Well, by now some of you may be aware that I have had an epiphany of sorts of just yesterday, regarding the woeful state of alternative research and its "community". What started out as an attempt to bring some sanity and analysis into the whole Comet Elenin matter became...what? Well, for one thing, introductions are supposed to be, well, introductions, not endless excursions through the tulips of nine-terraced pyramids at Tikal, which are by a process of reasoning that remain obscure to me, each examples of evolution at the biological, political, social, and cosmic scales, then from there into resonance effects and a deluge of numbers and calculations barely visible on my screen, to something about brown dwarf stars, Zechariah Sitchin, and how hydrogen bombs cause resonance effects.

Having trouble following all that? Well, if so, join the club.

What I'm referring to is a video conference I was asked to participate in the other day. Now, mind you, I don't begrudge the invitation, but what gave me increasingly stupefied pause as I listened to most of the other speakers was how far afield they ranged from the actual topic of discussion, which was supposed to be the Comet Elenin and all the media-internet hype associated with it. As I listened to the other speakers, I kept thinking to myself "Why am I here? What has any of my research to do with this?"

Again, what was supposed to be a kind of analytical stage to parse various scenarios became a jarring Picasso-esque experiment in video cubism, with so many dissonant perspectives that what emerged was a clanging confusion and no real analysis at all, and certainly no picture(s), at least, not any I felt really comfortable in identifying with. In fact, to refer to it as a kind of video cubism is to do an injustice to Picasso, for even his paintings retain some semblance of the objective and order. What this was turned out to be more like a video experiment cousin to Jackson Pollock. There was little moderation of any effective sort, no attempt to blend a good mix of panelists with their backgrounds. And on questions that I had little or no interest (or even knowledge), it was of course at that juncture the moderator asked me for commentary...

... Frankly, I sat there, stunned... unable to form a clear thought because there was - with a couple of exceptions - so little of it taking place. It reinforced, however, my conviction that the video and audio media are, for the most part, incapable of communicating detail that is best communicated in books, and that the alternative community is less about research than it is about agendas and divas each singing to a different libretto. To say that I was frustrated with the whole course of events would be to put it very mildly.  The relaxed atmosphere of radio, an extended conversation, I do not mind, but I shall be more mindful in the future of conferences and so on, if only to avoid the impression of endorsing ideas I do not endorse. Only one other panelist took care to state that when one is trying to "read the tea leaves," or proposing a scenario, that one isn't holding it as some sort of dogma. I tried to inject, initially, some sanity into the proceedings but realized it was a lost cause. So....never again!

One person put it to me best, referring to the interview my co-author on Grid of the Gods, Dr. Scott D. deHart's eleven-year-old son Bennett, did with me as the talking rubber ball Mike Flanchered, and which I posted elsewhere on this site: Mike Flanchered did a better interview, was more to the point, and took far less time to do it, than did this experience.  I agree.

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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. Jigsaw on July 4, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    Conference brings to mind an iteration of ‘The Stargate Conspiracy’ Picknett & Prince (1999), a prescient take on seeding ideas into the culture relating to Egypt and celestial connections, as have unfolded in the last decade.

  2. Thomas Marz on July 1, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    LoL How did that speaker back up any of those claims and assertions?

  3. paraschtick on June 29, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    … And talking of insanity, I was just listening to a podcast (Dawn of Shades) which featured an interview with a guy called Len Kasten who has written a sort of history of ET-Human interactions or … something.

    Anyway, he devotes an entire 2 chapters in this book to his discovery that Adolph Hitler not only made a pact with aliens from beyond the stars in 1933 but so did the Allies. And not only that but Hitler’s Stormtroopers (were … and get this, huugge dollops of Star Wars here) … were in fact, CLONES!! In fact the whole of WW2 was an attempt at an alien invasion or some such (yes I was a bit bored listening to this tripe by this point lol) but the fact that we had Nikola Tesla on our side tipped the balance in ‘our’ favour!

    Now hows that for alien visitors, Nazis and the whole genetic thing wrapped up in one lovely but god awful package??

    You think you’ve heard it all … and then … you haven’t.

