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SHUTTLE CHALLENGER WAS A TURNING POINT

Last week was the twenty-fifth anniversary of the space shuttle Challenger disaster:

  Challenger Disaster Was Turning point for NASA

I well remember where I was when it happened: I was in the United Kingdom, in the second year of reading for my doctorate at Oxford. To this day, whenever I see pictures or videos of the explosion, I get a knawing saw feeling in the pit of my stomach.

The loss of those brave people was and is a reminder that manned space exploration is a dangerous affair. As the article points out, the disaster brought home the risks of space flight, to such an extent that a certain timidity has marked the American manned space program since then.

For other reasons, President Obama cancelled the NASA program for a manned mission returning to the Moon and then for forther manned expeditions to Mars.  But it is clear, to this author at least, that during this anniversary of the disaster, that we need to focus national and political attention on our space program and in particular our manned space program.

Since Apollo we have, as the article states, been "stuck in low earth orbit" when, essentially, there is no good reason to do so. What is curious, however, is that Russia has followed a similar course.  Neither nation - while certainly capable of doing so - has launched any further manned expeditions to the Moon, and one must wonder, why?

With the entrance of China into the narrow list of nations conducting manned flights, we can expect that Europe, Japan, and India will not be far behind, and each of those has already sent sophisticated unmanned probes to the Moon and, in Europe's case, to Mars.

We would do well, in my opinion, to set a new national, Kennedy-like direction for NASA, doing, as the article suggests, the "hard things," to go to the Moon, even to establish a permanent presence there, and then on to Mars. During a time that the economy is suffering and genuine manufacturing jobs are fleeing overseas, we would do well to remember the tremendous technological growth, dividends, and benefits that the Apollo program paid to this country. By reinvigorating our space program as a long-term investment in our technological future, we can reinvogorate our economy.

We need a new vision for NASA, Mr. President, and you can provide it.

38 thoughts on “SHUTTLE CHALLENGER WAS A TURNING POINT”

  1. I dunno. As it is, Dr. Farrell starts a subject, and we comment and
    comment on comments, and things sometimes start moving a bit
    afield, but some structure is built in. Like, when I wanted to bring
    something up, that would be relevant over all, I had to scramble
    to find a thread to fit it in.

    but given some of the subjects that have already started debate,
    if this was a message board it would be a month or several
    weeks maximum before it would dither out into the comparative
    virtues of libertarianism vs. democrats vs. republicans and here
    comes some preterist Identity Christian and here comes a
    multi level marketer who would sneak a plug in the middle of
    a normal appearing post, and then a wave of dispute about free
    market vs. netiquette and the remote viewers and guys who’ve
    been to Mars and someone advertising sexual services to
    aliens……

  2. Joseph,

    A message board is the perfect companion to your blog The stimulating nature of your website demands it :).

    Ps, I know a great moderator.

  3. Going back to where I was on that day, I was home from work due to weather that afternoon. I watched it all live, and remember seeing a small bright orb to the left
    of the exploded Challenger as it arced to the right. The commentators excitedly remarked that this could be the ejected command capsule with astronauts aboard.
    they went on about it being able to land in the sea and be retrieved.
    The orb continued to hang motionless, and then moved sideways to the left.
    Some months ago I saw a YouTube clip of this same network live broadcast, and the same commentators and remarks.While it restored my memory of it, there was an additional link to someone purporting the sphere to be a Soviet made craft called the ‘Cosmosphere’ that was advanced utilization of their superior knowledge of torsion -field physics. The story went on to say that the Challenger payload included last pieces of machinery enroute to the lunar south pole base to complete the construction of a laser-based death-ray, and that this was the Soviets preventing the Rockefellar cartel from finishing a global targeting weapon This would dwarf the Manhattan Project(Wall St. funded?)as a tool to coerce national economies.
    Than the NASA bombing of the lunar south pole followed, and I still wonder what they were blowing up.Evidence?
    The moon is such a complete anomaly, and I am convinced it is an ‘architectural sphere’ more in our face than Phoebus and Iapetus.
    Perhaps we are no longer able to visit the moon-not welcome.As the Eye-in-the-Sky, it could something equivalent to a CPU that is running the OS for this cycle of development and drama on earth, networking our individual bio-computer brains into a useful super computer for Someone. The precision of it’s placement and orbit, as well as Aztec shamanistic lore telling of it’s being towed into place some 13,000
    years ago is compelling enough to raise questions. The Aztecs remember two earlier moons that were irregular and much smaller.Hoagland no longer talks about the moon in this way, which also makes me ever more curious about it.
    If anyone knows anything about the ‘Cosmosphere’ Challenger story, I’d like to learn more.I saw the same bright white orb to the right-hand side of the Trade Tower just as the alleged plane was entering on the left. This was TV video footage that was replayed often in the months following 9/11. This orb moved sideways as well. First toward the the Tower, than away and out of the frame.
    Susan Joy Rennison postulates that we are in Magnetic pole shift that will eventually result in righting axis earth-tilt back from it’s present 23 degrees, eliminating ‘wobble’. She didn’t mention what would happen with the giant counter-weight of the moon, but it is an integral part of the equation. Any ideas?

