Normally I do not comment on videos, but this one was sent to me by Mr. V.T., and since many of you have written to me privately to ask me what I think of crop circles, I couldn't resist commenting on this one. It's in Spanish, but there are English subtitles, and it's only about ten minutes long:

Now it strikes me as extremely odd that "ET" would seek to communicate by such a bizarre method, especially if his message is that he(that is, ET), is actually one of the Annunaki-Mesopotamian gods, in this case Ea-Enki, returning... While I won't go into details here on why I think this, I do not believe crop circles are hoaxes, but neither do I believe them to be of any supernatural, or extraterrestrial, nature or origin.  I think they are products of a technology, a human one.

Now, that said, I want to stress that I am accepting the analysis presented in the video for the sake of argument. Not having seen the argumentation behind the analysis in the video, I have no idea if what it asserts is true or not, but again, for the sake of argument, I assume it to be so.  That leads me to ask this question: Assuming (1) the analysis here to be true, and (2) assuming that the circles are the product of a human technology, why would anyone be going to such lengths to encode a bit of the Mesopotamian pantheon in the form of Ea-Enki, who, as the video correctly points out, is credited with creating the human race by mixing a pre-existent hominid with the "annunaki" gods? Other crop circles have similarly embodied mathematical messages, including Mandelbrot fractals, and in the famous Barbury circle case, a proposition of Euclidean geometry not hitherto known, and as well, a kind of "hyper-dimensional squishing" into two dimensions of a 4-d polytopes. So in a certain sense, that mathematical messages should be encoded in these two circles is not surprising, and seems to conform to a pattern.

My hypothesis - and again, I am simply stating, not arguing, here - is that these circles represent not only products, but tests of a human technology, and that, as is often the case, this technology is being coupled with a psychological warfare or social engineering operation to implant, or reinforce, the ET-Annunaki meme of humanity being engineered. To what purpose? To direct attention away from inquiry into what sort of technology produced the circles, but also, I suspect, to reinforce, in a very subtle fashion, that human beings are someone else's property. The elites, in short, are playing with their toys, to reinforce the meme.

See you on the flip side.

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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. amrta on March 30, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    Well, I think it is ludicrous to think that the elite is responsible for the crop circles and is using them as a “meme” for testing purposes; or to lord over their mastery to the rest of us. The major media organs of the world have bent over backwards to make sure that the public stays largely unaware of the phenomenon. An entire generation of children were frightened by the movie, “Signs.”

    Also ludicrous is the proposal, commonly put forth, that the crop circles represent the efforts of an advanced civilization to communicate with us or “send us a message.” If they are that intelligent, and they are, they would have sense to communicate directly and unambiguously.

    That advanced technology is involved there can be no doubt. The plants that go into making a formation are changed intracellularly, genetically, in a very interesting way. They actually grow better the following year; that is why the pattern of a crop circle can be seen in a field for a few years.

    My theory is this. That the intelligences behind this phenomenon do not diddle in the fields for no reason. Great intelligence and technology are usually associated with great purpose. What purpose? I propose that the circles are actually effecting our earth in some way. Like an acupuncture needle going into a crucial point in the body can effect electrical changes in the entire organism. Here the acupuncture point is South England, long considered to be geomanticly a crucial location, and the home of Stonehenge. The needle is the crop circle itself, the geometrical configuration of the circle being like a seed crystal and acting radionically on the living body of the Earth.

    The elite is actually freaked out by this because they are not in control. The best they can do is commandeer the various crop-circle discussion forums to create more fear by interpreting every circle as some dire prophecy about impending calamity.

  2. James on March 30, 2012 at 3:37 am

    Just one thing bothers me about this, if these crop circles are being used as a kind of social engineering propaganda tool, and created with some undisclosed technology, then who or what is responsible for all the other crop circles that have appeared through out history? Presumably before such an advanced technology existed?

