is a reaction to an inevitable event. He is essentially saying, “I have it on good authority that you guys have no choice and you know it.”
You can bet the bad-guy factions will try their damnedest to mitigate the damage to their control that this tech and their full exposure will deal. It will all be futile and hilarious to watch. Good times ahead!
“we are chin-to-chin with the moral dissonance phenomenon”
There isn’t one. These service-to-others, density-evolved entities do not recognize the way we count time, nor do they see earth-humans as 7 billion separate beings. So to think they value a grounded human’s perspectives on justice or fairness is silly. The only way foreward is through exposure, acceptance, and forgiveness.
“perhaps the conclusion was drawn that these alleged ETIs were not friendly at all, but rather, as many ancient records seem to indicate, not only hostile to humanity but positively anti-human.”
Just like all earth humans are not evil, the same holds true for all the various species in the universe. There were thousands of species visiting earth for research purposes before the quarantine was put in place a couple years ago. Now there are only a handful of factions left in the solar system comprised of a couple dozen different species.
Well, there is a wall of text nobody will read! heheh
Oops, typo on ‘forward’! Dang it.
I also forgot to give my usual ‘thank you’ to the good doctor.
Thanks!! I appreciate your website!
Read it.
Very good from a few points of view.
Parts of it sense; others don’t.
Thanks for the post.
Centauri, a good piece. Thanks. I would love to have your ‘sources’…
“The friends of that break-away group are not even physical anymore. They are a couple steps further than earth human(s) current density evolution. They are untouchable to the technologically advanced, foreign interlopers…”
There was a youngster-movie somewhere back (can’t remember the title), where two multidimensional-beings sniffed haughtily and one proclaimed, “Only primitive species travel in starships…” I didn’t know whether to pick my jaw back up or roll-over laughing…
Centauri, I tried to reply but “Your comment is awaiting moderation.” Utterly non-controversial. Faugh…
goshawks – October 26, 2016 at 6:38 pm.
I wrote off to the government
But I got no reply
They tell us there’s no coverup
But I don’t believe their lies
50 billion planets
There’s gotta be some life
Don’t tell me I’m the only one
Standin’ in the night
I’ve been watchin’ the sky
Waiting for you…
–Saxon, “Watching The Sky” (from the LP “Power & The Glory”
All praise
We found the source of truth
Balthazzar
We found the saucer news!
–Blue Oyster Cult, “E. T. I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence)” (from the LP “Agents of Fortune”)
Thoughts:
Any aliens would only ‘disclose’ to us the equivalent of WWI SPAD fighter or Gotha bomber technology. They are not going to give us anywhere-near current tech. They might even be chortling how they finally unloaded that Model-T UFO on those humans for some gold-pressed latinum. To think that we might be even remotely on-par with their capabilities is rank folly…
Several alien races mentioned in the ‘literature’ are mind-reading races. To go into a ‘negotiation’ with one side mind-reading and the other side dumb-mute on the mind-reading-front and expect a ‘good deal’ is more than folly…
There never was any threat of alien invasion. Classical war. One author pointed out that it would have been much more logical to invade us when all we could fight-back-with was bows-and-arrows or muskets, rather than wait until we had nukes and lasers… (There are other ways of having control, as many readers here know.)
If there WAS any warfare, I would see Earth as some ‘Guadalcanal Island’ equivalent. Earth as a momentary interest for a strategic location or as a supply base. Or even to ‘deny’ it to some other enemy. We are the ‘Guadalcanal Island’ natives. Most of the ‘action’ does not concern us… (This might account for all the ‘alleged’ crashed UFOs.)
As various people go into their last years or on their deathbeds, the temptation to ‘let it all out’ must be enormous. Think of all the Roswell witnesses who made ‘last testaments’ when it didn’t matter if they were knocked-off. I would see Edgar Mitchell’s end-of-life endeavours in that regard. I think he was trying to rock the boat…
We used to think that our planet was precious because of the water. Now we know differently.