    1. Actually, there is plentiful geological evidence of lunar tides going back at least 500 million years to the Precambrian. The moon, however, appears to have once served as a kind of “base-ops” by a previous administration of a very ancient terrestrial Military Industrial Complex, and there may be a recapitulation of that administration going on sans the notice of almost all here on terra firma! As for the Twin Towers, planes did smash into them and unfortunate lives were lost on that horrid day, but no amount of burning jet fuel is going to collapse those massive structures so damned fast. But an agenda by someones equipped with torsion/scalar weapons technology is a whole other matter….

      1. The buildings were constructed using the placing of
        beams on struts that stick out from the uprights, and
        you don’t need any metal to MELT just weaken enough
        to flex and slip off those end supports. Pancaking
        down will follow.

        HOWEVER, that doesn’t mean that the collapse
        didn’t have some help.

        And Building 7 was apparently taken down on
        purpose, probably to prevent access during evac or
        cleanup to CIA stuff there.

        I have noticed something odd about the truther
        movement. The focus is almost entirely on the
        issue of how the buildings collapsed, which
        effectively takes most of the conversation off the
        far more important issue of who was back of the
        whole mess. That is left to the outlandish
        illuminati and shape shifting lizard drug dealing
        Queen of England etc. crew to talk about. I.e.,
        that George Bush family connections played
        a big role.

        I think the movement has been hijacked. It doesn’t
        matter whether the steel melted or flexed, whether
        torsion weapons were involved or demolition
        charges placed earlier, whether the planes hit or
        not.

        What matters is the network behind it. I expect
        Dr. Farrell will get on that subject one of these
        days, but is already more than touching on the
        background to this in his Nazi and LBJ books.

        By the way, I have no trouble looking at things
        this way, because unlike you more blessed and
        fortunate people, I know exactly how people can
        operate. I have known criminals, and was
        getting wise to some adventure motivation
        that is only now barely touched on in sociology.

        Not to mention the rest of what they are like.

        My hellish nightmare world is or until recently
        was very real, thank you, and put me in touch
        with some people who furthered my, ah,
        education.

        Not to mention crime statistics and the
        mentality involved in some behavior, which is
        all too close to what I can see in some people.

        by the way, statistically, by the time you are
        doing time for something, you’ve done the same
        or similar 10 to 25 times without getting caught,
        or at least not successfully prosecuted.

        And I recall a lady calling into a talk show,
        whose host was complaining of expanded
        police search of car powers, and she felt she
        was in far more immediate daily danger of her
        rights being violated by civilians than by police.

        And a study of various entrenched cultural
        behaviors, some primitive and some not so
        primitive, as part of tradition, will, to a
        multidiscipliinary type mind, immediately
        be recognizeable as what you would have,
        if a society’s traditions were shaped by a
        pack of founding psychopaths.

        Just pray that people who are too nice, and
        I have been that way, or too fooled by some
        types, are never in a position to trust someone
        in a matter that will affect you.

        and watch out for sweet little old ladies who
        want everyone to be dependent on them.
        Back when I still wasn’t willing to face just how
        conniving and bad my mother was, a fellow
        cued me to that about her, and he (having been
        a prison gang enforcer) was the sort who had
        pretty well honed his ability to figure people
        out, though he could be stupid sometimes
        but he caught onto that about her.

        1. If you don’t mind my asking; are you now, or were you at one time a targeted individual? I know one personally and am in contact currently with two others and I can tell you that I do take them very seriously. There are literally tens of thousands who experience such attacks and there’s much literature on the subject as well as groups to support one another.
          And please don’t ever take any comment I might make as personal or directed towards you. My remark was indicative of the fact that what you’ve been through is completely foreign, if not totally alien to my experiences in life and that to suffer as you have is truly a hellish experience.
          And I quite concur with some of the things you said regarding 911. If you’d like to know who I think was behind it, please go to Dr. Farrell’s comment section, 9/11 Musings, where I lay out my wild speculations and ask some questions that need answers.

  4. …now i realize, why i rarely CAPITALIZE anymore — and i thought it was just spending too much time with Unix/Linux… LOL

    hearty discussion for sure but i prefer to stay on original thread topic some collected brief pulses:

    i was living in Tokyo at the time Challenger blew up… total bummer… then all the fallout and inquiries into Nasa bureaucracy, bungling, etc.

    encountered the Alternative 3 work a decade or so earlier… though said to be fictional, it was no doubt quite intuitive and informative to say the least…

    increments of realization have layered themselves over the last 3~4 decades…

    Art Bell and C2C in the nineties, growing ever more popular now with George Noory and crew — where i was first introduced to Farell, Hoagland, Sitchin, Basiago, and so many more…

    back to NASA and its public and not so public sides.

    how far are we to go with rocket propulsion methodology (public), when there is already likely anti-gravity technology in place (classified), which makes the public version moot and, to a great extent, dangerously obsolete with two tragic shuttle disasters in the last quarter century?

