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KING TUT’S DNA: THE FAMOUS PHARAOH WAS WESTERN EUROPEAN!?

Here's a rather intriguing article sent to me from my Facebook friend Daniel Jones:

King Tut\'s DNA is Western European

I find this quite intriguing on any number of levels. For one thing, it's one of the few instances -that I'm aware of at least - where y-chromosomal genetic research has made the public news. But for another, it is a slight indicator that those involved in reconstructing the genetic history of the human race are looking at such artifacts. Readers here will recall I did a short series a few weeks ago on the research interest in the European royal families...and now we have yet another interesting connection: King Tut.

What is most interesting about the article is that Tut seems to have belonged to a y-chromosomal haplogroup common to areas of Italy, the Iberian peninsula, and western England and Ireland. This is an important piece of historical information, adding yet another piece to a very massive puzzle, for geneticists are also convinced that humanity's origins spread from Africa, with a migration in part through the Middle East and then through the MEditerranean and the Balkan peninsula. In short, such a DNA identification would suggest that at some point, this "European" strain moved back into the Middle East.

That makes some sort of sense for there are African tribal legends - if I recall correctly, the Zulus for example - that indicate their tribes once were located much further north and migrated to the southern parts of that continent (for whatever reason). Then there are, of course, the mysterious Hyksos - well-known to biblical and Middle Eastern antiquities and anthropological scholars - who at some point (much later obviously) settled in Egypt, only to be driven out again if one believes certain Egyptian records.

At one level, this research indicates that a methodology will eventually be evolved, comparing genetics research results with the histories and legends of the peoples of that region, and perhaps, from that, finally, an accurate picture of human prehistory may emerge.

This raises the bar considerably, for it has long been my suspicion that there is a hidden agenda with some genetics research, that the proverbial "They" are looking for something, something somehow connected with the genetics history of the Europeans and perhaps more particularly its royal houses. I suspect, equally, that "they" will alsolook closely at the genetic connections of Polynesia, Micronesia, and certain tribes in South America (the Aymara of Bolivia for example).  Is this King Tut story proof of that? No, of course not. But viewed within the larger picture of ongoing interest in European royal houses, it does just so slightly raise the needle on my suspicion meter.

One thing is certain, however, and that is that such genetics studies will eventually end - if we are given the complete truth - by re-writing the history of the human race. And I suspect that virtually everyone will be in for some surprises.

 

24 thoughts on “KING TUT’S DNA: THE FAMOUS PHARAOH WAS WESTERN EUROPEAN!?”

  1. I had an odd experience with the administrator of a page called Secrets of Ancient Egypt on facebook, a page I had liked and enjoyed reading. Their newest post was that there was evidence that King Tut’s DNA is Western European and that only 1% of modern Egyptians are actually related to the line of pharaohs. So I commented something along the lines that it seemed very odd that considering each pharaoh had numerous if not hundreds of wives and even more hundreds of children over the span of thousands of years, that it was possible that almost no one in modern Egypt was related to the blood of pharaohs.

    The administrator replied somewhat rudely to me (he was offended I called the post a theory) that I must be ignorant of the fact that ancient Egypt had a caste system similar to India so it shouldn’t be a surprise that the bloodlines didn’t mix. So I answered asking whether he thought then that ALL those with royal blood just one day got up and left? He replied, “Haven’t you ever heard of Exodus from the bible?”

    So I said, “OK, so you’re telling me that when in the bible Moses says, ‘let my people go….’ that he was actually talking to a “non-royal” pharaoh about his people who were actually those of the royal blood of Egypt, while in the bible they called Moses’s people Jewish slaves?”

    Suddenly my last reply above was mysteriously deleted. I though a glitch had happened so I reposted it. Then it was gone again. So I reposted a 3rd time also asking whether he was intentionally deleting my posts. Next thing I know ALL of my posts were deleted from the thread and I am now somehow barred from being able to post to the site!

    I can’t believe that I, just some guy on facebook must have so infuriated and confounded some so-called “expert” to the point where he not only couldn’t refute what I had just written, but felt the need to remove my question completely from the page!

  2. The Irish Annuls, are much misrepresented here. I have extensively studied the Annuls and other University Protected Historic Writings; the Egyptian Princess who married Milesius of Spain was Scotia, daughter of Egyptian King Necho, about 630 B.C. According to the Irish Annuls and other calendar methods of counting years, Milesius and Scotia lived in about the year 3,500 Anno Mundi [Year of the World]. What I find most interesting of this date, is no matter what calendar method one uses you will arrive at this A.M. date [3500]. While many will continue to argue the date of these events, nonetheless, the numbers will continue to compute in agreement. The ancient recorded facts of history which predate the modern ideas, agree more mathematically than the modern assumption of events. In an absolute understanding of ancient writings, the sons of Milesius were half Scythian [Hebrew YDNA] and Egyptian Royal [mtDNA]. Heremon, son of Milesius and Scotia married to Tamar, the Hebrew Princess of Judah in about the year 598 B.C. in Spain [her historic arrival in Spain comes through the Babylonian Diaspora]. What many people forget, is with only one Egyptian mother [Scotia], the descending female mtDNA will revert. For example, if my grandmother is Egyptian 100% my mother is 50% and myself becomes 25%. By the fourth generation and no continuing Egyptian mtDNA, it will be replaced with other mtDNA of source. What this means is, the Egyptian mtDNA becomes recessive while the mtDNA from source becomes dominate. The Tut YDNA simply proves we all began long ago from a common ancestor. As we spread aboard and became physically adaptive to environment and food consumption many of our alleles mutated, with coupling within the same genetics we formed the many different YDNA and mtDNA. Could it be the R1b and the R1a are actually a close dna to the origin of all humans? If so, why did it not mutate further? We have a lot more to learn people, just chil.

