In case you haven't heard, some of the Occupy Wall Street "leadership" is now calling for "global democracy", according to the website of Alex Jones' Infowars.com:

OWS Call for “Global Governance”

While I've long been a fan of Noam Chomsky's linguistics, and even of some of his political commentary, needless to say I am not on the global government bandwagon, though not so much because I find the idea philosophically abhorrent, but because in any version in which the idea has been advanced, it is not the panacea that either the elites promoting it, or its popular backers, think it to be. The two paragraphs that concern me are the final two:

"OWS supporters in the United States should not be calling for “global democracy” – in other words, surrendering national sovereignty for globalist micromanaged mob rule – but should be calling instead for the end of the Federal Reserve, a return to honest money not controlled by the global elite and the international bankers, and the reinstitution of a constitutionally limited republic as originally envisioned by the founders.

"If the larger OWS accepts “global federalism” it will be accepting the agenda outlined by the very global elite responsible for the Federal Reserve, the IMF, the WTO, global markets, multinational banks, the G8/G20, the European Central Bank and the UN security council criticized in the manifesto published in the establishment newspaper, The Guardian ."

The first problem we must understand is that the return to debt free money, which is the implicit call behind the end of the Federal Reserve, would itself be prone to dangers, if not handled properly. The fact of the matter is, that the debt securities issued by the government - US treasuries - in response to the Fed's loaning monetized debt into circulation, means that a shock would inevitably be introduced into the world economic and monetary system, since so many countries are holders of that debt. It would, in short, be an economic shock with enormous geopolitical consequences. While I have long been an advocate of the return to real money issued directly by a nation-state against the goods and services of the country, a country must have goods and services to begin with on which to issue such money. IN short, a nation must manufacture. So any such return must, in my opinion, be accompanied by a return of manufacturing jobs to this country. And therein lies the rub, for both the Dummycrooks and Republithugs have been advocating the notorious free trade policies and high corporate tax rates that have gutted this nation's once mighty manufacturing base. So the paragraph I have highlighted indicates a lurking problem within the "economic political right": a return to debt free money alone, or an end to the Fed alone, is not an economic panacea.

But the two paragraphs also highlight another implicit problem, one pointed out long ago in a book by Gary Kah entitled Enroute to Global Occupation, namely, that in any scheme of global government, there must be a "divided space," regions of competition, even of conflict. In this case, the conflict or competition is to be manged by the global elites, only in a much more coordinated fashion than now. In short, the idea of "global governance" is a recipe, not for the establishment of peace and economic stability, but for the very opposite: endless conflicts, tensions, staged wars and crises.

In short, it would be the same system as we have now... only on steroids.

Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. marcos anthony toledo on October 28, 2011 at 11:48 am

    The problem is you think it is ether collective or individual when it is both and knowing when to be one or the other. Neither the European or Western Asians ever created a stable states it been the tent,great hall,city state or empire. They also never understood literacy instead of creating a universal written script like the Chinese they have bound the written word to the spoken language in a effort to control the thoughts of their subjects and are enslave to dogma over thinking which they fear and loath the best idea would be a world federation ala Star Trek or a the Republic ala Star Wars and that certain societies should be left to themselves since the larger societies all they can do is harm them. The only thing would be to offer them medical and agriculture and domestic animal help to them and leave them alone otherwise.

  2. Bear claw Chris Lapp on October 27, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Another Good talk by Chossudovsky on OWS (From “Potent News”).


  3. Robert Barricklow on October 27, 2011 at 10:47 am

    A Guns and Butter interview w/Catherine Austin Fiits

  4. Greg Parent on October 27, 2011 at 6:16 am

    News item: David Duke has now joined OWS.

  5. MattB on October 25, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    Where are the Spanish anarchists when we need them……or the Basques.

    Democracy will never ever work to the good of all-it’s foundations prove this and it has been the same ever since.

    Having said that, Communism was a monster flop

    So, what will be the Hegelian solution to this dialectic?

    A global ‘socialist democracy’? strange bedfellows

  6. farseear! on October 24, 2011 at 5:15 am

    Definition of Genocide:
    1. White genocide (as an international crime) is defined as any of the following acts committed with the implicit intent to destroy, remove, displace, harm, and/or disenfranchise in whole or in part, a national, Europoid and/or White, racial or Europoid religious group or their progeny (or future progeny- i.e. the unborn children of tomorrow), as such:
    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.[note 1]
    (f) Knowingly and consciously withholding employment opportunities, job promotions, job leads, and community and private human resources otherwise available to all from prospective candidates solely based upon the fact that said person(s) are of Europid and/or White descent so as to inflict a stressful standard of living (human development index- HDI) which would otherwise cause any biologically sound person to be considerably less-likely (less fertile) to produce viable progeny (offspring).

    Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

    The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

    Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

    What if a white person said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

    How long would it take anyone to realize he/she is not talking about a RACE problem. He/She is talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

    And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

    But if any white person tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that he/she is a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

    They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.