    parallel developments in teleportation and time travel seeded by DARPA and the Vatican in Project Pegasus (Andrew Basiago http://projectpegasus.net) indicate that technology to transfer people and presumably, physical objects and small cargo, to Mars in a process akin to a queasy elevator ride, already exists for perhaps 20 years now (shielded by the Govt behind allied private defense contractor facilitation).

    furthermore, if we and other fellow human(oids) already occupy bases on Mars and Moon, then why go through the public sham of risking astronauts in the outmoded rocket technology?

    and let us not forget, the great “explorers” like Columbus, Magellan, followed by their conquistador brethren, who came and colonized the “new” world, in the process virtually destroying the indigenous civilization — from our limited perspective (public) we see Mars and Moon as the “new frontier” to be visited, explored, conquered, colonized…

    hah! the irony is that there is likely a superior civilization or collective already present on both Mars and Moon, who will say, “no thanks, we do not need to be “discovered” by ignorant, but no doubt, sincere and well-intended earthlings (majority of us, at least)…

    so, until we get our act together — socially, politically, economically, etc — and also pierce the disclosure veil between the public misinformation and classified technology and history; and yes, learn how to properly “handle the truth”, we may continue to be quarantined in low Earth orbit…

  5. Justina,
    May I direct your attention to UCC1-308 where the distinction is clearly recognized in the difference between natural rights/common law and statute and regulatory?
    § 1-308. Performance or Acceptance Under Reservation of Rights.

    (a) A party that with explicit reservation of rights performs or promises performance or assents to performance in a manner demanded or offered by the other party does not thereby prejudice the rights reserved. Such words as “without prejudice,” “under protest,” or the like are sufficient.

    Also, each state, like the one in Oregon(below) recognizes this distinction as well.

    Oregon Statutes – Chapter 174 – Construction of Statutes; General Definitions – Section 174.030 Construction favoring natural right to prevail. Where a statute is equally susceptible of two interpretations, one in favor of natural right and the other against it, the former [natural right] is to prevail.

    Since the United States is a for profit corporation, you might also like to check the Clearfield Doctrine that states that corporations can’t compel or make de jure law. They can only make offers in commerce.

    Just because you’ve had bad experiences with you fellow man, doesn’t impose your views upon everyone, and as you can plainly see, even the govt you wish to see ride herd on us like cattle, clearly understands that even it must recognize those rights when they conflict with their own statutes.
    Perhaps if everyone understood this distinction, we might not even have to be having this discussion in the first place. Remember the part about life, liberty and all that other stuff?

    1. its not a corporation, and its certainly not “for profit”, it doesn’t need to make a profit since it is the monopoly producer of US dollars.

    2. it is not just my bad experiences. It is the bad experiences of
      many others over centuries, recorded. it is the history of the
      human race. It is the opinion of the founding fathers, who
      designed the Constitution and refused hereditary monarchy
      and semi hereditary ruling nobility class system, and
      divided the powers of government three ways EXACTLY
      BECAUSE the evil of mankind was so evident to them. Even
      in their own hearts.

      I might add, that the evidence in popular culture is everywhere,
      if you look. and it loves to hide under the idea of freedom.

      Let’s look at freedom. Power gives you freedom to do a lot of
      stuff, good and bad. Freedom is power to avoid some stuff
      and choose others. There may be some difference between
      freedom and power like there is between weight and mass,
      but there isn’t much difference.

      The example in law you give has nothing to do with what we
      are talking about.

      take a look in any state penal code, you will find that there
      is almost always a statement to the effect, that if a law is
      not encoded there, it is of no effect. That means no “common
      law” but only statute law, and case law which interprets it,
      more law to change it, and Supreme Court rulings when
      that happens.

      It was argued about, whether to keep English Common
      Law when we became independent, and it was decided to
      keep what was useful and jettison what wasn’t.

      The king can do no wrong concept was retained to some
      degree, in the difficulty in prosecuting or suing government
      entities or representatives, originally almost absolute now
      heavily altered.

      Many Common Law elements were based on monarchy
      and nobility issues and rights, which wouldn’t fit in a
      republic.

      The Constitution declares that it is itself the supreme law
      of the land, anything in any state law or constitution to
      the contrary notwithstanding (meaning, to be ignored if
      it contradicts the Fed. Const.).

      An example of the sheer ignorance of even basic
      Constitutional concepts, such as an overarching law
      that rules the laws below it and puts limits on what a
      rabble can be induced by demagogues to enact, occurred
      in the Baptist church I used to attend. The preacher had
      a certain baptized control freak potential I suspect, given
      one of his daughters having gone and gotten herself
      legally emancipated as a teen.

      Anyway, when an initiative I think it was passed in
      California that was blatantly unconstitutional, he
      inveighed on the matter of the will of the people and it
      was unAmerican so to speak to strike it down. Well,
      I should have spoken up but I didn’t. But the fact is,
      THAT IS WHAT A CONSTITUTION IS ABOUT. It says
      what goes and what doesn’t. Even the state level
      constitution has that function regarding county and
      city law.