    I think I can believe that some of them maybe created by human hand to add disinformation or confusion to the mesage that another off world intelligence maybe trying to communicate, and so to gain the upper hand or to contain the situation.

    I personally am still prepared to believe that they are created by an intelligence from off world or elsewhere.

  3. Johnycomelately on March 29, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    Perhaps our owners are already here and are simply preparing the plantation before they make a claim? Anyone care for working naked in a mine ala Babylons Banksters?

  4. sjsmith on March 29, 2012 at 4:58 am

    Hit the bull’s eye again Dr. Farrell.

  5. paul degagne on March 29, 2012 at 4:36 am

    All this House of the Golden Dawn CROWLEY SIMULATED highfalloting BULLSHIT and unimpressive delusional, I am the One conjuring which is really scrapping the bottom of language’s linguistical, lingo Barrel and if you don’t take MY LOGO/LOCO word for it you will be ass-facing the point of a Canon barrel in front of your your two remaining teeth so heed my hidiest-ness for forever and ever bless me — Nagaland COMMUNE-union case history/

    See I can talk just like you!

    But I prefer not too?

    By the way —– What is a Civil Society or a Civil Forum?

  6. MattB on March 29, 2012 at 12:43 am

    A thread as strange as the topic….

    Well done for staying gentlemanly Daniel.

    • Danirl Jones on March 29, 2012 at 4:41 am

      Thanks Mattb. I try to be cordial, not the best at times perhaps, but it’s nice to have friends here like you and legio to actually discuss something productive. However, I’m afraid that my dialogue here devolved into something not productive.

  7. Jeff S. on March 28, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    This is somewhat confusing Dr. Farrell. Dont you contend that man was indeed engineered into being and even argue the legal ramifications if they come back in books like Genes Giants Monster and Men?

    • Daniel Jones on March 29, 2012 at 7:24 am

      Hi Jeff,
      I think the rationale by Dr. Farrell is that–ex hypothesi–if given our current ‘laws’ on intellectual property and if man is engineered, than it’s possible to view man as property. And please note that Dr. Farrell, as well as myself, thinks that ALL creation is–IN a certain sense–“engineered,” given his formal argumentation in Appx to Ch.9 in the Giza Death Start Destroyed. I put ‘engineered’ in quotes because one can garner both an a-theistic interpretation or a theistic interpretation from the Topological Metaphor (e.g. the Plotinian One, the Puruṣa in the Vedas, or the Tao in the Chinese), and in some sense both are necessary to fully understand it (which is another way of saying that ‘Nothing’ or ‘Beyond Being’ is beyond both the dialectic of a-theism and theism). I digress..

      I think what Dr. Farrell is asking the reader are two profound things: 1) Does it follow, given that we are engineered, that we would be considered property given the ‘intellectual property’ laws? I think he doesn’t quibble too much about the first, but instead he takes (1) for the sake of argument that that law will be defended (by somebody). He prompts the reader to ask the second question: 2) Is that ‘law’ moral?

      • Joseph P. Farrell on March 29, 2012 at 10:41 am

        Aptly stated Daniel!

      • Jeff S. on March 29, 2012 at 12:12 pm

        Thanks for the comment. But i guess what i am really asking here is, who are these “genetic cousins” that Dr. Farrell mentions in the last line of the book, “the bad news is, they might be coming back”.

        Dr. Farrell please feel free to reply, i love your books but this is one thing that has been troubling me lately.

        • Jeff S. on March 29, 2012 at 12:32 pm

          Also, one of the underlying approaches used by Dr. Farrell is to take ancient texts seriously. So if these genetic cousins engineered man from an existing species, then can we assume we are not talking about a metaphor for God? Did the genetic cousins originate on Earth or on one of the planets involved in this “Cosmic War” ? Did they spread throughout the Solar system ‘after’ reaching a certain level of sophistication?

