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ALTERNATIVE MEDIA AND SOCIAL ENGINEERING: COMMENT ON A COMMENT

I am not normally given to commenting on a website comment, but in this instance, the commentator's remarks were so profound and insightful, I thought readers of this website should be made aware of them by highlighting them in a formal post, and should also be aware of my response to his remarks.

In response to my remarks in my Fireside News and Views from the Nefarium of March 4, 2011, Mr. Greg Parent said the following:

"The alternative community is flooded with alt-babble, which has had the effect of devaluing all alternative research, even that which is legitimate. Frankly, I have stopped listening to the alternative radio programs because they will put anybody on with the most outrageous, unsubstantiated claims and not pose any hard questions. Any legitimate research, even alternative research requires some standards but "alternative" has come to mean anything goes. In short, it has imploded into the post modern abyss of relativism. This applies to books as well, 98% of which amount to total drivel. But such is the goal of the counter-initiation to create cognitive dissonance and break down any objective sense of reality, so that it can be reconstructed for malevolent use. That is to say, it's quite possible that the alternative community itself has become an instrument (if it wasn't always) of social engineering."

I have to admit that I pondered these profound observations for several days until I finally decided to write about them. In the main, I think Mr. Parent has put his finger on what has been troubling me, and that is the almost total breakdown of any sense of research rigor within the alternative community. The "acid drip" here is not a real one, it is being created by the alternative community itself, or rather, by the big names within it, who are so often paraded in front of the microphones at conferences and on radio and television shows, who, without much argument or research, can and do say the wildest things. Reality itself dissolves beneath this acid; it becomes pliable and plastic, capable of being molded into whatever transparent thing the "alternative community media' choose to make it. And here, I think, the old adage of C.S. Lewis cuts right to the heart of the issue: one cannot go on seeing through everything, or one only ends seeing nothing at all. There has to be some opacity somewhere in order for anything to be seen.

This leads to Mr. Parent's second trenchant observation, namely, the possibility that certain names and shows are championed by the powers that be for the express purpose of using the alternative research community for social engineering purposes. A population that believes that the British Royal family are quite literally reptiles will believe almost anything. A population that is now justifiably cynical about any pronouncement coming from their respective governments can easily be fed the ersatz "knowledge" of numerology, of channeling, of past lives... in short, the whole panoply of esoterica.

Like Mr. Parent, I too have grown cold to many famous examples within the alternative media, though no names need be mentioned, I am probably not alone in this. Junk "reality" shows on television chase ghosts, radio shows that used to attempt to plumb the technological depths implied by UFOs are now filled with witches, ghost chasers, near-death survivors, and so on.

Mr. Parent's observations only highlight in bold relief once again why I am so adamant that at least some sort of academic standards - including proper referencing - have to be brought at least to the written media within the community. But it will, I'm afraid, be some time before we find similar standards being applied in the other media.

Most of all, Mr. Parent's remarks also evidence a final concern, namely, that the more unreal the agenda, the more air-time that seems to be given to a topic or individual. And that, of course, is social engineering at its best.

31 thoughts on “ALTERNATIVE MEDIA AND SOCIAL ENGINEERING: COMMENT ON A COMMENT”

  1. Well then-applying some very basic common sense-social engineering by the big boys remains an opinion, what with no proof or footnotes to back it up. Comes across as rather a scholarly snipe. And to what end? Personally, I can easily see the major players using this, but see no purpose in it. My opinion is that social engineering projects have, as a goal, control. Thus LSD, used initially in mind control experiments, being abandoned, as the results were far too unpredictable. It seems to me that a belief in star beings from Arcturus serves little purpose, outside of selling product to fanatics, or maybe getting one or two to go on a killing spree. Might have some research of value.
    The thing about footnotes is, it doesn’t end there. The purpose of footnotes, is to research the material-often several times. That’s what the scholar does. If several sources indicate a certain event occurred, with corroborating physical evidence, it’s likely the event occurred.
    Overall, the way I personally enjoy material from radio shows, documentaries, is to view them all as information, that, whether or not there’s any veracity, is of itself, not a concern. If one connects the dots, in any way one wishes, and looks for patterns that are pleasing to oneself, then it becomes apparent that a liar contains just as much worthful information as a truthteller-and that there’s chaotic patterns in the stories of each. I like to weave the information into any particular shape that pleases me, while always maintaining a position of impartiality. Thus, one day, I thought “Perhaps Erich Von Daniken is a con man and a charlatan-claims have been made to such things-who also might perhaps be mostly right!” I’m not beholden to that position.