      Common Law, by the way, did NOT refer to the agreed in
      common rules mostly unwritten, it was the law that was
      in force over all in common, and came from the king.
      English courts of common law would come around, and
      empanel a grand jury (the only kind then) which was
      investigative as well as punitive, and would consist
      of men of good character who were well acquainted with
      who was doing what around there.

      The locals it was written somewhere, often disliked the
      Common Law King’s representatives, whether this was
      because they represented codes that were sometimes
      at odds with local tribal derived stuff and priorities, or
      whether they were sometimes seriously corrupt or both
      is not made clear.

      Christian King Alfred was a good egg, and used his power
      to better his people incl. the poor, the plough tax one
      penny a year per plough, which in those days was a lot
      of money, went to the poor. Marx and FDR and whatnot
      didn’t start tax based poor relief, and King Alfred wasn’t
      the first or only who did this.

      I would really prefer to not continue this conversation here,
      This isn’t that kind of forum, really. Some of the issues
      discussed or raised by the nature of Dr. Farrell’s research
      do have relevance to this or to the issue of abuse of power,
      something my mother who did little else but abuse power
      would scream about others, incl. govt. doing, if they
      interfered with her abuse of power over me or anyone
      else. A lot of that power was de facto by the abuse of
      wearing people down and deceiving them and a kind of
      hypnosis, rather than legitimate.

      But the point is, this isn’t the forum for this sort of stuff.

      And there is NO way you are going to have personal
      freedom very long in an anarchic condition without
      everyone being perfectly wise and perfectly good.

      Since such people do not exist, or only for moments
      during their lives, but not all the time, lack of controls
      means people will be reduced to a Mad Max scenario
      out of which will gradually develop power blocs,
      stability, and some kind of government, probably
      abusive and predatory but better than roving gangs
      and dangerous individuals.

      Why reinvent the wheel? Of course power and control
      freaks exist that is WHY we need controls, controls
      that limit their actions at home and in society, and
      controls that limit their actions in government by so
      structuring the government that it is hard for anyone
      to compile all that much power in one office.

      Trouble is, that set up was done complete with the
      disastrous freedom of association rule, before we
      had the full infiltration of secret societies, where
      government can be de facto united in one power by
      the effective control of its branches through the
      persons in it, who are responsibile to something
      other than the people and the states.

      We need to start overhauling that freedom of
      association thing, and maybe apply the corruption
      of blood that is allowed, but limited to the lifetime
      of the person it targetted, and is largely invisible
      because it fell into such disuse it is not an issue.

      Corruption of blood is a feudal concept, i.e.,
      Common Law. It goes like this. A person of position
      is stripped of that position by the king. And it is
      ruled that neither he nor his immediate family,
      maybe farther afield than that, nor his descendants,
      may hold any position henceforth forever.

      This effectively removes conspiracies run along
      family and clan relationship lines.

      In the Constitution it says that there shall be no
      corruption of blood, except for the duration of the
      lifetime of the person it is invoked against.

      Now, that, of course, creates a motive for murder
      of the person, by the ambitious among his relatives.
      Probably why it was apparently never applied, or
      applied so rarely it is just a non issue.

      I think there should be some laws preventing people
      EVER holding positions on regulatory commissions,
      who have anything to do other than gofer and
      schlepper with the industry being regulated, and
      other things that interfere with the adroit positioning
      of people of shared extended family and other
      interests and keep track of what organizations they
      belong to.

      That’s just to start with.

        1. reread my last post, the last 7 paragraphs, It is a way
          of getting the controllers under control. Or starting to,
          at least disrupting their ability to operate as a de facto
          conspiracy.

          in a republic, not inherited ruler systems, with democracy
          and voting and freedom of the press, and the right sort
          of questions being asked, and some old fashioned
          morality being in play as standard, you can go far to
          control the controllers.

          the real problem is not control per se. It is what direction
          it is going in. Clean your room is not a wrong control
          operation by a parent. Throw your whole orientation onto
          me have this attitude of me as your sole reality, that is
          a wrong control operation by a parent. I had a mother
          like that, evil as hell. The closest thing I ever experienced
          to being possessed, was with her as the demon. That
          was BEFORE she died, by the way. And it was a mix
          of brainwashing break you by hammering away, and
          a kind of telepathy. This is pretended was not hypnosis,
          but it is. For a moment, I was all darkness slate with
          traces of light still in me, no sense of myself except
          like that, a dark small figure, and I was repeating
          what she said like a parrot or saying what she wanted
          like a robot. THIS she referred to as having communication
          with me. I figured out what she wanted was my soul and
          I told her straight across she can’t have it. That was later
          when I pieced the picture together more. This was the
          horror that my father’s already shaky sanity broke under,
          and he eventually fled, to his death.

          Thank God my grandmother walked across the floor above
          us, and the sound broke Mom’s spell. Any time I was normally
          alert to my environment, having a sense of self existence,
          Mom called being under my grandmother’s spell, but that
          was a lie. that was being NOT under my mother’s spell,
          but instead being normal.