        • Daniel Jones on March 30, 2012 at 7:54 am

          Hi again, since I believe Dr. Farrell is busy, I’ll take a stab at your question if you don’t mind. You’re right that he takes the texts seriously. He certainly does not take it “seriously” if this means hard scientific evidence that these events happened in the way they are usually depicted by the religious communities that interpret those texts. Like other scholars, he also thinks the texts are garbled and also ‘religified.’ His project is to see if we can tease out any kind of coherent thought from them that could be rationalized with certain trends in modern science.

          As far as ‘who’ these people are, the ‘genetic cousins’, well that’s extremely difficult to pin down, if they even ‘exist’ at all. I think Dr. Farrell is oriented toward a terrestial approach for ‘genetic cousins.’ There’s lots of possibilities here: from breakaway civilizations, to sons of god and daughters of men being terrestrial ‘classes,’ to something wider in a local genus, and to even being a local solar system community.

          Breakaway civilizations and a local solar system community would obviously be the most speculative. While the recontexualization of a breakaway civilization in the context of the ancient myth is a highly speculative one, wehave one now in a certain sense with black budgets and projects. This “civilization” may not be anything more than terrestrial, but any creation of such projects logically entails a break away civilization, even if this is only in ’embryonic’ form.

          Does it have any traction? Who knows, time will tell. I certainly have my doubts (and even doubts about those doubts). Anytime you deal with analysis of such things, one can only ‘speculate’ about it. One just needs to be honest about what they are doing and document their case carefully. I think Dr. Farrell attempts to do this. Has he risen to the level of Platonic διάνοιας in his analysis of *this* topic? Far from it, nor would he make that claim for himself! But his approach is a massive difference in comparison to self-promoting apologists out there portending to give “biblical facts” as [prentending] answers to man’s deepest questions. The concept of “special revelation” elevated a kind of cognition to a status it never deserved, and by dint of that, created cognitive dissonance for those who defend such texts *as* special revelation. Imagine if someone today regarded Homer’s Illiad as ‘special revelation’ that only Homer received from the gods and defended it as such with a [pseudo-]’historical critical’ analysis. Another digression, but hopefully I’ve helped to answer your question…

          • Jeff S. on March 30, 2012 at 8:19 am

            Again, thanks for the comment. I completely understand the speculative nature of Dr. Farrell’s work from the Phase Conjugate Howitzer of Giza to the mysterious Die Glocke of Nazi Germany. I guess i thought maybe i had missed this answer in one of his books since i have read so many of them lately. I thought maybe this question was addressed and i just missed it or overlooked it.

            Thanks for the comment Daniel.

  8. marcos anthony toledo on March 28, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    Look up the series Ancient Discoveries that also was on the History Channels. I wish they would bring that show back into production again. When a high tech society collapses not everything is lost but put into cold storage so to speak. Lots of techology has like Farrell has written in his many books has always been surpressed down the ages only to be resurrected when it serve the elites purposes so one only knows what they have under raps ready to be spurg up as new at a momments notice.

  9. ruth on March 28, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    i have always thought they are man mad by high frequency waves , probably some gov. and like you say joseph to deflect away from what “they” might be up to and throw “us” of the true purpose, and when i say man made i DONT mean with a plank etc, its like when you put sand on a piece of tin etc and then run a violin bow down the edge and bingo there is a pattern.

  10. Mike bike on March 28, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Also Jedi and darrell should get perhaps together.
    Were all ‘worshipping’ the beast system. Perhaps it records deaths (CERN/ fermilab, dummy). And for playback at a later date in a cloned matrix scenario in a machine apocalyso. Horrible thought to imagine no messiah huh?

  11. Mike bike on March 28, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    Hi Joseph. Isnt it obvious CERN (the beast abha torus) does this with genetically altered seeds from Monsanto? Check and see which crop circles (if any) were formed in ‘organic’ or non- gmo monsanto farms. Perhaps the seeds are altered to absorb more of the aircrap from chemtrails than normal beautiful originally creation seeds? Thx.

