BACKENGINEERING ET CRAFT RECONSIDERED
OK....here's one of my pet peeves. Readers of my books know that generally I tend to the view that Roswell, Kecksburg and such cases, as well as many legitimate UFO sightings, may be rationalized on the basis of exotic off the books human and terrestrial technology. I've been attempting to build this case in particular with my books dealing with Nazi secret weapons and their development of a very different paradigm of physics than the standard model (Q.v. my Reich of the Black Sun, SS Brotherhood of the Bell, Secrets of the Unified Field, the upcoming book with Feral House, The Philosophers' Stone, and yes, a new book I am currently writing and that I hope to have done in the autumn). Some in the UFOlogy community have been quite openminded and receptive about some of my ideas.
That said, I continue to get a certain amount of emails, however, that basically make the following kind of argument: (1) granted that advanced terrestrial, human, and perhaps Nazi technology might be behind some of these events, could it be possible that the Nazis recovered and backengineered a craft of an extra-terrestrial nature? Some of these cite the rumors floating around that something did indeed crash in Nazi Germany ca. 1935 or 1936, and that the Germans recovered it and began to back engineer it. (2) Some of the real cognoscenti cite the statements of Hermann Oberth and Wehrner Von Braun to the effect that the Nazis had had "help," the clear implication being a recovery or actual "contact."
I have two basic types of problems with this whole approach, the one is a problem of detail and corroboration, and the other a more general philosophical problem. As to the first type of problem, I have searched over the years to corroborate the stories of a crash and retrieval effort in Nazi Germany in the 1930s, and simply cannot (to this date anyway), find any. There is, of course, the Italian UFO study group founded by Benito Mussolini, some of whose documents I reproduce in Reich of the Black Sun. But beyond this, there is nothing to corroborate the story. And as far as the remarks of Von Braun and Oberth go, there is nothing in them really to suggest that "ET" was the source of their help. In fact, their remarks are of such a vague and general nature, that almost any type of speculation might be entertained as to what they in fact meant, including one often overlooked by "ET dogmatists," and that is, that these men were merely being cynical, and referring to the thousands of concentration camp laborers who helped bring Nazi secret projects to fruition.
And this brings us to my second, more generalized philosophical problem. I believe I and others have made a strong prima facie case that we simply must take into consideration the wartime advance of exotic technology amongst the various combatants, including principally, of course, Nazi Germany. This is where I find the tendency among the "ET dogmatists" - and I would number a few well-known and respected names among these - to push back the "back engineering" idea further and further into history as more and more evidence of human accomplishment in the fields of exotic physics and technology comes to light. First it was Roswell that was so rationalized; now, with the revelations coming out of Europe in the wake of German reunification and the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, it is the Axis Powers' technology that must be so rationalized. It is as if humanity cannot do anything without the interference and connivance of "ET." While certainly not opposed to the existence of ET - and in fact I do not think some UFO cases can be explained any other way - I certainly am getting sick and tired of this whole approach.
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Dear Dr. Farrell:
You seam to be intrested in the same thing that I’m . Go look at my web page. You might like it.
Hi DR. Farrell, I caught you on c2c tonight. I have to say, I am fascinated. About 20 yrs ago I read a novel entitled “Genisis”. I was wondering if you had read this and what your thoughts were on it. Thanks so much for your time.
I always wondered about the size and shape of the Kecksberg UFO. It just didn’t fit in very well to the usual sighting and in fact it was unique. It’s an awkward fit at best. And recently I heard you on You Tube, probably Coast to Coast, and what you said about it made so much sense. That it was a Nazi bell device that was being test flown and got side-tracked somehow.
Roswell is a different story as it is a pretty open and shut case with every indication it was as spaceship from another planet that crashed there, in fact, there were 2. It is also an open and shut case that the Redfern story was a hoax started by 6 shady disinformation agents with the collusion of Redfern who promotes the psychic projection explanation for UFOs so doesn’t have much credibility.