          I have looked into the face of evil on more than one
          occasion, and sometimes it masquerades as freedom.

          My mother was very down on any government intervention,
          whether it was to put me in school, get me to a doctor, or
          clean up an environment that made the first garbage man
          of the team who went in, step outside and throw up.

          Forget your damn freedom crap, we need controls.

          And guess what, a lot of what you take for granted came
          in stages, with the kings claiming a right here and there
          as something impacted subject’s functionality for the king.
          that was what gave the king a reasonable basis for
          intervention. and it grew, so we now have laws against,
          for instance, mayhem, which originally protected only
          military aged men, but now protects everyone, even
          children against their parents.

          The latter has gone too far, we need corporal punishment
          at times. There are vicious children, with vicious, doting
          mothers who consider their rapist, murderer, drug dealing,
          lying thieving effectively grown men who are teens, or
          even older, as their “children.” What garbage they are.

  6. I strongly suspect that there has been ongoing Martian and lunar
    exploration, from earth and from elsewhere. I suspect the most
    recent stage was in the late 1800s or early 1900s, and was then
    supplemented by Nazi and maybe USA and Russian elements,
    most like Nazi elements under color of Russia and USA. Maybe
    some private stuff, maybe some postmarked Bariloche.

    The Face and The City seem to be located on what was once
    a water edge, so may be from long long ago, but i don’t buy
    the idea of millions of years.

    Ever see Alternative 3? there is a landing scene, and on the
    screen that shows conditions is air pressure 703 milllibars.
    That’s a bit more than 2/3 or ours. That movie was a prank,
    but the writers started getting all kinds of strange trouble and
    stuff, like they’d touched on something real. And I suspect
    that that strange landing scene, with the cute little Martian
    mole (I suppose its cute, only its action just under the surface
    is evident) was a real event, that was slipped to them, by some
    faction in the secret space program that wanted it leaked, or
    conversely wanted to keep the cover up going, by providing
    information that was real, to use in an easily debunkable
    fraud, so it would be dismissed out of hand.

    before I ever saw that, I computed Martian air pressure at
    about 697 mb, based on the kind of water clouds that appear
    there, which CANNOT form that those alleged low air pressures.

    1. The late Dr. Tom van Flandern, whose scientific opinion I very much respect, places the Cydonia monuments at the original Martian equator; his famous EPH calculations places the time frame at 3.2 million years ago for that signifying EVENT. In any event, however, for important considerations within my own working out the vagaries of “the big picture,” I’m placing, only as an hypothesis, the signifying EPH EVENT at around 117,000 years BP, and was the result of the terminal dissolution of a previous MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX of Homo Sapiens Sapiens of terra firma origin. Any technical culture will always, by extension, be a concentrated MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX; of course, this is only my opinion! So far, astronomical observations of the majority of sun-like stars contain close orbiting “hot Jupiters,” so earthlike worlds around these stars are effectively ruled out and thus extraterrestrials like those favored by the “ancient astronaut” crowd would likely be exceedingly RARE! Of course, that could change if one day we discover another solar system with a planetary arrangement very close to ours, so time will tell! As for the atmospheric pressure on the martian surface, I totally agree with your 697 millibars of mercury!

  7. Why haven’t we gone back to the moon with manned missions? When I say “we” I’m referencing the USA and Russia who have the potential and even proven means to do so? What with the “Nazi International” that I’m reading now, and the “Roswell and the Reich” that I have on order, could there be clandestine “parties” currently on the Moon right this very minute? Could there be any truth to that supposed “May 22, 1962” “secret” mission to Mars, and that there may be those insider powers that be who might be conscientiously leaking such information on the web? And that supposed “Project Redstar” story of well preserved ruins at Tithonium Chasma near Valles Marineris on Mars: could someone (rather a collective of someones) have gone there in some TOP SECRET manned flight over the decades since the end of WW2 and TURNED SOME OF THE LIGHTS BACK ON!?

  8. The private sector needs control by the govt. sector, because
    people are evil, and can more easily be influenced by a govt.
    that is itself subject to influence of a large number of people
    so that it works out. Freedom of the press incl protection of
    whistleblowers and leaks, is important to help keep transparency.

    The virtue of democracy is not that the people, another
    abstraction de facto corporation, are God, but that it makes
    it easier to keep govt. doing what it is supposed to do, serve
    God’s purpose of limiting evil and rewarding good.

    As far as the rest of that maritime law and common law
    jurisdiction stuff, I don’t know about Canada, but in the US it
    is made up nonsense. For instance, some “experts” claim
    that if a court has a flag with a gold border it means it is
    in some way an extension of Britain. No. that is not what
    admiralty law is about. It means that that particular court
    has jurisdiction to try matters that occur on water.

    I did a bit of law study once, which showed a lot about how
    things developed, and the sheer ignorance of the pompous
    self appointed experts (who appeal to the sin of pride and
    vainglory with the sovereign individual crap, no one is
    sovereign ultimately but God), is unbelieveable.

    It is also noteworthy, how little the self appointed constitutional
    law experts seems to actually know about what the Constitution
    says.

