I just received this week an interesting book in the mail, one I had ordered for some other research I am conducting on the history of the atomic and hydrogen bombs. The book is Jungck's classic study Brigher Than a Thousand Suns: The Story of the Men Who Made the Bomb. Jungck's study is interesting for the fact that, unlike many histories of the bomb, he goes not only into the contributions made by the usual cast of characters - Nils Bohr, Robert Oppenheimer, Luis Alverez - and so on, but also into the conceptual contributions and roles of the Axis scientists, the Japanese physicist Fukuda, and of course, the Germans Heisenberg, Korsching, and so on.

So needless to say, I anxiously sat down and started reading...and then I ran into this completely unexpected footnote on page 87, that, occurring as it does in the middle of a classic and well-known study of the history of the atom bomb, left me speechless, pondering the implications. Speaking of the German research, the footnote states:

"The only exception to the lack of interest shown by authority (in the atom-bomb) was constituted by the Air Ministry (the Reichsluftministerium, my note). The Air Force (i.e., Luftwaffe) research workers were in a peculiar position. They produced interesting new types of aircraft such as the Delta (triangular) and 'flying discs'. The first of these 'flying saucers' as they were later called - circular in shape, with a diameter of some 45 yards - were built by the specialists Schriever, Habermohl and Miethe. THey were first airborne on February 14, 1945, over Prague and reached in three minutes a height of nearly eight miles. They had a flying speed of 1250 m.p.h. which was doubled in subsequent tests. It is believed that after the war Habermohl fell into the hands of the Russians. Meithe developed at a later date similar 'flying saucers' at A.V. Roe and Company for the United States."

Of course, Jungck's book appeared long before the German reunification, and the evidence that has emerged since then that the Nazi atom bomb program may not have been nearly as incompetent as the post-war Allied Legend made it out to be. And of course, as I argued in Reich of the Black Sun, the Nazi program appears to have been, at its deepest level, conducted  away from the big-name Nazi scientists - Heisenberg, Weizsaecker, Hahn, et al - precisely as a security measure against potential Allied kidnapping or assassination attempts against them. Hence, the "Nazi distinterest" in the atom bomb, the view promoted by standard histories, is just that: a cover deliberately created by the Nazi government, and apparently a successful one, for it is still a component of the Allied Legend, while the reality, as my own research has suggested, is anything but that. And this leads us to the Nazi flying saucers...

While I have always been extraordinarily suspicious of the stories of the alleged Nazi saucers "Hannebu" and "Vril", in fact, consigning them to the bin of "Neo-Nazi hoaxes," I have always had to place the Schriever, Habermohl, and Miethe story - in all its endless variations - in a gray basket, and for a very simple reason: as I detail in Roswell and the Reich, one of their colleagues, Richard Fleissner, actually took out, and was awarded, a US patent for just such a craft, based on work he claims he did for the Nazis at Peenemuende. Fleissner's patent, by his own statements, was essentially a reconstruction of work he says he did in Germany, and notably, his patent application was delayed for the unheard of time of five years, while the USA quietly and secretly developed its own "Project Silverbug," which looks needless to say like a pirated version of Fleissner's design in some respects.

So encountering the old story of Miethe, Habermohl, and Schriever in Jungck's work was a little disconcerting. One wonders if, after all these years, there will ever be any more details emerge that can move the whole story from the gray basket, into one of two resolutions of the story. That said, the whole story of the jet-based flying saucers of Miethe, Habermohl, and Schriever does get rather odd corroboration in the postwar American intelligence memoranda of Generals Schulgen and Twining, as I detail in Roswell and the Reich.

As for the reference in Jungck's footnote about "delta-shaped" triangular aircraft, it is important not to identify this with the delta-shaped UFOs seen so often in the last two decades. For one thing, most of the German designs were by Kurt Tank or Walter Lippisch, and were for high altitude super-sonic ramjet aircraft, and in all of those designs there is nothing to damp the noise such aircraft would have made, whereas the modern "triangle UFO" sightings are usually and typically of very quiet craft with the ability to hover. Ramjets, of course, are neither quiet nor, by the nature of the case, are they capable of hovering since they require a forward thrust even to keep the jet active. So it is important not to confuse the two...

...unless, of course, one wished to maintain that the Zeppelinwerke was constructing triangular shaped rigid-body dirigibles and combining them with novel forms of propulsion that rendered them silent. But that leads to a whole other area of post-war stories...

Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. Pedro A. on February 9, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    Hello dear Joseph. I heard from you in a Coast to Coast AM interview with Georg Norris. It was fantastic as you told on Sumerians and things related with Annunaki. Now I´m currently reading “The Reich of the Black Sun”, I´m in the middle. I also got “The SS Brotherhood of the Bell” and will read when finish the first. I see you are not agreed with the idea of UFO´s extraterrestrial making and I see the lots of prooves you offer to corroborate it. I admire your work and your career. Will get your other books as they´re marvellous researchings. Take care.

