I ran across this interview of Randy Maugans by William Henry, courtesy of Facebook friend Patricia Howard that brought it to my attention:

Hypsters, Lies, and Mind Control

I have to say, that I am entirely in agreement with their assessment. The last year saw the alternative research community - what Mr. Henry calls the "truth community" - taking high dives off the cliffs into belly-flopping hysteria. We were treated to endless hype and the so-called testimony of "whistleblowers" - who must always remain anonymous of course, with little by way of corroboration from other sources to back any of it up.

But we have to ask ourselves why this is happening? Why the tailspin into endless speculations and apocalyptic scenarios, including replays of Hale-Bopp with Elenin, the reliance upon science fiction novels as "analysis", the heavy dose of alleged "whistleblower" testimony, the construction of macro-scenarios of apocalyptic "grandeur"(or perhaps better put of apocalyptic grandiosity)?

In his questioning of Mr. Maugans, William Henry elicited the response that Mr Maugans was connecting dots that would indicate that some of this, at least, is deliberate, suggesting that the aim is really to cast a pall of suspicion over anyone researching in the field. This, is, indeed, what has happened. 2011 saw a move within this "community'  (and I hesitate even using that word in connection with alternative research) away from research and analysis, and toward rampant speculation and scenario construction, "whistleblower" testimony, and...well... what I like to call the "diva" personality, i.e., the reliance upon a kind of "capital" built up over the years to promote speculation whose acceptance is based upon the stature or standing individuals have or had within the "community."

Speculation is, of course, the name of the game within this whole field, nothing would get done without it. But there is a great deal of difference between speculation based on research, documents, reasoned argument, and so on, and that based upon a diva's reputation and hysterics and histrionics, whistleblowers, alleged threats, marketing schemes in conjunction with said threats, anecdotes, and so on.

The bottom line, for me, is this, and I have said it often before: "research" based upon whistleblowers, channeling, science fiction novels or Hollywood movies, dubious "word analysis", and all the other claptrap that one so often hears, is not research. One cannot footnote a whistleblower, a channeled source, and so on. These things may, from time to time, shed interesting light on an argument, or even connect an interesting dot or two, but in the final analysis, there is no substitute for real documentable sources, for reasoned speculation and argument. Let's hope that 2012 brings some sanity back to the field.

Why is "whistleblower" testimony such a problem? Well, as I pointed out in Saucers, Swastikas, and Psyops, and as Dr. de Hart and I observed in Yahweh the Two-Faced God, such testimony is inevitably religious in its structure, it is a kind of "special revelation" in the face of which one is forced by the nature of the case to become either a "believer" or a "skeptic". The net effect of those relying upon such cases or indeed promoting it and pandering to it, is to transform the whole field into yet another form of "revealed religion", sans the deities, whose roles are replaced by the "divas" doing the singing of the aria.

As for Mr. Henry and Mr. Maugans, three cheers, guys, for having the guts and cahonies to call it all into question. Bravo!

Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. Fitzy on January 21, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Dr Farrell, felt compelled to add my three cents.

    Seems one of the underlying themes of the comments/replies – is where does one position oneself? – what firm ground do we use as a base to discuss the issues of this world.
    There is a gamut of ideas in the responses to your post, from ‘Absolutism’ to ‘Relativism’, ‘Religious belief’ to ‘Ultra Rationalism’, and a little ‘Anything Goes’ as well.

    The need to logically defend any of those positions, often creates a background tension. An assumption of a forthcoming attack precedes any discussion, we risk entering a combative scenario when raising an ‘ALT’ issue. We get caught up in mental wrestling, which leads away from the issue, and just like that communication stops and the yelling starts.

    Nothing is achieved, nothing is learnt, we become entrenched in defensive aggression.

    The ill named ‘Alternative’ media/community, seems to have been derailed into a never-ending defensive position, we’re always stumbling to assert a firm and calm argument.

    Here, I think we find the tracks in the snow, of the beast we hunt. The Divider, the conqueror, the trouble making spirit – seems to appear within this community like flies at a picnic.

    Robust debates attract heated exchanges, that’s fine, they should. But, we find in the Alt realm, a destructive precursor to most discussions. That NEED to be right combined with the NEED to be heard, combined with the assumption an attack.

    It has all the hall marks of the abuse victim mentality.

    And that’s hard for some to hear, but its becoming painfully apparent. The Alt community is overflowing with Victims of every flavor of abuse, tragically, and until that’s recognized none of the weird disruption that occurs will make much sense.

    Its my position, that an abuse victim template exists, be it Mental/Physical/Sexual/All of these. Its wrapped around us at a young age, it becomes our identity. We are triggered to seek alternative answers to our internal grief, rather than the real one, then we create elaborate fantasies to explain the pain.

    And a chunk of the worlds population, who are naturally curious about the way the world works, are trapped in a loop. Harmless, self absorbed, no longer a potential opposition to malignant political forces.

    The Alt Movement has imploded, because it offers NO REAL forward motion, towards greater compassion, Human self awareness or personal integration/ understanding. It pulls its fans back into a fantasy/victim mentality, where they pass decades looking for Reptilians, UFO’s, Pan Dimensional beings, Ghosts, Secret bases, Grey Aliens, Angels and Monsters.

    The solution is simple, rigorous self assessment – compassionate self discovery, leading to a wholesome self awareness. Know who you are, how you got here, and where you want to be. Create your own language, art and music to describe who and what you are, and do this independent of the Mob criticism of others. And from that firm position, we can all discuss our observations, free from dogma or fear.

    Many thanks Dr Farrell, I enjoyed your post.

    • Joseph P. Farrell on January 21, 2012 at 4:10 pm

      Thanks Fitzy…a very provocative and thoughtful comment! In the main I tend to agree with you.

    • Lauren White on January 23, 2012 at 4:50 pm

      Echoing Dr. Farrell’s thanks, heartily. Fitzy, I’m also now enjoying your posts at Great Minds of Today, and your links to Jeremy Griffith’s World Transformation Movement. Much appreciated!

      • Fitzy on January 26, 2012 at 5:13 pm

        Thanks Lauren, I appreciate the shout out, all the best to you.

        And many thanks to Dr Farrell, for his generosity and time, happy 2012!

    • Robert Barricklow on January 26, 2012 at 5:55 pm

      Liked your ‘The solution is simple…’ paragraph.
      Well said.

      The most dangerous thing is illusion.
      -Ralph Waldo Emerson

      • Fitzy on January 26, 2012 at 9:12 pm

        Thanks Robert, I have to hand to Dr Farrell however, his assessment of the 2011 scene was exceptionally strong and pertinent.

        The tremors reverberating throughout the various movements, do seem to indicate a strange division between personality types, and it does feel like an engineered conflict.
        We need to personally stay on track in 2012, a combo of using ones own internal compass, and measuring others experiences compassionately and critically, and taking the best from them.
        We are smart enough to do this, we do have the skills required, and as we can see from Dr Farrell’s article, we also have the wisdom and the courage.

        Many thanks Robert.

  2. joseph m kirk on January 21, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    as an observer of the alternative research community i have found there are some who i trust more than others (and you sir were among those that i found trustworthy most of the time) – why is my opinion changing about you? – why would you create this contoversey? i personally have had experiences that you can not ‘footnote’ – does that mean they were not real? from the jacque valle to now you there has always been an undercurrent to explain away real experience as some sort of hallucination (now you are even implying that the temple/pyramid system is causing this phenomena) – it seems to me you are on the one hand condeming those that would try to create division then on the other hand you are creating the very same kind of division – you disappoint me to the extent that i wonder if your latest work can be trusted?

    • Joseph P. Farrell on January 21, 2012 at 2:00 pm

      First, I did not create the controversy, I am reporting on an interview. Nor do I doubt experiences, I just do not, as you know, make them a basis of research or reporting. I’ve said over and over again that there is some sort of direct interface between the physical medium and consciousness, but that this is not well understood and needs further careful and close study. Hope that helps somewhat.