    • Jay on October 24, 2011 at 6:18 am

      Stormfront is not a valid source of information.

      There is not evidence for brown, black, or yellow people committing genocide against white Amerika.

      There is of course plenty of evidence that “white Europe” did exactly that in North and South America.

      • paraschtick on October 24, 2011 at 3:33 pm

        You are indeed correct, Jay. Stormfront is another hangout run by intelligence types to corral the white nationalist-neo-nazi nutters and keep an eye on them I believe. I believe that Michael Collins Piper has said that I the wife of the guy who runs it is friends with some people that normal white nationalist neo-nazi nutters should not be fraternising with lol. In fact I believe that most of these so called “white nationalist” and/or neo-nazi sites are the same.

        In other words they are all fake, and there to be used to control any criticism of dodgy jewish (and other) practices. As soon as some one criticises Israel or whatever, the scary neo-nazi nonsense is brought up, and it silences people (even though there are only 2 actual neo-nazis in the US, and both of them are probably called Kurt or something hehe). I mean if there were all powerful neo-nazi groups in the US … shouldn’t they have done something by now??

        Its all smoke and mirrors. They (ahh the phantom “they”) set up groups like this to create mischief … but look further into the people who run them, and their associations and its starts becoming clearer.

        And why is it that the so-called Neo-Nazi/White Nationalist groups in Europe like the BNP etc are now getting into bed with Israel?? Hmmm … doesn’t that say more about these groups than anything else??

  7. Antoine on October 23, 2011 at 6:00 am

    Full of Win!

    As long the banksters keep you guys in warm place, with food and a sense of security, they will continue to be Full of Win!

    You’d need to delete the Federal Reserve, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergs group, etc. So many things to delete.

    The French revolution only happened because people were f@$%g starving.
    You’re not there yet, sorry. And so… they win.

    • paul degagne on October 23, 2011 at 6:21 am

      I think I can remember a comedian poking fun at the UN with a skit on an LP was Kru-chief laughing – telling “What do you Americans get — Your given a chance VOTE. Here in Russia we give them FOOD. (i don’t know about that — millions starved to death in China and no humanitarian action by the world or US then, that I can recall.)

      Hungry bellies if their not too hungry meaning famished (their done for by then) ACT UP A LITTLE BIT and aren’t good little boys and girls.

      John Zarzen thinks some mild affluenza helps stir the power to revolt but then he spoils it all by saying it was funneled (all that resentment of the crafts-people) into the LOVELY WWI.

    • paul degagne on October 23, 2011 at 8:17 am

      The 33and1/3 revolutions per minute comedy record was made during the JFK years with Jacquelyn with all her pretty dresses and America had hope. (unless you got something from the Federal Post Office that had INDUCTION written on the envelop/)

      That was before one of her pretty dresses got splattered with brains!

      Yeah — on that album UN officials were ordering sandwidches. I’ll have a Ham and Cheese while another said, Make mine a Hamburger. When it came up to khru-chief’s time to order he said he didn’t want anything? He’ll just take a BITE OUT of everyone else’s.

      That is what I think of Chomsky’s suggestion. It will end up with less freedom and a bunch of his ‘FOLLOWER’s hounding me to be NICE!

      I was a Chomski follower until I finally gave up on him when he was on stage in front of the graduating class at WEST POINT on CNN talking about the PHILOSOPHY OF A JUST WAR. I am not a QUACKER, no I mean a QUAKER but after WARS people wonder what all that KILLING was about. JUST OR NOT JUST! I am just against WARS – PERIOD!

      I was a devotee of chomsky for around 20yrs. in which I wasted precious time. I never heard of a fellow called Jordan Maxwell and probably in my smart-aleck state I wouldn’t have seen or have been like what someone posted here on this web SIGHT recently — I never trust a fat man. They eat too much!

      Don’t be fooled – BETTER RED than DEAD MAXY is probably a sly old fox that could probably have us for lunch, ha, ha! In Sicily, Italy there are these ‘older’ guys with big-bellies who can lift hundred pound barrows off wagons all day. You who maybe thinks Maxy is ready for the PASTURE — I wouldn’t tangle with him and I still think, no – deluded, that I am, am one of those YOUNG WHIPPERSNAPPERS at 62!

      I finally jumped the subway to downtown Chicago yesterday afternoon to take a look around the OCUPUPIES AND OCCUPIERS. I was much surprised. The older baby boomers were all looking at the kids and wondering afterwards looking at each other.

      Upon leaving some real old guy was holding a sign “TAX THE RICH!” I said to him — I would EAT THE RICH but then I’d have one hell of a problem with indigestion and diarria afterwards.

      There were a bunch of young lads walking around with those WHITE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA like masks. One was standing next to a woman. You know the kind of woman who probably raised ten kids down in Tennessee or West Virgina with all the facial wringles and who looked OLD BEFORE HER TIME KIND OF LOOK. Well, either my visual perceptual apparatus is a bit out of kilt but I momentarily thought their were two of those lads wearing masks next to me. I was really startled by that although the observation only lasted about 3 seconds. My heart went out to her and that guy with the tax the rich sign as well.