  2. ILJA on June 28, 2011 at 7:55 am

    Here’s just from WIKIPEDIA on Thule and its relation to the Hitler’s Party:

    On 5 January 1919 Anton Drexler, who had developed links between the Thule Society and various extreme right workers’ organizations in Munich, together with the Thule Society’s Karl Harrer, established the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (DAP), or German Workers’ Party. Adolf Hitler joined this party later in the same year. By the end of February 1920, the DAP had been reconstituted as the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), or National Socialist German Workers’ Party, generally known as the “Nazi Party”.

    Sebottendorff had by then left the Thule Society, and never joined the DAP or the Nazi Party. Dietrich Bronder (Bevor Hitler kam, 1964) alleged that other members of the Thule Society were later prominent in Nazi Germany: the list includes Dietrich Eckart (who coached Hitler on his public speaking skills and had Mein Kampf dedicated to him) as well as Gottfried Feder, Hans Frank, Hermann Göring, Karl Haushofer, Rudolf Hess, Heinrich Himmler and Alfred Rosenberg.[18] Historian Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke has described this membership roll and other, similar claims as “spurious” and “fanciful”, noting that Feder, Eckart and Rosenberg were never more than guests to whom the Thule Society extended hospitality during the Bavarian revolution of 1918,[19] although he has more recently acknowledged that Hess and Frank were members of the Society before they came to prominence in the Nazi Party.It has also been claimed that Adolf Hitler himself was a member. Evidence on the contrary shows that he never attended a meeting, as attested to by Johannes Hering’s diary of Society meetings.]It is quite clear that Hitler himself had little interest in, and made little time for, “esoteric” matters. (See also Hitler’s Nuremberg speech of 6 September 1938 on his disapproval of occultism.)

    Wilhelm Laforce and Max Sesselmann (staff on the Münchener Beobachter) were Thule members who later joined the NSDAP. Other members were Karl Fiehler, Wilhelm Frick, Michel Frank, Heinrich Jost, Wolfgang Pongratz, Johann Ott, Hans Riemann and Hans-Arnold Stadler.

    the full article:

    • Tbonyandsteak on July 19, 2011 at 2:33 pm

      Like to add
      “The flying machine project
      The concept of “alternative science” matured in this time and the following years(after 1919). Because of the financing difficulties it took three years until the flying machine project started taking shape. By 1922, parts for the machine began arriving independently from various industrial sources paid in full by Thule and Vril.”

      If this is true, then they started with prototyping already in 1922. Which would also mean they had theories and drawing ready already back then.
      That would also mean it is only the top of the iceberg that is uncovered.
      Who knows what they also had made.

  3. marcos anthony toledo on June 24, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    The idea of the Nazis high tailing to the Moon in a science fiction novel is nothing new Robert Heinlien wrote a novel along thoughs line but that saucers were even mention in a book about the making of the bomb is new to me but not the name of the book I know about the book for many years . About the coating on the saucers my bet it was a backup to the main protection which would have a force field my hunch it field might have negated the noise of the propulsion system.

  4. ILJA on June 24, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Dr. Farrell, I’m just reading “The Brotherhood of the Bell”, the place where you’re citing MJ -12 documents. Well, my question regards the first two of them, the both are from 1947 year. Having that in mind, please keep your attention to the last paragraph of the first document (don’t remember the exact sounding of it’s title) where at the end several organizations as its recipients are listed and, most shockingly, NASA among them! How could that occur in a document from ’47, when NASA – as it well-known- was formed in 1958, i.e. 11 years earlier. In the next following report, describing technical features of the “unindentified” flying object – also from the very same year of 1947 – in some paragraph there are indications to a certain geometry of a wing, designed by… NASA (!). Again, how could that appear in 1947, when NASA was started later on??? Could here guess be made that a guy who arranged that document was not aware of simple things? How would you explain that?

    • ILJA on June 28, 2011 at 6:26 am

      Cha-cha, what an idiot I am 😀 😀 😀 1958 of course is not “earlier” that 1947, but is later ! 😀 😀 😀 I wasn’t drunk I was out of range that particular moment of time when I wrote what I have obtained just now while re-viewing my own comment 😀 😀 😀

  5. Bill Speer on May 24, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Dear Dr. Farrell,

    (I hope that I am posting this in the right place). As I was perusing the news, I came across an article discussing a claim by Annie Jacobsen (author of Area 51: An Uncensored History of America’s Top Secret Military Base) that the Roswell incident was actually a crashed Soviet spacecraft and that the child-sized individuals aboard it were really the results of human experiments by Josef Mengele. The article also mentions that this view was strongly taken to task and criticized by another author, Bill Lyne. I have not read either author.