      • joseph m kirk on January 21, 2012 at 2:43 pm

        i know you are a very busy person so i won’t drag this out – let me use an example – william henry is what i call an ‘everything is wonderful’ researcher – that is his agenda because he attracts people who come to his seminars and pays for his visits to egypt, etc – greg braden, richard hoagland, david ike – all have an agenda -that does not mean that the information they provide is invalid – with you my impression is that your devoted to facts that would allow you to formulate opinions and theories that could be supported and you did not seem to attack anyone who held different opinions ( just put the information out there and let the reader make their minds up) – now whether you admit it or not that has changed – maybe the information in your latest work changed you?

        • Joseph P. Farrell on January 21, 2012 at 3:43 pm

          A fair point. No I haven’t changed per se, but merely become sick and tired of the scenario building without adequate argumentation and documentation. I readily grant that there is a kind of jonquils and daisies approach to things, and equally, a kind of doom and gloom one. I am trying – perhaps unsuccessfully – to make people stop and take notice that there are two kinds of researchers and approaches out there, and that I definitely do not identify with the kind of scenario building that is taking place in most cases. Does that help?

          • joseph m kirk on January 21, 2012 at 4:22 pm

            thank you for replying – i will certainly give it some thought – a quick question – i have never seen anything in print about alternative history during the 1960-1975 time period in southeast asia (for example – detonation of nuclear devices in cambodia and that was the reason we were not to go there) – a lot of my personal experience comes from that time and that area – any comments?

        • Dr. Scott D. de Hart on January 22, 2012 at 3:49 pm

          “now whether you admit it or not that has changed – maybe the information in your latest work changed you?”

          As one who has known JPF for approximately two decades, I can speak to that question or suggestion. What is written in the “latest work” was (as is stated in the book) thoughts that have been with him longer than the first work he published. In other words, there is no “change” revealed from the most recent work nor was any other work written under a different frame of mind. JPF holds most thoughts and research for years before writing and thus by the time it reaches publication (if he chooses to publish it at all) it is not a “new” idea or thought; he is meticulous in research, timing, and determining how he will release material after laying years of foundation down. In any case, the most recent work gives the background to the book and it surely is far from a recent change.

      • paul degagne on January 27, 2012 at 3:30 am

        A direct interface between the physical medium and consciousness.

        I have been looking at the “body” and “LANGUAGE”(blended together) as the physical medium between The SEMIOTIC AND THE SYMBOLIC REALMS.

        The only trouble is we could get into “endless debates” over the meanings of SEMIOTIC and SYMBOLIC.


        • paul degagne on January 27, 2012 at 6:19 am

          I also stumbled on to this title (?) THEOLOGY AND CONTEMPORARY CRITICAL THEORY by a Graham Ward.

          In it he dwells on a question which goes something like this:

          How can we our experiences of God match up with what we know of the world?


          I don’t know ABOUT experiences of GOD (peakies) but I do like to find out a little more about EXPERIENCES OF THE COLLECTIVE UNCONSCIOUS? (maybe they are the same thing – who knows?)

          That is those EXPERIENCES that haven’t been TINKERED WITH by some EXTRA/INTRA —terristerials. ( I would love to take a look at the ACTUAL DEVICE but them they probably would have to kill me, ha, ha!)

          It’s all MOOT because the suckers want 42 dollars for the BOOK!

  3. Jedi on January 21, 2012 at 8:31 am

    comments are moderated?

  4. marcos anthony toledo on January 20, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    This the age of Dogma of all kinds it has only grow worst down the centuries. They have all thrown away their brains.

  5. Steve Buchanan on January 19, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    Although listening to whistleblowers and somewhat wild scenarios is entertaining it’s not something I would take as seriously as well studied and researched documents.
    Look it, I am a real layman in this area but I know the difference between good study and what appears to be entertainment maybe even deliberate misleading entertainment. So I think if there is a split in the alternative research community it will just make it easier to select which researchers to read and listen to.

  6. MattB on January 18, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    This looks to be a good read by someone who ‘gets it’, with a forward by our very own JPF:

    Anatomyzing Divinity: Studies in Science, Esotericism and Political Theology [Paperback]
    James L. Kelley (Author), Joseph P. Farrell (Foreword)


    Adding to my Amazon account now 🙂

    • HAL838 on January 19, 2012 at 7:57 am

      I just got my copy

  7. Bear claw Chris Lapp on January 18, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    There’s a lot of crap in alt-news and alt-research community. Come to think about it, there’s a lot of crap in the mainstream media too. The best work in alt-research is Dr. Farrell. Nobody comes even close to him as far as uncovering the mysteries. He’s disseminating knowledge that before him was only known to high initiates of secret societies, or people on the inside of the intelligence world and/or military industrial complex.

    On the alt-News side the most prominent entity is Alex Jones. Jones has a huge audience and his show can be provocative and informative. What bothers me about Jones is that he sometimes gives off the energy of a cult leader (people call him “Jonestown” for a reason). His theatrics come across as being over-the-top and most likely are rehearsed? I can picture him posing in front of a mirror like the famous pictures of Hitler when he was rehearsing his speech theatrics.

    His use of masonic hand signs (the OK 666 sign and the horned beast sign) and his associations with the Zionist faction of the Anglo-American elite are also reason for concern. His infiltration of the Bohemian Grove was a red flag as well, as it was this event (which was clearly staged) that helped push him into national prominence.

    Jones also hasn’t invited the most provocative alt-researcher on the planet to do his show. I’m talking about Dr. Farrell of course. This reveals something to me. Jones likes to frame the New World order as being “Nazis” or even a “German Death Cult.” Anyone who’s read Dr. Farrell knows that the NWO is actually made up of several factions. What Jones does is divert the actions of the whole NWO onto the German faction. He can’t bring Dr. Farrell on the show because this messes up the narrative that he’s creating. Jones is like the White Nationalists who frame the NWO as being run entirely by “the Jews.” But in Jones’ case, it’s the Nazis (Jim Marrs and Peter Levenda do this as well).
    Dr. Farrell also exposes the Old Testament “God”, and this alone probably displeases some of Jones’ backers.

    If things start really heating up between the Germanic faction and the Anglo-American faction of the NWO, Jones will most likely frame the fight as being between the Evil Nazi New World Order Death Cult and the Good old Judeo Christian Patriotic American elites who since WWII have been fighting the Nazi NWO covertly. Richard Hoagland has been pushing this meme recently. I heard him on several occasions say that Anglo-American elites (connected to the intelligence community and NASA) want to lift up humanity but first we must defeat the Nazis, then we can break out the new technology and live in masonic utopia.. Hoagland appears to advocate for global government just as long as its the “Good Masons” (his exact words) who run it.

    We’re at a time when more “conspiracies” will be uncovered. Jones is in place to be the point man for when alternative news starts growing in significance. All of a sudden we’ll start seeing more mainstream actors giving respectability to Jones. They’ll say “he was right the whole time, so we better listen to him.”

    Jones is charismatic and good at stirring up emotions. Many of his followers come across as being just as closed minded as the standard Fox News watching Conservative or MSNBC watching liberals. His followers react very strongly when someone questions Jones’ authority on a subject or his intentions. Someone with Jones’ skills can be useful to the elites when they need “man of the people.”

    • Bear claw Chris Lapp on January 19, 2012 at 1:05 am

      I don’t want to overstate the masonic role in the NWO. The average 3rd degree masonic knows very little of the world’s power dynamics. In fact, I don’t think you get to really start learning the game until your at 33 degrees. I believe there are groups over the masons; people may call this the “Illuminati.” Symbols have different meanings as you move up in secret societies. In NASA they used to say “the lie changes the higher you go in the organization.”