  12. HearStreams on March 28, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    Here’s another thought…. Let’s say that both propositions are true, just for argument sake. Let’s say for a second that they are some Off World Group (notice that I didn’t say E.T.). And let’s say that they are not so pleased with the Elite, which they gave management of the Earth to a long while ago.

    Under that scenario, perhaps they are putting pressure on the Elite by reminding them of their “job” and what a lousy one they’ve done.

    If the ancient texts are true… and it’s a presumptiion that took me years to accept and now I do, then its vitally plausible that some off world group would come again.

    As to ownership, I guess that what it means when they Jesus is the savior. Because without the Everlasting Covanant, we got debts to pay! I’d rather take out a mortgage with Jesus Savings and Loan!

  13. underdawg on March 28, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    So lets just say for a moment this is from ET’s, They are communicating to us using binary code though crop circles. But this seems to be a one sided conversation though just them talking to us. Why wouldn’t we do our own crop circle right next to one the made, use binary as well and send them a message with a response request. Oh maybe something like ” stop wrecking my field ” just kidding but maybe something to gather a response. And if our request is designed strategic enough maybe we would be able draw out who these farm yard artists are.

    Just a thought.

  14. Robert Barricklow on March 28, 2012 at 8:45 am

    I agree with Dr. Farrel.
    For me this is: ‘method’ – a purposely hidden technology of man/testing on public, and the ‘purpose’ of crop circles – to meme an E.T. presence/testing on public.
    Remember, I subscribe to the:
    Public, Enemy #1, as being the elite’s agenda. Hense, the rush to privatize everthing, including the nailed down floors/even the oxygen we breath(you do have a current breathing certificate, don’t you?)

  15. Jedi on March 28, 2012 at 6:55 am

    E=MC2 was published years before Albert the liar took credit for it.

    Working in a patent office does have its privileges for the corrupted ones.

    • Robert Barricklow on March 28, 2012 at 8:33 am

      Glad to see this thought process. Always questioning assumptions. I’ve thought the same. his wife was a superb mathmaticians in her own right. For me, anytime a card rises to the top of the deck(Ambitious Card), there is method; either by hook or crook, or by ‘deep deception’.

      • Jedi on March 28, 2012 at 9:09 am

        Thanks however researchers have published volumes of evidence on Alberts fraudulent activities, his sexual deviancy, as well as sub par intellect….not to mention his stunts of seeking publicity.
        An out and out fraud and as phony as a dollar bill.

        • Robert Barricklow on March 28, 2012 at 11:58 am

          Why am I not so shocked!

          Reminds me of the scene in Casblanca where the official exclaims, “I’am Shocked!” as he takes his gambling winnings from the croupier and sticks in in his pockets, “that there is gambling going on in …”

          Criminality is endemic throughout ‘the system’.

          • Jedi on March 28, 2012 at 2:35 pm

            Heres looking at you kid.

            Check the date the movie came out, and the reference to Nazis concentration camps.

          • Jay on March 28, 2012 at 5:13 pm


            Sorry, but Nazi concentration camps existed in th 1930s, next time do some checking before you assume you’ve caught some grand error or conspiracy.

            The movie Casablanca makes no claims about death camps.

          • Jedi on March 28, 2012 at 5:30 pm

            So did Canadian concentration camps during the banker made, govt approved depression, as well as American concentration camps. Seems a whole work will set you….well what the hell, when in hell are the oligarch gonna do with a bunch of Wally the Walrus eating up all the fish in the pond…..oh yeah start up a war, line em up and blast away at each other. Just like nature, gotta get rid of the lion cubs some how.

            The movie Casablanca did make reference too death camps, go watch it again. Pay attention to the scene of secret society members with the special Dick Tracey decoder rings.
            The movie was scripted in 1942.