      There’s almost nothing worst than this fake NEW AGE oprah optimism but I ‘FEEL’ for the OCCUPIERS for they really need to know how to make fun of people especially themselves and then they might get over this DARWIN monkey business and get down to work.

      Therewas this guy who brought along his “best friend” a pug-dog that almost looked like the one who starred in ‘MeN IN BLACK. I almost asked the dog for his autograph. (I don’t know if the dog was a male or female because I didn’t look between the dogs legs because there were too many people admiring and taking photos of the dog! For that matter their were so many people with every kind of video equipment taking pictures.

      I just looked up at the towering CHICAGO TRADE CENTER building and shrugged my shoulders. It doesn’t make any difference anyway. The camera are watching. ( Anarchist in black sky caps? Don’t they know the MAN has eye-recognition software?

      I watched a post on U-Tube where some make-believe VIOLENT protesters were fighting some MAKE-BELIEVE COPS in white shirts and the supposedly ANACHISTS all had on those PLAIN, NOT TO ATTRACTIVE, LITTLE piggy, BLACK SHOES they wear.

      NOW what RESPECTABLE anarchist would be caught dead making that kind of FASHION STATEMENT. ((( I apologize to good cops — I know your all getting laid off. Come an join them?)

      To make things short—- AT LEAST these young-people aren’t all getting wasted in some wino-alley shooting up who-knows-what or like Allen Ginsburg’s brightest minds in the NYC pounding the pavement junkies! We had enough of that RHETORIC just like I had enough of CHOMSKI”

      At least the double-decker tourist bus that pass the gathering were cheering with arms up in the air.

      • paraschtick on October 23, 2011 at 2:51 pm

        Chomsky is a real piece of work, believe me. He knows exactly who was behind 911 but he decided that “911 wasn’t important”. Not quite his exact words but that was the general gist. Try to track down the video of him saying this. I couldn’t find it in a quick search on youtube but it has to be seen to be believed. If I was there I probably would have punched the guy or at least thrown my shoes at him (and I’m not a violent person lol). He really is a horrible piece of work.

        [Oh and if you read his linguistics theories for long enough, he is wrong there too 😀 … another Jewish liberal gate keeper who should be ignored or arrested for collaboration … sorry angry mood today … Chomsky gets my goat big time.]

  8. Citizen Quasar on October 22, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    Some ‘Occupy Wall Street’ pictures:



  9. James on October 22, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    I agree with the author of Vatican Assasins (Eric john Phelps)who was a guest on AJ’s show some years back. He began to broach the subject of the Vatican’s involvement in the globalist agenda. AJ was extremely evasive and wouldn’t stand the Vatican documentation from Eric john Phelps.

    He claims AJ to be a Jesuit coajatour. I personally believe he fits the bill perfectly. I don’t understand why more people don’t recognize this.

    He is so sensational, over the top, dramatic and is that way to an extreme like I’ve never seen. Bill Cooper nailed him for that early on in AJ’s career.

    He’s always pointing everywhere but the Vatican.

    The Vatican is right in the thick of it spear heading the one world religeon thru is ecumenicism. It is totally undeniable that they own a big peice of the puzzle.

    I’ll only give him a slight benifit of the doubt in being legit in the case that he knows the Vatican will kill him with very little delay and so he just doesn’t go there for his family’s sake.

    Infowars.com is so well funded. The films they put out are super slick.

    It stinks to the heavens. It is so obvious something’s not right.

    He’s demonizing the OWS movement, as is the Tea Party, as is Glen Beck.

    These people have deep pockets. That’s a red flag if you were to ask me!

    • Citizen Quasar on October 22, 2011 at 8:01 pm

      I have personally heard Alex Jones speak for hours against the Vatican. Also, I have personally heard Alex Jones speak for hours against Israel. Jones is often accused of NEVER speaking about or against either.

      While Mr. Jones has his defects of character, such as lying about Jones being the first to predict 9/11 (Cooper was.), and Jones lying about throwing Cooper off ‘The Alex Jones Show (A total lie. Cooper was only on ‘The Alex Jones Show’ once and the interview was completed cordially.), IMO, Jones’ IS “the tip of the spear” in the infowar.

      Related video:


    • paraschtick on October 23, 2011 at 2:55 pm

      Eric Jon Phelps is another piece of work (see my fabulous comments about Noam Chomsky above). He pushes the whole nonsensical (and it is … come on … open your eyes) Vatican theory but never mentions the fact that he imports diamonds from … ISRAEL. So no hidden agenda there then, eh??

      Oh and of course, Jones … well I won’t go there again … people never listen, anyway. (if you don’t know, his lawyer works for the Bronfman family of Canada … look at the people around you and who they associate with. Only then will you realise who they really are and who they really work for.)

