We face a choice...we're at a fork in the road with three branches: Renaissance, Reformation, or Revolution. We stand, in other words, at the same crossroads we stood at about half a millennium ago, and for similar reasons.

Consider only the parallels. Then an elite prevailed that had been in power for well over a millennium. It was an elite that controlled the mechanisms of bureaucracy, of money, and most importantly, of information and general culture. It could and did depose kings, and arrange the fates of nations. It launched - on its pretended divine authority - massive invasions of the Middle East and a "clash of civilizations."It launched one of the bloodiest internal purges in history against the Cathars. It enforced its own version of political correctness and hate speech legislation, burning people alive who dared disagree with it, and hypocritically washing its hands of the deed by making "the secular authority" perform the executions. Its institutional claims, in spite of its modern face of gentility, have not changed. Nor has it repented and disavowed many of those deeds.

Opposing that elite was another: a hidden underground stream that had preserved a rudimentary knowledge of, and connection to, the "ancient wisdom", to the prisca theologia of Egypt. And they openly talked and published their ideas, utilizing a new technology that made it difficult for the other elite to control the flow of information: the moveable type printing press. And the movement was called the Renaissance. What came of that movement, with its open avowal of Hermetic principles, were the scientific revolutions of Copernicus (who cites the Hermetica in the preface of his revolutionary scientific treatise), of Newton (an alchemist), even -if one stretches the timeline - of Lebniz and his search for a universal symbolic language, and a formula of religious tolerance.  And that was the key: in the face of recovered ancient wisdom and the scientific advances it made possible, cultural tolerance of differing ideas - especially in religion - became an implicit implication.

There was, however, another result: the Reformation, which, for our purposes, we may also view as a Revolution, a violent revolt against the old elite. We know the result: wars of religion followed... what we may call the "First First World War," a European wide orgy of bloodletting that lasted Thirty years, that saw nearly every power in Europe involved. And that ended, after all that expenditure of blood and treasure, with more or less the same situation, with the significant point that the Renaissance gains were only partial, and still submerged beneath the veneer of religion and national churches.

We stand at a similar cultural crossroads. We too have seen the advent of a new technology that has allowed the quick and global dissemination of information. We have seen the rise of badly polarized societies from Tea Party to Occupy, and insane fundamentalisms of all sorts vowing to fight for their particular truth.We too are dealing with a millennium's old elite, clinging to power and outmoded ideas and fanning the fuels of fundamentalisms and conducting purges and toppling kings and nations. We don't need a Reformation, nor a Revolution. We need a Renaissance of culture, of learning, and most importantly, of tolerance and civility.


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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. HAL838 on November 7, 2011 at 7:33 am

    There’s that three point choice again.

    Everything comes in 3s as noted by
    There is no other way.

    Positve, negative and neutral.
    Can’t do without any of them.

    • paul degagne on November 10, 2011 at 4:04 am

      Thank you for reminding me of the 3s.

      I am not so sure about the “NEUTRAL” part? (depends on how you define it?)

      Is anyone or anything truly independent? If so then I would say they can be neutral. If not they are just taking the easy way out by DECIDING NOT TO DECIDE! (not very EXISTENTIAL of them if I must say so?)

      If they are truly independent which I TRULY DOUBT then I would say they could be neutral. If not they are just kidding themselves by putting off the IDEA OF INTERDEPENDENCE to a later date! (of course they could be waiting to make a decision under more favorable conditions which is REASONABLE but then again that’s not exactly NEUTRALITY but rather a form of procrastination which I am an EXPERT at, ha, ha!)

      What is now called the Left in politics was formerly the CENTER. What is now called the Center not very long ago is called the RIGHT. What is now called the right (you know) is called a bunch of NAZIS (and the boot-lickers who follow them)!

      The PEN-DU-LYN swings both ways! (ah, ha — the third, you may say! Yes if there were such a MONSTROUS CREATURE as Neutral. I guess I am arguing against Plato?)

      If you want to call Neural = OBJECTIVE DETACHMENT I disagree. Objective detachment is not NEUTRAL. (NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE!)

      This IDEA of DETACHED OBJECTIVITY is a POWERFUL MYTH. I see it practiced every day!

      It just shuts down further thinking inquiry to a later date!———MAN-YARN-AH as the Spsnish expression goes?

      I like what Howard Zinn and that’s no YARN!


      ————————————————–Have a nice day FOLKS!________________________

      • paul degagne on November 10, 2011 at 4:10 am

        My previous post i-

        s an example of

        MUCH ADO


        That cat’s been out of the bag for

        a long time


        who let the dogs out,

        CORNY, CORNY CORNY and

        I cant quit my day job


        I don’t have one!

  2. paul degagne on November 7, 2011 at 5:40 am

    Good Morning all You Nice People out in the Giza Land,

    Something don’t FEEL right about my POSTINGS?

    Instead of commenting on individuals’ comments I am going to INSTEAD post on topics that Farrell PRESENTS that really interest me. (I can see my own interest while it doesn’t CLASH with the HEAVY-TECH language and SUBJECTS and OTHERS INTERESTS in my own opinion there are threads BUT these threads of mine, I know, are a real STRETCH for THOSE who have different paths to follow in life.

