Well, ok, The Daily Bell isn't exactly "mainstream" but it's not exactly "alternative" media either, but it seems that it is getting closer and closer to accepting the idea that once, prior to the civilizations of Egypt, Sumer, the Indus Valley, that there was something else, far older, and far more sophisticated. Some call it "Atlantis" and in my various books I have called it the Very High Civilization, or High Antiquity, and so on. As the following article points out, one effect of the Internet Revolution has been the transformation of culture precisely by loosening the elite-generated directed history narratives, one of the most pervasive of which as been that human history has been a more or less linear progression from primitive hunter-gathering societies, up through the invention of agriculture and the first civilizations (read Egypt and Sumer here), and on upward and ever upward through the genius of Greek rationalism and Roman administration, through the hiccup of the dark ages and on into the emerging sun of the Renaissance, Reformation, Enlightenment until the full sunburst of glorious materialism burst upon us in the industrial revolution and Charles Darwin.

Well, something like that.

In any case, The Daily Bell isn't so sure, since the internet is facilitating powerful challenges to this view, one that, in some respects, is reviving the ancient cultures' own views of themselves, namely, that they were not beginnings but aftermaths, not glorious inceptions, but declined legacies:

The Renaissance Rediscovered Greece: Is The 'Net Reformation Doing the Same for Lost Civilizations?

Now, this thought-provoking article is really very well thought-out. The Internet Revolution is indeed effecting a similar rediscovery - with all the implications for human culture, historiography, and science that this entails - of the theme of lost civilizations. But I would make only the following suggestions, or perhaps, modest corrections, to The Daily Bell's musings.

First, the Renaissance didn't merely rediscover Greece, but rather, in rediscovering Greece, it rediscovered Egypt, and that it is this Neoplatonic and Hermetic impulse stemming ultimately from Egypt, that primarily motivated the eruption of those impulses during the Renaissance that ultimately fueled the rise of modern science and mathematics with Newton and Leibniz. Additionally, that impulse also rediscovered the Pythagoreans, and through them, not only Egypt but Babylonia. One need not read very far into the musings of those two mathematical geniuses to see how profoundly influenced they both were by all these impulses.

Second, while it is true that the alternative research community has done a great deal to bring into sharp relief the inadequacy of some academic paradigms to deal with anomalous evidence for that High Antiquity (one need only think of the ruins of Pumu Punkhu in Bolivia here), the alternative community is itself locked into its own meme, and I think it is possible that this meme is itself the creation of the elite. That meme is to see evidence of an ancient catastrophe as being nothing more than catastrophism: natural events that brought about the demise of that High Antiquity. Here alternative research itself has been slow to appreciate the ancient texts and traditions that speak of a war that brought about the end of that civilization, and when it does consider those texts, it tends to allegorize and mythologize them: the "wars of the gods" were but artististic depictions of natural events: there was not a technology in play, the wars weren't real wars with real conscious actors with real victors and losers.  Not for nothing would the elites wish to keep that interpretive paradigm far out of the options for approaching such issues, for it would then mean the onset of a possible scramble to recover that science and technology before they are able to do so themselves.

But make no mistake, the game's afoot. On this, The Daily Bell is correct. My only suggestion is, that it is afoot for rather different reasons than they aver.

See you on the flip side.

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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. Tom Farrar Talley on January 27, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    “…there was not a technology in play, the wars weren’t real wars with real conscious actors with real victors and losers. ”

    Okay, I take it, WE are the “losers”… but WHO are the Winners???
    are they in any way amenable to Diplomacy?


  2. LSM on January 27, 2013 at 10:05 am

    just a thought: it could be we’re all being distracted (we’re constantly being distracted) about one particular landmass being Atlantis when it may’ve actually been the entire landmass above water on this planet inhabited primarily on coastal areas (like now) at a time before a cataclysm melted the last ice age pronto and raised ocean levels over 400 ft. and engulfed most of coastal civilization in less than a few short hrs.?

  3. MizGreen on January 26, 2013 at 8:37 am

    I would love to see a panel discussion between Dr Farrell and Graham Hancock — they’ve both done monumental work uncovering and decoding the ancient Very High Civilization, but Graham believes that ancient civilization was destroyed by natural catastrophe, while Dr Farrell attributes it to an interplanetary war. Personally I buy Dr Farrell’s take on this issue, but it would be fascinating to see them publicly compare ideas. 🙂

    • LSM on January 27, 2013 at 9:37 am

      I agree with every word you wrote-


  4. johnycomelately on January 26, 2013 at 3:20 am

    I like the Black Sea Crimea theory with the Gates of Hercules being the Bosphorus straights and the Balkans being land locked with Anatolia.