What if all this email ‘leaking’ was planned in order to prep the population for a incoming alien invasion. Like, yes we knew about them all along and here they are. But we couldnt come out and tell you up straight so here’s a convulted complicated breadcrumb trail to follow.
As Dr Farrel as mentionned in his books, all the tech that would be needed to put something like that in place, seems already to be here, not up there.
Terrible.. its getting to the point where you cant trust anything anymore..or at least you look twice round the back end before making your mind up..
Personally, I think our planet is precious because of its ‘denseness’. By that, I mean two things:
First, it’s near-endless genetic variation. In a cooking metaphor, we are the ultimate herb garden. I suspect that there are galactic agreements in place such-that if someone looks to seriously degrade this place, the heavies are called-in. (That may include called-in on humans…)
Second, in a more esoteric sense, I think this is a finishing-ground for the Base Chakra. You want to get ‘grounded’, you come here. It is not pretty in the doing and learning. But by the time you ‘graduate’, not much will knock you off-center…
(I have wondered if the human population is under some kind of ‘forcing-function’. This would be if something ‘immutable’ was coming-up in our future, and we had best be capable of meeting it. Could be a killer asteroid. Could be some alien-battlefield ‘front line’ getting close. Etc. It just feels like we are being ‘hot-housed’ to a fare-thee-well…)
Enjoy reading your various perspectives from several viewpoints.
Thanks for your compliment in the Wikileaks-Vatican comments section, goshawks. (I ran out of Replies there.) I’ve often wondered about our “pressure cooker” Earth as well. I even joined an online Near Death Experience group, though I haven’t had an NDE myself, in hopes of gathering evidence as to what this three-dimensional prison is all about.
But I found few insights there. Most members seemed suspended in a sort of low-grade reverie and were either unable or unwilling to break it down intellectually and thereby get grounded back to our reality. For them everything here should be about unconditional love, just as they’d experienced it after death.
For myself, I’ve found unconditional love proves to be dysfunctional down here; though it sounds great in theory; and I suspect these NDErs found themselves right back here on Earth precisely because they weren’t able to remain grounded in the loving presence of what they experienced as God, or Source.
But what bothered me most was their contention that we all CHOSE to be here — in fact mapped out these lives in advance — and yet we all somehow have lessons to learn anyway. What kind of pedantic, mechanical, remedial crap would that be? (I still don’t have good answers myself but very pointed questions for whomever, or whatever, I with detachment face on the other side.)
Daryl, I read about NDErs having trouble with coping with earth-plane after their experience, too. Some were giving away all their possessions in pure love. Cool, but where do you live after that? One support-group actually worked to stop them from doing that, until they were ‘re-grounded’.
Your last paragraph is about where I am, also. Why bother? I also plan on some very pointed questions, with or without brandishing something with a point… (grin)
Thank you for a fresh and sound perspective on Disclosure. We don’t want our “friendly aliens” to be from the Dark Side!
From George Adamski to Roswell, the ET/UFO has rolled on for almost 60 years, but there’s one thing that most people forget. As far as the US is concerned, this issue is the MOST TOP SECRET of all top secrets. I’m not talking about the US government here, but “the others”, like rogue elements of the NSA and NRO. Also some high level contractors such as Lockheed Martin and SAIC. So these organizations would not blink an eye to stop any “disclosure” of the secret, and that includes ANYTHING or ANYBODY. So if we see any attempt to bring it out, then it will be SNUFFED OUT, smelling rats is easy from here on in.
PS: I’m waiting of the 3rd quarter wrap-up part 2 with CAF
“the US government made a conscious decision 50 years ago to “remove knowledge of the extraterrestrial presence from the citizens of our country.”