      The founding fathers even wrote about the lodges in America were being subverted by forces out of Europe. So I can’t say they’re all bad. A lot of what the masons study is fascinating. The “mysteries” are fascinating and the masons study the mysteries. The masons dress like magicians (or do magicians dress like masons?). They know about “magic” and alchemy. I’ve known some good people who happened to masons. However, when I was in the armed forces I met masons who used their fraternal connections to furthur their careers.

      My point is that I don’t want to imply that masons or masontry is all evil. It’s just highly connected to a global elite who believe they have the right to rule the world. And if you look into masonic doctrine, it seems to justify these actions? The other faction in the Anglo-American elite is the Jewish-Zionist faction. If you look into Jewish mysticism (Kabbalism) you find much of the same symbols and rituals as the masons. In fact, some people believe that freemasonry grew out of Kabbalism? So both the gentile masonic faction and the Jewish faction of the Anglo-American elite have this connection to kabbalism/masonry. They also place importance on the old testament. Both seem hostile to the new testament?

      A more controversial question is whether or not their can be “Good Nazis?” LOL If you think about this group without the brutality, camps, and mass killings they’re actually quite fascinating. Ironically they might be the most open minded people in the history of the world? Their approach to science, philosophy, and mythology was light years ahead of everyone. They literally wanted to contact the Gods of mythology (and may have done so?).

      So where does this leave the common man on earth who has to live life while the Nazis and the Illuminati compete for ruler-ship over the earth? LOL All I know is that I won’t be anyone’s pawn. I’m declaring myself a conscientious objector. I advocate non-violence. What the world needs in these uncertain times are cool headed people who instinctively side with caution in finding solutions for problems.

      • paul degagne on January 19, 2012 at 5:49 am


        I don’t admire their ANIMAL/ECOLOGICAL(at least in the SHORT RUN) survival strategy. I read somewhere — either from Studs Kurkle or Howard Zinn that WWII COs were placed in sic – WORK CAMPS OUT WEST SOME-WHERE (?) and treated hidiously and worked like SLAVES. I cant confirm this but it rings true.

        (After the frozen past starts to melt or thaw FOURTY-YRS-LATER all the SHIT-NEWS rises to the surface?)

        What’s INTEGRITY WORTH?

    • paul degagne on January 19, 2012 at 5:32 am

      You wrote this following sentence:

      “Anyone who reads Dr. Farrell knows that the NWO is actually made up of several fractions.”

      It brings back the reader to I think the SHREDS OF REALITY? ( or at least it’s a thread in the LABYRINTH OF CONSPIRACIES that returns my TWO FEET BACK ON THE GROUND.)

      We need that kind of MEASURE!


      I am not giving up David Icke’s PYRAMID SCHEME of Centralization Processes formulated at the top?

      For example;

      Just as gangsters have “TWO sets of accounting books” I know there are TWO sets of laws== One for us smucks and NO LAWS for those at the top!

      Then on the other HAND:

      DECENTRALIZATION IS ALL AROUND US AND IS CREATING MUCH HAVOIC! (one tiny thing goes wrong in such a complex and complicated system and it goes KAPUT!

      Lets hope CYBERNETICS cant be PERFECTED? (if so then WE’RE DONE FOR!)

      I ASS-U-ME the SOMEONE is reading this. You may say no, your just paranoid OR we’re so irrevalent we don’t matter- that is a good thing too for I wont spell that out to you – but don’t kid yourself?

      SOMEONE is always smart enough – in trying to get good tips on how to CONTROL US? (their FREAKS, REMEMBER?

      Think of some person in your life, past/present or OH NO Future,who WONT LEAVE YOU ALONE unless you do something drastic — lt’s almost like they don’t exist until they get some kind of reaction from us affirming them they do EXIST. (LOUSY EMOTIONAL DEVELOPMENT SKILLS WHILE THEY WERE GROWING UP. It may be simple HOLLOWNESS?)

      This BACKDOOR will have to be —–NOWHERE ——so they with their TITANIC-GIGANTIC RESOURCES will never find it and neither will we? ( it might work that way- pretty strange?)

      I am being too clever here —-

      the back door is called

      the ‘UNKNOWN!”

  8. Marshallgeese on January 18, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    If consciousnes is an axiom and axioms can’t be reduced. How can it be said that it isn’t a non material phenomenon capable of abilities and relationships with strange phenomena and non linear links with the underlying structure of reality that seem to be unknowable by science, only described. If this is the case how can we know that the claims of non objectively verifiable claims such as faith and direct perceptions of truth are any less valid and therefore non mystical. Would this make so called mystical claims as valid in some cases as logical statements such as: A = A or objectivist rules of concept formation.

  9. Pedro Marcos on January 18, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Heart Stream nailed it.
    A well defined concept may seem to some as a too abstract “virtue” but it isn´t.
    In this case, “alternate research” seems to sends us to an alternate reality.
    And boy, how far does it sends us!

    Good one, Stream! I believe that was a very important contribution.

    Let the hippies have all the “alternate research” for themselves!
    Independent research, research work done transparently, with known sources, with a minimum of scientific method, with clear, well defined and declared speculations. The way like that Dr. Farrell does.

  10. Gary on January 18, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    This is a great discussion. Here is my contribution. As a longtime truth seeker I know being true to myself and others must come first. Sooooo my name is Gary Brazell 59 years of age and live in Boothwyn PA. I’m a Financial Analyst by occupation.

  11. cheeze-flavored gaines burgers on January 18, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Hi, Dr. Farrell and others in the non-clown television dog and pony costume dress-up pretend show. is it possible, hypothetical now, that cern, fermilab and other particle accelerators (not smashers). that all the nazi gold and current gold ‘rothschild’ hoarding is to make mono atomic gold to control the spirit realm & the aetheric; and/ or create hell for souls…..and it does many other things, perhaps the element you use in cern affects certain absorbed minerals in the blood cell? like monarch programming to affect the programming of the soul for judgement, to intentionally influence the body to evil? -to lose to the mark? any other ideas? id like to hear em!
    have a great day! email……………………..mike.

  12. HeartStream on January 18, 2012 at 2:58 pm


    I think its time to stop calling it “Alternative.” For honesty, there really is no alternative. It should now be called “Independent” Research, which is more accurate and good in that it points out that much so-called research is not.

    • Joseph P. Farrell on January 18, 2012 at 3:05 pm

      I think that’s a great idea…!

    • paul degagne on January 18, 2012 at 4:29 pm

      I saw on U-TUBE an interview of STANISLAW GROF — that consciousness explorer/expert?

      The interviewer asked him this:

      ‘What do you think about ALTERED CONSCIOUSNESS?”

      His response was;

      He grimaced real fast and said,

      “I don’t like that word ALTERED. Altered is something one does to a DOG!”

      Then he went on…. .


      That THREW ME FOR A LOOP right at the beginning of this U-TUBE VIDEO!

      • paul degagne on January 18, 2012 at 5:10 pm

        He uses the word ‘NON-ORDINARY.’

  13. legioXIV on January 18, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    G’day everyone,

    This particular blog is truly taking on epic proportions and that is a great thing. Many people have contributed many pearls of wisdom and they are to be congratulated for having the Cajones to post their views. I always love an intelligent conversation and this is one.

    I read many different interpretations of definitions of consciousness and beliefs, which to me is exhilarating and confirms my own beliefs of what these encompass. So I feel somewhat compelled to put my head over the parapet, so to speak, and state what I believe.

    Simply put, I believe that any such definitions are of a personal and individual nature. Everyone’s definition is based on who they are and their experiences in life. I don’t believe that there can be a dogma for what is or is not consciousness. I don’t believe that there can be a dogma for what is belief/faith. It varies from person to person as the varied responses to this question below show. I don’t think that anyone can be right or wrong in this, that’s my feeling about the issue.

    I don’t believe that any one person or board of people can set, or have the right to set, definitions of such concepts for the entirety of mankind. It is an individual concept. To me it all boils down to what the individual believes and can never be correct/incorrect.