    I don’t want anyone to mistakenly think I am trying to MONOPOLIZE a web site like many of you no doubtively has experience in the past on the INTERNET.

    So I am going to greatly REDUCE my impute AND only INCREASE it when it has MATTERS THAT GREATLY CONCERN ME.

    Does that sound REASONABLE?

    P.S. —- I am still going to add satirical PERSONAL comments for humor when mixed with serious-business makes PARADOXICAL AWARENESS possible for the subject matter in this room is so far off the NORM in the SOCIETY we live in TODAY that —- YOU KNOW THE REACTIONS you get when you mention a few things in GGMM. (they run you out of town if you insist and persist!)

    So we all hang around together with EACH OTHER like one family of STRANGERS who are not quite like strangers.


  3. paul degagne on November 6, 2011 at 6:26 am

    Now that I maybe getting through again —I’ll write a short version of what got blipped!

    I beg to differ? Why only three choices (renaissance, reformation, revolution). I like Pluralism.


    Proper EXISTENTIAL THOUGHT —- The Time for decision/deciding is always NOW!

    This is a discussion forum for readers of Farrell’s works. So I am discussing, Right?

    I think HIS-STORY is a LITANY of HORRORS! A chorus of MAL-INTENT!

    I wouldn’t be as DUMB as youth if I could go back (now that’s a really old-saying) I probably would be a practicing ANARCHO-PRIMITIviST even if that political movement is doomed from the start like the Wobbiles! Their just sacrifical lambs out in thos BEAUTIFUL NORTHWESTERN FORESTS waiting to be… DIGESTED.!

    Universal Symbolic Language — we have that already and it’s called higher mathematics. Too bad only FOUR PEOPLE IN THE WORLD CAN UNDERSTAND IT like that scene in the very good movie called GOOD WILL HUNTING.

    We do have it. THE invention that translates what’s spoken in one language instantly into another. DOES anyone REALIZE the value of this SIMPLE IDEA. We’re back to the Tower of Babel only this time the end- results might be different.

    I am going to offer a simple Irrefutable question.


    THIS language technology goes a long, long, long way and even longer than that direction.

    Sure they just invented the latest SPACE suit where one can walk on the Earth without breathing in all that POLLUTION but I think in this guy’s not so humble opinion a real discovery like that LANGUAGE TRANSLATING MACHINE does the world some needed good and only appears MUNDAME like some those girls sitting by themselves in the dance hall that nobody asks to dance. What gems they sometimes turn out to be! (Hurrah, struck gold at last!)

    Talking about CROSSROADS — isn’t that where Greeks placed stones. At roads that crossed paths with each other? Maybe we should be ‘PRAYING ‘ to the DEITY – HERMES. Maybe we would get faster results. I am sick and tired of waiting around like GODOT!

    Mercury – God of Communication, lightening SPEED flashes over the surface of PLANET EARTH. Yes,yes, yes – maybe we should?

    But Wisdom whispers —“Don’t forget dry-old Saturn! “Who wants or even like that,” you may say? I would like a little Saturn in my life but I think I already do have and it’s one bugger to get a grip on. Like the god Proteus if I am not mistaken. That THOUGHT of THAT DEITY = Shape-shifts like wild!



  4. paul degagne on November 6, 2011 at 4:09 am


    Do we always have to EARN A LIVING?

    What is this about Life being a GIFT or a form of GRACE instead of all TOIL.


    Grant that whoever is paying the bills or web master is a worthy consideration — I AM NOT A LIBERTARIAN and never WILL BE!


    In case this gets through and make me sound off the wall — This is the third post and I don’t know if it will get through?

    Could very well be some techno-difficulty rather than any “monkey shine” business. i don’t know/ If it isn’t then the above is what I assert anyway! I’m not the most trusting soul nor am I a devotee. I just read.

    SOMETHING FUNNY GOING ON WITH MY COMPUTER. I wish I were more then just barely COMPUTER LITERATE. ( i get suspicious in these times if you know what I mean? But then again, I am just a NOBODY only a few people will ever hear about —then puff off in the wind (extinction). How’s that for Buddhist 1st noble truth’s realizations?

    • paul degagne on November 6, 2011 at 4:12 am

      Good I got through!

      also —I will and do PROMOTE BABYLON’S BANKSTER AND GGMM to anyone who might be interested.

      Nothing like FREE PUBLICITY!

    • Spirit Splice on November 7, 2011 at 12:34 pm

      So who is going to give you free food, clothing and shelter? You have a right to life but not a right to stuff, especially when you must force others to provide it. Thats the problem with Socialism, “eventually you run out of other peoples money.”

  5. marcos anthony toledo on November 4, 2011 at 10:47 am

    If you trying a to defend a place for white people why did you not defend Europe you let the Turks destroy the last remnant of the Roman Empire in fact you stab it in the back that state should be around today. The symbol of Islam the cresant moon was before 1453 the symbol of the city of Byzantium and later Nova Roma it was never called Constantinople until it’s fall to the Turks. You allowed the the Turks to take European lands from Greece to Hungery and hold them for centuries they still hold on to the city of Byzantium to this day. The lands you call white people lands really belong to the native people you have displace and have tried to exterminate. The people along the Mexico Virgina border are the decendents of the people of the America’s retaking lands stolen from them. This whole world IS need of a Renaissance of all their native cultures for far to long they have been inslave to the Western Semites and their family fued over their inhertage and a willing to incinarate the world over it this must be stop for the safety of the world.