Because only the US government were honoured enough to meet with our three eyed green galactic neighbours and have the authority to do inform the rest of the world (yes there is life beyond the US). You couldn’t make this stuff up! That statement alone is enough to convince me any ETI contact is utter tosh and that it’s more likely manufactured in a DUMB test tube or a pact with something more sinister has been made. Judging by the elites pschotic behaviour and interest with the occult the latter has the edge at present.
I think it is very probably there are more ET civilizations out there, not just one (be that a good or bad one for humans).
And if they are advanced enough to come here they very probably are way more advanced than what human science can or even knows here on Earth. They can range from a level where their abilities or technologies will seem magical to us, up to the level humanity is, compared to them, like ants are to us, humans cannot understand or even consciously interact with such super-civilizations (or mostly can barely see some glimpses of them).
There won’t be any “Independence Day” like invasion, or is extremely unlikely, as “they” should be way more advanced than that, you can’t beat them with planes and missiles that we have today.
About why ET, or at least some of them, don’t want humans breaking things around here, well, that can be speculated a lot. Maybe somebody else “own” this place, maybe humans are simply livestock of some sort and valuable as such.
Maybe here is just a live “theme” or “amusement park” where they come to have fun with real, live people through history and various times and societies (that they might create or influence), like we have with computer games or virtual reality.
Maybe all of the above
If ET’s visiting here exist then they have no reason to bother us. There is no shortage of anything in the Galaxy, especially for a civilization with the tech to travel anywhere in the galaxy at will. And if they have the tech to do that then they most likely have the tech to make as much of any element they may desire out of just about any available element from space rocks much easier than mining naturally occurring ores on environmentally hostile worlds. The only reason to visit Earth would be to study it and keep track of our progress. Some could possibly have a motive to re-terra form our world to colonize it but I suspect if they had the manpower and tech to do that then they could more easily do it on world without hostile microbes and life forms already on it.
I too find the ideas they came for gold or whatever minerals, and for that they genetically modified primitive humans to work as slaves-miners for them as really silly.
Especially when we talk about beings with an incredible technological level.
The theories I find more plausible are that humans are the ones “mined” or better said “harvested”. More exactly, the ET (which are genetically compatible with humans) don’t use anymore the cycle we use here. They simply collect souls (after the material body “death”) and introduce them in new already grown adult physical bodies they made in genetic or cloning factories.
Humanity just produce souls/astral bodies in numbers, for them, and we can see clues in various religions, mythologies, even interpretations of history or genetics. With around 500 millions deaths per year, they have quite a good harvest.
Dr Farrell mentioned Jaques Valle, and he is one among few who connect what is considered today as ET or aliens with ancient or medieval stories about supernatural or fantastic beings (gods, nymphs, fairies, giants, elves, dwarfs, angels, demons etc etc)
Isn’t this “disclosing” rumor not a repeat what was dangled/promised before at Linda Moulton Howe when she was young? Wasn’t she then chosen as spokesperson stringalong of “disclosing” that never came?
Grew up with the startrek and starwars stuff but don’t think any benevolant alien is at our doorstep. If anything, my starchart would have the earth crossed in red as a no fly zone, to dangerous, to primitive and outright sick crazy people not to be engaged in at all. That often spoken about quarantine zone sounds more sensible.
Most humans have a limited spectral view, so life as we see it is more likely to be limited, very limited. For me there is more reality to it that our so called aliens live directly ouside our spectral view therefore not so alien in terms of belonging on or in earths sfere. If scriptures are anything to go by far older too.
Infighting seem a long lived passtime for them too and humanity has embraced the long existing fray in some form or another no daubt. That makes the mafia round table very colorfull but not exactly really from “out there” alien.
It seems more of never dust settling old problem, a very old problem with a never ending factional infighting taking place at least from my tiny perspective and knollage.
They’ve been setting the stage for this so-called invasion, a long time in coming. Somethin g is, and has been rotten in high circles of power for far too long.
They’re selling us a bunch of high-tech wizardry bull that will read like a shoe repair shop in the sky:
We will heel you!