    That doesn’t mean that we all can’t share our believes and I for one thank everyone here for doing so. It has given me plenty of things to think about, helps me get through a day of repetitive work haha. So once again thanks to all for sharing.

    Regards to all,

  14. carlee on January 18, 2012 at 10:07 am

    well this blog sure got under the skin of everyone. 70 comments so far Good Job you have captured the crowds attention. Thank you Dr Farrell for all you do. You are one of the bright lights in the research field.

  15. LSM on January 18, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Hi Dr. Farrell and contributers,

    if I may add another viewpoint (just trying to be objective):

    “But there is a great deal of difference between speculation based on research, documents…”-

    not everything that exists in orthographic form (even ancient records- deception has been around since time immemorial) is the truth nor are all present verbal testimonies truths/falsehoods- we just need to keep an open mind and follow our instincts (if we have any left)-

    I can only assume the “diva” referred to is Kerry Cassidy (please correct me if I’m wrong- ooh, babies, come on- just be honest- if you have a bone to pick with the woman just NAME her- not calling a spade a spade is cowardice)- no, she’s not perfect but neither are William Henry nor Randy Maugans-

    nor is anyone else-

    so let’s take this a step farther (just trying to use logic): where is the documented, orthographic evidence that her “whistleblowers” are bogus?- there is none-

    I also don’t agree with everything this “diva” posts but we must just STOP SQUABBLING AMONGST OURSELVES and keep an open mind!-

    anyway, I just don’t think our conscious minds are capable of even beginning to understand the universe-

    food for thought?- you bet-

    best regards to all,

    Larry in Germany

    • spiritsplice on January 18, 2012 at 9:06 am

      one of the divas being spoken of is a man.

      • LSM on January 18, 2012 at 9:34 am

        would you care to divulge his identity?- I’m way past (don’t have the time nor patience) guessing games anymore- there are just so many “innuendos” out there…

        please inform

        • spiritsplice on January 18, 2012 at 10:04 am


          • LSM on January 18, 2012 at 10:54 am

            now I understand completely- many thanks


          • LSM on January 18, 2012 at 10:59 am

            and just as I replied to your last statement Dr. Farrell’s website pulled the plug on the reply button to/after my response to your latest statement

    • romanmel on January 18, 2012 at 11:25 am

      Larry, you say “…keep an open mind.” This reminds me of the lyrics to a song which went “You’re so open minded your brain leaked out.”

      There are some obvious frauds that keeping an open mind with would be counterproductive and frankly a waste of time. As with most things, balance is everything. With the latest onslaught of dis-info one would be wise to opt on the side of caution and healthy skepticism, imo.

      • LSM on January 18, 2012 at 2:25 pm

        Hi Romanmel- with all due respect to your reply (and I mean that sincerely):

        so what would be the alternative to a sometimes leaky open mind?- a constipated mind-set that blocks everything?- you left me in the dust of understanding with your reply- or maybe I’m just too stupid to understand a dichotomy of dichotomies…



    • legioXIV on January 18, 2012 at 2:10 pm

      G’day Larry,
      While I agree with what you are saying I would point out Dan Crain, aka Dan Burisch, the apparently former MJ12 scientist who supposedly worked at S4 at Area 51, that KC went on about so much. He was proven to be a hoax, turns out he was a parole officer where he met his wife, apparently another MJ12 member. Like Obama, when people questioned his university credentials, the universities in question and people there at the time were asked about him there was no records to be found and no-one had any recollection of him.
      Anyway you just have to be careful about what you choose to believe.

      • LSM on January 18, 2012 at 2:36 pm

        Hi legio,

        thanks very much for your in-put- very appreciated-

        yes, I also just recently came across info putting Burisch in a questionable light-

        “Anyway you just have to be careful about what you choose to believe.”-
        ooh, baby, who are you telling??!!

        Larry 🙂

      • legioXIV on January 18, 2012 at 2:39 pm

        Haha good one Larry,
        I think that was more to myself as opposed to anyone else, to remind myself to keep an open mind and hear what people have to say.

        • LSM on January 18, 2012 at 2:57 pm

          stay tuned 🙂

          many warmest regards,


          P.S.- I really respect your weigh-ins

        • legioXIV on January 18, 2012 at 2:59 pm

          Thank you Larry,
          I really appreciate that.
          I respect and appreciate your input as well.
          Have a great day my friend,

  16. MattB on January 17, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Dr. Farrell, press on I say. Your work challenges my theology and I say that is a good thing. I am not afraid to look into the abyss and wonder, I am grateful that you are not afraid either.

    There are some here on this site who are obviously afraid, yet they are not mature enough yet to realise it..

    Ambiguity! That is the aim.

    The doubts created about religion, science, reason, philosophy, conspiracy, it all created ambiguity.

    Ambiguity is the fog the clouds both truth and deception. Ambiguity leads to insecurity, this leads to fear and people are easier to control when they are fearful.

    We are all on the chess board regardless of who or what is moving the pieces.

    • paul degagne on January 18, 2012 at 9:26 am

      Ambiguity – the BANE of thinking people. It’s like living in a house that’s very clean until we spot a little patch of DIRT (ambiguity)

      We’re always SWEEPING away that dirt but IT KEEPS COMING BACK!

      Maybe we ought to INVENT SOME fatal-toxic PESTICIDE to finally eliminate those DAM WEEDS!


      Maybe the OTHER peace over on the other side of the CHEST-BOARD deserves a place at the table too?

      • paul degagne on January 18, 2012 at 9:46 am

        If your looking into the abyss and NOT afraid then I am almost willing to wage some money ‘THAT IT ISN’T THE ABYSS your looking at?”

        I like THEOLOGY TOO so there –We have much IN COMMON.

        (I was never much for the GAME OF CHESS (I get beat all the time) — but I do like CHECKERS! Playing LEAP-FROG is a RIOT!)

        • MattB on January 18, 2012 at 8:22 pm

          Theology and Umberto Eco in common-nice 🙂

          As for the abyss, we all have our own. When you have seen terror, well the abyss is really just a big black pool reflecting yourself. Do you keep looking, or do you drop in and see what happens.

          Ahh, metaphors…….

          • paul degagne on January 19, 2012 at 6:28 am

            Thank you MATT for you interesting comments.

            Reminded me HORROR can be just as NARCISSISTIC an attraction as BEAUTY. ( I need to reminded of stuff like that.)

            BUT (we all have big-buts, ha, ha!) — I think of the rare night-mare I get once in a while — most of the time it’s === THE BOGGIE-MAN CHASING ME. AND IS GOING TO GET ME!

            One concept is that it is a splintered part of my self wanting to return home but I lack courage – maybe? BUT — I swear IT ISN’T and NO WAY WOULD I stick around trying to admire how PRETTY-horroble it looks in the DREAM STAGE MIRROR?)

            Reflecting upon self as you stated STILL STANDS as an important principle. (how can I so put it that does justice to BOTH YOU AND ME?

            The OTHER which is OURSELVES in an OTHER.

            OURSELVES is an OTHER.


            I heard of a NATIVE AMERICAN RITUAL of CLEANSING (somewhere in MEXICO) where the tribe member confesses their sins to a CIRCLE of members and for each sin confessed they TIE A KNOT in this string each one has Afterwards when everyone is done they THROW THE STRINGS INTO THE FIRE.

            Well I am throwing the two sentences right above the previous paragraph INTO THE METAPHORICAL FIRE for good measure.

            Have a good day MATT.

            (SNOW IS ON THE WAY!)

          • MattB on January 19, 2012 at 6:08 pm

            Thanks Paul. In Australia the native people have an interesting tradition called ‘walkabout’. You keep walking until you meet yourself, have a long conversation, argument, lament, laugh etc until there is nothing more to be said. Then you walk home.

            I wish we had snow on the way. Here in Oz we haven’t really had the full strength of summer yet.