    Could be I just like a good story.

    1. I am seriously wondering if this comment is written by an individual paid to write it. Extreme I know, yet, the “argument” made here seems to me to be the very antithesis of the post.
      The other alternative is that the dark powers are actually winning and this is an example of the kind of “rationality” we can expect in the future from Joe average. And maybe the future is now!

      Without wanting or intending to be insulting, I wonder if the writer of this comment understands that once you accept the “possibility” that 2=3 ALL of maths with such “logic” in it, breaks down.

      There IS an objective, common truth to any specific position. Denying this is so is I think a sort of form of intellectual laziness that crosses into insanity. Clinically I mean.

  2. Joseph, I’ve just channeled beings from the Pleiades and they told me you’re right about this issue.

    By the way, are you guys going through the portal in 2012 ? lol

  3. Jon, speaking of “memes” as you mentioned before, there seems to be one emerging in this online research community, alternative news, whatever, towards adressing this very problem. One tool which has been mentioned recently is the “trivium”, being classical grammar, logic, and rhetoric, in that order, as an approach to learning in general. Apparently this main aspect of a “liberal” education has been removed by the likes of JDR, emulation of the prussian education (read: indoctrination) system, through University of Chicago, and Columbia teachers college. And beyond the trivium, the rest of the seven liberal arts, mathematics, geometry, music and astronomy/cosmology. Sound like anything I learned in school? Not likely, luckily I flunked out and went on to educate myself. Now the only thing that is clear is my agreement with you, nothing is what it seems.

    Funny, Meme was a concept first propagated by arch materialist, darwinian apologist, Richard Dawkins (Sir?) I think. Still the concept works. Just goes to show, don’t kill the messenger. Also never rely on quilt by association.

    1. Certainly any aspect of those cornerstones of learning which do remain are considerably “dumbed-down,” mostly to the point of being inaccurate, if not completely false.

      There is a very mediocre movie about this concept of “dumbing down,” called “Idiocracy.” Not a great film, but some very interesting social commentary, much like the social commentary in “Demolition Man.”

      University of Chicago was JDR’s creation, and Leo Strauss was a centerpiece of it’s essentially fascist philosophy. Was there a reason Chicago was the headquarters of the (visible) American Nazi Party?

      I’m not quite sure how to take Dawkins. He has a host of quite fanatical followers (usually a bad sign), and I’ve heard rumors of his participation in attacking some alternative researchers, notably Richard Milton. Dawkins is very well spoken and erudite, seems quite intelligent, but I get a creepy feeling from him that he serves a sinister agenda. In fairness, I have not read more than a smattering of his material, and have seen one interview with him in a documentary about Creationism.

      I, too, chose to leave the Higher Ed system and educate myself. I found the environment intellectually stifling and ethically bankrupt. I used to believe it was the pinnacle of human knowledge, but after working in it for nearly 15 years, have realized that it is more of a stagnant backwater.

  4. We know for a fact that covert ops/intelligence types love to create fake “believers” for a variety of reasons.

    We also know that our media and educational system have been heavily influenced (at best) by the likes of Edward Bernays, Leo Strauss and John Rockefeller (“I want a nation of workers, not a nation of thinkers.”)

    The best way to minimize and keep tabs on any possible opposition or watchdog group is to infiltrate and direct their programs – like the FBI agents creating the whole “spit on soldiers returning home from Vietnam” thing to discredit the peace movement.

    Infiltrate, co-opt, embarrass, distort and control. That type of undermining of ideas has deep, long-term effects, as in the prohibition against “perpetual motion machines.” It is very effective – people willingly become their own jailers.

  5. No doubt that is true, regarding the unsubstatiated paranormal material paraded around on television for so many years. It amazes me, how aquaintances of mine can have solid opinions about ghosts, or ET’s, but never expect to see any proof of them on TV. They are OK with it, maybe because it offers them some entertainment, without challenging on anything substantial to their world veiw. It seems fun and harmless, like the X-files. They are sure Big-Foot, or Aliens, or diabolical serial killers ala Silence of the Lambs, exist, luckily the police will form a special crack squad of specialists, (with excellent hairdoo’s) to solve the problem in one hour sans commercials, (or two hours for those extra dangerous, big bads). And everyone will maintain their lovely stylish lives, made ever so much more convenient by the advent of cellular phones.