    Best wishes

    Harvey P aka paraschtick

  4. Colby Branson on June 26, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    I was going to buy a ticket , but backed out….glad I did that. Joseph thank you for your hard work!! People like me need to hear it . Glad someone else thinks that Cassidy is bad interviewer. She doesn’t let people finish their thoughts. She has to interject her own thought to prove how smart she is. The interview with Dr. Peterson shows this clearly and rises big time interviewing Greer
    As for Bill Ryan. I think he is a sweet guy , but he needs to take off the ugly hat LOL!!

    Glad the community is becoming aware of PC. Cassidy needs to become (Awake and Aware) of how she is being seen conducting her business! Thanks Colby

  5. LSM on June 26, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Hi Dr. Farrel,

    I assumed you might come away from this conference feeling a bit “challenged” 🙂

    but, hey, when will people finally wake up and realize that even the good folks (and I truly believe they are sincere) at Project Camelot have been infiltrated by their Illuminati-sponsored witnesses (well, not all, but some) to promote “divide and rule,” hence the separation of Cassidy and Ryan and their ever more divided opinions on each other’s agendas-

    the competition never sleeps…

    Larry in Germany

  6. HAL838 on June 26, 2011 at 6:29 am

    Well, according to the http://www.SpaceWeather.com
    page (I don’t know if that will link) the NEO (near earth object)
    2011MD, will come within approximately one earth diameter
    as it gracefully swings around our planet as if it is performing a
    gravity nudge (I forget the tech term.)


    It’s ‘only’ 6 to 10 meters (around a yard=meter)
    and may fly into or through, some of our geosynchronis
    satelites ‘up there.’

    Is this suppose to be Elenin?
    If so, or even if not, why hasn’t this made the news
    and kind of hidden on the Space Weather page?

    • HAL838 on June 26, 2011 at 6:31 am

      That’s tomorrow AM at the closest as it swings around.
      Sorry; I thought I was forgetting something ;’)

  7. sj smith on June 26, 2011 at 5:33 am

    I’d decided the Cassidy/Ryan duo were ego-based idiots after their absurd affront/ assault on Dr. Steven Greer, and haven’t listened to them since. They did get the ball rolling with Camelot, but seemed to have succumbed to being a disinformation tool. Watch out for your own credibility as a result. As for Hoagland, I’m still waiting for an explanation of his Dr. Judy Wood rip-off performance at the Amsterdam conference where he was meant to offer new insights into NASA’s secret space program. Pretty nervy considering he had never even met or talked with Dr. Wood. I suspect his connection to NASA runs pretty deep.All of this illustrates the immensity and complexity of the total pollution and manipulation of the 4th dimension of ideas and thoughts. Better to bypass it completely, and tune-in with the 6th, as BH Clow has advised.

    • paraschtick on June 27, 2011 at 3:39 am

      That interview with Greer was the best thing PC ever did in my opinion. It really showed that neither party has the truth to the UFO phenomenon in any way. Greer is a pumped up narcissist who charges exorbitant fees to gullible people for shining torches into the sky on properties and land he shouldn’t be on (see the latest court case regarding Greer and his lack of permits). He also lied through his teeth about a so called alien baby a few years back, and did a big disservice to the UFO field with his very dodgy press conference in 2001 where he showcased decent people with interesting stories but seeded it with very dubious people too.

      Project Camelot is also a disinfo organisation in my opinion. They have a couple of decent people on there like Dr Farrell but also have total nutcases/disinfo nutters like David Wilcock. And as it has been stated already, Bill Ryan has some very dodgy connections (see Project Serpo et al) and should not be taken seriously on any level. As for Cassidy … well listening to her New Age psycho-babble for a few minutes will give you an idea where her brains aren’t kept.

      (Bill Ryan also gives hats a really bad name lol)

      I think Dr Farrell is right to avoid such places in the future. It must have been extremely disheartening to be in his position during the roundtable discussion. I know I have been extremely disheartened being around the forums and places I have been in the last few years. I was glad to get out of it all in the end but still hold out a tiny dollop of hope that things will get better. Though that dollop does seem to be getting smaller and smaller as time goes on lol.

  8. paraschtick on June 26, 2011 at 2:11 am

    It doesn’t surprise me at all that Dr Farrell found the Project Camelot roundtable session to be well … insane. Since that is what PC having been pushing for years ie insanity. Kerry Cassidy is unfortunately a new age kook, and Ryan is well …. he was involved with Project Serpo … so thats all you need to know about him.