  10. Jon Norris on October 22, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    I knew it wouldn’t take long for the “Occupy” movement to be co-opted, if it was ever a legitimate movement in the first place. There an article linking Soros to the funding of the movement, which immediately means con game, if true.

    It is probably just the US version of the “Arab Spring” – infiltrated social groups bing used to create more Apocalypse Theater, sucking in a few honest people in the process – just like the Tea Party.

    It is an old, tried and true practice of power elites – create a phony opposition, draw out your enemies, keep and eye on them, and direct their energies where you want.

    Doomed from the start. Besides, protests seldom accomplish anything useful – they are just a way to burn off people’s energy in a wasteful display of impotent anger.

    • Jay on October 22, 2011 at 3:53 pm

      Do you have any evidence of co-opting, that’s not what Jones actually linked?

      Reading what you want to believe does not make it so. The date is way wrong too.

    • Citizen Quasar on October 22, 2011 at 4:01 pm

      And Michael Moore, who has made over $200,000,000 from capitalizing his movies, comes down there and says “Capitalism is the problem.”

      • Jay on October 22, 2011 at 6:58 pm

        That’s right, anyway OWS is not protesting capitalism, OWS is protesting unregulated capitalism. That point is well known.

        And Michael Moore is not a leader of OWS.

      • paraschtick on October 23, 2011 at 3:02 pm

        Oh god they’re coming out of the word work today hehe. Michael Moore. Oh boy another guy who should be arrested or just totally ignored (but of course can you really ignore someone with that … girth??). Total shill again (and I used to like him so I’m allowed to say this lol). His agent is brother to Rahm Emanuel. Yeah THAT Rahm Emanuel, now Mayor of that hot bed of Jewish Crime, Chicago (where old Obama hails from I believe … if you believe that kind of thing hehe). And Rahm’s father was I believe in the Ergun, the Israeli terrorist organisation if memory serves me well.

        So Michael Moore, makes a film (Fahrenheit 911) which blames 911 on the Saudis (umm … yeah?? really?? weird world we live in, eh?), and his agent is brother to a high flying politician who worked in the Whitehouse, and has family members who were in a vicious terrorist organisation.

        Boy oh boy, and it may be that the Occupy Wall Street lot was either funded by or has been coopted by probably the same forces at work here. Blimey what a topsy turvy world we live in. Time maybe to join the bad guys?? At least they are getting somewhere lol.

    • HAL838 on October 22, 2011 at 9:18 pm

      I don’t think it was “co-opted” so much as ‘started’
      by the wrong side in the first place.

      The Criminals In Action are the ones whose ‘job’ it
      is to start all those movements and make way
      for war or disinfo or infiltrating a brand new start-up
      or creating one.

      And you thought it was an Intell Agency (?)
      Hardly. Not even from the start.
      I mentioned that before I think…………

      ‘We’ have 15 now, not including the CIA.

      [16 counting the new one you don’t know
      about taking the place of NoSuchAgency, originally called
      the NID {National Intelligence Directorate—then changed
      to the DNI to fool you, since it existed BEFORE 9/11}]

  11. Robert Barricklow on October 22, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    Max Keiser Occupies World Report!(E200 Special)

    25 minutes on the Occupy Wall Street Movement Taking Place Around the World.

    • Robert Barricklow on October 22, 2011 at 1:51 pm

      That’s http://www.maxkeiser.com
      (scroll down to Max Keiser Report)

      BLASTS! …the Banksters right out of the saddle!

  12. Poohbah, Lord High Everything Else on October 22, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Democracy = four wolves and one lamb voting on the dinner menu.

    • Ramura on October 22, 2011 at 7:10 pm

      You got it. Scary thought, when looks about a bit… 😉

      • Jay on October 22, 2011 at 7:13 pm

        Would that be the Lamb of Christ?

  13. Citizen Quasar on October 22, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Speaking of money, the OWS has a finance committee that has collected around $300,000 to further their aims.

    So far, this money has been used to buy herbal tea for the OWS crowd. This finance committee has NOT:

    1. Rented an auditorium where real microphones can be used and the air heated.
    2. Rented an auditorium or any other housing for OWS members.
    3. Bought advertisement anywhere.
    4. Set up any funds to help the unemployed.
    4. Anything else.

    It is a common belief that the finance committee intends to make off with as much of this money as possible when the cold weather really sets in.

    • Citizen Quasar on October 22, 2011 at 11:45 am

      The OWS crowd did march to the Upper East Side to express dissatisfaction with wealth in general, but they haven’t bothered to march to the New York Federal Reserve which is much closer, only a couple of blocks.

      While there may be some individuals that are sincere in the OWS movement, it is obvious to me that its “leadership” has been installed by TPTB and its nothing but a scam as a collective.

      • Jay on October 22, 2011 at 3:54 pm

        Really you have an inside source on the finance committee? Or are you just quoting Fox News? Have you been to OWS in NY?