  6. Greg Parent on November 2, 2011 at 3:46 am

    If you don’t think the OWS folks are completely nuts, check out this piece from Stephen Colbert:

    He’s joking about it being a cult, but if it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck…

  7. Greg Parent on November 1, 2011 at 12:47 am

    We need a metanoia (in the sense used by Basil the Great).

  8. Gus76 on October 30, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    “We need a Renaissance of culture, of learning, and most importantly, of tolerance and civility”

    I long for the day when my racial group,white people,are allowed to say that we want to continue our existence as a a racial group free from the threat of mass immigration and enforced “assimilation” without so-called “anti-racists” frothing at the mouth and screaming “raacist” or more properly: “Heresy!”

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

  9. Modric on October 30, 2011 at 9:40 am

    The Crusades were a reaction to Moslem aggression and invasions in the same way Nazism was a reaction to Communism. What will be the reaction to the religion of Political Correctness which has been imposed on the West by the current “elite”? Let’s be honest, the people and speech that is the MOST SUPPRESSED are pro-Whites and pro-White speech; only White children aren’t allowed to have one country on earth to call their own; only White countries are required to be multiCULTural. Anyone who opposes this FORCED “diversity” is at the very least demonized as a “racist” or a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews, and/or have their reputations and livelyhoods ruined, or even put in jail in many European countries. Thee Tyranny of our times is a manically geNOcidal anti-White tyranny. Let’s be honest (i.e. non-politically correct), “diversity” means less White people, ONLY White people are FORCED to mix in with people who are not of our race in our own countries – it IS geNOcide. Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White countries for EVERYONE! – it IS geNOcide. Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.

    • paul degagne on October 31, 2011 at 3:55 am

      It’s really Ironic justice — white people screaming racism. White people are lucky Black people are so emotional developed that they can forgive and sometimes forget the sins of the past.

      In the seventies white people brought up race and black people would get UPSET because right after the civil rights movement they wanted to believe society was getting color-blind. )The blacks found out?)

      Now some decades later, White people get UPSET when Blacks bring up Race or Race issues such as Reparations. White people want to believe it’s now a color-blind society we live in. Funny in an old way.

      I tell black people — do you ever think you’ll get reparations for the wrongs done. I tell them ‘forget it.” When white people are getting screwed left and right – losing their jobs, etc. what makes you think black people aren’t going to continue getting the same? It gives them pause!

      In a city about 1/3 black such as Chicago I only seen maybe two, three the most, blacks at the evening or 7pm daily gathering. Why is that. I am going to stir that subject around when I attend the one on the 1st?

      I read John Coleman too. His emphasis on historical records or references is quite detailed. I only wished I more time to look at it. Especially his writings on the Travistock Institute.

      I jumped a little bit — i read Henry Makow and was really shocked. SLAMMED IF I MAY SAY SO. If what he says along with what others write I feel sorry for the JEWISH PEOPLE because they are victims (suckers) to ROTHSCHILD!

      I seem to remember long ago some documentary where the Zionist Leaders over in the Warshaw ghetto were feasting at some full dinner table while people were lying dead on the sidewalks.

      That’s pretty bad. If that picture isn’t some kind of PROPAGANDA! —- Like J. ELULL once said — It can be used both ways! or what I say – the SWORD cuts both ways!

      • Hermes on October 31, 2011 at 6:17 am

        Isn’t it a beautiful job they’ve done though? The entire race is a SACRED COW to be admired, but not questioned 🙂 So we can all conveniently all jump off the edge of the CLIFF and only after the stomach rises in anticipation of the full stop at the bottom, do we have a moment to reflect on the nature of where this idiocacy has taken us????

        AAAAHHHHHHHHH…crossing the Rubicon with me????? It only LOOKS far 🙂

  10. Greg Parent on October 30, 2011 at 6:41 am

    An authentic esoteric tradition requires an unbroken chain of transmission which is primarily oral–although there may also be in some cases textual support. An esoteric tradition cannot be reconstructed on the basis of texts alone. There also must be an unbroken chain of succession which is accomplished through an oral transmission of a knowledge that the the textual supports present symbolically and incompletely.

    This is why all the reconstructions are more appropriately called pseudo-esoteric or counterfeit traditions. This applies to speculative masonry, theosophy, Rosicrucianism, and a host of others including many New Age revivals and philosophies.

    The authentic esotoric tradition is driven by Spiritual (or Supra-human) influences while the counterfeit or pseudo-esoteric traditions are driven by infra-human, maleficent influences.

    Any authentic Western esoteric tradition probably ended with Dante’s Fedeli L’Amour and the suppression of the Templars (who did not practice usury by the way).

    • Jay on October 30, 2011 at 8:57 am

      Seems to me that again and again for the last two thousand years and bit, various authorities world wide have sought to destroy those texts in ancient libraries, the Romans did in the Druid Library near modern Paris, they also burnt the library in Carthage. What do you think all those Tibetan monasteries that the Chinese destroyed held?

      There are plenty of texts, some written in the last hundred year, but there also appears to be an effort to suppress them.