    But I digress. Your point brings to mind the unpalatable idea that maybe all of this programming they consume might have an alterior motive. Social engineering, for instance. The mainstream/alternative media does nothing to contradict this wave. Latching onto any new photo of a UFO, like I can’t make it’s equivalent using photoshop on my 600 dollar laptop, or ranting and raving about “The Illuminati”, or the ever nearing crisis of 2012. One need not look further than Alex Jones latest appearance on the tube, The View interviewing him about the all important topic of Charlie Sheen’s personal problems. Look at the name of the show, “The View”, enough said.

    They show them what to think about what, and although people may think they know when they are being propagandized to, it is the propaganda they do not recognize that will do the work. These shows, like unsolved mysteries, always leave the mysteries unsolved, don’t they? Ghost hunters never find ghosts. UFO stalkers are always happy to bandy about grainy photos of strange lights in the sky, then specualte as to what it all means. Who are these space brothers of ours. And people go on with their lives, never knowing that there are actual mysteries out there to be solved. And the answers may not be too appealing to the mass consciousness. So they will not look at them anyways, just refer back to the poisoned well water that they have been served, and go about their business, after making the bearer of real news sure he better keep his mouth shut, and not rock the boat too much. See, a little mystery, served up in a nice reliable prime time format is OK. But really, we are just here on this rock, spinning through space at a million miles a second, by accident and we’d better make the best of it!

    Sad to realize, but this information is not for everybody, and pushing people to go against their programming can be a dangerous endeavor. Reminds me of something somebody allegedly said once, Matt 10:34 ?

    😉

  6. Sorry folks, I came to this article as a place to do a little personal venting. We’re on the alternative media theme here. We know Dr. Farrell’s main gripe with oh, so many other authors is NO FOOT NOTES. With foot notes, quotations, end notes, bibliographies and all that jazz I forgot by wake-up time on 23 December 1972 and my fresh diploma still rolled up on the coffee table. Forgetting: maybe that’s why I never got my masters. But I do digress too much. I’m here today to vent.

    We who read authors like Dr. Farrell, know he isn’t just making up stuff because
    his books are replete with all that stuff I long, long ago forgot how to do. And when he’s just ‘guessing’ (another word for conjecture) he tells us. When we, as thoughtful readers, do our work and pay attention to the footnotes; we can say, yep, he just may be on to something. It rings of truth, and it’s fun.

    And if you’re like me, when you are enjoying something you may want to share
    it with someone else. That sharing makes the experience even more enjoyable.

    Yesterday I caught Dr. Farrell on an internet radio program where he was talking about his book, “The Cosmic War.” He mentioned he was writing a follow-up book called, “Genes, Giants, Monsters and Men.” Yeah, it was an old
    show. Now, since I have that new book on order, I started reading “Cosmic War” to prepare myself for “The Monsters” book. I’m getting there folks. I’m an old Texan (67) and I write the way I talk. Sort of. Slow. But you folks are an educated bunch, so I’m not quite as informal and I check my spelling.

    Our 38 year old son lives with us. I had come upon the pictures of the pictographs on page 53 with a dandy one inch footnote, and the comparison
    of them to a photo of a plasma instability on the next page. I studied these
    and more on the following several pages. Boy hidy, as we old Texans say.

    I thought these photos were great and wanted to show them to my son. Before I could get him to even look at the book he said, “Oh, those guys just make that stuff up.” While trying to explain, my wife of forty-one years, jumped in to say, “That’s just someone’s opinion.” Boys and girls, I have to live with this! Every
    point I came back with got shot down. Each objection would have taken a
    couple of hours to explain. But to people who have never read a book with a footnote, let alone ever written a word that required footnoting, I gave up.

    Could possibly this attitude be attributed, at least in part, to all the unsubstantiated alternative ideas being shown on television? I don’t know.

    All I could do was shut up and go back to my little room, close the door, and
    subject you guys with my drivel. I’ve vented. Thanks, Old Cap’n Kent

    1. You could always learn how to do magic card tricks and then claim you got the powers from reading Dr. Farrell’s magical works! 🙂 🙂 🙂 You know…irritate them back 🙂

    2. Kent, I believe we have a little in common. I’m hitting 59 in a few days and got my degree in 75. We were probably taught pretty much the same things. I consider that most of what I was taught at the time was just about a load of Texas fertilizer but it was taught as Gospel. Since then some mistakes have been corrected and others compounded. What ever is mainstream or politically correct rules today otherwise it’s ignored or poo pooed. Today it’s an information overload combined with instant gratification mode. Nobody wants to take the time to seriously study something out . They go with the flow and their own uninformed views. They have a serious problem with reality and a lot of them have a very fatalistic view of their future. They don’t watch the ghost shows for evidence of ghosts, they live for the” What was that?” They want the glitter not the grist. I too have tried to share with those who are close to me and have very little success. My children are hopeless and my wife concedes that there is something to it but can’t process what it means to her. I keep trying tho and authors such as Dr Farrell help tremendously with my efforts to show the legitimacy of my ranting and raving. You and me are the type that can make some sense of whats out there and separate the bull from the chafe. Share it best you can!