        • Citizen Quasar on October 22, 2011 at 3:58 pm

          • Jay on October 22, 2011 at 7:03 pm

            Well that’s a bulldung link and has nothing whatsoever to do with your claims or those of A Jones or Fox News or Big Government, or the Washington Times, or the NY Post, all of which are pretty much the same.

            In fact the astronaut is shutting down a crazed control system, ironic that’s what OWS advocates.

            And still you’ve presented no evidence that you have any inside source on the OWS finance committee.

    • paul degagne on October 24, 2011 at 3:26 am

      This post by you either suggests outragous slander or typical human nature.

      Unless there on some ACCOUNTING CONTROLS set on that much money then the potential for some HANKY-PANKY or TEMPTATION will probably be too great for some newly or undeveloped CHARACTER in the MOVEMENT or some SLICK-LEFTY with a high IQ looking for opportunity!!

      This post reminds me of dear old CLINTON?BUSH Haiti Relief Fund – What BUZZARDS!

  14. Bear claw Chris Lapp on October 22, 2011 at 10:52 am

    I’ve felt for a long time that Chomsky was an intelligence asset. His job is to keep leftists (the left cheek of the ass) in line with the idea that it’s “the corporations to blame.” He directs attention from the globalists or various fraternal organizations because this is just a “conspiracy theory.”

    Always remember what the goal is for the Anglo-American elites: Global Government. They use corporations to achieve this but profits are not the endgame. Global Government is the endgame. Total control…with the Anglo-America elites at the top of the pyramid of course. It’s not an accident that big “capitalists” like Buffet or Soros support OWS. Remember the problem-reaction-solution model:

    Problem: Economic crisis (caused by Anglo-America banksters)

    Reaction: OWS (supported by Anglo-American banksters and globalists)

    Solution: “Global Democracy” (implemented and controlled by Anglo-American banksters and globalists).

    • Bear claw Chris Lapp on October 22, 2011 at 10:56 am

      • paraschtick on October 23, 2011 at 3:08 pm

        Oh boy now Tarpley. Not too sure about Chossudovsky … but Tarpley is another gate keeper (why can’t people see this??). Have you read any of his predictions over the years that never seem to come true. He is like the Colonel Ed Dames of politicial science. But without the get out clause that remote viewing doesn’t quite always work the way you want it to.

        Forget the talking heads. Most of them are being paid to say what they do, or just do it for fun because people are so damned clueless.

        [saying this, its probably correct to say that the Occupy Wall Street thing has been coopted by now if they are talking about “Global Democracy” … a bit like that 911 Griffin character who talks about it too … so ignore him. I know its quite difficult to ignore someone who you have put your stock into … but Tarpley is a gatekeeper. He tells you some of the truth and keeps your eyes closed to other more important ones which are there in front of you. Sheesh … I need a drink lol]

    • Jay on October 22, 2011 at 3:55 pm

      Except that wasn’t an OWS manifesto, and it’s from two weeks ago.

    • Ramura on October 22, 2011 at 7:17 pm

      Yeah, I don’t trust him (Chomsky), either. Which is painful for me to say. Because I come from the somewhat radical (non-violent! but I understand them!) left.

      I have had to swallow quite a bit of what I call “sacred cow” over the past few years, especially. I took the red pill over 15 years ago, before David Icke challenged from so MANY levels!

      Still, it was very hard for me to realize how much the sainted environment movement, the music/psychedelic/New Age/women’s liberation movement (all dear to my heart) were compromised and socially engineered by Tavistock et al, too. A bitter pill, for sure.

      So I assume that each of us must eat our own “sacred cows” (Christianity? New Age? Environmentalism? Other? Humanism?) as we come into our power as projections of the Infinite Creator…Creating! Hopefully, in a glorious harmonious dance with all lifeforms! Is that so difficult?

    • paul degagne on October 24, 2011 at 3:48 am

      Bear Claw,

      Ever been on a ROWBOAT and the water or the WAVE moves you or the boat slightly.

      Well there’s a whale or SOMETHING moving around underneath the boat? (the lake’s surface seems to be perfectly still yet on and off the darn boat is slightly moving in a vertical direction just as the sheet of glass surface of the water is?)

      I CANT SEE IT but I SENSE something moving around DOWN-THERE in the water beneath the BOAT?

      I use that Hegelian “DIALECTIC” as well as you. It’s very -useful. It has limitations.

      FUSING —- THE LEFT/RIGHT or thesis/anti-thesis TOGETHER into one GLOB!

      Ok in THEORY. (easier SAID then DONE!)



      If you don’t believe me then ask an ALCHEMIST?

      I think Farrell has a few things to say about this?

  15. Citizen Quasar on October 22, 2011 at 10:01 am

    I see the OWS movement as if NOT manipulated from the git-go then certainly co-opted by now.

    I see two problems with “global democracy.” These are both so sinister and evil that I cannot decide which one to address first. So I will address them alphabetically.