    Here is the url:

    As an occasional visitor to your website and as well as a listener to the Byte Show, I am aware that you have proposed a possible relationship between Nazi Germany and certain UFO occurrences. I wonder if you have any opinions on Jacobsen’s claim. I offer my apologies if you have previously dealt with this.

    Best wishes,

    • Joseph P. Farrell on May 24, 2011 at 12:24 pm

      From what little I know of her book, it’s mostly anonymous whistleblower type testimony… and I believe the book is largely spin to take the focus off of more documented research

      • Po Han on June 24, 2011 at 1:53 pm

        Begging for donations on your website? How unseemly. perhaps you should write yet ANOTHER book, maybe this one about how bedbugs are a Nazi plot to demoralize the US. Unfounded suppositions, jumping to conclusions, etc., that’s what you deal in, perhaps you’re an agent provocateur, spreading disinformation, a classic tactic of the “Nazi” CIA. While I may agree with some of your conclusions, you saying that that the evil Nazi’s “gassed” 60,000 people a day, and that the Nazi’s had the bomb but, inexplicably, did not use it in combat, shows that you either don’t know what you are talking about, or are simply a liar.

  6. Daisy on May 3, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    • Kathie on May 3, 2011 at 7:42 pm

      WOW, Daisy nice find really interesting article it corroborates Dr. Farrell’s books. I realized that the first part talks about making movie which will be out next year:

      “New movie Iron Sky, due out next year, tells the story of Nazis escaping to the moon to regroup for a new attempt at world domination.”

      Escaping to the Moon… break-a-way

      • Archytype on May 9, 2011 at 5:41 am

        oh, yes I saw that also. very interesting.

        i like the concept of that, makes for a good movie yarn. that in the main will not be seen as plausible to have actually happened either!

    • Archytype on May 9, 2011 at 5:34 am

      wow, the sun reported that. pity this newspaper in the Uk is the brunt of jokes about its poor level of journalism and questionable stories.

      but having said that, this is not the first time i have seen a story in the sun newspaper that is fascinating like this.

      I possibly would not believe it if it were not for the fact that JP Farrell has already authored a book about it, with very good sources.

      in any case, i find articles like this do indeed support the general theory that the NAZIS were indeed up to something quite advanced and have many levels of truth in there too.

  7. Ellirium113 on April 6, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Dr. Farrell, have you checked into any of the other saucer technologies? I was curious if the Victalen armoring these disc craft utilized was real and if was still in use…I found this very interesting:

    The early Haunebu I craft of which two prototypes were constructed were 25 meters in diameter, had a crew of eight and could achieve the incredible initial velocity of 4,800 km/h, but at low altitude. Further enhancement enabled the machine to reach 17,000 km/h.

    Flight endurance was 18 hours. To resist the incredible temperatures of these velocities a special armor called Victalen { Frozen Smoke } was pioneered by SS metallurgists specifically for both the Haunebu and Vril series of disc craft. The Haunebu I had a double hull of Victalen. {Frozen Smoke developed in the 30’s}

    August 20, 2007

    Scientists Claim ‘Frozen Smoke’ As Material That Will Change The World

    Scientists are calling it a material for the 21st century that could protect your home against bomb blasts (in the laboratory, a metal plate coated in 6mm of aerogel was left almost unscathed by a direct dynamite blast), mop up oil spillages and even help man to fly to Mars. It’s one of the world’s lightest solids, can withstand a direct blast of 1kg of dynamite and protect against heat from a blowtorch at more than 1,300 C.

    It’s real name is Aerogel, but it is nicknamed “frozen smoke.” It’s made by extracting water from a silica gel, then replacing it with gas such as carbon dioxide. And it may even eventually be used to make hydrogen-based fuels.

    Some call it “Blue Smoke,” it’s about 1/10 the weight of styrofoam, and pound for pound it’s more expensive than gold.

    Here’s what happens when a piece of conventional armor-grade polymethyl methacrylate (PMMA) is hit by a high-momentum projectile (the momentum is eight times higher than that of a .45-caliber bullet).

    After seeing the above video, now look at this one showing what happens when a piece of polymethyl methacrylate (PMMA) made with aerogel is hit by the same type of high-momentum projectile as seen in the above video.

    Big difference!

    More on AEROGEL:

    Any thoughts?

  8. Thomas Marz on March 12, 2011 at 8:28 am

    WOW! fascinating.

  9. DD on February 8, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    See also Henry Steven’sbook Hitler’s Flying Saucers.

  10. MattB on February 3, 2011 at 1:18 am

    Great article (really a forward) by Rainer Karlsch concerning the nazi Atom bomb:

    I have to say that the Atom bomb research and the bell material are very exciting areas of study.