            For us, FIRE IS ON THE WAY


      • spiritsplice on January 18, 2012 at 10:11 am

        Ambiguity is not the bane of the thinker, it is the bane of those who refuse to think. Thinkers know that thete is no such thing as certainty, nor could there ever be. It is the non-thinker who insists on the illusions of security, knowing and certainty (things which do not exist).

        • paul degagne on January 18, 2012 at 3:39 pm

          I AGREE with what you just posted SpiritSplice.

          It is in our nature to DESIRE a little bit of security and comfort (certainty) once in a while? (their are such things as NECESSARY ILLUSIONS IF WE WANT TO GO ON – fibs/white lies. I think even Nietzssche stated that if the ‘white lie is in the interest of or furthers LIFE it is….as we Americans say, “OK.”)

          Helps to maintain one’s MENTAL HEALTH.

          That is, if you don’ think HEALTH IS MENTAL (like the expression — HE’S ONE MENTAL …!

          BE ABSOLUTELY HONEST WITH YOUR (sic) SELF and see how long it takes for a breakdown. (some longer than others) PROOFessor Fraud’s Repression MECHANISM is there for a reason.


          ANYWAY — as for the PRICE OF RICE IN CHINA — I don’t think it is a FORM OF Sartrian “bad conscience?”

          Do YOU?


          Better Yet —WE DREAM OF CERTAINTY fully realizing the DIFFERENCE. (LIKE YOU SUGGESTED –We try not to get caught up in DOGMA!)

          • spiritsplice on January 19, 2012 at 6:36 am

            Seeking the necessity of white lies shows just how mentally dysfunctional we are as humans and as a culture. A well developed and mature mind does not need lies to make it through the day. This is evidence of a sick mind. (yes I know this is the norm). The desire for certainty is immaturity and is caused by the fear of ego dissolution.

  17. Danirl Jones on January 17, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Citizen Quasar,
    I see that you don’t need to dig and read texts of said person or philosopher. You are already the self proclaimed expert about Dr Farrell’s thought without study. It saddens me to see a lack or even an attempt at understanding, all the while propheting arrogance without a clue as to what you are saying. What need of Plato, the world has you.

  18. HAL838 on January 17, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    My, we are all so ‘wordy’ today.
    If there was a Dickens I hadn’t read
    I would pick it up as a shorter read !

    My respects to everyone who dared join in on
    this generally controversial topic 😉

  19. Ramura on January 17, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    I hate to be a nitpick, but the proper spelling of “cahonies” is “cojones.”

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cojones (“testicles,” slang for “balls”) except in Latin countries they use the word “slam” instead of “slang,” but I digress.

    Sometimes even spell-check doesn’t help! 🙂

    I’m sure I’ll have some thoughts on the content of the article once I have read the source article and reader comments. But I just had to correct this.

    Mercury in Virgo conjunct Saturn. What can I say?

    • Joseph P. Farrell on January 17, 2012 at 9:55 pm

      Sorry but I figured it was slang so I thought I could get away with it…but citing WEBSTER to an Oxford man!?!?!? tch tch! 😉

      • MattB on January 17, 2012 at 10:10 pm


      • Larry on January 18, 2012 at 10:07 am

        tch, tch, indeed! After all, Oxford is the second-best Uni in England.

  20. lady la la on January 17, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    Dr Farrell:
    You write:
    I have nowhere discounted such experiences, merely indicated that I am skeptical of many of them. I have my own “experiences” but I never write about them nor discuss them very much, because that would be to impose them on someone else.

    I must tell you that I agree with a healthy amount of skepticism and I do understand that you do not discount or disbelieve in other worldy or “supernatural” occurrences, however, having recently read the avalanche of deliberate factual DISinformation spewing out on the internet, I am skeptical of so-called researched FACTS as well. And that includes scientific facts that are also deliberately skewed either to hide real advances or to send people down the garden path.

    So the real dilemma is not necessarily the SOURCE of our information but our own ability to discern the Truth of it. There is a difference. And my point is, I suppose that questioning EVERYTHING is our duty. What more is there? It is not a negative task but one that should be embarked on with zeal and happiness.

    One comment that I read was a statement which protected you as someone who is above reproach but that is not correct. None of us are above reproach. And all of us should be open to others questioning our ideas and to having our ideas be questioned. Again — and this is important — I do not suggest doing this in a mean-spirited way.

    In that same context, I support questioning laborious SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH and its so-called FACTUAL CONCLUSIONS with the same gusto that I would question anything else.


  21. Pedro Marcos on January 17, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    I see a boundary line being drawn separating the diligent, honest and hard working reasearchers from the hoaxers. That won´t prevent the new-ager “hippies” from following the likes of Wilcock, whose reason for success I could never fathom.

    I hope that now Dr. Farrell distances himself from the likes of Hoagland, a person that seeks credibility by association with people that actually do research, have work ethics and humbly strive for the truth.

  22. legioXIV on January 17, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    G’day Dr Farrell and everyone,

    Wow Doc, you have certainly started a storm on this one, 29 comments already. Brilliantly done because I too share the view you have on the “tailspin into endless speculations and apocalyptic scenarios”. I have seen far too much of that in the past year for my liking. Like yourself I prefer those that can back up their claims with something more tangible than faith. That said when it comes to personal experiences that some claim I can’t comment, I am not them and have not had the experience so who knows? I let my instinct to decide for me and i always ask myself: is this plausible?

    As I said I prefer those who back up their claims like Dr Farrell, also people like Jim Marrs, Peter Levenda and John Loftus instantly spring to mind as examples of this point. They are the real researchers and it is they whose work I seriously look at.

    Recently, Dr Farrell, I had started reading your work in the sequence that they were published as I have heard you recommend on some occasions and I have just started Grid of the Gods. I was going to wait until I had finished to comment on them but somehow it seems appropriate to do so now. They are truly masterful works and well researched and written, you are truly to be applauded. Your work has got me thinking about things that I had previously believed in truly different ways. For example:

    I had believed that the Philadelphia experiment was nothing more than a fairy tale, until I read your work.

    I had believed the allied legend about Nazi Atomic incompetence, until i read your work.

    I had no idea about the true extent of Nazi secret weapons research until I read your work.

    I had believed the mainstream ideas on the origins and very ancient history of mankind until I read your work.

    I had known about Nazi escaping the Reich and settling in South America (and other places) but had no idea how organized that this was and how the nazi party survived and still influences events today until I read your work.

    I had always believed that an alien craft had crashed at Roswell until I read your work.

    That’s just a few examples of how your very excellent and diligent research and writing has changed my views on many things. After being introduced to your work I now look at the world in a whole new way, I have awakened from the slumber of acceptance of the mainstream view of everything. For this I am truly thankful to you Dr Farrell. You, sir, are a true champion in my book.

    I have had an idea that I would like to run past you Dr Farrell. Concerning your white papers, perhaps it would be a good idea to collate these and publish them, via print on demand, at the end of each year. I feel many here might prefer a hard copy as I would. You could call them “The Farrell Files” or the “The Farrell Papers”.

    Or how’s this in keeping inline with your apocalypse theater?
    The F Files 2011: The Gathering Storm
    The F Files 2012: The Temple of Doom.
    The F Files 2013: What? We are still alive?

    Sorry, couldn’t resist that one, my irreverent humour again but seriously I think that perhaps you could do that and I am sure many here would purchase that for themselves. I know I would.

    Thanks again for your very fine work and I look forward to more.
    Kind Regards,

  23. Marshallgeese on January 17, 2012 at 11:43 am

    If Paul Atreides doesn’t come down from the mothership speaking Mayan on Dec21, I am going to be pissed!

    • MQ on January 17, 2012 at 5:59 pm

      Just light up some Spice and everything will be nice 🙂


      The Bene Gesserit super-being–whom they refer to as the Kwisatz Haderach–arrives a generation earlier than expected in the form of Paul Atreides, who is free from their direct control though his mother is the Bene Gesserit Lady Jessica.