    The only decent thing they have done is to interview Steven Greer. If you manage to hear the interview or see it … well its totally priceless. The discussion is more of an argument of who has the truth. As we know neither has but it is totally priceless to see them trying to knock six bells out of each other. Great fun.

    • Christopher on June 26, 2011 at 2:15 pm

      Not to mention Ryan’s involvement with Scientology, his denouncement of “The Church”, and his endorsement of L. Ron Hubbard’s “teachings” and “Friends of Ron Org”….all of which he has openly talked about on his site.

      • paraschtick on June 29, 2011 at 9:44 pm

        Oh I didn’t know that. Thats really interesting. I wonder if The Church is like the CIA. Once you are in you never leave?? Hmm … I wouldn’t be at all surprised. Well thanks for that, Christopher.

        Best wishes

        harvey p aka paraschtick

  9. Jens on June 25, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    Well, sorry for that, but when I first read on your blog that you are going to participate in this event, and with that group (except for Hoagland, as someone mentioned before), I knew this will end in an chaotic event with no result and disapointment only, for you for sure and for Hoagland I guess too.

    Up to a point I would say that an exchange of ideas and discussions inside the alternative science group is of dire need. The biggest problem with that would be to find those few who are actually taking a scientific advance to it instead of creating their own substitute religion.
    Therefore I am thankful for you work, Joseph, beeing one of the few who never forgets to mention that everything you say and write is a theory.
    I wish some of the “real” scientists would remember that once in a while, than maybe their could be an intercourse even between alternative and public science, what is just as neccessary.

    Thanks for your work and all the energy you put into it.

  10. Dr. Scott D. de Hart on June 25, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    I have it on good authority that Mike Flanchered has just returned from a demanding schedule of interviews world wide. As you might have guessed, he is quite selective about who he interviews, thus avoiding some of the issues you recently faced. Good news, Mike Flanchered has contacted your agent (not the CIA one) for an interview next week … and it will be his final interview before he returns to the ball-court of the pyramid in Mexico where he first achieved fame with the Mayans. Best wishes on your speedy recovery from that … well, disappointing interview. Perhaps Mike can help set things right. Keep up the good work.

    • Joseph P. Farrell on June 25, 2011 at 7:34 pm


      • Bennett5205 on June 25, 2011 at 9:04 pm

        “hi joseph this mike flanchered see ya in a week!”

      • Kevin Mutch on June 26, 2011 at 3:18 am

        it doesnt sound like we are any closer to finding out if there is a real threat with Elenin approaching ever closer , Terral03 and his followers on you tube are convinced a this object is really a dark star and he has issued threat assesment charts and organised survival groups they really believe a cataclysm is coming….I want to thank Mr Farrel for being so honest about his fellings on the conference !

        • Dalton on June 26, 2011 at 10:06 am

          Kev, Terral03 has done no research on dark stars it appears. his rambling idiocy smells much like the Branch Davidian stuff of some years ago.

  11. MQ on June 25, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    I’m having a “Kreskin Moment”: I predict that some drone from PC will see these “horrible” comments and conclude (as their extensive 15 minute search on the internet proved) that Dr Farrell IS in fact CIA and Illuminati, and his sole purpose for existence is to bring down the righteous PC. They will then have to call their internet-based crystal healer to help re-balance their energies from the “psychic onslought” brought on by such “non-intuitive” people who look at facts rather than channeled feelings they get after a couple of demerols with a mojito chaser.

  12. MattB on June 25, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    “..a jarring Picasso-esque experiment in video cubism, with so many dissonant perspectives that what emerged was a clanging confusion and no real analysis at all, and certainly no picture(s), at least, not any I felt really comfortable in identifying with. In fact, to refer to it as a kind of video cubism is to do an injustice to Picasso, for even his paintings retain some semblance of the objective and order”


    • terrylee3000 on June 25, 2011 at 7:25 pm


      I second that!

  13. Christopher on June 25, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Having followed PC for a few years and seeing it spiral into moonbat kookery, I cringed when Dr. Farrell announced he’d be participating in this conference. I honestly saw this coming.