    “14th amendment citizen” instead of a real citizen. There is
    hardly anything in the 14th that is not the original body of
    the Constitution, before the Amendments, but it had been so
    evaded and ignored by the southern states origin judges
    dominating the Supreme Court, that it had to be slung
    together again in a way and with clarification.

    1. Hello Justina,

      Please do a little fact checking and read a little history before you rule everything that’s been said as out of hand. Understand that civil government is but one form of government we have and the most anti-social of all them because it’s the myth that allows some individuals to justify the “legal” claim to use force against everyone else who refuses to obey their orders.
      What we actually need is the restoration of our God given liberties that belong to each of us from birth. There are no restrictions save that we can’t violate the liberties of others, which as you notice, the govt does routinely.
      The fact is you’ve not only put the card before the horse, but the reigns and saddle when you say that the private sector needs control by the govt. It’s govt that needs to be controlled, open and transparent, not the other way around. Just remember that the next time you try to get on an airplane and are xrayed or groped in the name of keeping you safe from the non existant terrorists, who, like the red menace of my youth allowed us to take seriously the threat that the commies were going to nuke MytownUSA. It’s about power and control and if you can’t see that, you’re most certainly going to love what comes next. This nation is no longer the land of the free or home of the brave.
      As a starting point, I suggest you might like to have a look at Lysander Spooner’s short treatise, “No Treason, No. 6”. Then come back and tell me about constitutions as social contracts.

      1. i;ve done plenty of fact checking. i used to buy the stuff you
        have bought, but it doesn’t wash, and who says we have
        God given liberty to do every damn self destructive thing we
        please, or to connive to break the law over the phone and
        not get tapped?

        People are evil. They need controls. YES these can become
        excuses for power grabs and abuses. But in my experience
        and that of others, the greatest tyranny is never from govt.,
        which is far away, but the thugs, the parents, the peers,
        whatever, who usually scream bloody murder about their
        rights.

        1. Justina,

          First. I didn’t mean to upset you and I certainly feel sorry for whatever you’ve gone through to make you so resentful of your fellow man. That hasn’t been my experence and I’m certainly a lot older than you.
          Can you tell me then who controls the controllers?

          1. Lets get back to the founding fathers. What did George
            Washington say? “every man would be a tyrant if he could.”
            what is the reason for the separation of powers built into
            the Constitution? That no one can be trusted.

            This is of course bypassed by the placing in all these
            sectors of people theoretically by oaths, or more practically
            by shared interests and goals, are together as a sort of
            conspiracy.

            The controllers need controlling, ergo the usefulness of
            democracy and free press. People are real concerned
            about their property, and things, and status and that takes
            money and power. This is of course the quality that makes
            us evil, when it isn’t just quiet secret sin of pride or lust.
            There is also dishonesty and blindness to ourselves and
            to others.

            Now, even with the available pool to replace some jerk
            with when he or she is voted out, being not much better,
            these people know what side their bread is buttered on,
            and they can be made to toe the line to some extent.

            The law of the jungle operates much milder when it is
            forced to go through procedures and pretenses,
            instead of free to form violent gangs in a control free
            environment.

            Meanwhile, the kind of exposes that Wikileaks,
            Dr. Farrell, Alex Constantine, and many others (I leave
            out nut cases like Alex Jones) are doing, helps to put
            them in a more uncomfortable situation.

        2. I don’t agree with that, and that seems to be the premise of your argument: people are evil. By doing so, this turns “evil” into a kind of corporate problem, which it isn’t. Evil is not a law of nature, it is a personal thing, predicated only of the person and not corporate.

          1. let me rephrase that. people are evil inclined, all to some
            extent, however minor. and it can be reinforced by and
            even SHAPE culture, not to mention other people they
            hang with. They can also rebel against it. Or suprress it.
            With Jesus Christ’s help and constant self monitoring they
            can eliminate most of it. Nothing will be perfected until
            Jesus comes back, and even then there might be a delay
            until the new heavens and new earth are created out of
            the old, I don’t know.

  9. The phone rang around 12 o’clock and it was my father calling from work. He worked at SPAR Aerospace Technology. His voice was very somber and asked that I turn on the television. The reason why was overtly obvious. It was on every channel. He asked me, “Will you be home this evening? I would like very much to chat.” Many people do not know SPAR Aerospace or that it was once a jewel in the Canadian Crown much a kin to A.V. Roe and the Arrow. Industries long lost. My father was an Electronics Engineer who spent a good deal of time working on the RMS (Remote Manipulator System) for the shuttle program in Toronto and even more people are unaware it was our (Canadian) contribution to further the space program. When he arrived home that evening, visibly distressed, we spoke at length and like some many other times before he told me of a book he had once read. He looked straight at me coolly and calmly and said long before I heard anyone in this century say, “Do you think we live on a Prison Planet, incapable of leaving.” So, I think of him still asking me to read Mystery Of The Black Arts, The Occult, Earth In Upheaval, An Index Of Possibilities and of course Tesla. He knew something he was unable to tell me, but he did come home from work another day years later, and as Richard C. Hoagland says “The Lie Is Different at Every Level”, looked at me again and exclaimed, “The universe is not as empty as they (NASA) would have you believe.” Since my father’s passing, I have been without a Michael Schratt in my family. As such, I look forward to Genes, Giants, Monsters and Men.
    Thank You Dr. Farrell

  10. Would a president that has spent his first two years in office apologizing for the greatness of America have any intention to make us great again?