    Seems the most plausable and explains haplogroup distributions most efficiently.

    I wonder if the tower of Babel story is an obfuscation of the flood of Atlantis, how else do you confuse languages other than through a global flood scattering people and destroying a united kingdom and common language.

    • Margaret on January 29, 2013 at 4:02 pm

      What about the Mediterranean? Some years ago I heard an interesting interview w/ Robert Sarmast who theorized that Atlantis is the landmass below Cyprus that was covered as the Mediterranean flooded when the Atlantic broke through Gibraltar, leaving only the tip of the island visible today. An animation of such flooding can be seen in the first couple of minutes of youtube ‘Atlantis Cyprus Discovery’. Sarmast organized an expedition in 2004 and updated his findings in “Discovery of Atlantis: the Startling Case for the Island of Cyprus”. On the project website, discoveryofatlantis[dot]com, is an ‘about-project’ discussion page. Of course there are plenty of comments, pro and con, in the reviews on Amazon. As plausible as any, so far . . .

  5. DownunderET on January 25, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    I take a different view here, look at the absolute MESS the world is in at the moment. We have virtual war going on, based basically, on religious and financial memes.

    Now, if we knew the true story of our history, not what is written in the bible/koran and any other book of lies, then I believe we would NOT be in this mess.

    Think about it folks, a world living in peace and harmony, seems like a dream doesn’t it, well why is it a dream?

    The elites have done a great job of the obfuscation of our hidden history, I just wish that we as a people, as a legacy of a much higher civilisation, could understand what exactly life could be in peace.

    • Frankie Calcutta on January 25, 2013 at 3:42 pm


      The first step to a world of “peace and harmony” wold be for human beings to stop eating meat. The subtle impressions of the violence done in the slaughtering process ring like a bell in the energy body of humans making us even more violent than we already are. I say this with all sincerity. Go several years without eating meat and you will experience an incredible transformation of your thoughts.

      Then again, The Dali Lama eats meat and Adolf Hitler did not. Maybe human beings are just hopelessly screwed up. Maybe genetic tinkering of the species isn’t such a bad thing. It seems like we are an unfinished work. that needs much repair.

      • Thomas on January 27, 2013 at 10:01 am

        I would bet that the Dalai Lama’s consciousness and compassion are more affected by his seventy or so years of meditation and other practices than on his diet of meat

    • Robert Barricklow on January 25, 2013 at 4:30 pm

      Good question.

  6. amunaor on January 25, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Another reason one should avoid exposing themselves to the state sponsored ‘History’ channel! Why do you suppose it’s called Programing? Turn the Idiot Box off and talk to your neighbors!

    This nightmare can be broken only if the domesticated bipeds shake themselves loose from its clutches.

    What happens to that ‘sophisticated knowledge of a golden age’ once it has fallen into the hands of degenerate skin-walkers dwelling in an age of debasement, the age of iron and depravity, the current age of Kali-Yuga?

    The sprawling nest of treachery which leached out and encompassed the globe, on the heels of that debacle – WWII, will make the resulting trauma from that period seem like birthday party in comparison if allowed to fester.

    • Frankie Calcutta on January 25, 2013 at 4:03 pm


      “Turn the Idiot Box off and talk to your neighbors!” unfortunately, most neighbors are the sum total of what they watched on tv. You’re better off talking to a tree, more positive feedback.

      “the current age of Kali-Yuga?” It is believed by some Vedic scholars that the kali Yuga ended roughly 300 years ago, including the yogi astrologer Sri Yukteswar, guru of Paramahansa Yogananda and David Frawley. Read his “Astrology of The Seers” for a detailed explanation of this. Makes perfect sense as it follows the 25,000 precessional cycle as well as the ancient Vedic monarchs kept careful astronomical records on the time of their kingships including the particular yuga cycle they reigned in. We are currently in the dwapara yuga which would explain our recent advancements in technology. The yuga science of time is very important to understand if one wants to know the ebb and flow of human history. It certainly debunks all that we have been taught to think about history by the ruling cabal.