    But look at the bright side Dr. Farrell….at least you were not asked for your opinion on the blood drinking reptilian overlords. lol

  14. Dave Walton on June 25, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    On a positive note, you are much wiser and better informed about these things now, as we all are now. Moreover, your level of academic, professional research and analysis stands out in stark contrast to most alternative researchers. I believe there is always something positive to learn and take from every situation 🙂 Keep up the GREAT work Joseph!!!

  15. Chuck on June 25, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    I wondered why Dr Farrell was doing that conference. Except for Hoagland those writers seem kinda insidious. Their websites were mostly filled with Alt-new-age hysteria, misinformation, self-love.

    On a similar subject, Wikipedia’s entry on “2012 phenomena” is one of the best level-headed discussions I’ve seen. Dr. Farrell, it seems, wisely stays out of the apocalypse babble, probably not wanting to alienate himself from other legit alternative historians like Hoagland.

    And FYI; Andy Loyd’s site may be the worst; along with links to online gambling, you may also buy his ‘artwork’. His dark star theory is just insulting. And there’s a picture of himself on his website, being handed a staff by some native South American, as if he alone has come to save them.


  16. Citizen Quasar on June 25, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    Thank you for introducing me to Mike Flanchered. Is that a racquetball that talks?

    Kinda’ reminds me of a talking soccer ball. Yes…”Wilson.”

    I think they owe you an apology. They should take a tip from Tom Hanks:


    I guess I could overkill things by comparing your conference to one with Wilson Wilson:


    Hang in there and keep up the good work, Joseph!

  17. Christian de Coninck Lucas on June 25, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    My sympathies, Joseph. Think of it as school money. I had a similar epihany at an Xcon in 2008.

    Dont worry…research, patience, science and some pretty fast writing, will see you through. I’ll prove it to you right now…

    You know the premise of your book Genes, Giants, Monsters and Men? Sure you do. Well, I don’t buy it. Not on the face of it anyway. And I listened very carefully when you gave your C2C interview on that book. But I’m sure as hell going to read it…..you may find that bit of unpopular or forgotten bit of science that gets me looking into just such a spectacular scenario. You’ve done it before.

    So there….proof!


  18. carlee on June 25, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Thank you Joseph for doing all the hard work you do. I am glad you posted what went down with the video conference . Looking forward to your Red Ice Interview .

  19. Michael on June 25, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Dr. Farrell,

    Can you recommend any primer or instructional video program on basic rhetorical theory that we might add to our arsenal of Weapons of Mass Instruction?

  20. Donna on June 25, 2011 at 10:44 am

    Joseph, I feel your pain. I wasn’t able to listen live, so listened to the conference later in the evening. Richard Hoagland was on point as always, but I too was confused about the other guests. So I simply skipped to you — and then the tape cut you off! So unfortunately I didn’t even get to hear your entire presentation.

    This was the second (and last) time I paid to attend one of Kerry’s online conferences. The first one had a ton of technical problems. Yesterday’s was just poorly planned, and as a moderator, Kerry was sorely lacking in content knowledge. I felt she didn’t do her homework. This was a big disappointment.

  21. Mike Meehan on June 25, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Dear Joseph

    I now discern exactly what you infer. I am currently at the 01.03 point of the post-live stream of Elenin Pt 1. And, it’s gone completely off-kilter! An opportunity, totally, missed!

  22. Vic on June 25, 2011 at 10:31 am

    I bought a ticket for the conference because I wanted to listen to Dr, Farrell’s analysis of the Elenin phenomenon. I was at first dissapointed that he did not participated much, but half way thru the event I was glad he basically stayed out of the “discussion”. He seemed out of place.

    • Joseph P. Farrell on June 25, 2011 at 1:05 pm

      It became pointless after a while, and I FELT out of place!

      • Michael on June 25, 2011 at 7:41 pm

        Great! I mean, your feelings are what really count most when you’re expounding your case, right?

      • Kent Brashear on June 26, 2011 at 12:12 pm

        Joseph, you looked out of place and it showed. I felt for you.
        I agree about your comment about books; can’t beat them when they are done right.

        One Hoagland comment: He without a doubt is my favorite speaker because he brings so much infectious passion to his talks. I have only one negative thing to say about Richard C. Hoagland. His incessant name-dropping is embarrassing. Every big name is, “his good friend.” But even so, I flat out just like the man.