We will save your soul!
We will even dye for you!
It’s all a con job.
Staying on theme of telling signs; Clinton’s campaign reads like a septic tank truck commercial:
Yesterday’s meal on wheels.
Hey Robert – if her campaign bus is anything to do by, she has no problem dumping her waste into the water supply 🙂 yes, I know, she wasnt on the bus at that time..
Remember Von Brauns words.. Terrorists, Nations of Concern, Meteorites then Aliens. The Aliens are coming…
At least one ancient text, in its last book, warns of a “strong delusion”. Many believe that these “aliens” are something else entirely. Many ancient texts speak of a war in heaven and less than benevolent beings descending to earth and interbreeding with humanity. That war is still ongoing and promises to involve mankind in its conclusion.
I would be very skeptical of any aid from “aliens” of any type, especially when they are communicating exclusively with the corrupt leadership of earth. Any “benevolent” aliens would, most likely, just announce their presence to the entire population.
It is possible that the elite are planning some sort of “holographic” Hollywood production in order to obtain world domination. I wouldn’t put it past them to attempt such a deception using religious beliefs to further their agenda. If they plan on such a deception, and are using foretold events in their “production”, we are in for some very nasty times ahead with a serious reduction in population, plagues of GMO’s, and other “wonders”, all of which are within our “capabilities”.
WHY.. do you think any alien intervention on Earth would be from benevolent Space Brothers? (probably with blue hair and blond eyes.. heheh – yes personally I’m blond haired, blue eyed, Rhesus Negative and my first son has red hair, blue eyes and left handed and my 2nd son is 14 months old and already has all his teeth.. (Im looking to see if a second set pop out..and extra fingers and toes start growing… hehe)
If we take Sitichen’s translations to heart.. The last time Aliens came down, they genetically modified the local lifeforms to turn them into slave labour. They used those slaves as cannon fodder in their wars that thermo nucleared the local population into pillars of salt. They considered pro-creation with their own famliy members as something that needed to be done.. (But they had very specific rules about it to ensure that the mtDNA didnt get mixed up and create village idiots.. (this is where the Pharoahs went wrong. Either no one told them about mtDNA, or they were told and they didnt understand..(or care, maybe they were disgusted by the idea of mixing it up with the local ‘clay’ which they probably should have done and then they wouldnt have turned into idiots that did nothing whilst their empire burned around them..)
Why do we insist on applying what we consider our moral template on other alien races? This is probably where a lot of people get a culture shock when they see what politicians get upto.. (Im talking about Bohemia Grove, Satan worship. (what a joke) Child Abuse… starting international wars to fill their pockets..)
Actually I’m more of a “something wicked this way came” at the beginning of it all and has been here all along kinda guy. Call me foolish if you will, but it appears that “end time programming” mentioned in ancient texts is being used as more of a template for world domination. Nothing like a “Hollywood production” in the sky to convince people to go along with it. Toss in some genetically modified organisms for plagues; pollute the oceans/river/lakes with toxic waste and radioactivity, maybe even dye them red for effect; and add a nuclear holocaust to the mix and get the Vatican to proclaim “He” has returned to set up your global dictatorship and viola it’s a done deal.
Who really needs actual “aliens” to accomplish any of this, benevolent or otherwise. We have the technology. The question is, can we match the show which has been foretold.
been thinking childhood’s end (and just about every other lit on the planet) is all about predictive programming
that is programming of us
neil sanders immediately comes to mind.
Perhaps the secretive brotherhood of the Priests kept that bit of mtDNA information to themselves? The priesthood would not have been subject to the same rules of breeding as the pharoahs and this could have been used as a way to control the ruling families. Mystery schools indeed!