  24. Daniel Jones on January 17, 2012 at 9:43 am

    I’m going to offer a bit of a challenge to the readership here, because I feel like some of Dr. Farrell’s texs are either not being read or not being carefully read and commented on. A cursorary reading of Dr. Farrell’s works bears out that the Ancient Topological Metaphor has a privileged place in his thinking. Let me state this pointedly and offer it up for discussion since the issue of god, faith, and belief is obviously on folks’ consciousness here:

    A) When Plotinus discusses the issue of the One, what is this based on? Faith? Belief? Appeals to Authority qua Athority? Channeled Revelations? Etc. What exactly grounds his thinking here?


    B) Why does Iamblichus characterize his philosophy and theology as both mystical, mathematical, and cosmological?

    • Joseph P. Farrell on January 17, 2012 at 10:24 am

      Thanks Daniel…you get it! As we lay out in the Yahweh book, that ancient metaphor is capable both of atheistic and theistic interpretations, and both are necessary if one is to fully appreciate its depth.

    • HAL838 on January 17, 2012 at 10:37 am

      ‘Uni’ means one and ‘verse’ is usually
      a written/script story in any format chosen.

      But “uni” is one as in all there is.

      Faith is open to personal interpretation,
      usually meant to fill in what is lacking in
      fact, which also takes into account
      Joseph’s extrapolations from his
      reasearch as he reasons/thinks it through.

      Some have blind faith [not good].
      Faith based on fact and reason has
      TWO sturdy foundations.

      That is good, but not infallable.
      Neither, for that matter, am I !
      Or any “source” I may check out.

      • Daniel Jones on January 17, 2012 at 11:17 am

        Interesting, it seems that you have two definitions of faith that you have articulated.

        When you state that “[faith is] usually meant to fill in what is lacking in
        fact,” I take it you mean to imply the sense of “faith” as theorizing or theoria. Since facts do not adjudicate data nor interpret themselves, they are taken and plugged into a certain cosmological grid (if thought in broad terms) to form a coherent thought: theorizing. This kind of “faith” is somewhat inescapable, since we all want to trust that we are attempting ‘to think’ clearly and correctly, and if shown adequately or plausibly we may modify our thinking and therefore modify faith if we have a world-view that is open to philosophical correction.

        The other kind of ‘faith’ that is more commonly known when the term is used is a faith in a ‘person’ or a certain religious system that this person represents: “the obedience of faith.” It is confirmed by a textual tradition understood to be infallible, personal experience, and a community of like minded inviduals.

        So back to Plotinus, which version of ‘faith’ does he have, and is he philosophically justified in his understanding of the One? What tools does he use at his disposal?

        • HAL838 on January 17, 2012 at 12:29 pm

          There are 7 BILLION interpretations, perceptions,
          opinions, assumptions, etc. etc. on
          EVERYTHING; including the meaning of every
          single word in EVERY language that can be used
          to describe said above.

          [Joseph has done translations and well he knows
          that it is not a matter of changing one word into another,
          so that even ONE SINGLE word can be debated
          over much time.]

          Any debate on this or any other issue concerning
          such interpretation, extrapolation, thoughts and
          even whether any so-called FACTS are indeed

          [Many such are taken as facts, even,
          and yet change all the time.]

          let’s not forget life experience!

          My point?

          We can go back and forth on this,
          mincing words, thought, reason(s)
          faith, fact, perception, implication and inference
          [again] etc. etc. until the cows fly to
          Capistrano and the Swallows give milk.

          I, for one, am not here for anyone’s intellectual
          Catch me thirty years ago! If you can……….

          • Daniel Jones on January 17, 2012 at 1:40 pm

            Okay. I’m not really following that. Can you help me out here? If you aren’t responding to me to put something ‘there for thought,’ then what is the purpose of stating anything at all?

            The purpose of my comment was to imbue and stimulate intellectual thought, so I guess I’m at a total loss of why you responded to it.

          • HAL838 on January 17, 2012 at 6:40 pm

            I responded to explain why I wasn’t responding.

            You don’t follow?
            Is that because it is your place to lead?
            No problem.
            Lead on…………….

    • MattB on January 17, 2012 at 10:09 pm

      Very true Daniel. There seems to be a few who don’t get the concept ‘selah’. Read the books carefully, follow the footnotes and read the books in the bibliography, listen to the podcasts.

      Please people do this BEFORE you engage your ego.

  25. SSNaga on January 17, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Lol. Few will know spontaneous cosmic consciousness isn’t a spiritual/religious, or even a “god,” experience– it’s quite a reality; Height of perception. If you want hoodoo, there’s plenty. If you want practicality, it is extant: Walter Russell, Tesla, &c. Mr. Farrell may have discounted this “possibility” also. These kinds of “experience” are well known to the Elite, and especially made targets of real suppression (oppression). I, too, received direct knowledge from such spontaneous Source (no known inception, neither techniques, aids or ‘”substances”), which, even with the possibility of a proferred unlimited funding, has no place in the hands of a humanity subject to the endless joys of warfare. A hysterical state in a field (“community”) of individuals with some valid, practical knowledge, encountering unremitting “dead-ends” to their efforts, is accumulative, such as may lead to the delusional. This is a “known” to the suppressors: devolution of hope. Most just want to “talk” to be heard, & “debate” as alternative to cooperation, in such a state, as has become obvious (finally). W. Russell’s contributions, while wrapped with a “spiritual/religious” stigma, are valid, incepted from said states of cc, which encompass the Ulimited (as I may testify). I would mention the efforts of Toby Grotz & associated, yet this is certain to send our OP into paroxysms of protest, as Yahweh is Not taboo to those researchers (but all that glitters is not gold). Finding suitable authenticity of counter-play to the given state as developed by the Elite, is unlikely, at best. It’s “been this way” for… “awhile.” Everything accessible in the public domain is under dominance of these groups. Nature will have to stir things up, first, to enable a retilling of these (given) crystallized conditions. Few know this, which keeps hope alive in the hearts of the hope-lessly enslaved. Those doing well have an ideology that does not include “the other half.” This is the ever-potential field of strife: tension becomes friction, which becomes conflict, “almost” invariably. A few exhibit sure signs of “madness” during the process.

    • Joseph P. Farrell on January 17, 2012 at 10:26 am

      I have nowhere discounted such experiences, merely indicated that I am skeptical of many of them. I have my own “experiences” but I never write about them nor discuss them very much, because that would be to impose them on someone else.

      • HAL838 on January 17, 2012 at 1:20 pm

        If these “experiences” only touch the very personal,
        I agree.

        If, however, a lesson or anything learned by such
        that may be of benefit to more than just you,
        should be shared for the ‘others’ benefit.

        A general statement you may have heard before:
        What good is learning, wisdom and understanding,
        if it is not shared?

        The utter specialization of so many subsubjects
        [pick a field of study]
        has actually hampered knowledge and growth.

        Destiny(?) kept me from what I thought I wanted,
        so now I’m a jack-of-all (so-to-speak)
        and master of none.

        no blinders………………
        and I am very grateful for that.

        • HAL838 on January 17, 2012 at 1:23 pm

          I don’t mean to imply that you haven’t shared !
          That would be absurd.
          I am very grateful and pleased that you
          do [share] Dr Farrell !

  26. paul degagne on January 17, 2012 at 8:44 am

    i share similar sentiments. I like fantasy but I also like counter-arguments as well. (what I think is bad about it is the BUM STEER or disinformation part. Not all of us are that trusting or CRITICAL? I guess it’s not a complete waste of time for JUNK DOES MAKE OUR EYES MORE SHARP for future junk. Sometimes it makes us OVERLOOK a real gem in THE RAW as Strauss the anthropologist would put it.