          • Jedi on March 29, 2012 at 8:29 am

            The enmity between man and women is what bothers me….this intense distrust, and hatred….and hard wired.
            You know Naga, I do believe what your saying about your experiences, but you are not the only one…..

            btw, ….it is going to be good…the future.

            Robert…….Claude Rains was the invisible man, Flash Gordon was there in SILVER underwear….the second biggest banker in Amsterdam was a pastry chef in Casa Blanca….lol

        • Robert Barricklow on March 28, 2012 at 8:26 pm

          “The night is fine”, the Walrus said. “Do you admire the view?”

          “After such kindness, that would be a dismal thing to do”. The Oysters cried.

          Once again Jedi, you stike a chord.
          The International Wobblies wre making headway into the labor vs capital movement.
          The International Banksters; however, orchestrated and financed ALL sides into WWI & all too soon the workers were shooting at each other, instead of the orchestra’s WWI conductors(International Banksters).

          • Jedi on March 29, 2012 at 5:39 am

            The truth always ring a pure chord, why only some of us can hear it baffles me….pun intended.

            All men created equal before the law, may the best man win… the return of neoplatoism ..if only.

          • SSNaga on March 29, 2012 at 6:25 am

            Yin-Yang: HARD~Soft. Strong “take” the weak (instead of Supporting, Creational Balance Process). Note how the weak & “femiNine” are subjugated. “Fall of the Logos: Who let the Enemy In? We are Betrayed.” First Half of Cycle is “Through A Glass Darkly.”

          • Jedi on March 29, 2012 at 8:33 am

            message in wrong order…read up Naga

          • SSNaga on March 29, 2012 at 8:53 am

            “Soft-HARD” is Correct (Neg. Precedes Pos.). However, Conditional current state is aptly self-evident… dealing with “rums.” … And Stop “reading” as if That is Knowing. It Isn’t. Direct Connect Supercedes all “reading” & “derived knowledge.” Try it… As for The Dual Cycle, Involution-Evolution, the First Half of the EVOLutional Cycle is Darkness (Soil/Soul/$Oil).

          • Jedi on March 29, 2012 at 9:27 am

            the difference between believing and knowing.

            Believing requires a leap of faith, usually off of a cliff.

            there is message above for you is what i meant …

            Direct contact, i dont understand it, but I know it….its wonderful.

          • SSNaga on March 29, 2012 at 11:11 am

            CC IS each Individual’s Cycle-Heritage, The Fruit of The Flower. Yes, many have Experienced this 10th State – I have only talked with one other (a gal on a forum, moderator, Very nice individual), & heart another gal describe it on a West Coast talk radio. In literature, many describe it. It is Not Kundalini, which is UnRipened Fruit. Many ‘poo-poo’ such State. … I read your ‘above’ comment… Nice to see you’re Paying: Attention. EXcellent.

  16. spiritsplice on March 28, 2012 at 6:22 am

    Your book Cosmic War also supports the ownership meme.

    So the real question is, “is that story, in the text, a story inserted by an elite agenda or historical?” Was the story planted so it could later be found and used when the time was right? The scene would become very murky if one were to posit this.

    • Daniel Jones on March 28, 2012 at 8:33 am

      His view does not support an ownership meme. Joseph doesn’t think a genuine open rationally thinking AI is “property,” no more than homo sapien sapiens are, even if engineered.

      What he is advancing is getting our philosophical ethics straight so we can actually assess and counter such memes.

      What kind of philosophy do you think he is advancing though? What philosophy is it that undergirds all his work?

      • spiritsplice on March 28, 2012 at 9:12 am

        If the texts record accurately that man was engineered, then they were certainly seen as property by the designers. This is the inevitable conclusion that falls out of the texts if they are taken at face value.

        I am not suggesting that Joseph feels this way, only that his book supports this.view by dint of what the texts themselves say.

        • Daniel Jones on March 28, 2012 at 9:19 am

          It’s not a matter of “how” he feels, it’s a matter of contextualizing what his view amounts to.