    Democracy dose NOT provide for the common weal NOR for the preservation of the life of the individual. What democracy does is to subvert the well-being of the individual to the whimsical collective emotive ejaculations of the nebular collective, often to the detriment of the individual.

    In a democracy, the people are sovereign and the state is subservient to them only when they act as a collective. Only in a republic is the individual recognized as sovereign and only in a republic is the state subservient to the individual. This is why Amerikan poly-tickians never advocate “republics.”


    Global government, and it’s Orwellian new-wavy buzz word incarnation/incantation global “governance,”[Revolve? Revolute?] is nothing less than concentrating the entire planet’s political power in one central authority. This only means that the hideous powers-that-be will only have to bribe and coerce one set of murderous psychopathic front men than the many that they have to bribe and coerce now.

    Governmental authority should be distributed as far and wide as possible bestowing as much of it in the individual to the exclusion of others, of a collective, as is possible. As life forms, humans should make as many of their decisions and keep as much of their production as is possible without the interference of any government.

    The only objectively moral reason for government of any sort to exist in the first place is to prohibit the initiation of the use of physical force in human interactions. All governments throughout the entire recorded history of humanity, and beyond, have done little more than to elevate a looter class of people above the individuals they profess to protect and use fear, war, and terror and bloodshed in general, to affect their control and maintain their looter status.

    The United States of America, as originally conceived, was designed to implement preservation of the requirements for individual to flourish. However, the principles the United States of America was built on are lost in the mists of modern history; gone from almost anyone’s mind. I submit that the only legacy that the Founding Fathers have left us (Amerikans, now) that remains is an armed populace.

    As for monetary considerations, I seek the day when my government has nothing to do with money at all. People should be allowed to use whatever they want for money.

    As for “free trade,” this is something that has NOT existed in my lifetime, except perhaps as a black market. The Looters have implemented “free trade” via 900 page documents which beg the question: “How many pages doe it take to print the words “free trade?”

    • Citizen Quasar on October 22, 2011 at 11:30 am

      A very good FIRST HAND EYEWITNESS account of OWS may be heard weekly on ‘World Crisis Radio’ hosted by Webster Tarpley 1:00 to 3:00 PM CST here:


      • Jay on October 22, 2011 at 3:55 pm

        “Co-oped” by whom?

    • Spirit Splice on October 22, 2011 at 1:41 pm

      I think you have a rather romantic view of the countries founding. Regardless of the rhetoric spoken, there was no interest in maintaining liberty by this secret society. The open ended back doors in the constitution (such as the commerce clause) were most assuredly put there to give the governmemt unlimited authority. http://lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory219.html

  16. ahwoo on October 22, 2011 at 9:26 am

    I would call Bulls**t on on this one from Alex Jones. Journalists and Politicians are getting more desperate by the day trying to define OWS.

  17. Robert Barricklow on October 22, 2011 at 8:40 am

    They are usurping the movement for a ‘BS Global Democracy.
    What a facade, what an ultra maroon, what an imbecilic play by the global elite.
    Don’t fall for it OWS!

    In fact when Chomsky was once asked what he thought about democracy in the west he replied, “I think it WOULD BE a good idea”.

    • Spirit Splice on October 22, 2011 at 1:45 pm

      Except that it wouldn’t and he gave himself away by saying so. In a democracy *anything* can be voted as being acceptable with enough public support, canabalism, child sacrifice, slavery, you name it. Democracy is a horroble idea, why do you think it is endlessly promoted by the elites?

      • Robert Barricklow on October 22, 2011 at 4:18 pm

        In fact, Chomsky, in my mind’s eye is a ‘left gatekeeper’. His 9/11, Kennedy assassination, viewpoints are in line with the official ones. Even his language scholarship is questionable. Although brilliant, his role looks to be: mis/di/information when the rubber hits the road.

        • paraschtick on October 23, 2011 at 3:12 pm

          Spot on Robert. Chomsky is one hell of a guy. He knows exactly what is going on, and he ignores it all and goes with the goverment line. His linguistics stuff is also highly questionable. I have been helping my partner revise for a linguistics exam recently, and I with very little knowledge of linguistic theory could see he was wrong. He must have either a very forceful character or some people behind him to get to where he is now. He is a real piece of work.

          [oh and doesn’t that avatar of yours look just a wee bit like him?? n’est pas??? hehe]

          • Robert Barricklow on October 24, 2011 at 2:56 pm

            Now that you mention it, there is a striking resemblance.