      I only bring up texts, because you so emphasized the oral chain, sorry that’s an excuse for not seeing active suppression of books that challenge authority.

      It’s the books you’ve barely heard of that may contain something, not the latest rant from whomever.

      • Greg Parent on October 30, 2011 at 9:55 pm

        The Druids are an excellent example of a chain of initiation that relied exclusively on an oral tradition.

        The other point to be made, which numerous cultural and social critics have
        pointed out, many current evils, and perhaps the underlying pathology of our modern culture, are the fruits of trends that began during the Renaissance and Reformation. Some would point to the ideologies and theology thus born as the seed of the current crisis.

    • paul degagne on October 31, 2011 at 4:21 am

      I still believe it will be spiritual even though it takes on a Physics face.

      How ever we want to position ourselves when observing a “Phenomenon” the Phenomenon still exists whether visible or invisible – inside or outside)or whether others do and you don’t or others don’t and you do)

      If the Phenomenon didn’t exists then WHAT THE HELL ARE WE LOOKING AT or talking about? ( and this BALONEY that your seeing something that’s not there has got to stop if we want a new paradigm.

      It seems always about the “OTHER” = OVER there! Never about the OTHER for and of ITSELF!

      Unbroken chain of oral transmission. Each generation in a way creates it’s OWN UNIQUE TRADITION whether most of it is remembered or not.

      If it is broken then what hope do NATIVE AMERICANS HAVE? They might as well CHUCK it all up to bits and START from scratch but we NEVER CAN start that BLANK SLATE!

  11. sk on October 30, 2011 at 6:17 am

    I think a renaissance is what is needed too. I don’t think there will be one without free and open dicussion of the future of White children, and their need for a home of their own on this planet. If the psychopaths at the top, who for the most part look white themselves, achieve their genocidal plans for a “new world order,” then the world will be sewed up for destruction. It’s happened before, hasn’t it?

  12. paul degagne on October 30, 2011 at 3:37 am

    I am thinking about this Black and white business and a u-tube presentation where Jordan Maxwell was speaking and showing slides of Symbols.

    The two mountains with the Sun in between them?

    What interested me was a comment or question a viewer made or was it Maxwell himself (?) made about one pole on the right and another pole on the left and a synthesis being created through the FUSION OF THE TWO!

    This is easier said than done if one wants a SPECIFIC outcome. All this talk about this process is just talk because if the talkers were successful at understanding this process I think they PROBABLY would be a little more discrete. (if isn’t called OCCULT or better still ESOTERIC for flimsy reasons?)

    Go look at the cover of Jung’s book or maybe it is just a page in his Alchemy writings. SHOWS A BIG KEDDLE WITH ALL TYPES OF STRANGE CREATURES AND VARIOUS OBJECTS IN IT!

    That is what one gets with most FUSION processors. Not this —– I KNOW THE SECRET OF THE UNIVERSE BECAUSE I READ ANN RAND AND SHE TOLD ME SO!

    Altruistic actions are EXCELLENT! All this rational self-interest nonsense was just an THROWBACKS OR CRUMY LEFTOVER DISHES OF AN ENLIGHTENMENT COVER-STORY to screw us all!

    When we were just a little shits in diapers screaming for mama’s milk we were very lucky mama didn’t believe in Rational self interest otherwise we would be a lot skinnier than we are now?

    Worst still mama could have said, I am very busy at the moment and it is not in my rational self-interest to leave what I am doing and give you the tit. Worst yet she could have decided, you scream too much and gave you a whack or two to shut you up! Worst even than that she could have said it is in my rational self-interest that I practice INFANCIDE and get rid of you for good because then he will love me and would want to be with me — just like that SMITH mother who drowned her kids in a car.

    Genuine Altruistic deeds is what the world needs.


    • Antoine on October 30, 2011 at 4:00 am

      Dude, calm down and take your medicine. Take it elsewhere, too.

      • paul degagne on October 30, 2011 at 4:09 am

        VERY GOOD — I will take my medicine. What did you say your name was? ABBE NORMAL? Yeah there’s million of you normal people. When world war three comes around million of you NORMAL people will be off fighting for TRUTH, JUSTICE AND THE AMERICAN WAY just as they did back in ww11.

        sI-A-nah -RAW!

        • paul degagne on October 30, 2011 at 7:06 am

          Personal clashes over a manner of someone’s writing STYLE or FLARE.

          COME ON NOW – If I didn’t know any better I would say your Jew-vin-ile! (I know better)

          You didn’t get where you are today blindly reacting — letting any TOM, DICK and HARRY push your buttons.

          Nothing to get disturbed over! (but you are right Atonoine – I am not just a little DISTURBED. I’m MAD as hell over what’s happening in the world. Just like those ‘MOTHERS’ are MADD over some dumb-drunk running over their only child! I know for I once counseled some of them, the alcoholics that is. I paid my dues and left the field. Let the DEAD bury the DEAD!

          There’s a saying —- There is a calm in the eye or center of the storm!

          Take off your glasses and join the rest of the LOT, ha, ha!!

          I hope your not saying Tu, tu to your self like some stuck up girl at a high school dance. (ever go to a class reunion and see the two-ton Annies who used to have such nice figure. GO FIGURE. They were so conceited – now they would such up to some baldy with two front teeth left in their mouth. And, NO MONEY TO BOOT, HA, HA? GO FIGURE?.)