          It’s mistaken to think that his book “supports” an ownership meme, when in actuality his book is arguing against that claim, along with arguing against the religious claims that those ancient texts might even imply.

          An ownership meme might be in the ancient text or even in some speculative theories (e.g. Slave Species of the Gods), but that is not what Joseph’s book supports. What Joseph’s book supports is the philosophical framework that can be lifted out of his book, no more no less.

          • Jedi on March 28, 2012 at 9:41 am

            He who creates, declares a patent and thus by your free will become enslaved by a free lunch….print up money and become self enslaved to create machines that will be used against your children until they are no more…the men of reknown..

            The Landlord, that would be YhWh, House of male and female, the creator of Adam, that catches fish, had not caused water to rise out of the nile delta, NEEDED A SLAVE TO TILL THE EARTH.

            Then Eve was beguiled by the landlords serpant, gave birth to cain, a child from the lord and life has never been the same, or evil the opposite of live, man lives like a dog, with a dog as his best friend and forgets about god and his creations….it is all in the book of genesis or grab your self a expository dictionary learn ancinet greek and know the priest were called among other things IOUdaimos. The Egyptions never used vowels AE Iou and ole macdonald had a farm.

            It is all in the first couple of chapters in the bible…..The MAN, CREATED THE MALE AND FEMALE…he created they them.

          • Daniel Jones on March 28, 2012 at 10:24 am

            Ther term is Ιουδαιος. Maybe it would help to know greek first before pontificating?

            Anyways, I don’t know what you are trying to say, and I can’t understand the point you are making, other than asserting unargued assertions.

          • Jedi on March 28, 2012 at 10:55 am

            Nice straw man Dj locker, ad hom, claim of ignorance and a general ridicule….simple description of slavery by your belly to a bunch of liars….you know the abbas, pater for father…add some vowels change the meaning of words , invent a new language and abra cadabra it is off to the loo…greek for shit house, my darling.

            I believe there are 29 methods of deception used by the sophists, keep um coming.

            Kind of funny that the word nephele is greek for cloud……

          • Daniel Jones on March 28, 2012 at 11:14 am

            You are incredibly rude. Is this usually how you talk to people and view them in the most mechanistic of terms?

            What do you think Plato’s intention of what a Sophist was in light of what you said about ‘property’? In other words, why did he call them Sophists?

            You aren’t making any sense, forming any kind of coherent thought, using correct english grammar, nor even using elementary rules of dialogue to converse.

          • Jedi on March 28, 2012 at 11:25 am

            plesae… attckng my sepeling and garma msiktae seems taht the mssegae can bee udnrestood if the word are icnldued.

            King James philosphers and the cave dwellers …have you read his treaties by chance?

          • Daniel Jones on March 28, 2012 at 11:38 am

            If you want a discussion, rather than sophomoric rants, I would ask that you please clean up your attitude (first and foremost) along with your writing. It’s offensive to any person that cherishes thought.

            Otherwise, I will continue no further.

          • Jedi on March 28, 2012 at 11:55 am

            Excuse my shoddy appearances sake I am more of the hemlock sipping type, blissfully aware of my infinite ignorance without a emotionally bone in my body but enjoy mocking bullies for the childrens sake..

            Dr Xoseph and his 7 colored coat has made public the assertion that those who create, can claim ownership in one of his writings.

            The X is for the 10th letter in the Alphabet.

            Excuse my ability too bee incoherent and offensive in any further discussions.

          • Daniel Jones on March 28, 2012 at 12:36 pm

            Can you support what you are saying?

            Joseph and I have been friends for several years now. I know his thinking quite well on philosophy, since we pretty much agree on the assailing points of how a ‘modern’ Neoplatonist would tackle issues of ethics. Having said that, maybe you can demonstrate to Joseph and I what Joseph thinks. I would find that very interesting.