  11. You said, “In my opinion, it isn’t a matter simply of economics or the philosophy thereof…I think it is also a matter of national security. Perhaps it is my own prejudice, but right now, I am much more skeptical of corporations than I am of governments.”

    Are you familiar with Quigley’s “Anglo/American Establishment” and “Tragedy and Hope”? In it he lays the foundation to explain exactly how and why the commercial credit system of debt/fiat/fractional reserve banking has been able to expand its’ tentacles around the world, to make wars, to create enemies and to enrich itself in so doing. These are the same people, operating from the City of London who’ve financed and funded all sides in all the world wars and armed conflicts around the world. It’s by transferring technology and credit that these bankers have built every “enemy” that the west has faced in the past century. If you’re not familiar with this, please see the work of Tony Sutton on the subject as well as additional information on the federal reserve bank by G. Edward Griffin. They(the international bankers) are the dialectic, building each advancement towards their objective of a global government.

    Years ago I spent much time talking with Sam Cohen about his days at Rand Corp and what took place there. I was amazed to find out that the cold war policy was built around the “gaming” developed by John Von Neuman and perfected along with him by John Nash, who as you know was certifiably insane. The idea of the prisoners’ dilema is that everyone is out to get us and that they’re even crazier than we are, so we have to go even further to thwart them. We’re all MAAD!

    This institutionalized paranoia played out in the fact that the reports and studies that were commissioned by the military and defense departments always came out with the conclusion that those organizations wanted. Where there was no intelligence as to what the soviet capabilities were, the boys at Rand made them up. Yes. They were made up to justify the preconceived conclusions that were to be arrived at. The cold war was illusion built upon lies.

    Let me ask you, what sane person could imagine that a nation that spends more on arms and weapons than all the other nations in the world should be living in fear of an Iran, an Iraq, or a North Korea? And ask yourself why any nation would want to or even think about challenging the US when it would be annihilated? We’re suppose to shudder at countries without nuclear weapons or the means to deliver them? What is the purpose other than create fear, and yes…..to serve as the marketing plan for the next generation of weapons from the military/industrial complex? Why do you think it’s so effective to have israel serve as the major conduit to get advanced technologies into the hands of the supposed enemies of this country? What’s the purpose of Saudi Arabia if not to transfer money to so called radical Islamic terrorists(originally created, I might add by the CIA) if not to create the cover to inject the US militarily into the region to control the oil and opium and keep them out of the hands of the Chinese and Russians as well as to launder billions from drug and arms deals?

    I’m afraid that the national security red herring will no longer hunt. It’s all too obvious that these tried and true methods to gain ever more control at home and abroad are becoming apparent to a growing number of people who want to know why it’s alright for the “government” to invade other nations that haven’t and couldn’t harm us and to destroy what ever is left of the liberty of the American people.

    You might also want to look at the Act of 1871 that created the corporate United States(singular) as opposed to the united states(plural). Interesting stuff when you start looking behind the lies we’ve been feed all our lives.

  12. Other than the fact that it’s wrong to take from one person to give to another or force others to pay for things they don’t want, you might like to check this out sometime. When you begin to see the full nature of the commercial credit system, I think it starts to come clear as to why the world operates as it does. This is where the real alchemy lies.

    •US CODE: Title 28,3002. Definitions

    (15) “United States” means —
    (A) a Federal corporation;
    (B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or
    (C) an instrumentality of the United States.

    Your government is a for profit corporation. Wonder who the owners are? Hint. It’s not the people of the united states.

    1. THanks for this important information! This is something I hope to address some day. And I agree with the economic philosophy, but unfortunately, for the moment, I think there are pressing national security issues and I am not persuaded that a private manned space program is the right course… but I’m certainly open to the possibility and idea.

      1. You might be also interested in the work of people like Jordan Maxwell.
        About Common Law vs. Maritime Admiralty Law and the UCC. Symbolism in the Courts etc.

        I must admit that I really must find the time to research this deeper, but what I found interesting so far:

        Did you know there’s said to be a big difference in your name written in lower case vs. one written in upper case?

        “Capitis deminutio maxmia, – from Roman law, the diminution of a persons legal status as a result of being reduced to slavery, what it means is you are capitalized, you become property ”

        Interesting videos e.g. by Irene Gravenhorst:
        http://bit.ly/g0wTkW

        “Irene Gravenhorst, a human woman living in Common Law jurisdiction, is confronted by RCMP in Admiralty/Marine Law jurisdiction. Watch the interaction, and notice how RCMP attempt to create a Joinder between the 2 jurisdictions…”

        Also truly amazing are the “Moors in Court” videos that can be found on YouTube:

        “The Moor in court is challenging the jurisdiction on the court, the court is a corporation subject to Law…The U.S. is a corporate nation, look at you drivers license and bills, your name is in ALL CAPS meaning you are a it means you are a 14th amendment person subject to the public debt not a natural person.”