  23. terrylee3000 on June 25, 2011 at 9:50 am

    I recently had a similar and frustrating experience on a comments section of a particular blog. The blog is geopolitical in nature but the comments are so off topic and distracting that by the time you read a few of them you are completely mind wiped of the contents of the blog. After going through comments and links to the “Is Paul Dead” debate, 2500 word essays on Bible Babble, creepy new age soft talkers, organic food fascists, supplement snake oil salesmen, lengthy discussions on elite bloodlines and even a recipe for four mushroom fettucini, I blew a gasket and posted a comment expressing my disdain. The response was so aggressive. I was ridiculed, accused of being an Oprah loving TV addict, pitied for not being awake and given nauseating sympathy for being so “hurt” by the truth. The high and mighty know it all factor siren was ringing full blast. Ouch, what a stupid experience. What is so hard about staying on topic?

  24. Linda on June 25, 2011 at 9:25 am

    This was not an epiphany for you- just reinforcement. You have commented on the lack of research before. Remember also that two people can read the same material, use it for source, and come up with different conclusions. Then again, some material can be ignored and who’s to know unless one reads all the sources cited?

    Anyway, conferences like this are a pet peeve of mine. Graciously thank these people for trying and those who do what they can to make the material available. They try to do a great service.


    Joseph, you should have received a list of “points” the host expected to cover and have the guests respond specifically to, regarding the subject matter. A conference based merely on people who have an opinion on the subject will go nowhere fast. Granted, a good host should pay careful attention when they get a nugget thrown their way and be willing to pursue it for a bit, as long as it isn’t too far off topic. One would like to be freeform to allow something new to come out, to coax a new revelation out of a guest, but a conference is not the place for that. Of course, the host has to refrain from straying too far from the subject or getting too entranced by an aspect that is not that important.

    I don’t listen much to Project Camelot material because such venues should not be for the host to elaborate on whatever they want to. They try to do a service, you have to thank them for that, but seem to forget that people are there to listen to the guests. Welcome to “do it yourself media.” Sometimes I think that people would do themselves- and those they wish to help learn- a favor, by learning how to use the medium.

    If this was supposed to be more of a debate, I think you cannot do that effectively without all members of the panel in the same room at the same time. There are things that the Internet is not very effective for. Have the panel, tape it, then make it accessible over the Internet.

    Perhaps it would have been of greater service to do separate interviews on Elenin, with the authors giving access to their sources on their own sites, and present that for people who chew and digest on. Give the ying and yang of the subject and let the viewer decide.

    P.S.- some helpful hints to burgeoning interviewer Mike Flanchered- Remember not to shout into the mic! You have a great career ahead of you.

  25. Robert Barricklow on June 25, 2011 at 8:40 am

    par for course in the empire of illusion.

    Chris Hedges on the work of Sheldon Wolin, 2 April 2011 vodpod

  26. Pedro Marcos on June 25, 2011 at 8:27 am

    Well, I am not one bit surprised.
    After seeing some “Project Camelot” videos a few years back, I felt a bid sad seeing adult people with such a lack rational discipline.
    I remember the enterview that the “Camelot Couple” did with Joseph and was a bit irritated by the superficial questions and comments of Kerry. And I dare to believe that Joseph felt the same.

    I think that Kerry – as most women – tend to take what is complicated or confusing (whether or not done on purpose) for something profound or “deep”, if those ideas struck an emotional cord.

    Be free to call me sexist but when I see women in this endeavours, I become VERY suspicious.

    Kerry might be a good person but I see that she is too gullible, trendy, superficial and emotional.

    The alternative community must be free to speculate as long as it is done on hard data, otherwise it can say everything and that means nothing at all. A total waste of money but mainly of time.

    • MizGreen on June 25, 2011 at 10:08 am

      “Be free to call me sexist” — okay, Pedro, you’re sexist. 😀 But I’m laughing because I’m figuring your over-the-top comments are in jest. I hope. 🙂

      Most everyone here is critical of Kerry C. (gender-based?) but what amazes me is the suggestion that her former partner Bill Ryan is better. Good heavens, have you seen the garbage Ryan has been peddling lately? They’re BOTH huge on show-biz and weak on solid material.