          • Jedi on March 28, 2012 at 1:01 pm

            Well then ..if you are friends and agree on his assailing (is that something to do with sailing in a pond built by a beaver?) philosophy regardless of the ancient text then no babbling in the grove by incoherent fools is required, the ministry of truth has taken over …btw I thought the neoplatonist went the way of the cuckoo bird back in the civil war.

            To answer your question Dr Xoseph has stated that a creator would under current laws to own his creation.

          • Daniel Jones on March 28, 2012 at 1:25 pm

            That’s what I figured. You don’t have anything to offer for thought and don’t know what you are talking about. Joseph does not confuse ‘law’ as what is enacted in jurisprudence (so much for that word) in republic democracy and what is moral or ethical (which is normative). He’s not arguing in his books that “we need to keep our ‘current laws’ so we can be slaves.” What he IS arguing is the ethical implications OF those current laws and what they’re grizzly entailment would be, and slowly arguing for a different kind of physics and philosophy that would overturn such thinking in current law. That ethic is quite abolitionist if you wish to try and learn something new.

            As far as Neoplatonists here’s some modern ones: Dr. Eric D. Perl, Dr. John M. Dillon, and Dr. Bruce MacLennan, Carl Jung, and that physicist Dr. Werner Heisenberg (more just a general ‘Platonist’). The former two I mentioned have written extensively on Neoplatonism. Might you read them?

          • Jedi on March 28, 2012 at 2:17 pm

            A republic is not a democracy,

            it seems the theme of slavery has been going on for some time, the current trickery is giving up your kids,..get it, kids are goats, upon birth to be claimed by the Queen under Marine law as salvage, I upon birth rowed my boat ashore, having the 13th initial for my name of the messenger (Angel in greek is messenger, arch might have something to do with the mathematics… ) having been the master of my vessel since.

            As for the eastern philosophy of the neo platoists you might consider going straight to the horses mouth over in the forbidden city. However as they say, you can lead a horse to the river (po in latin) but you can not make him think.

          • Daniel Jones on March 28, 2012 at 2:26 pm

            Neoplatonism is not eastern but western and the last flower of the western tradition that is as old as or older than the Chinese.

          • Jedi on March 28, 2012 at 2:40 pm

            Yawn, lesson over.

          • Daniel Jones on March 28, 2012 at 2:54 pm

            Yes I see. More self-promotion with nothing to learn from anybody else. “Jedi” can speak in little “parables,” pretend he’s being a ‘wise’, just to disguise your nonsense, and inability to proffer forward something that is thought or a relevant argument.

          • Jedi on March 28, 2012 at 4:22 pm

            all together a toast of mamas fine dandylion wine.

            long live nepotism

  17. Jay on March 28, 2012 at 5:30 am

    Okay, crop circles as human technology, this isn’t the first place I’ve read such a proposition.

    However, and I’m in no way wedded to the alien contact hypothesis, records of crop circles go back many hundreds of years.

    So where were humans with that kind of technology living in the year say 1200 CE?

    Accepting the Akakor tale as completely true for the moment: Did the residents of the City of Akakor have access to this gear? Or what about David H Lewis’ adventures from the 1930s to the 1970s?

    Were there humans on the moon?

  18. Jay on March 28, 2012 at 5:25 am

    Okay, crop circles as human technology, this isn’t the first place I’ve read such a proposition.

    However, and I’m in no way wedded to the alien contact hypothesis, records of crop circles go back many hundreds of years.

    So where were humans with that kind of technology living in the year say 1200 CE?

    Accepting the tale as completely true for the moment: Did the residents of the City of Akakor have access to this gear?

    Were there humans on the moon?

  19. Jedi on March 28, 2012 at 5:18 am

    perhaps the messages in the CROP circles will provide the origin of its creator….that and mysterious pyramids, optic cutting techniques, electro magnetic sound capabilities, ancient floods, dna manipulation, binary codes….call it the unified theory that everything is related with Elvis at the top…..thank you very much

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