  7. This is the deep disturbing thing, who or what to trust. I’ve noticed that within the last year or so I re-created my bookmark folder naming it things like who i read, finally who i trust. I was continuously weeding our those web sites that lack research rigor especially as an attorney. While I recently sent Dr. Farrell a posting, not knowing if it was true, I went as far as I could finding archived micro-film copies of information to support what the alternate media sites were talking about.

    I have found that I have one folder for MSM, which I think of “this is what they are shouting about”; then I have the main alternative sites which is “this is what they want me to be thinking, doubting, causing me to fear”, and then i have my trusted sites. I have continuously re-evaluated those sites especially in the last 2 years. Many of them are by the wayside at this point.

    I find if I research something that the same meme appears in the google headlines going down 12 pages or so. Attempting to use another search site has proved not reliable at all.

    With the advent of HB Gary, I realize that 4 years ago when I wrote a column on a well known progressive web site and obtained about 1200 comments and 16,000 votes on an issue, they were likely real people. Today I wouldn’t even count 5% of them.

    I like all of us here am here due to the thoughtfulness and intelligence and insight I welcome so much in Dr. Farrell’s books and articles.

    The world is such a confusing place. I too wonder if I slept through college and actually law school. Although being an attorney does allow me to sift through stacks of paper or material quickly and quantitatively, if the stack is really a rabbit hole, there is no clarity.

    1. I concur.

      By the way, have you noticed any pattern in what they want you to fear,
      or believe, that might point to the interests of some control element
      either directing them, encouraging them, or feeding their fantasies?

    2. WOW. Thank you for making me aware of HB GARY!. I didn’t know they existed specifically. I only knew about what my old windows PC did “by itself”. Hence why I now use a different OS.

  8. To Dr. Farrell and all: After reading everyone’s well thought out and well written
    input, i hesitate to drop my dime because I feel anything I might say would be so inadequate to the discussion. Did I sleep through six years of college?

    Having gotten that out of the way, here goes about the alternative media. I agree with everything that’s been said, but while I was reading I began thinking about something. We are at this website for the very reasons found lacking in that other 98% of alternative work (or is that too loose a word to use).

    There is pulp fiction that a writer can use a template and knock out a book over the weekend and a good reader can read in one sitting. Then there is the scholarly approach to research and writing with rigor and all that that implies. Again,that’s why we find ourselves at this website and why we have stacks of Farrell books on the shelf. We aren’t pulp consumers yet we’re judging others
    by our standards.

    To simplify my point I chose to compare books at opposite poles. There are
    a lot more pulp consumers and if that’s what they want that’s what they’ll get.

    They sell for the same price and are easy to churn out. But then not everyone
    is up to the task, reader and writer. It doesn’t seem fair to compare them to my favorite author. I’ve learned a lot and been entertained reading his books, hard as they can be.

    But I know what everyone means. I’ve been to those Project This and That; seen the interviews; and heard the radio. And just finished an alternative book.
    Actually, I didn’t finish it; I stopped about forty pages short in disgust.

    If anyone read this far, thanks.

    Old Cap’n Kent

  9. Joseph, to me it’s a “no brainer” that if the MSM is able to perform social engineering, alt media can do the same. I try to take each individual piece of information alone. It may impress me where or who it came from but that doesn’t keep me from realizing it is unsubstantiated, not proven and pure conjecture. Don’t misunderstand me, I take most everything into consideration but it usually doesn’t take me long to realize, even if I “want” to believe it, some information is not backed with facts or examples. Just like the events in Japan, I have my suspicions but at this time, knowing what information I have, there is nothing to pull me to either side of the fence. Right now, it is just as likely (at times, moreso) this is an event of natrual occurance. Maybe celestial events aggravated this, I need more proof. Maybe HAARP had something to do with it, maybe not.. As things stand now for that and other events, I’m a hard person to convince of definitely one way or the other. Solid proof is what is required for me….I may agree with some conjecture but if I have to take a stand, it will be on the side with solid proof.