          If we are ever going to transcend our differences or rise above the clouds of disention than we better begin at HOME. Then we can go out on the streets and do some good!

          SARTRA once stated = ‘HELL IS OTHER PEOPLE” I think he wasn’t entirely correct?

          NO EXIT! It could be right but -BIG BUTT ME is not giving up this easy! (you’d want me in your fox-hole but Lordy I hope it never gets down to that!)

          There was only one guy on the train heading off to the cremoriums who knew FREEDOM. That was the guy who fled from the boxcar and got a bullet in the back running! The rest couldn’t face their fate.

          Did you read that novel or trilogy of his? It wasn’t troubled sleep. I think it was “THE REPRIEVE/?

          ANYWAY, IF WE ARE ALL DOOMED SLAVES IN THE END then I want to be the one who got it in the back because at least I still remembered what FREEDOM is like (also it’s quicker that way then just being gassed!)

          Also, I see that ‘picture ‘ of you by your comment post. You look a little like that GUY who starred in the movie “GROUND HOG DAY?’

          Really — YOU DO? ( OH NO! another day on the GIZA DEATH STAR WEBSITE! I hope not?

          • Antoine on October 30, 2011 at 7:13 pm

            Dude, I think I do speak for most readers here, looking at the style of the comments, when I say you should tone it down. You read like you took twelve coffees and a case of Brawls on top.

          • Hermes on October 31, 2011 at 6:03 am

            Keep it coming…I disagree…

            People like their cookie cutter boxes and confortable thoughts…I prefer the rambling insights my self…turning down left brain, amplifiny RIGHT hemisphere (need to power it up due to inactivity).

            paul, do you read greatminds?

            You would be a fabulous author me thinks…come on over…I am preparing a first article to submit based on our Mr Herman Cain 🙂

            PS…I’m not into personal ad hominan (sic?) stuff though…

      • paul degagne on October 31, 2011 at 3:25 am

        I guess I could be considered a little hyper-inflated when I think of your position or people like you. By the way I had only one coffee yesterday.

        Some have called it a hyper-alertness. I don’t think so? I’ve seen obsessive/ compulsives – they cant accomplish things. I DO! I’ve seen Bi-polars and I find I am not a chicken running around with my head cut off despite what you may secretly think of me. I have plenty of MEANING in my writings. If you chose not too see it that’s you perogative!

        I READ what I write and I scrutinize it even more than what others write such as yourself. I just don’t care much for prison-like structures in language and I am going to do everything in my power to NEGATE limitations of LANGUAGE as implied in the Whorf/Sapir hypothesis!

        I think the PROBLEM LIES at a deeper level. You like the APPROACH Farrell is taking. I,speaking for myself, find it difficult for it makes me think I need two more degrees in Math and Physics ( farrell know this and fills his book with summaries). I lag behind in that area. I should have learn more but we only have so much TIME in this world and I have my preferences just as you do. Different strokes, si!

        When Farrell isn’t being scientifically specific or when he goes into SPECULATION as good GENERALISTs do. That is why I bought four of his books. Even though ONE FACT can take us to the end of outer space (scalar wave) it is only one face of Life and Reality.

        I like his more historical approach and his TRANSLATION of ALCHEMICAL language of the past to FUTURE language of sub-quantum physics. This is very difficult to do. Translate what those ancient documents and not as ancient mean in a way we MODERNS can understand. This is what I think you like the most. As for myself I want more to be able to READ ”as if’ I still retained an older mind. (sometimes I do/) People think modernity is all there is which is a very modern way of thinking. Screw all that JAZZ! Not for me?

        I only seem to DETRACT your attention from this what you like – that approach. If you thought about it a bit longer YOU just might find we live ordinary lives too. After all those wonderful times we have reading we’re still in a UCkED-UP MUNDANE WORLD and what are we going to do about it rather then get lost in intellectual virtual reality mind-thought games! ( You may say, no I aint like that but I say that kind of thinking/being is leading?

        — trying to empty the ocean a bucket at a time like I do will never happen but over some years the water gathered can be substantcial. What is it about genius besides being born with it. Ah yes, where we think 10thoughts on a subject in a DAY while they the geniuses think 100 times in a day. Same thought in both but what a difference a day can make.

        So rather than telling me to TAKE A HIKE off this web site —- what you are calling too much Cafine? iI am thinking I also want to mix knowledge, how shall I say it — I want to mix ABSTRACT or MODERN thinking with what LEVI STRAUSS calls CONCRETE thinking. (a different “other’ kind of stimuli.)

        I DON’T WANT TO FORGET THE PAST IN THE MAD RUSH FOR THE FUTURE. I study conspiracy theory because I don’t have much hope for humanity although that doesn’t make me a hater! You prove it to me is this baloney keeps up?

        • paul degagne on October 31, 2011 at 4:50 am

          Here’s an example of PHILOSOPHY OF MIND doings?

          Your on the second floor looking out through a window across the street at a hardware store. A man walks into the hardware store.

          What’s the probability of him buying something?

          What makes you think he might not buy something? He could have just went into that store to carry a personal message to the store’s owner from his sister?

          I would say if the guy ran into the store in a hurry he needed to use the bathroom. OR You might say he wanted to buy the last of a new kind of hammer on sale before it is sold out.