It should go without saying that Podesta isn’t to be trusted. His publicly expressed interest in UFOs, when combined with both a managing “complicity” in the Clinton campaign and what now seems an attempt to exclude the President from Mitchell’s disclosure, makes it more likely than not that he’s acting as the Clinton point man for anyone foolish enough to hand over their UFO information. (It should also go without saying that if she herself were a human-hostile reptilian, such a disclosure would prove infinitely more foolish.)
One need not attribute the rise of deep state technology exclusively to human engineering nor exclusively to UFO back-engineering. As humans approached their own understanding of electro-gravitics, this would have also been an appropriate time for UFOs to establish a global balance of knowledge and therefore also a balance of power, even if this meant allowing the capture of a few of their cruder, drone-operated vehicles. (I don’t buy Corso’s explanation that high-energy radar brought down an interplanetary craft at Roswell. I’m not even sure I believe that ANY interplanetary, perhaps even multidimensional vehicle could “crash”, let alone be recovered by us before it were recovered by them.)
This “space war race” therefore may represent an extension of last century’s arms race, one continually re-balanced by interested off-world third parties, even as it accelerates by virtue of our own ingenuity. In this light, if zero-point energy had indeed been offered to one side, then the other side (the Russians?) may have already developed it, whether by dint of their own human ingenuity or via a continuing alien re-balancing. In other words, the aliens may “deal” exclusively with leaders only because it becomes necessary by virtue of the latter’s growing knowledge and ample resources. One gets the reassuring impression, however, that the former have never shown all their cards to any one side.
Hi Daryl. It is my belief that Roswell didnt have any alien tech in it.
I believe… that the flying saucer tech (pinched from the Nazis) simply crashed into a Horten Ho 229 style glider that they just didnt see because of its RAM technology.
The Ex Nazi’s were probably gliding around Roswell to spy on Anti gravity tech. that was ‘stolen/given’ (you say potato.. i say potahto..) to them at the end of WW2 and bim bam boom. Collision mid air. The Ricans recuperated the Glider (in the midst of radioactif debris from the Saucer.. no wonder everyone who touched the bodies died…) and bing bang bong… The BLACKBIRD.
Hang on people… this off WIKI…
“After the war, Reimar Horten said he mixed charcoal dust in with the wood glue to absorb electromagnetic waves (radar), which he believed could shield the aircraft from detection by British early-warning ground-based radar that operated at 20 to 30 MHz (top end of the HF band), known as Chain Home.[10] A jet-powered flying wing design such as the Horten Ho 229 has a smaller radar cross-section than conventional contemporary twin-engine aircraft because the wings blended into the fuselage and there are no large propeller disks or vertical and horizontal tail surfaces to provide a typical identifiable radar signature.[11][4]”
CHARCOAL DUST AND WOOD GLUE !!! This is the ultra high tech technology that foils the radar systems???? BURNT WOOD AND PVA GLUE???? What the heck?? I’ve just fallen off my chair.. that cant possibly be the RAM tech developped?? Can it??
“Engineers of the Northrop-Grumman Corporation had long been interested in the Ho 229, and several of them visited the Smithsonian Museum’s facility in Silver Hill, Maryland in the early 1980s to study the V3 airframe, in the context of developing the Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit. A team of engineers from Northrop-Grumman ran electromagnetic tests on the V3’s multilayer wooden center-section nose cones. The cones are 19 mm (0.75 in) thick and made from thin sheets of veneer. The team concluded that there was some form of conducting element in the glue, as the radar signal attenuated considerably as it passed through the cone.[11] However, a later inspection by the museum found no trace of such material.”
That just sounds suspicious.. Like the Apex stone of the Pyramid…
This sounds exactly like orgonite!
Kahlypso, I don’t understand why the army would have announced the recovery of a flying disc then retracted it a day later unless the original story had been the real one. If they had only wanted to make the Soviets nervous, then they shouldn’t have retracted the story. Instead, they might have announced a day later that a shiny being named Klaatu had emerged from the debris and promised to share his technology with America.