  10. Yes. Aristotle was right on about that. Here are a few other quotes I came across in finding that one’s source:

    There are three kinds of intelligence; one kind understands things for itself, the other appreciates what others can understand, the third understands neither for itself nor through others. This first kind is excellent, the second good, and the third kind useless.

    -Niccolo Machiavelli

    The only chance for victory over the brainwash is the right of every man to have his ideas judged one at a time. You never get clarity as long as you have these packaged words, as long as a word is used by twenty-five people in twenty-five different ways. That seems to me to be the first fight, if there is going to be any intellect left.

    -Ezra Pound

    Philebus was saying that enjoyment and pleasure and delight, and the class of feelings akin to them, are a good to every living being, whereas I contend, that not these, but wisdom and intellegence and memory, and their kindred, right opinion and true reasoning, are better and more desirable than pleasure

    -Socrates

    Makes me think, many of these forms of media appeal to the veiwer/readers emotions, rather than their intellect. Which is form of logical fallacy.

  11. Given the amount of time, money, and energy devoted to controlling the “lamestream” media, infiltrating and “guiding” alternative media would be much easier, for reasons of size alone, if nothing else. This is all old hat to covert operations, as are threats, violence, and assassination.

    The most important thing is to keep one’s mind open and functioning. People have a tendency to divide up into “camps,” and that is one of the major traits used to control them. When one passes from looking and learning into hero-worship and fanaticism, then one becomes lost.

    It is said that the mark of an educated mind is the ability to entertain an idea without necessarily accepting it as true. The most important thing I learned from reading Sitchin and Gardiner was to really allow the full process of “what if this were true?” to unfold and follow the results and effects of that – one could call it a form of simulation. While I don’t buy everything those two say, it certainly broke my mind out of old ways of thinking and suddenly whole new layers of history came into sharp focus.

    I might entertain the possibility of shape-shifting Reptiles, but won’t order my life or thought processes around that as an article of faith. The same is true for the so-called “laws of physics,” I do not accept them as articles of faith either, especially given the politics of academia and the scientific community, and the clear evidence of manipulation by economic vested interests.

    I find that it is often more important to observe threads of ideas or “memes” as they are injected and move through society. That is how I spotted the Global Warming fraud early on – patterns of information release in the media, similar to Prouty’s revelation of the stories on Oswald appearing in New Zealand papers before he had even been arrested in Dallas. Look for patterns and for who benefits (like all the major players in Global Warming alarmism being heavily invested in carbon trading and related businesses – and the high priest of that crowd spending more on electricity at ONE of his homes in ONE year than I have in 40 YEARS combined!).

    One thing that is as close to a universal truth as I have found in nearly 6 decades is that nothing is ever what it appears to be. (to paraphrase G’Kar from Bablyon 5)

  12. I think the key to this whole issue is critical thinking. Who, after all, is the final arbiter when all the information is in?

    Critical thinking is the exact opposite of gulping down information and then going where the current wind blows. That’s pretty much what is taught in schools, at least the public school education that I received. The agenda there seemed to be what to think, how to think and where to think – which is to say “think the way we tell you”.

    It’s very hard to see through this and find a position relative to many ways of thinking and diverse information. A sort of deprogramming is necessary, in my opinion, which is often quite painful. We are taught that our “education” is a necessary part of our basic identity and when that gets deconstructed we feel like we are being taken apart at a fundamental level.

    I have been very fortunate to have had in my life several people that encouraged me to think critically and take a stand for my own reality even when a lot of that is counter to what appears to be going on around us. One of whom was a wonderful teacher in high school, ironically.

    I think we all determine what our personal reality is (and not in the “new age” sense promulgated by the people I call “white light Nazis” – the ones who, when things go badly in your life, get this look on their face and ask you why you created that reality. The best response to this is one a friend told me – “why, so you can feel superior to me!”)

    My point is that of course there is an “objective” consensus reality made up of all the overlap between us – the diversity that creates this is, I feel, a true saving grace. Each of us contributes to this from our place of reality sovereignty, to sort of coin a phrase. Exploring other people’s kingdoms is fascinating and magical – although sometimes very dark. I think Forrest Gump said it best: live is like a box of chocolates, you never know what your gonna get.

    By the same token, you won’t get anything if you don’t look. The key is too look incisively, creatively, and above all measure things against your own common sense – and your sense of wonder.

  13. @ W.R.