          You are making inferences — Yeah, as if I could humanly drink 12 coffees. Antonine, if I drank 12 coffees and a case of Brawls then I would fly over to china and have a real one, ha,ha!

          That is even if you really live (((( I question INFERENCES)))) in China. Haven’t you heard BULL on the internet before, all invented characters, like when one moves to California and can be anyone they want to be or it used to be like that!

          How do I know your not some “AGENT from the Federal Bureau of IDIOTS or even a BOT for that matter, ha, ha.

          Just like we can never know with the kind of CERTAINLY you IMPLY —- THAT THE MAN WENT INTO THE STORE TO BUY SOMETHING!

          Do you BUY this line of MARLARKY? Is it marlarky?

          What’s the PROBABILITY????????

          • paul degagne on October 31, 2011 at 5:51 am

            Before I run off to UIC Library this not so bright cloudy day I just thought of a prose poem. It is lite, cute and humorous. Maybe it will be a welcome pleasant break for those of you who cant pull themselves away from the Tomes. (I know the feeling.)

            It’s from BAUDELAIRE and his prose poetry works called Paris Spleen translated by a Louise Varese and it’s titled:

            THE DOG AND THE
            SCENT -BOTTLE

            COME HERE, my dear, good, beautiful doggie, and smell this
            excellent perfume which comes from the best perfumer of Paris.
            And the dog, wagging his tail, which, I believe, is that poor
            creature’s way of laughing and smiling, came up and put his
            curious nose on the uncorked bottle. Then, suddenly, he backed
            away in terror, barking at me reproachfully.
            “Ah miserable dog, if I had offered you a package of excre-
            ment you would have sniffed at it with delight and perhaps
            gobbled it up. In this you resemble the public, which should
            never be offered delicate perfumes that infuriate them, but only
            carefully selected garbage.”

            Have a nice day today and don’t forget to call your mother.

        • Hermes on October 31, 2011 at 6:06 am

          Dont have much hope???? AAAHHHH…how could we move 4WARD without an innate drive above survival (i think we can agree, we haven’t REALLY used that part in a while)…although we do let pack rat politicians push that button in rather awkward ways…and we yell Heil America!!!! 🙂

    • paul degagne on October 30, 2011 at 4:05 am

      As long as my gander is up — it is almost trick or treat time.

      I can faintly remember a movie I once saw long ago. I do remember the last dramatic scene of the picture. Everyone was standing around in black robes at graduation time (I think it was some University like Oxford or Cambridge or something English like that)

      All of a sudden out of nowhere ALL the PROFESSORS stripped their black robes and threw them to the ground and became these terrifying vampires and attacked the students and the crowd in a real FRENZY. They were having a FEAST! End of Show!

      (Better to tie a millstone around the neck and be cast into the bottom of the sea than those who would harm these little ones.)

      Yeah, I remember this biblical expression. It is very good counseling!

      Only trouble is that there is no more room down there in DAVY JONES LOCKER! All filled up!

      So what did they come up with (Illuminati) to replace the bottom of Neptune’s Realm. (even he is complaining about the noise, ha,, ha!)(no water this time, not even FIRE – they got it wrong?)


      Happy Hollow-ween Folks, have fun and don’t forget this saying from a VERY SQUARE DIGEST —- LAUGHTER MAKES THE BEST MEDICINE!

      • Citizen Quasar on October 30, 2011 at 4:34 am

      • Hermes on October 31, 2011 at 6:11 am

        11/9 anyone????????

        How odd…speaking of odd movies with creatures from another place 🙂

        Killer Klowns from Outer Space…nver heard of it before…B movie with a self explantory title…well gee whiz…this weekend, this d@mn movie is on cable tv after I hear about it on Tues listening to an interview…interviewee was making point about synchronocities…guess I got assigned the homework too 🙂

        • paul degagne on October 31, 2011 at 8:02 am

          I checked online first and the UIC library didn’t carry the book I want to view before buying. I am through buying books with nice shinny cover titles that turn out to be DUDS!

          Thank you very much Hermes for your merciful appraisal. I can hear a racket in the background saying, “Don feed it or Encourage the THING or he’ll come back.” (the THING WONT if what you said antoine is completely correct??????????)

          Why get into a tiff when all we’re really doing is becoming aware of our blood circulating in veins as always. It’s a good to remember that or did someone forget it?

          I looked up ad hominen up at wiki to refresh my mind. Halo Effect – that certainly doesn’t apply. Abusive attacks, maybe if or I was stating were lies then any abusive attacks on my person would be justified. So what if I put horns on my head before it’s time for the nearing witching hour. Happy Hollaween Fokes.

          Yes Hermes I will look up that Great Minds website. When I see or hear those two words I watch out for DELUSIONS and deluded thinking (theirs and mine’s.) When I look up into the night at very clear skies I say, “OH, THE GRANDEUR OF IT ALL!”

          Now for the serious stuff — In my free association I remember this passage from Arnold Mindell or someone a little less arranged than I am, ha, ha You might appreciated and the Style of the Writing is how should Antoine say it, “APPROPRIATE.’