Nor do I understand why the Nazis would have placed their most secret — and by your theory, vulnerable — anti-gravity ship within range of America’s most sensitive research base. In any case, I doubt a collision with a glider could have brought down an anti-gravity ship, as nothing on its exterior could be damaged, e.g. a wing or a rudder; and it may have been travelling within a protective “bubble” anyway.
It’s not unreasonable to assume that some if not all Paperclip Nazis remained in contact with their Argentinian ex-pat brethren; it’s therefore likely that no need existed to spy on the New Mexico research from above (inefficient), let alone using their best technology. One must also ask: Why, if they were so close to developing a functional anti-gravity ship replete with miniaturized modern components, were they unable to take over the world only three years prior? Or why didn’t they do so in 1947, long before Americans had back-engineered the Roswell wreckage?
what makes you think they didn’t take over the world?
Putin’s actions clearly indicate otherwise. The Nazis desired to take the world by open force, triumphantly, not by slinking around in its shadows via the American CIA. Had they possessed the means to dominate the world as its superior race, e.g. a fleet of anti-gravity ships and a wicked arsenal derived from that technology, they would have done so.
I have no idea where the Nazis rank in power today relative to any other secretive group. Are the Jesuits influencing American policy any less, or the Zionists? Perhaps Nazism today represents only an outdated fascist subset — a group of bitter racial purists long since expelled from their nationalist origin: puppets and paraders.
Nazism is not a shadow ideology. Likely it was long ago bastardized into a deep state hybrid — one indeed born of Nazi ingenuity but then interbred with American idealism to create a realpolitik, many-tentacled beast, a monster not only possessed of a strong neo-conservative face but of priceless golden wings mighty enough to escape the bounds of Earth.
Daryl, that was a great comment, almost poetic in parts. Thanks. I think that we overlook the multi-generational effect. Like it or not, time moves on. We are now down a few generations from the original movers and shakers. What have their descendants become? What does a Nazi-offspring ‘Boomer’, ‘GenerationX’, or ‘Millennial’ look like? How have they ‘hybridized’ with the greater culture?
@Dayrl – They had to annonce a Saucer Wreakage because the soldiers around the base were particulary clumsy and the CIA hadnt beaten down the hatches yet with security protocol. (that came soon after)
The news article came out because the disc (and a 2nd ship that is never if rarely ever talked about) bellyflopped down in a privately owned ranch that had its owner picking over the wreakage. The army brought in civilians to recuperate the bodies due to the medical nature of bodies lying on the floor.. Who were then rushed to hospital due to ‘Im gonna say it… radioactive’ poisoning. They left a mess all over the place and needed something to explain why they were doing it. That they retracted and edited the story later says more about the militarys botched up communications, confusion and general incomptence. Yes, even in the Military they have incomptent bumbling fools. But most of them have been vetted. If they are too stupid they get pushed into politics.
You need to get into context Daryl. We may have to thank Daarpa for the Internet (all hail mighty Google) because before it was put into place, communication from the hilly hinterlands of Argentina to the barren desert of Nevada was still pretty much a tall order even for Fallen Nazis. And Roswell was 12 years after WW2, who knows how the splinter groups evolved during that time. The Nazi party was only in power for about that much time and look how far they managed to come on. (see Dr Farrel’s books for info if you havent read them yet, I dont want to steal his thunder :)) Imagine how different the technologies would have become in the 2 splinter groups without the War getting in the way.
No then.. Why didnt the Nazi’s win? Well personally I’m of the opinion that they did win. Look at the mess the world is in today.
No, joking aside. The Nazi’s weren’t able to take full advantage because they were missing literally a few weeks of production time. And they suffered a lack of trained personnel to use them. Im not sure how an anti-grav Aerodyne is piloted, but Im sure it takes some training, and that takes time as well.
And then the Russians arrived.