As for the Nazi situation, I never heard of anything solid or substantial that they had back-engineered a crashed UFO. There were rumours to the effect that there was somekind of saucer crash in the Black Forest in ’36. But this is a crash that doesn’t have much evidence for it, is not on my list of credible cases and is not included in Magic Eyes Only by Ryan Wood nor in Kevin Randle’s History of UFO Crashes, and it isn’t much time in which to back-engineer, in any case, so, although it’s possible they did, it doesn’t look very probable.
Roswell was hoax and mind control scam from its’ very inception perpetrated by U.S. Army Intel and paperclipped Nazi’s to endlessly distract the public away from manmade Tesla saucers and their obvious threat to the hydrocarbon economy. It was a low-end low tech botch job involving rhesus monkies in phony spacesuits with contrived media hype in an ongoing unrelenting decoy to keep the public fixated on a grand lie of delusion. Namely, the association of man made saucer p2 technology with phony nonsensical ET’s hence the decades of CIA generated tripe via, movies, television shows, books etc. reinforcing the big lie. The best book written on this subject exposing this contrived correlation is “Pentagon Aliens” by William R. Lyne. An absolute must read for anyone seeking an accurate understanding of what UFO’s are literally about and the ridiculous connection to phony ET’s.
Hello Dr. Farrell. Richard Hoagland gave high praise to your scholarship in his recent book and I certainly agree with that. I think, however I must disagree about the Nazis and Roswell. Too much points to ETs. Off the top of my head I will give a few reasons.
The location New Mexico where pioneer nuclear technology began, exactly what ETs concerned about our actions would monitor. The many accounts of small bodies including those by the nurses and coroner and in death bed confessions. (Col Pappy Henderson) The highly advanced material-immensely strong shape shifting foil- Of course the Nazis may have invented that, but more likely aliens. Hieroglyphic symbols
also seen at other crashes. No earthly language or symbols seen. Certainly no German. Other factors that tie in such as testimony of colonel Corso and MANY others, all of it tying in with an extraterrestrial technology. I could list many more, but I don’t want to take up too much space. Anyway, I have “Brotherhood of the Bell” and I look forward to reading it and your other books. Best regards.
You guys need to read an interesting book called ‘Final Events and the Secret Government Group on Demonic Ufos and the Afterlife’ by Nick Redfern.
Hi Dr. Farrell.
While I was reading Redfern’s book, I made an observation that may have some potential for theorising why the Nazis were in the vicinity of Roswell in 1947.
On page 20 of chapter 3 ‘Be Careful, they bite’, Redfern outlines how Jack Parsons (the infamous rocket scientist-chemist etc) along with Goddard and Frank. J. Malin, were conducting rocket experiments etc at Roswell in the 1930’s. Though Redfern states that this ‘research’ was moved in some part to White Sands, could it be that Parsons was investigating Alchemical research heading in the direction of the German Physics behind the Bell etc?
Could it be that Parsons, Goddard and Co via their strong connection to Occult investigations (which would dovetail towards the strong Occult roots behind the Nazi Bell programme etc) have been either in communication with the extra territorial Nazis in South America via the Paper Clip Nazis, or of great interest to the Paper Clip Nazis as an independent programme that the Nazis had to do some aerial recon about?
A lot of ‘could it be’ I know, but perhaps ‘the Devil is really in the details’
Demons, nephilim, fallen angels, trying to sort out what to do with your Jews; it’s all the same thing really.
It sounds something like: in attempts to misuse certain methods some people go into a certain ‘space’ from which they can operate against universal laws. The problem is that in order to become that way inclined you lose access to knowledge about how to do tech properly.
The way I resolve the problem of ‘is it from aliens etc or did people make it’ is to view the nature of being incomplete enough to have to find anything out, as meaning that you either ‘fell’ or somehow got into a ‘fallen’ world – ie if you weren’t fallen or in a fallen reality then you would be the same as what an ET is. ‘fallen’ being a kind of forgetfulness, amnesia of truth (and unable to exactly prove anything beyond certain criteria), occlusion (from the same root as the word ‘occult’ meaning ‘hidden’).
Why is it hidden – because it would be misused; your knowledge and understanding of it would become known to those who would misuse it.