    I like what FEYERABEND suggests in his AGAINST METHOD and his autobiography – KILLING TIME. Now if he’s the greatest enemy of science then I don’t know who Science’s FRIENDS ARE? (i guess he takes that accusation as a BADGE OF HONOR, ha, ha!)

    This article reminds me of GEORGE P. HANSEN’S book ‘THE TRICKSTER AND THE PARANORMAL.” (already I see some feedback here but that’s not what Farrell is saying in this article -read the book?) Although it came out in 2001 it is similar to what De Hart stated in his post on the NANO-EAR and an argument put forth 20 years ago coming back to POKE US AWAKE!


    I really hope it doesn’t come to that?

    Although i am outwardly a DOG-MAN CYNIC secretly deep down inside I take occasional DRINKS of a half-empty glass. Like LEO BUSCARI the former HUG psychologist who constantly spoke of the CHILD who goes through a room of shit and COMES UP WITH A ROSE HAPPY AS A LARK!

    Well, I AM like you -not smiling all the time. NOT HAPPY WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE but I do like the way things might BECOME with enough brains, imagination, creativity and good old fashion ELBOW GREASE!

    Have a good day and LAY OFF THE GREEN WAFERS!

    • paul degagne on January 17, 2012 at 10:24 am


      It wasn’t George Taft — it was E. .G. Roberson who played that bit in Solvent Green.

      I guess because both are of the same era and both played gangsters with cigars – I experienced a simple memory rearrangement IN doublespeak. I aint got Alzima’s yet, Ha, ha!

      (if I read any more “misleading jazz” out-there that passes itself off as AUTHENTIC then I will probably wish I had ALZIMA’S!

  27. romanmel on January 17, 2012 at 8:36 am

    Wow, what a timely and important article!

    I can find nothing but praise for the information and warning associated with this article quoted by you, Dr Farrell.

    This is the bottom line, imo…We live in a time of DECEPTION. The scriptures warn, “But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.” 2 Timothy 3:13 In a time of deception a prudent person should exercise elevated DISCERNMENT.

    We, who follow an alternative science and news path must be extra careful. Many of us are accustomed to “sifting the chaff from the wheat” in order to arrive at what can, at least tenatively, be called truth. If possible, we must redouble our efforts for the sake of our loved ones, who depend on us, to see to it that the information we are using is not tainted.

    These indeed are trying times…”Beloved, believe not every spirit, but test the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1

    • HAL838 on January 17, 2012 at 8:52 am

      Can you reason this out without quoting
      “religious” scripture?
      I think that is the point, one of,
      that Joseph was trying to make.

      • romanmel on January 17, 2012 at 9:44 am

        Are you joking?

        Ancient texts include the Bible, my friend. Your prejudice against the message vehicle may cloud your discernment to your own demise. I make no apologies for “quoting religious scripture” when the message is pertinent to the subject at hand.

        • HAL838 on January 17, 2012 at 7:17 pm

          I’m familiar with scripture of many faiths.

          I studied the Bible for a time.
          Many lessons are well to learn from.
          The metaphor of Genesis and creation
          is a wonderful lesson.

          I find that few understand the story of
          the Tree of Life and the Tree of Good
          and Evil.
          There is a very big message in that.
          HUGE !

          Is the history it purports to be factual,
          indeed factual?
          My own research says the ‘history’ is
          very mixed and that leaves it wide open
          for much misunderstanding to the point where
          I wonder if it wasn’t written up as it is for that
          very reason.

          I was not being critical of your reasoning or faith,
          as the case may be.
          I simply wondered if you could make the same point without it.

          There should be a historic figure for the
          New Testament, although each of the four
          gospels chosen for placement contradict each other,
          and in some places, even itself.

          Of course, it was Saul/Paul who really started the
          Christian Church with a pretty big shove.
          He never knew Jesus.
          So I wonder about that, too.

          In my own reasearch, I have come across some very
          interesting things ro ponder on this subject.
          I continue to learn.

          • romanmel on January 17, 2012 at 8:26 pm

            I share your wonderment over Saul/Paul. He seems to me to be an administrator and enforcer of rules of order moreso than an apostle, imo.

            I have evolved my views of the Bible but still find it rich in knowledge of mankind and believe it to contain devine truth. Of course, I can quote other sources, and do I find the scriptures often are the most succinct expressions of thought on a particular topic and I enjoy the poetic delivery strictly as an aesthetic dalliance.

  28. James on January 17, 2012 at 8:08 am

    I’d like to know your stance on thought experiments as well.

    Does information have to come from a real person in order to make it valid? I understand the importance of keeping a grip on reality when dealing in any situation, but to say useful information only comes from the words or actions of people, or to say their words and actions are the only thing worth analyzing, is being just as ignorant as saying the same thing the other way around.

    This is the sticky of the issue, beliefs are a very personal thing. Whenever they are put in doubt, no matter the evidence, that person automatically goes on the defensive. Ultimately what this comes down to is an argument that gets nobody anywhere. I think it a bit unfair to completely dismiss a bit of research/information because it’s premise was steeped in channeling or “whistle-blowing”

    There has to be a better way of discerning truth from something beyond just the source (I would call this wisdom, or is that not correct?). For that matter, Dr. Farrell we are all taking your sources on faith, and trusting them for the most part, mostly due to your research and previous works, and your vast knowledge of the subject matters. That certainly makes your ideas go down easier. I just feel it is important to keep an open mind about everything, no matter the source.

    • James on January 17, 2012 at 4:23 pm

      For what it’s worth I’ve never questioned any of the information I’ve read in Dr. Farrell’s books. This is mainly because there is a sense, a resonance with the information he puts forth, in me. Much of my previous readings (research?) has been about Tesla, who he was and what he accomplished and mostly, the implications of his discoveries.

      The various works in regards to Tesla then brought me to Dr. Farrell’s books, and then this site. All along the way, and now that I think back on it, my entire life, I’ve been practicing discernment, and obtaining as much wisdom as I can as my intellectual facilities aren’t the greatest (can’t you tell?) I’ve railed against my parents for I saw through their controlling mechanism’s early and often.

      This carried on until today, in which I still question everything. Except, I find myself wanting to read more of what Dr. Farrell writes about and comments about because I know that what I’ve been searching for, the answers, or at least the correct questions to ask, I’ve found in Dr. Farrell’s works. It is because he is devoted to the best kind of research and utilizing or ferreting out the good and bad sources.

      I actually wish more people were capable of what Dr. Farrell does if only to have a louder, stronger voice amongst all the mouth breathers, let alone those in power. The worst part of all of this is that the majority of the people out there, even if they were interested in these subjects, don’t have the mental capacity to completely understand the implications, or even follow the path that Dr. Farrell lays forth in his works.

      I have a new favorite quote I’ve stumbled across the other day, I’m not sure if it applies here to this blog entry and the article it comments on but it goes like this:
      “It is better to light one small candle, then to curse the darkness.”

    • James on January 17, 2012 at 4:25 pm

      For what it’s worth I’ve never questioned any of the information I’ve read in Dr. Farrell’s books. This is mainly because there is a sense, a resonance with the information he puts forth, in me. Much of my previous readings (research?) has been about Tesla, who he was and what he accomplished and mostly, the implications of his discoveries.

      The various works in regards to Tesla then brought me to Dr. Farrell’s books, and then this site. All along the way, and now that I think back on it, my entire life, I’ve been practicing discernment, and obtaining as much wisdom as I can as my intellectual facilities aren’t the greatest (can’t you tell?) I’ve railed against my parents for I saw through their controlling mechanism’s early and often.

      This carried on until today, in which I still question everything. Except, I find myself wanting to read more of what Dr. Farrell writes about and comments about because I know that what I’ve been searching for, the answers, or at least the correct questions to ask, I’ve found in Dr. Farrell’s works. It is because he is devoted to the best kind of research and utilizing or ferreting out the good and bad sources.