          It comes from that author’s book ‘EARTH BASED PSYCHOLOGY (not to take anything away from Farrell’s books but in the spirit to add to better understanding of Farrell’s works.)

          it is a section on page 6 titled;


          One of the many things I loved about Feynman while I was studying at MIT was that he taught with his drums! Combining his expressive bongo playing with jokes that made him a compelling and popular teacher. he loved painting, as well as physics, and is remembered for his outrageous staements as much as for his Nobel. “I can’t explain why Nature behaves in this peculiar way… So I hope you can accept Nature as She is —Absurd… I am going to have fun telling you about this absurdity, because I find it delightful.(4)
          Feynman is correct. Quantum theory is indeed absurd in that it is more dreamlike than real—and its dreamlikeness renders accurate results. Yet perhaps quantum physics is not so much absurd as amazing. Like the rest of mathematical physics, quantum theory is partially a projection of our dreams—the math is symbolic of what we do not quite know about ourselves: namely, the origins of our consciousness. To understand physics more fully, remember that (italized next two words in this paragraph) people discovered it. Physics is about the magical quantum world in which things interact at distances without reason or force. It is the world in which th shaman moves, the world each of us meets every second of our lives, the realm we enter every night in our dreams.
          In many ways people are like elementary particles: we are always trying to sniff out various paths to find the easiest one and the one that feels best—the one with the most heart, and the easiest one,


          that last paragraph is further spoken about photons entering a field not exactly the way they came out of it. (here I go again –getting this Time flowing backwards, backwards again. It’s confusing!

          oh yes, the number 4 foot note says this: “The mathematics of conjugation in physics reverses the time element in the echo wave.


          If the previous quotations don’t meet someone standards then I suggest they go visit the Great Minds Web site Like I am going to. They just might need it OPHs another Freuden slip of the finger, They just might MEAT those standards. ha,ha!

  13. Kent Brashear on October 29, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    Well said, Joseph.

  14. Terry Lamb on October 29, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    Your take on it hit me perfectly, Joseph…what we truly need is a New, “Second Renaissance”–a reboot, a flowering, an Ascension into new Dimensions of Understanding, and thus–a new Butterfly emerging from old cocoon carcases to bring a True Revolution!
    We can solve this “problem” by going into the Infinite Source of All–the Spirit.
    It will be an Awakening even the “Was the New World Order” will have to admit trumped their “End Game” plans…a peaceful, non-violent Statement of the 99% that will not abide by Evil…now or never!
    My Lineup:

    Nick Tesla, 1B
    Albert Einstein, LF
    Zack Sitchin, RF
    Jesus Christos, SS
    Budd Ha, CF
    Leonardo “da Vinci”, 3B
    “Mick ” El DeAngelo, 2B
    “Mo” Hammed, C
    Babe Ruth, P/ DH

    Mgr: “Doc” Joe Farrell

    Helluva Team!!!

  15. Ken Lemon on October 29, 2011 at 2:13 pm


    I was waiting for a comment from you regarding Dr. Wood’ book, and “speechless” is just about the same reaction I had.

    It’s inconceiveable that people still hold onto the explosives-in-the-building theory, even at ATS, you cannot get really anyone to go with Dr. Wood.

    I just wish our Prime Minister would read it, more to the point, every politician in the world should read it.

    It would be a totally different world, wouldn’t it?

    • Citizen Quasar on October 29, 2011 at 3:38 pm

      One thing I find both interesting and disturbing at the same time is that those who speak out in support of bombs in the building claim to be seeking the truth and yet when they are presented with evidence of molecular disruptor weapons which is equally as valid as their own evidence, and in many cases even more so, they refuse to even consider it.

      • Hermes on October 31, 2011 at 5:56 am

        Controlled disagreement…

    • LSM on October 30, 2011 at 6:25 am

      Hi Ken,

      you said it all!

      warmest regards,

      Larry in Germany

  16. Citizen Quasar on October 29, 2011 at 10:29 am

    What we (humanity) “needs” is to learn how to reason, to learn the virtue of acting in one’s rational self interest (That is: selfishness is a VIRTUE.), and to STOP using emotions as tools of cognition.

    As long as people think that self sacrifice is a virtue, as long as people think that money, or the love of money, is the root of all evil, as long as people think that faith trumps reason, as long as people think that flesh is evil and something called “spirituality” is the good, then people are doomed to slavery and misery and NO amount of information nor knowledge will preserve their life nor their freedom when premised on these.

    It is at this point that I will suggest that people go read John Galt’s speech in “Atlas Shrugged” because the one thing that people will NOT give up (you, Dr. Farrell, included) is their altruistic (self-sacrificial) morality.

    And they use this self-sacrificial morality as a justification for them telling ME that I should sacrifice myself to some “greater cause” or “greater good.” That’s baloney and it is NOT causally connected to reality.

    As for comparisons of the internet to the Gutenberg printing press, this is a good comparison in that vast amounts of information are now available to almost everyone almost everywhere. However, once again, as people cling to the false premises in paragraph two above, this vast amount of information is disconnected from reality.

    Also, as the Looters (“Elites”) maintain an energy monopoly, specifically with regard to the distribution of electricity worldwide, all they have to do is cut off the power by flipping a few switches and all that information becomes unavailable to the masses.