  11. Justina on February 2, 2011 at 1:37 pm
    Apparently back in 1978, some electromagnetic weaponry was
    tested and went wrong, unless the intention was to test on a
    population, in Newfoundland. This isn’t exactly relevant here, but
    while the assumption (as far as i got through the film) is that it was
    a Cold War experiment, it is also possible that someone not
    representing a normal government’s military, was testing something
    on their own. It is very odd.

  12. Jim on February 1, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    I am very fascinated by the subject of physics and other sciences.
    I was wondering if the subject of “Spin Resonance” applies here and how it effects gravitation when it comes to mass. If the electrons are spun to a resonant frequency, does the mass as whole get lighter in relation to earths (or another celestial body’s) gravitational pull?

  13. Maximus on February 1, 2011 at 2:44 am

    So Mr. Farrell what are your opinions of people like Andreas Epp or viktor schauberger? Isn’t there good info on a Third reich/UFO connection with these people too or no?

    • Joseph P. Farrell on February 1, 2011 at 12:14 pm

      Both of these are legit in my opinion… What you have is essentially the statements or testimonies of Epp, Schriever, and Schauberger’s family… for a long time it was only Schriever… so, take that for whatever it is worth…

  14. MattB on February 1, 2011 at 2:21 am

    1250mph…….hasn’t a similar speed been mentioned a few times in odd places?

    Does anyone know where I can purchase Witkowski’s book on the Wunderwaffe that won’t cost half a year’s salary?

    Anyone read Rainer karlsch’s book Für und wider “Hitlers Bombe”: Studien zur Atomforschung in Deutschland?

  15. LSM on January 31, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Hi Dr. Farrell,

    I realize this is off-topic at the moment but I just want to thank you for your tremendous work-

    I’m a former NE Ohioan who was been living and working in Germany (among many other places) since 1976 as an opera-singer (no shit)-

    I first became aware of you thanks to the good folks at projectcamelot- your “Nazi International” is absolutely monumental, and I just finished “Babylon’s Banksters”- this book needs trumpeting around the world-

    because I never studied physics (music theory was enough of a ‘physic’ for me) I wasn’t sure if I was grasping everything you wrote in BB until you got to the first bit about the “Well Tampered-With Keyboard” (well said) and then the coin in my brain suddenly fell down the slot-

    enough said-

    please keep up your tremendous work- I’m just chomping at the bit for your next two releases- hey, guy, “keep on truckin!’ 🙂

    many regards,


    Freiburg, Germany

    • Joseph P. Farrell on January 31, 2011 at 5:44 pm

      Thanks Larry… musical tempering was the FIRST unified field theory in physics…. but it happened MILLENNIA earlier than standard historical models allow (believe it or not)

      • LSM on February 3, 2011 at 11:44 am

        Hi Dr. Farrell,

        thank you very so much for your very generous response-

        oh, hey, I don’t doubt anything upon which you expound- yes, I also believe (gut instinct) that humanity has been around since MILLENNIA and that musical tampering/temporing goes farther back, beyond standard historical models- sort of scary, isn’t it, considering our present wretched state of affairs on this planet, i.e., how out of tune/harmony we are with the universe?)-

        if you at some point in the future could expand upon/document your research on how far back musical temporing occurred and that it was the very first unified theory that would just be so wonderful-

        yeah, we all know that “in the beginning there was the word” exists in the Bible- enough said-

        again, please keep up your tremendous work!- I will continue to follow you and your remarkable work like a road map-

        many regards,


        Freiburg, Germany

        • Joseph P. Farrell on February 3, 2011 at 11:34 pm

          I am trying….only so much I can do at one time but I am planning to say more about it in the book I am writing now

  16. Justina on January 31, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    “unless, of course, one wished to maintain that the Zeppelinwerke was constructing triangular shaped rigid-body dirigibles and combining them with novel forms of propulsion that rendered them silent.”

    This would be rather similar to the Dellschau stuff in concept though not
    in appearance. Balloons for lift and some kind of propulsion to make go, if
    I recall right.

  17. chris stibrany on January 31, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Strange that a mainstream book would even mention such a topic . Maybe more people really are waking up to outside-the-box possibilities.

  18. Vincent DeWald on January 31, 2011 at 8:22 am

    I love reading books anfd finding things you’ve never expected to find in them. Reference to the Nazi saucers in a book about the atomic bomb. Awesome. Can’t wait to hear what these new books you are working on are. Great research!

    • Joseph P. Farrell on January 31, 2011 at 5:45 pm

      Actually, don’t misunderstand that reference to saucers in that book, the references doesn’t make them TRUE…. it just makes the story only that much more CONVOLUTED

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