    1. I read somewhere several years ago that Ramses The Great had red hair.(might be related to my wife LOL). I don’t care enough to research it… at my age.

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      1. I think I heard mentioned that in the past (and still today in some Arab countries) when men got grey hair they started dying it using henna. Rather than thinking the pharaohs of European descent, maybe that’s the explanation….

  3. King Tut Western European is a RUMOR it is not a fact. Dr. Hawass and associates have not released a report of Tut’s DNA. This so called DNA results were from a T.V. program thats all. Its no proof that it’s actually Tut’s DNA. Dr. Hawass has not confirmed these rumors or released any reports stating its true of false. Stop Bellieving Everything, You See On T.V. Its just television and NOT Facts

  4. I think everyone believes what they see on T.V.. Were commenting on a T.V. program which is absolutely ridiculous. ,Dr. Hawass and axxociates have not released any reports regarding Kin Tut’s DNA. We are commenting on a so called genius who claims the results shown on the program was RB1 and that is highly concentrated in Europe, Scotland. Can he be sure that it was King Tut’s DNA? Prior to the program, Dr. Hawass said he would not release King Tut’s racial identity. What if he decides to release the reports of Tut’s identity and ifs not RB1? Dr. Hawass and his associates would say those DNa results didn’t belong to Tut and it was used as a decoy to conceal Tut’s true DNA. Without a report in writting from from Dr. Hawass and associates, it is just Rumors and not facts. What we should do is demand the results. Especially since his program displayed DNA results thought to be King Tut’s when he said he would not release his racial identitiy. Dr. Hawass should release the reports so people can be skeptical or embrace the results of Tut’s DNA in his report.

  5. So Tutankhamen has Euopean ancestors how interesting but one should be surprise during the Bronze age there seems to have been more long range voyages due to the scareity of tin and their are the embrassing nicotine and cocaine mummies artifacts found places where they shouldn’t be and as in Anicent Discoveries technologies ahead of their time if we are to belive the archaeologists by the way in the Naked Archaeologist I will give you something to rack your brain it seems Simcha Jacobovici postalated that Saul better know as Paul of Tarus was a mole working for the Romans to infiltrate Jesus movement after his death and interesting idea don’t you think so what can believe in the histroy books and holy scriptures.

  6. Rewriting the History of the Human Race (Paradigm). This is a worthwhile enterprise as long as it isn’t like Stalin’s chrony(s) rewriting history in the cause of some Ideological Tyrant or Monster!. Now, that is scary!

    Yes, we could have a revolution of the mind/consciousness and all that jazz but what if it’s worst than the sh*t that was before it? We were going to have a revolution that would change the world back in the sixties and look what we got instead – Ronald-macdonald-reagan. Sure there was a revolution alright – A Revolution up on the top! Stuff like that keeps me awake in the middle of the night contemplating all sorts of troubles.

    By the way, “middle of the night thoughts/dreams” can be quite fascinating. Not like all the inpersonal muck we drown in on a daily basis living in this “Society” off its Rocker!

    Enough of that. I recall decades ago Anthropology’s representatives getting excited (before DNA) over the idea that through language breakdown they could posibly pinpoint the migrations of humans in the ancient past. That’s still an interesting concept but it loses its shine in lieu of all this DNA speculation!

    I recall an almost, unorthodox anthropology book called “Reinventing Anthropology.” Let’s reinvent Anthropology. (that is if Anthropology is worth saving in the first place. I don’t know?)

  7. While i am not big fan of citing wikipedia, one commentator on the article did source this (some interesting geographical links):

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Haplogroup R1b

    Haplogroup R1b (Y-DNA).jpg
    Possible time of origin less than 18,500 years BP[1]
    Possible place of origin Southwest Asia [2]
    Ancestor R1
    Descendants R1b1a (R-V88), R1b1b (R-P297)
    Defining mutations 1. M343 defines R1b in the broadest sense
    2. P25 defines R1b1, making up most of R1b, and is often used to test for R1b
    3. In some cases, major downstream mutations such as M269 are used to identify R1b, especially in regional or out-of-date studies
    Highest frequencies Western Europe, Northern Cameroon, Hazara, Bashkirs
    Approximate distribution of Haplogroup R1b in Europe.