      I actually wish more people were capable of what Dr. Farrell does if only to have a louder, stronger voice amongst all the mouth breathers, let alone those in power. The worst part of all of this is that the majority of the people out there, even if they were interested in these subjects, don’t have the mental capacity to completely understand the implications, or even follow the path that Dr. Farrell lays forth in his works.

      I have a new favorite quote I’ve stumbled across the other day, I’m not sure if it applies here to this blog entry and the article it comments on but it goes like this:
      “It is better to light one small candle, then to curse the darkness.”

      my interpretation; do something good, no matter what it is, instead of complaining about all the bad.

  29. lady la la on January 17, 2012 at 7:48 am

    I agree with much of what you have stated…
    However … many supernatural sources ARE real and DO provoke questions and invite out-of-the-box contemplation about a seemingly immutable dilemma. It can open an entirely different perspective. Some channelings are even spot-on in their predictions.

    Dr Farrell, you write:.
    The bottom line, for me, is this, and I have said it often before: “research” based upon whistleblowers, channeling, science fiction novels or Hollywood movies, dubious “word analysis”, and all the other claptrap that one so often hears, is not research.

    My question is:
    Why is channeling any less valid than one’s “factless” belief in God?

    I can raise other questions, but for now… I will keep it simple.

    • HAL838 on January 17, 2012 at 7:56 am

      Yes. I am real.
      I have even been ‘actualized’
      as real.
      What did you think I was talking about?
      The plan ‘I” worked out in utero(?)

    • HAL838 on January 17, 2012 at 8:02 am

      Most channeling is not prediction so much as prognostication.

      I was used vaguely for that ONCE;
      when a parent was being torn apart by the questionable
      death of his 20 year old child with a learning disability.

      He shared some of his dreams that further confused him.
      I interpreted them for him with the child’s (?) help.

      Two ‘peope’ ‘walked’ into that room.
      Only one left through the door.

      • HAL838 on January 17, 2012 at 8:08 am

        You have the complete freedom to believe what you will.
        Your beliefs, however, matter the most only to you.

        I know my own life as it played out.
        I offer that as you may or may not accept.
        I have not offered you anything to ‘believe’ in.
        I do not intend to take away YOUR beliefs and understandings.
        I am NOT proselitizing.
        And I certainly have NO say in such things.

  30. HAL838 on January 17, 2012 at 7:22 am

    I am not a science fiction novel and I have
    nothing to do with any man-made ‘religious’ [agenda]
    but I have found myself right smack dab in the middle of it ‘all’
    simply by acquiring [forbidden?] knowledge and how
    I seem to acquire some (not all) of it; simply the envy of some who
    think of this as ‘power’ which I do not, at least not in the way that
    those that run the world would use it.

    [The result of some of this is that I have hardly ever used
    the word “power” and have had a life-long hatred of the
    very word and its usual use and connotation.]

    I am also not “anonymous’ as my groups know me
    and anyone can look me up.
    All the WRONG people know everything about me,
    so who is there to hide from (?)

    After my ‘tests,’ THEY just didn’t ‘recruit’ me fast enough
    and the following year I was ‘given’ the opportunity to
    choose my own side, the right one, of course.

    I consider myself a ‘trouble shooter’ and not
    so much a ‘whistle blower.’
    ‘Whistleblower’ would not work for me anyway.
    I network information that go through as having merit,
    adding only short comments on what I know
    of the info I am moving along.

    There is really so much garbage out there that much gets
    deleted or dumped into my “Garbage” group.
    Channeled information is pretty much garbage and is
    dumped to one or the other (deleted.)

    The very short stories of science fiction that I have written
    were focused on the future and came about much
    to the chagrin of Isaac Asimov fans and their Robots.
    I wrote about computers and the varying speed of
    light travel (slowing, not speeding) and experiments or technology
    have proved these out.

    ‘Trouble Shooter’ is more appropriate because I have found myself
    able to interfere with some crucial events
    through (the history) of my own life.

    While the mundane of my life is out there and available,
    the above is highly classified as are, I suppose,
    the many attempts on my life.
    It has been a very sad endeavor and there have been
    times when I wished them success, but it just
    doesn’t happen.
    In fact, my body does some to do rather strange things
    at times, to keep me alive.

    THOSE are not comfortable, either.

    THEY would have taken my last child, but not [allowed {?} ]
    to do that, either. ThEY took the two older ones.

    People I don’t know have died because of me.
    People I don’t know have lived because of me;
    much more the latter !

    If I manage to get this through, I will consider it a small miracle
    as I am generally NOTallowed to speak of myself to this depth.

  31. Meritt Conley on January 17, 2012 at 6:57 am

    Hope as we may for 2012 to produce sanity, I doubt we’ll see anything more than an increase in spiral-eyed lunacy until 2013 and , even then, a period of disillusionment by those who actually invest their mental capital in these subjects after their “team” loses the home game and nothing spectacular occurs. As for word games and associations, there is something of a creed among those who practice occult ritual and policy in the naming of things and the language used in their horrid “art” that, to them, is meant to convey some legal notice to the intended victims. This doesn’t always have to be in the common language of the country. My suspicions were raised about the association of Neel Kashkari and his role in the banker bailout accomplishing the same function that his “dragon stone” namesake, the kashkar, filled in ancient Persian myth. But it can be attributed to nothing more than conjecture and coincidence, and is by no means a basis for honest study; simply an unusual tendency I’ve noticed from time to time as a product of ritual or synchronicity, or perhaps just a coincidence. But certainly nothing I would base an entire theory on or expound as the raison de ‘etre of my “gottcha” moment. I suppose, given our limited time and perception, some people just feel the need to jump in feet first without looking.

    • Meritt Conley on January 17, 2012 at 7:24 am

      As for the Alex Jones comments in the article, and some that you’ve made, Dr. Farrell, I feel that it’s important to consider the panoptic veiw of the situation humanity finds itself in, if it ever will at all. Alex Jones and others like him provide a counter-balance to the outrageous show of the globalists. In the same way one doesn’t truly appreciate warmth until one has been extremely cold, some folks just don’t get the ridiculous nature of the perception box they’ve been placed in until they encounter such a radical departure and worldview that the Jones show provides. He’s like the announcer at the colloseum. All the lions and tigers and bear (yes, you can say it) that the seshemet kings place before anyone who would oppose them are lined up to put on a great show and make examples of those who would dare stand against them. I feel that it is important for some of us who have seen beyond that show to stand on the front lines, if for no other reason than to tap the new people on the shoulder and let them know that the front doors are wide open. They don’t have to play that game and can leave whenever they want. Just as a rat in a maze can turn corners and decide to go left or right at an intersection, all the while thinking it has a choice, might think it’s free, we must also realize that we, who may see more of the picture, are still in some sort of maze. The size of the maze depends largely on how far we can push our perceptions, while remaining true to our discernment. That is where I think many of these wild conjectures stem from.

  32. Charles Frith on January 17, 2012 at 6:54 am

    Two lines that broke the banal glumness today and made me laugh:

    1. taking high dives off the cliffs into belly-flopping hysteria

    2. One cannot footnote a whistleblower, a channeled source

    • paul degagne on January 18, 2012 at 6:40 am


      Your a very funny guy Charles FRITH!

      Ever thought of applying for a STEVE MARTIN stand-in JOB!. You know on days when he cant come to the phone right now because he’s drunk in the bath-tub! ha, ha!)

      You might not get this wit for I understand you cant read CAPITALS?

      Leaps off of CLIFFS! ( I like that very much! )

      Why is it when two sad-hopeless LOVERS are standing at Lovers’ Leap there is always is one that says, “YOU FIRST!”

      The TRUTH in ALTERNATE THEORIES FIELD is like a lover/spouse with lots of money?

      One nudges it a bit, ha, ha!

  33. Don B on January 17, 2012 at 6:30 am

    Great piece!! Dr Farrell. See, there are some other sane people in the alternative field.


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