  18. LSM on October 22, 2011 at 7:13 am

    Wall Street protests connected to/manipulated by a planned global governance explained in layman’s terms (video is NOT for those with indoctrinated preconceived ideas and a preconceived bias against a highly controversial person)-

    despite a lot of otherwise “weird” concepts propagated by this man (as they are interpreted by the masses), in this case the man is right on the money (no pun intended)-


  19. Charles Frith on October 22, 2011 at 6:57 am

    Alex Jones company is Disney owned if I’m not mistaken. There’s a reasonable clip about AJ question marks here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USLtKYbIMtw

    • LSM on October 22, 2011 at 7:50 am

      Hi Charles,

      thanks for weighing-in-

      “Alex Jones company is Disney owned”- do you have documentation for this?- please inform- would interest me greatly- if so, the rabbit hole goes even deeper because WD was a very shady guy-

      William Cooper labeled (a compartmentalization) AJ as nothing more as a fear-mongerer- was/is he (AJ) exclusively so?-

      he does have a rather lavish broadcasting studio (if anyone has not yet noticed)-

      I personally don’t like his sensationalist delivery and self-manipulated gravely voice (I’m an Opera-Singer by profession- I can spot/hear an enrichment or RAPE of vocal chords immediately)-

      anyway, the enigma of AJ remains in the air-

      by the way, I also noticed (I’m not as dumb as I look) you contribute comments to Fulford’s website- which I find to be good- you’re obviously a searcher (as I am)-

      as for Fulford’s credibility- it’s all in the air-

      best regards-

      Larry in Germany

    • Citizen Quasar on October 22, 2011 at 10:10 am

      You cite Josh Reeves? I listened to Josh Reeves one time. Josh Reeves was doing a video cast a a couple of years back and I tuned in. There was an internet chat that went with it so I logged in and chatted along.

      It is worth pointing out that Josh Reeves had a half gallon bottle of booze that he showed to the webcam audience and that he consumed most of during this live broadcast.

      Late in the show, Josh played a video about the Rockefellers and I watched this as I continued to chat with Josh. I forget exactly what Josh said but it was something about lizard people. So I chatted “Is this where David Icke comes in?” and Josh permanently banned me from his chat for this.

      As far as I am concerned, and I have posted this many times around the internet, the only job that Josh Reeves is qualified for is ‘Groom of the Stool’ at Buckingham Palace.

      I wouldn’t believe a word that Josh Reeves says.

      • Don Barnaby on October 22, 2011 at 11:07 am

        CQ, In general I agree with you on Reeves. AJ goes into his rants sometimes and I either turn it off or get a good chuckle. You have to seperate the wheat from the rest and that goes with any of these talking heads. Also, I don’t think Disney owns the AJ show or has an interest in it. I may be wrong though. As to Cooper, he is deceased so I won’t denigrate him other than to say I was never impressed with his theories. I prefer to stick with those who labor in the pits and do the tough work like the good Dr. has been doing for years.

    • paraschtick on October 23, 2011 at 3:21 pm

      No … Jones is funded by the Bronfmans. I should know … I discovered the bloody thing :D. I think he probably owns his own companies (there are more than one, believe me … see here for a start:


      … but he has been funded … either at the start of his career or continuously in some way since then by the Bronfmans (see Michael Collins Piper’s articles on the net about the Bronfmans for further reading). Most, if not all of the people who advertise with them are Jewish (which says to me that he is being funded by Jewish sources … no not anti-semtic … just the truth. I would say the same thing if they were Chinese).

      There is more about this on the net if you care to look.

      [for more on the Bronfman connection, check out Elizabeth Schurig and the “Works of Grace Foundation” and go from there.]

      There is no need to bring Disney or any of the strange conspiracy theories that whirlpool around them. Its fairly simple once you realise who Schurig is …

      Best wishes

      Harvey Price, aka paraschtick

  20. Vinnie on October 22, 2011 at 6:24 am

    The thing I wish to know is why a government issuing debt free currency is preferable to the market choosing the money that the consumer desires to use? Who in government has the knowledge to determine the supply and the cost of money? How can anyone be certain that these men will be incorruptable given what we know both of men and their lack of knowledge in these matters? Why stick with the price fixing of money when we know that price fixing anywhere else it’s been tried is a dismal failure, leading to underproduction, overproduction and the cycle of booms and busts? Why isn’t government managed fiat currency just as damaging and part and parcel of all that plagues us now? And how do you propose to keep the current financial powers from controlling any replacement system? Does anyone think that the money power is going to give up and walk away? I don’t think so, nor do I believe it can be done.
    Whenever I ask these questions, I’m always met with a deafening silence from those proposing them. We have history to learn from and yet we learn nothing from these repeating disasters caused by allowing governments to create their own fiat currencies.

    • Robert Barricklow on October 22, 2011 at 9:52 am

      So this monopoly is better in the hands of a private international bankster banking cabal?

      • Vinnie on October 22, 2011 at 11:49 am

        Absolutely not! I don’t trust any man or group of men with such power. Instead, the market is best suited, as I think I mentioned above. Let each of us decide what is acceptable as payment. You can have free banking with notes that are backed by commondity money, or commodity money itself. There’s no way for me to predict what hundreds of millions of independently acting individuals will choose, but ultimately, it will be beyond the reach and control of private bankers and politicians. The net effect will be to strip the banking elites and their cartels of the power to grow rich by creating fiat money and sucking the real wealth and productivity out of the rest of us.
        If you’re interested, let me know and I’ll try to give you some links to follow up on the thought so you can investigate further.