At which point Hitler and Krammler jumped into the Bell and time vaulted the heck out of there.. (:) thats just me being silly)
Didn’t know that ETs, the “good ones” or the “bad ones” have views on abortion–I guess there’s the whole idea of conception being descent into the material world. And some ETs, should they exist, may want control of that material world and the bodies in it–shades of Scientology/Sitchin here. Prior to the 1860s, the Catholic Church wasn’t anti-abortion, pre-the quickening–which is a soul’s descent into a body of a well developed babe in the womb. And evangelical Protestants didn’t find the objection to abortion until the 1970s–more seeming to be about control of women and wombs than the life, or soul, of the child.
Mitchell has always seemed to be someone put out there making sure the public doesn’t ask questions like “well where does gravity come from?” What would be the medium that carries this Noetic information you report?” He’s certainly arranged some interesting conferences and speakers, but avoids the idea of human gravity control, or any suggestion it was tried ever–1880, 1890, 1914, various in the 1930s and 40s. And there remains the problem that the LEM didn’t kick up dust and cover its landing gear with said dust when the LEM landed on the dust of the moon.
As they say, “everything goes”. This could include the Pope baptising a couple of “Martians” (by sprinkling or full immersion?) , with a certain presidential candidate standing by as godmother…
More from Jim Stone
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Since the Podesta ET email leak. Jim Stone reminds us:
“Hologram projection heads up
There have been numerous posts to various forums about individuals seeing the night sky light up blue in various places, followed by the sound of a trumpet. The first of these reports came out of Israel, and there have been numerous follow up reports from other places. The reports could all be hoaxes, BUT, consider this –
It is a confirmed fact that during the wars against Iraq, American forces successfully projected an image of God into the sky, and made it vocalize, telling Iraqi forces to surrender under command from God. So if you ever see anything of the sort, remember we can fake it and it does not matter if it is a UFO attack, God appearing, an asteroid, or fire and brimstone from heaven. 100 percent of everything so far has been FAKE FAKE FAKE. Logic has it that anything new will be FAKE.
If you ever, and I mean EVER see any kind of alien or other threat from the sky, followed by government action that restricts the people, don’t go along with it. Remember, when the images were projected into the sky in Iraq, ALL CELL PHONES COULD DO IS BEEP. And back then, those images they used to fool Iraq were convincing enough to work. How much better would such technology be now that cell phones can surf the web and play HD video? Though the two topics are not related, CONSIDER HOW FAR TECH HAS COME. I have little doubt they could fake anything in the sky they want, and make you feel it too.
In fact – I would be willing to bet that the average joe could run a hell of a hoax in a very dark area (away from city lights) with only an extremely high end LCD video projector that an average joe would not be likely to get ahold of and low clouds on a dark night. The human eye adjusts for darkness so much that it would probably work if the clouds were low enough. People ought to try doing that to prove to the idiots that they can’t trust what’s “in the sky”. Certainly a large movie theater projector would work for that, and some of the home stuff is getting pretty potent now.”
Chimera
Excellent points!
Another interesting viewpoint on the “Disclosure” of ET. Scroll down the page to pick up the ET research that Ken has done.
Oops…here’s the link: http://redefininggod.com/obama-and-the-2nd-coming/
I don’t really know about this site, myself. The smoke and mirror “plans” he attributes to the elite are a long way from what was foretold would come. Personally, I believe they could do much better than the lame actions he describes. His claim that his outing their plans has altered them is a bit arrogant also. I doubt they pay much attention to him other than to fund his misdirection.
How is this a confirmed fact? I’ve never encountered this story.
chimera the Vatican using technology to influence political events I will give you two examples Charles Stewart Parnell and he Irish home rule movement a image of the mother of Jesus was projected to sway the populist against him. He didn’t help himself when he had a extramarital affair which sank his political career and movement. And before that there is the vision of Our Lady Of Guadalupe that help enslave the indigenous people of Mexico. Mind control techniques go back a very long way in history.