    In human genetics, Haplogroup R1b is the most frequently occurring Y-chromosome haplogroup in Western Europe, parts of central Eurasia (for example Bashkortostan[3]), and in parts of sub-Saharan Central Africa (for example around Chad and Cameroon). R1b is also present at lower frequencies throughout Eastern Europe, Western Asia, Central Asia, and parts of North Africa. Due to European emigration it also reaches high frequencies in the Americas and Australia. While Western Europe is dominated by the R1b1b2 (R-M269) branch of R1b, the Chadic-speaking area in Africa is dominated by the branch known as R1b1a (R-V88). These represent two very successful “twigs” on a much bigger “family tree”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_%28Y-DNA%29

  8. Or they are looking for people who have the “gene of the ancients’ so they can clone it for soldiers in order to operate secret weapons in antarctica……….against would be aliens with big egos and a taste for ancient cultural identities……..hhhmmmm

  9. Looks like the bottom just fell out of the market for clunky fake gold jewelry with an Egyptian motif.
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  10. I smell a rat.

    This sounds suspiciously like the return of the ‘Aryan Ancient Model’ as Martin Bernal would put it.

    However let’s not forget that tutankhamun’s father was Akhenaton-monotheist….heretic and depicted with a really weird head.

    The problem with Egypt is the length of time the civilisation covers. I think Bernal and Bauval (Black Genesis) and Co. have hit the nail on the head with the earlier dynasties having a central african origin-and strong western semetic influence (which brings nabta playa, the dogon, Sumeria etc into the picture).

    The later dynasties definately have other ethnic influences-the Hyksos, the Sea people (who may be connected to the Mycenaeans and Philistines-yes Goliath-Titans, Giants etc etc).

  11. Maybe “they” are looking for scientific proof to their claims of divine privilege.

    I’ve wondered if the push to do DNA testing on everyone is about classifying and grading humans by the content of certain genetic strains which reinforce their ideas about bloodlines – so they can know who to keep around and who to exterminate.

    Or maybe they are trying to establish who should rule by which group has the largest amount of DNA spread around – a sort of genetic redistricting.

    Or maybe they need to find The Ancient Gene so they can run the technology left by our alien forecreatures.

  12. some video/audio clarity on the involuntary TUT DNA leak:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beFJc9ewLXQ&NR=1&feature=fvwp
    1 Discovery King Tut DNA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNmZQJsRjrc&feature=related
    2 Discovery King Tut DNA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUMFRiRz1FM&feature=related
    Red Ice Radio 1/6 King Tut DNA/R Bauval

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wccgN467E8&feature=related
    Tut Caucasian origin

    http://www.eutimes.net/2010/06/king-tuts-dna-is-western-european European Union Times Tut DNA W.Europe

  13. If this is true, it will certainly be a significant discovery for the study of ancient history.

  14. I suspect you are correct, Joseph, there will be surprises for everyone at the conclusion and the entire results are known. I have really had trouble with the “out of Africa” theory since I was old enough to conceive of it. I can’t tell you what doesn’t sit well with me but I remember when I was a young fellow and first heard this, I thought “Huh?! We ALL came from there?!”. I still have no idea what about it doesn’t sound right, though.

    Thanks for this site, Joseph!

  15. Read Barry Fell’s “America BC”–there’s even mention of a spoken language (1970) related to Basque too.

    The point is there were lots of North African settlers and traders all over southern Europe–in particular Spain.

    The larger point is that many of them also made it to north America between 1000 bce and 200 ce.

  16. Hmmm… Reminds me a bit of Michael Tsarion’s position.
    I think he says that civilization spread FROM Western Europe to the rest of the globe. That EUTimes article would seem to support that thesis… at least in a small way.

  17. Spirit Splice

    This is the biggest obvious secret there is, Western Europeans were apparently all over the Earth at very early periods. Kennewick Man, the Xinjiang mummies of China, the Legends in the Americas of bearded white men giving them civilization, the evidence is everywhere. Why people who display imperialist natures would want to keep this a secret is the real question. It seems the only people open about this subject were the Nazis.

  18. Oh no! First Nefertiti and now Tutankhamen. Hawass must be beside himself. Michael Tsarion in his Irish Origins claims Nefertiti is of European descent and is buried in Ireland. These claims raise a few suspicions with me as well. First of all how accurate is the DNA testing and has it been challenged and retested by a second or third party and secondly this article appeared in the European Union Times whose agenda is probably in line with the One World, One Religion, NWO concept. It wouldn’t surprise me if the EU Times reported Tut actually spoke Esperanto. British royalty is of German descent so it looks like their is probably a long history of carpetbagging elites taking over countries. Has anyone seen Tut’s birth certificate?

  19. Dashiell Cabasa

    Yes…reminds me of what Dad used to always say lol ‘ Lad…just take whatever ‘they’ tell you, and reverse it…it might not always be true, but you will be far closer to heading in the right direction truthwise…’,
    I’d also add…that when ‘they’ tell you you are being paranoid…multiply it by some large amount that seems absurd even to yourself…and you’ll still be nowhere near to even inadvertantly slandering them..lol

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