    • Citizen Quasar on October 29, 2011 at 11:32 am

      PS to Paragraph Two Above:

      As long as people think that love should be unconditional, as long as people think they should love their enemies…they are doomed to suffering, slavery, and early death.

      • Jay on October 29, 2011 at 12:03 pm

        You really need to get beyond defending greed; greed is a simplistic mindset, not too different than that of the Catholic Church in about 1200CE.

        The huge problem with Rand is that she couldn’t imagine a consciousness independent, though interacting, with her own.

        She and you have limited reality to your perception, how very totalitarian. Ironic.

    • lady la la on October 29, 2011 at 6:11 pm

      QC WRITES:
      As long as people think that self sacrifice is a virtue, as long as people think that money, or the love of money, is the root of all evil, as long as people think that faith trumps reason, as long as people think that flesh is evil and something called “spirituality” is the good, then people are doomed to slavery and misery and NO amount of information nor knowledge will preserve their life nor their freedom when premised on these.

      MY REPLY:
      I understand what you are trying to come to… but [if I may suggest] you are still in “the Matrix”. It is the other extreme — the opposite side of the SAME coin and so incomplete.
      The idea [if I may suggest] is to meld the 2 paradoxes into a harmonious 1.

      Why ONE or the OTHER?
      Why not BOTH?

      Self sacrifice needn’t be the extreme you are referring to.
      It might be not taking something for yourself simply because it is available if you see your neighbor greatly needs it instead. A gesture which however small, holds great weight.

      Money is fantastic. It not only buys freedom to do things — I can also purchase things that give me enjoyment. But can I give myself limits?
      Is 5 million enough?
      If so… OK.
      Stop there.

      Spirituality — unfortunately has been long forgotten in organized religion and this is the problem. It is greatly needed. The body and its needs are an essential part of real spiritualism. Again is not ONE or the OTHER… this is a perversion of the origins of all religions.

      The problem as I see it… is that in the West we educate the cerebral mind ONLY. This is why we have produced Harvard and Yale… psychopaths.

      Rather… WITH the functioning of this cerebral mind, we include feeling.
      Again, not ONE or the OTHER… but BOTH.
      This is when we are closer to our real nature.

      Can’t comment on Rand… couldn’t get through Atlas Shrugged. Too many other profoundly brilliant thinkers to read instead…

      • Citizen Quasar on October 29, 2011 at 8:53 pm

        Are you related to Jay, lady la la?

        • lady la la on October 29, 2011 at 10:46 pm

          Oh… because we both don’t care for … “Ayn”?

          Or because we are both dancing around the same idea of a non-black & white reality ….but one of grays ?

          Is it ONE or the OTHER…. or BOTH?

          • Citizen Quasar on October 30, 2011 at 3:12 am

            First of all, Jay is a web bot. I can tell this is true by its “personality,” the algorithm it is running. Yours is very similar; that’s why I asked the question. Specifically, it is designed to elicit responses. Perhaps you are a web bot too. I will have to observe you a little longer to decide.

            “If there is no black and white, there can be no gray—since gray is merely a mixture of the two.”

            —Ayn Rand, page 75, paragraph 2,”The Cult of Moral Grayness,” The Virtue of Selfishness, 1964.

            “When one is asked, “Surely you don’t think in terms of black-and-white do you?” —The proper answer (in essence if not in form) should be: “You’re damned right I do!”

            —Ayn Rand, page 79, paragraph 5,”The Cult of Moral Grayness,” The Virtue of Selfishness, 1964.

            “Ayn,” as you say, is one of those people that if I were able to choose a group of people to have dinner with at a big table in a fancy restaurant then she would be one of them. Others at the table would include, Judy Wood, Richard C. Hoagland, and Joseph P. Farrell.

          • Jay on October 30, 2011 at 4:46 am

            Citizen Quasar:

            Stop defending the banksters, which is what your continual reliance on Rand means.

            You sound like the End Timesers who claim to know that theirs is the only truth and the only way to any truth is thru them. In other words not real sharp, incurious and illinformed.

          • lady La La on October 30, 2011 at 5:23 pm

            When these discussions become personal attacks… web bots and whatever I must bit adieu.

            Sorry if you didn’t understand the black & white concept. I don’t recall my writing that we needed to ERADICATE BLACK and WHITE. Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote.

            You are hell bent on protecting your points but clearly … that is not the point.

            Ayn Rand is a bore. I have nothing more to say about her.
            Holy cow! Is she a relative of yours?
            If so, sorry — didn’t mean to offend.

  17. Robert Barricklow on October 29, 2011 at 8:14 am

    A deep analysis and one can’t escape your ‘solution’. In essence, in my ‘mind’s eye’, for this to occur, there must be an ‘individual revolution’.

  18. Antoine on October 29, 2011 at 6:47 am

    For someone who is below the weather this post was outstanding. Write a book about this idea Joseph. I contend its worth it and is mainstream enough you would reach a much wider audience. Talk to a mainstream editor about this. Oh, this could be great.

  19. Timothy Robert on October 29, 2011 at 5:24 am

    I started reading Dante seriously three days ago….

    • Antoine on October 29, 2011 at 6:42 am

      I’ll start reading Joseph more and more…

      • LSM on October 29, 2011 at 7:10 am

        ditto- with Dr. Wood’s book in between (have almost finished it)-

        all I can say is: I’m speechless

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