    I hear what you’re saying. Still, comapring FXN to Infowars is a bit of a stretch. AJ has probably woken up more people than anyone I’ve heard of. And when they notice the problems with his brand of progam, people move on hopefully. I know there is a large body of folks eating up his, and the like propaganda (if you want to call it that) but isn’t that better than FXN? At least he tells peolpe to check the facts for themselves, FX does not.

    Getting personal seems counter productive, when all you need to do is apply critical thinking, look at the references and make your own dicision about the material. It turns into a big soap opera otherwise.

  14. Just read the first chapter of your new book on the Feralhouse website and it brought to mind Sitchin and Velikosky works very similar to their books I look forward to reading the entire book when it comes out.

  15. I realized after listening to and watching Alex Jones that much of the alternative research community was just another “level of control.” Many of the consumers of alt media are really no different than their mainstream counterparts in that they believe everything that their favorite media personality tells them.

    A Fox News consumer will look down on people who consume their news from ABC, NBC, or CBS.

    An Alex Jonestown consumer will look down on Fox news consumers.

    In form they’re really no different.

    When consuming information (any information) from a media source, you should always ask yourself: Why was this information produced?

    You should look at information like an intelligence organization looks at information in that it always compares, contrasts, and confirms information with other sources to come to its conclusions.

    I repeat : Why was this information produced?

  16. Agreed. Also, this being no different than the groups formed in the 60’s and 70’s “on the ground” which were infiltrated by cointel-pro. These agents could then take charge, or radicalize groups, right? Same thing is happening, has been happening for years on the internet. It is obvious. Not to mention the possibilty of opportunists, taking advantage of people credulity, scaring them with hype then selling them “necessities”. And of course these tactics all overlap, no doubt.

    As to “radio”, podcasts, etc. one must differentiate between types of forums. There are talk show types, like the byte show, where the material is only as the guest who is speaking to the host, thought the host may have a more or less large agenda, or bias. Then there are the “information” based programs, where the host talks for a period on their area of expertise, or reaserch. These second, I would say need more rigorous referencing of their own, since the hosts bias is in the forefront.

  17. As noted with concise clarity:

    “Research Rigor” to be sure is key.
    Hypothesis…Test …..Research, Test, Test again, modify view,Research more…. ad infinitum.

    As a whole we see a compliant populous willing to believe ( as a result of social engineering )without doing due diligence to test, vet or delve into the specifics. Mental acuity degradation has been catalyzed on many fronts, in essence to ensure the thing most desired in a large captive population, that being docility.

    Research is NOT a spectator sport. It is an ACTIVITY.
    Esoteric research requires even more effort.

  18. I agree with this wholeheartedly. Back when alternative media was forming, look at it from the Elitist’s perspective. What would you do to squash it or dilute it? Well you wouldn’t confront it openly; much better to just infiltrate and hijack it. So now the rest of us must actually exercise our brain muscle and sift and filter what we read and hear. But that’s OK … real Truth has a way of making itself seen.

    1. I agree, we must do the extra work of sifting the grain from the chaff.
      I use a mental catagory style something like this:

      1, Truth: Very few items

      2. Possibility: A few more items

      3. Yeah, maybe: Quite a few items

      4. Probably not: Gobs & gobs of items

      5. Trash can: Massive numbers of items

  19. After reposting your Nefarium part 2 far and wide to friends who mostly can not conceive of HAARP and earthquake warfare, it gives me pleasure to see a few of them reposting it. The difficulty is perception – it is still just a very small percentage that can accept this possibility. The indoctrination has been almost total – “conspiracy” has been effectively discredited since the JFK assassination and Roswell before it, so much so that intelligent people will refuse even to look at evidence (my experience with telling friends about 9/11 for instance). I understand that for most the possibility is too frightening: “If that is what is going on, I don’t want to hear about it” was one response. So I now rarely attempt to convert anyone to these ideas, (although a good way-in on 9/11 is architects for truth), but I felt impelled to alert people to HAARP. One of the reasons for my reluctance is that so much in the alternative media is so bereft of evidence and so decidedly sketchy, as stated in the article – my decision to attempt to educate friends about HAARP is precisely because of the credibility of JF, “this is someone my sceptical friends might at least listen to”

    As an aside do you consider the sinking of the Titanic to have been a ritual magical act, establishing a meme of failure, sinking the unsinkable?

    Thank you Joseph for your work here – the social engineering that underlies this is rarely touched upon by others and its importance is profound.

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