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CriJmEBgWQ0

        There’s some straaange stuff going on in this world. Now a legal expert by any means, but just the idea and implications alone..

        1. Ethan,
          You’re right on the money and I think you may have given the good Doctor a few more books to write.
          Keep up your research. You’ll find the rabbit hole goes a lot deeper than most could ever suspect. It’s all about control and power.
          You might also want to consider how the ruling myth(the noble lie) is always used to create fictional collectives to gain the consent of individuals to go along with programs that actually harm them.
          For fun, you might enjoy “Our Enemy the State” by Albert Nock who explains how governments and states arise and the methods they employ in doing so. Follow the money and you’ll find the truth.

      2. Oh brother, come on guys, google is your friend. A “U.S. Corporation” is a corporation established and wholly-owned by the US Government, such as the Tennessee Valley Authority. Since all corporations are formed as creatures of either a state charter (and the Supremacy Clause exempts Uncle Sam from state regulation, from foreign regulation too for that matter) or a congressional charter, its impossible for the US government to be a corporation,. it couldn’t exist prior to congressional charter, but since Congress is a branch of the government, it too wouldn’t exist yet and so couldn’t issue one. A conundrum that has a simple answer, the United States government is not a corporation.

        “ALCO STANDARD CORPORATION, an Ohio corporation, Appellee,
        v.
        TENNESSEE VALLEY AUTHORITY, a U.S. corporation, and
        Westinghouse Electric Corporation, a Pennsylvania
        corporation, Appellants.”
        http://openjurist.org/808/f2d/1490/alco-standard-corporation-v-tennessee-valley-authority-us

        An “instrumentality of the United States” is a non-corporate entity established and owned by Uncle Sam, like The Smithsonian.
        “The Smithsonian Institution was established in 1846 with funds bequeathed to the United States by James Smithson. The Institution is as an independent trust instrumentality of the United States holding more than 140 million artifacts and specimens in its trust for “the increase and diffusion of knowledge”.
        http://www.thingstodo.com/states/DC/smithsonian.htm

        As for the Common Law, Maritime/Admiralty, UCC comment, just wow. I just wrote out (and then deleted) several paragraphs explaining what each of these terms mean, but the interested reader can google them, wikipedia explains all of them in some detail. Suffice to say, if anyone goes into court raising these points, if they’re lucky the judge will just order a psych screen.

        There’s enough real secrets in the world (see books of Farrell, Joseph A.) to waste time worrying about fake secrets.

  13. The notion that govt spending is more productive than individual spending is an old fallacy that Bastiat long ago explained in the broken window theory of what is and isn’t seen. What we see are the rockets and high tech gadgetry, but what’s lost are the consumer goods, the jobs in the private sector and the wealth that’s transferred from productive to unproductive jobs. They’re forgotten because unlike the political pork barrel projects we can see, they never got the chance to come into existence. I include those things that people would not voluntarily spend their own money on, including stuff that flies off into space or blow things and people up while making us all poorer. Far better for families to use the money taken from them by force to be able to keep and spend for their own needs and wants.
    Let the private sector raise the funds and invest in space exploration. It’ll be far more productive and less wasteful than any program the govt could ever devise…..and it would create real jobs instead of destroying them.

    1. In my opinion, it isn’t a matter simply of economics or the philosophy thereof…I think it is also a matter of national security. Perhaps it is my own prejudice, but right now, I am much more skeptical of corporations than I am of governments.

  14. I was asleep on the living room rug, normal place in my grandmother’s
    house. I woke up a few second before it blew, Mom probably woke
    me up. Drama and overreaction addict, she grabbed her gut and
    doubled up when it happened. I figured, “oh shit, well sooner or later
    this was going to happen.” Prayed for them but wasn’t going to get
    all worked up and make myself sick. After all, astronauts are basically
    riding on top of a glorified bomb.

    But years later, it looks a tad sinister. (1) that O ring had been
    reported, but nothing was done. There was a lot of pressure to get
    it going in a hurry, on which rush it can all be easily blamed. But what
    if the rush was designed to ensure a problem, and the O ring report
    ignored on purpose? (2) One of the female astronauts, I forget
    which one, I later learned had been involved in making the calculations
    for engineering the aerobraking for the later Mars probe. If the
    atmosphere is a lot thicker than NASA says it is, she just might have
    noticed that the math didn’t fit, that the whole thing was being
    designed for higher pressure than .001 percent. And that might have
    got her killed, Probably she was persuadable she hadn’t noticed
    what she’d notice, just like Lowell Observatory was puzzled about
    how so thin an atmosphere as the Viking reported could support
    such a haze as the Viking Orbiter showed. But it never (publically
    even when stating puzzlement) questioned NASA’s estimates.

    But a dangerous situation may have been seen by some as
    existing.

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