      Having Dr. Farrell presented with this sort of ‘interviewers’ is like asking Ella Fitzgerald to sing in concert with Britney Spears, Lady Gaga, and Katy Perry. 😀

      Dr. Farrell, you’re at your best with an intelligent interviewer who can present you and your work and not try to override it — good. solid people like Noory, George Ann, or the guys from the web bot site (that interview was quite good, I thought).

      Or, of course, Mike Flanchered! 🙂

  27. JWA05 on June 25, 2011 at 8:20 am

    I was tempted to pony up with the likes of Mr. Farrell and RCH, but I’ve long ago turned my back on project Camelot , especially Miss Cassidy who takes it as gospel that there is a galactic federation and higher light beings visiting the earth with no data to back this up, or other silliness.

    Alternative media does a very competent job of shooting itself in the foot with only a small handful of individuals who actually do real research and present data to back it up.

  28. Thomas Marz on June 25, 2011 at 8:09 am

    Bingo Joseph.

    Being at a round table discussion with Kerry Cassiday isnt like being interviewed by Bill Ryan is it?

    Plus a lot of those other speakers are too narrowly focused on their “research” and can’t admit when their wrong and/or need to hit the books and rationalize their arguments a lot better.

    • Dalton on June 25, 2011 at 8:25 am

      Very true Thomas, there is a fine line between Scientific Research and insanity, I did post earlier before I had registered , the essence of which is that PC used Joseph and his achedemic credibility to prop up what amounted to a LOT of speculation that otherwise may well have been discounted by many. Other than Richards theories (rightly or wrongly for which he does at least provide data) the PC round table affair came across as either erronious work and speculation or in the worst case possible rampant ramblings bordering on insanity. The easiest way for Kerry to at least keep listeners onside for 5 hours is to have somebody of Joseph’s stature there, lets be honest, when somebody mentions Brown Dwarf Star and Elenin in the same sentence it becomes obvious they have little or no command of basic physics or they simply haven’t done any credible research of their own however those that at that point would have closed their pc down will look and see Joseph there and think ” Ahhh Dr Farrell, there must be something in this” and continue to listen. I think without Joseph last night and possibly Rich Hoagland that round table would have become a laughing stock of anybody past first grade educational level.

      Kind Regards


  29. Laura Lee on June 25, 2011 at 7:00 am

    Look, this will probably strike everyone as being very catty of me. It does fail one of the three elements of the True-Necessary-Kind criteria for saying anything. It is my unkind opinion. Project Camelot has rubbed me the wrong way for a long time now. Kerry Cassidy is, I’m sure, a perfectly nice person. But she’s also made me wince too often and wish heartily that she would just shut up. After that impression came to the fore, I thereafter avoided the Camelot content as having a very real fingernails-on-a-blackboard quality for me. Very “Valley Girl,” Kerry is. On more than one interview, as she got tough with interviewees, from the content of her challenges I was surprised she wasn’t chewing gum. Bubble gum. Brrr. A diva?

    She needed Bill to provide the ability to articulate actual questions of any substance. And as well, to understand the responses to those questions.

    I don’t consider this a personal attack. It is just my yes, critical, observation. No, I didn’t put any money down to watch the Elenin discussion. If the organizer is that airhead, how organized can it be? If you jack-up a serious airhead and put a sophisticated communications technology under her, she can then present her abilities to a wider audience. (Sigh.) I understand the frustration. Give a girl a video camera and a computer and…stand well back.

    • sj smith on June 26, 2011 at 5:58 am

      @Laura Lee, you express my own estimation of Cassidy, as well as my reaction to her. As for Ryan, I was told he is a Scientologist. His english is of the Public School type, and is easy to listen to, but Cassidy’s casual and lazy use of language is very fatiguing after a while, as is her personal insertion of ego.I think it is wonderful how quickly this arena of ‘disclosure’ has developed, and how attuned our BS Meters are becoming.I am grateful to Camelot for their early work, but now I’m mainlining Red Ice.

      • suga on June 26, 2011 at 7:21 pm

        In fact, sj smith,

        Bill Ryan is listed as an enemy of Scientology. http://www.xenu.net/archive/disk/enemy/nm_lst.htm

        In an interview of Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy, Bill mentioned the purpose of him being on this list.