        • Robert Barricklow on October 22, 2011 at 2:04 pm

          To get to a free market, the monopolized handcuffs on money(Private Central Banks issueing the State’s currency) needs to be broken free.
          Even Milton Friedman alluded to this(although not amplified in any shape or form by the corporate/bank owned press).
          So a free-market, at present, doesn’t exist. Too many monopolies/oligopolies are stamping the hell out of any small businesses trying to practice it.

          • Vinnie on October 22, 2011 at 8:48 pm

            You don’t need to convince me of that. I’ve been a proponent of Austrian economics and anarcho-capitalism for years having known Murray and others greats of this school of thought. You’re absolutely right and what I’ve been trying to get across is we have to move in that direction if we want to be free of the money monsters. Unless you remove the power to create wealth from nothing, things can never be expected to get better.

    • paul degagne on October 24, 2011 at 4:13 am

      Good PRAGMATIC questions —VINNIE:

      Farrell hints at this in this article talking about a PERIOD where there is to be some ROUGH EDGES OR GOINGS ON!

      I once had a conversation with a fellow employee who was a soldier who took part in the liberation of PARIS toward the end of WW2.

      He said it was one huge party in that city of light for a few days. The people took out there STASH of wine and food and along with the beautiful women they had one hell of a ball!

      He forgot to mention there were some DEBTS to be paid. The BIG hONCho generals had to put a CLAMP on or stop the party. Afraid of blood-baths?

      I don’t ACCUSE the revengers because I really don’t know what I would do in their shoes until I ever got in their shoes and QUITE FRANKLY I have no desire to experience that DEGREE OF UNPLEASANTNESS if I don’t have to. (this isn’t saying I would be coward and run away — I heard and it’s probably just a good-morals teaching story but the top SAMURI in japan never even had to fight a battle. It is said, he used his MIND OVER MATTER POWER. I probably don’t believe this but it’s a nice tale UNLESS this SAMURI was born somewhere else not on this planet/)

      I am getting off the topic.

      It’s not an answer but I SUGGEST — we learn a little more about INDIGENESS KNOWLEDGE or even their own ETHICAL WAYS. How they would handle THIS PERIOD for it might help? (WISHFUL THINKING – yes, I would say it falls into that catagory but I like it anyway.)

  21. david wilson on October 22, 2011 at 6:14 am

    Whilst Red Shield’s armies cull countless Iraqi, Afghan, Pakistani and Libyan men women and children, whilst it’s assassins pick Iranian scientists off at will one has to ask, where is the other hand? Where is the other side of the argument that they seek to control as they always do?

    Does anyone believe the OWS movement would be allowed to demonstrate in the City of London, to occupy that sovereign city if they were not wanted there? How long would a bunch of Iraqis last camped out in the pentagon grounds, or a set of Islamists in the Vatican square shouting death to the pope?

    Anyone calling for one world democracy is:

    Watching TV (bin it)
    Reading Newspapers (light them)
    Devoid of the ability to think for themselves
    Willing to condemn their children to an Orwellian hell
    Is blissfully unaware of the current Orwellian hell they live in
    Does not know the West murders millions for money

    I’m sure many more will add many more to this list, let us just hope our genetic cousins are of a benevolent nature and predisposed to some culling of evil.

    • Jay on October 22, 2011 at 6:21 am

      OWS did protest in the City of London, thought it’s not a continuing event.

  22. Jay on October 22, 2011 at 5:55 am

    Okay, but why is no one else who reports on OWS reporting this point? Also “global demoncracy” does not necessarily mean some single world governing body. (The term only means that in the story Jones linked.)

    In fact, this linked manifesto is not from OWS and Jones should know better than to conflate the two. This kind of thing is why Jones appears to be have some issues.


    • Jay on October 22, 2011 at 3:57 pm

      Not only does Jones have issues, he has followers here who will clearly believe whatever he links. Even though the words say something else than what Jones states.

      • paraschtick on October 23, 2011 at 3:27 pm

        There is a really strange cult of personality that hovers around Jones. Its completely bizarre when you see his videos and the way he rants in a totally fake way. And people take him seriously. It really is a strange, and disturbing thing. I followed him for 2 weeks (several years ago now, and have been pushing the fact that he is dodgy as can be since then) and saw almost immediately how much of a fearmonger and fake he really is.

        I coined the term “the infowrestler” for him because he is one. Watch him for any length of time, and he behaves like one of those really crappy fake wrestling chappies. I threw the “info” thing in because he gives you only some of the real information but leaves huge globs of it out. I thought by now enough people would have opened their eyes to him but they haven’t. Maybe I have given people too much credit, and they really are as dumb as I think they are lol … but I will probably continue throwing real facts out about him until I stop hitting my head against a brick wall and someone will start listening. Maybe …

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