(it is also perfectly reasonable that having a culture w/o certain technologies doesn’t mean they are unable to comprehend that many other cultures could exist that have all kinds of things they don’t have / don’t need anyway / never really considered but hey that sounds interesting: and that kind of far saner attitude seems to be the one many tribal folks have towards beings they say are more advanced tech-wise and they have met them. I just mean to draw a distinction between ‘fallen’ and less complex lifeforms, cultures, consciousness’.
Or maybe like more sensible kids who also have decent parents, when they’re told they need to wait a while before they’re allowed to know about x,y,z then they actually listen to who tells them that and don’t try to disobey them and steal their car when they haven’t ever driven before – what if ETs are like really really old people who’ve .been there done that., and the tribals just recognise paying attention to that kind of wisdom: which regrettably can also mean that not having encountered a corrupted liars (or possibly just insane) use of false-wisdom, then wrongly trusted a bunch of people that seemed to be technologically advanced)
So when you aren’t fallen, then you can go where you want in timespace and more besides for example, with whatever kind of ship or not. But when you’re in some way fallen then you are limited and you don’t know certain types of things; that intuitively as well as logically you know that someone! ought to know those things, in a provable conveyable manner.
You should be able to go study these things openly on curriculum as with any other subjects.
I think sometimes some peoples get into realms where they are intended to be ‘mined’ for their knowledge, and sometimes they end up inventing things because they don’t realise – well, anything at all! about the nature of reality and what/how they are being used; it all sounds very dramatic and overblown, but it does explain why there are beings who do not know, and why there are beings who know that there’s something funny going on when nobody else knows – out of the whole world.
The idea that you’re the first person to which that has occurred is unbelievable enough, as is the idea that out of all the folks who must have previously realised the same thing – nobody else listened to them enough for it to be a widely held at-least notion.
But in the spirit of unverifiable Nazi occult anecdotes, did anyone else hear the one about Hitler encountering the ubermensch from the future, and that they terrified him?
Dear Dr. Farrell,
First, I’m a big devotee of your books, particularly Reich and Brotherhood. But your aversion to Nazi-ET Reverse Engineering has always been a bit puzzling to me. Even people who have never been exposed to the NETRE scenario will unfailingly remark about the astounding, almost superhuman progress the Germans made during WWII, as if they knew there was something “extra” going on, they just couldn’t put their finger on what it was.
But to say there’s no documentation begs the question of how much documentation there would be for The Bell without Spoerrenberg’s pre-noose confessions. Why is it so hard to believe that the documentation for the reverse-engineering effort went into the same incinerator (or airplane) as the paperwork for The Bell? Surely the Kammlerstab would have kept an even tighter lid the NETRE effort than even The Bell.
There’s also Oberth’s statement (via Corso, granted) when shown the Roswell wreckage to the effect of “Yeah, we’ve seen this before.”
It just seems at times reading your books that the inferential lengths you to go to avoiding the ET Hypothesis wrt the Nazis strains my personal credulity even more than the nature of the ETH itself. In this case it seems like Occam’s Razor points skyward.
With Kind Regards Always,
I haven’t seen it. I’ll have to check it out.
Btw, Please check out my “Eye in the Sky – UFO Music Video Revised” at YouTube:
Dear Mr. Hamm:
No I haven’t seen that movie but it sounds like the sort of B thriller I’d like….check out Ray Stevens’ OUTPOST if you haven’t seen it….shades of the Bell, with real honest to goodness Nazi zombies! 🙂
Dear Dr. Farrell,
Have you ever seen the 1986 film ZONE TROOPERS? This is the only film that I know of that deals with Nazi’s reverse engineering a crashed extraterrestrial spacecraft. It’s a cheesy direct-to-video film. It contains an insect-like alien as well as human-looking aliens.
Movie description: “A group of American G.I.’s fighting behind enemy lines in World War II Europe stumble on an alien spacecraft. One of the extraterrestrial pilots is still alive, and an entire battalion of its fellow beings is on its way to rescue it.”
Perhaps so, bnut unfortunately, there’s not much by way of documentary evidence that they actually practiced rites of conjuration there, at least, not to my knowledge.
The only “extra-terrestrial” help the Nazis received was from the demons they conjured up at Wewelsburg castle…
you mean like the movie ‘hellboy’ ?