  30. Dalton on June 25, 2011 at 6:28 am

    As I said last night Joseph, signal to noise my friend. My personal opinion is you were hijacked to lend your scientific credibility to what would otherwise been a purely speculative excursion. The minute “brown Dwarf” and Elenin get mentioned in the same sentence I tend to switch off and discount anything that follows,I believe PC would have known this and needed somebody with documented credibility to keep the listeners.RCH does some good work but the other members of last nights pannel to be honest come across as nothing short of plain silly at best or of questionable sanity at worst. Keep up the good work doc, it will all work out in the end 🙂

  31. romanmel on June 25, 2011 at 6:16 am

    Well said, Joseph.

    I stopped following Project Camelot about a year ago They seemed to me to start embrace completely a New Age, Psyco-Babble mish-mash of palm reading weirdo bunk.

    Unfortunately some of the people who have been interviewed by Project Camelot are legitimate and reasoned researchers. They are lumped in with the others who play fast and loose with their agenda of promoting themselves at the expense of others.

    I am glad you have the courage to stand for truth and point out folly. So few do in today’s world.

  32. Brandon on June 25, 2011 at 5:49 am

    I also had my doubts about how well that sort of video conference would go.

    Quick question.

    Something always comes up when your member’s only chats take place, and I end up missing them! Joseph, did you get a chance to record the recent chat for 6-24-11? Would love to see it. Thanks.

  33. Simon on June 25, 2011 at 5:32 am

    Thanks Joseph – disappointed too – especially to have little of your insightful input. How great are your interviews with George-Ann Hughes in comparison!


    This is a phenomenal resource – donate if you are able. Lots of new interviews in the last few weeks

    It is actually a blessing that there is so little good research backed up by evidence out there, or I could spend hours daily being distracted. As it is I look at you, RCH, Fulford’s blog, Wilcock when he updates and Camelot occasionally, although the once mighty ship Camelot seems to be foundering on the high seas. Between you, RCH and DW I am able to get the essence.

    Thanks again – any ideas with whom the ‘Nazis’ are allied currently or what they are up to? I would welcome more on who the parties are in this covert war, even if it is just your speculation

    • Michael on June 25, 2011 at 10:28 am

      Well, it would seem that Byte Show interviews go so well is because Georgeann likes to let Joseph set the line of questioning before the show begins. My intuition is that if left to her own devices, Georgeann would probably ask some fairly off-topic questions too. I’m glad she has the forethought to discuss the subject matter with Joseph beforehand.

      Camelot had Joseph paired up with a few folks whom I’ve already definitively placed on my “nutcases whom I ignore” list. Why can’t all of our alternative research champions be like Joseph and Peter Levenda?

      According to Mother Teresa, America’s greatest poverty is obviously not monetary– it’s the impoverishment of interconnectedness between persons. I would argue that our second great impoverishment is one of critical thinking ability. We’re reduced to a dialectic of Republican vs Democrat, New Age vs yuppie, Pro-life+death penalty vs pro-choice+convicts’ rights. Watching the primaries is a lot like watching the game on TV. It’s all emotions, it’s all tribalism, it’s all fake.

      The ability to reason is a TRADITION. It’s not something you were born with, and not something you can just pick up along the way, it’s something into which you must be grounded with help from others. As long as our educational system remains entrenched in the Weimar Republic “cogs in the great machine” model so admired by Dewey, there’s no exit:

      “Individuals do not even compose a social group because they all work for a common end. The parts of a machine work with a maximum of cooperativeness for a common result, but they do not form a community. If, however, they were all cognizant of the common end and all interested in it so that they regulated their specific activity in view of it, then they would form a community”

      The German language puts it a little more succinctly:

      “Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer.”

      A revolution in the alternative history camp will happen only if there is first a fundamental change to its culture. If we can figure out how to inject the memes of critical thought into it, then it will harder to be jettisoned by the everyday folks who rely on elite-controlled mainstream media and academia for the construction of their reality. It is even more important to expose our nation’s citizens to a proper methodology of inquiry that they may learn to think for themselves than it is to expose them to the content of alternative history, viz.: Nazis, Banksters, and alternative energy/open finance.

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