  7. Tor on January 25, 2013 at 11:27 am

    I would have to say though, that the “Cosmic War” fought with the “Grid of the Gods” with the “Giza Death Star” as a weapons platform, fits really nice with the idea of a much more closely knit, electrically dynamic solar system. Whereas today, at first glance, the grid monuments seem to be really cool configurations of really big rocks. Not saying that’s all it is, or that its inactive. Just seems to be not quite as active as it might have once been in such a scenario. Just a comment though, and I certainly don’t disagree with your article one bit.

    • Ted A on January 25, 2013 at 12:07 pm

      Yes, the war scenario seems very logical. The power grid that the megolithic structures seem to have encompassed could easily been converted into a deathstar instrament. Dr. Farrell’s work seems to be spot on to me.

      • Frankie Calcutta on January 25, 2013 at 3:27 pm


        How about this theory:

        A disgruntled colony (Egypt) builds an energy weapon under the guise of just another (but impressively massive) power station on the global grid and then uses it to blow their oppressor (Atlantis) to kingdom come, sinking their entire island into the sea and liberating humanity from the Atlantean’s tyranny and depravity? Thus hoping to restore the world to one without an elite ruling as gods, creating genetically modified monsters to turn loose on the defenseless masses or manipulating the weather so they could sit back and watch the spectacle of giant hurricanes decimating human populations in the far flung regions of the Earth. Most importantly, by sinking Atlantis with the Giza weapon, the Egyptians would put an end to the Atlanteans’ favorite pastime of all– human sacrifice.

        Possibly our current elite are the descendants of the Atlantean sorcerers, with the same cruel and depraved inclinations and therefore why it is so imperative to these wicked people that the rest of humanity does not know the real history of the past and why the oppressed must also never have knowledge of the physics which nearly wiped these sorcerers out before (if it wasn’t for a plucky seafaring sorcerer named Noah who got away with spell books and conquest manuals).

        It does seem to me, the Egyptians were preparing for inundation with their rumored hall of records and other secret knowledge chambers. And the pyramids did spend some time under water, if I’m not mistaken. The aftermath of such an attack in the Atlantic would not be hard to predict. A wall of water would be inevitable.

        Could there be a scourge so vile, that it requires sacrificing much of humanity to rid the world of it and restore balance? Possibly. Imagine a world today where our current sadistic ruling elite fulfilled all their maniacal desires? It would be a grim future indeed and one probably not worth living and certainly not one to bequeath to progeny. Better off hitting the reset button like the Egyptians might have done.

        • Ted A on January 25, 2013 at 10:56 pm

          I can see your story being truth. Although I’m not so sure on resetting being the answer. Unless of course it were a last resort option.

          Hitting the reset button just starts the power elites against the masses game all over again. Forgive my French but screw that shit. I want to move on to better things. It’s either all of us, including the elites, or none of us and continue this bs power struggle game that the human species seems to keep playing. We as a species can’t grow. Too many of us are too worried about putting a roof over our heads and/or putting food on the table. The elites aren’t growing either. Yes, they have all the power but they can’t see beyond that power. They’re swimming in it. They can’t grow spiritually with total power. They’re too busy trying to retain or gain total dominance. Power belongs to all living beings. The human species as a whole can’t grow when there is such an imbalance of power. Zero point is the tool that places everyone on a balanced playing field.

          Free we will be of just paying bills. Instead we could pursue what would truly interest us. We would have the freedom to grow. Imagine an entire species dedicated to expanding it’s existence instead of just scurrying around for some imaginary thing called money. Free the elites would be of killing others for the pursuit of this imaginary thing called money.

          Zero point destroys all and allows us to create a new existence were everyone could pursue whatever it is they would like to learn. No matter how mundane this knowledge would be it would still be a pursuit of knowledge. Imagine a society dedicated to expanding all aspects of experience instead of a deadly game of power struggle.

  8. Ted A on January 25, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Strange that this article should come out now after I just read an article on yahoo discussing the Singularity of AI. Mainstream seems so content on reaching this robotic / ai singularity yet never discusses the zero point singularity. Maybe they need this to happen before Tesla’s ideas are fully understood about zero point.

  9. kamutef on January 25, 2013 at 9:10 am

    I’ve come to suspect that many of the archaeologists scattered around the world are there as much to cover up as to supposedly uncover. Given that all the world’s governments cooperate on the suppression of the reality of extraterrestrial intelligence, the next step would be to make sure that any of their ancient tools or artifacts left behind and rediscovered by us are subjected to the same suppression.

  10. Robert Barricklow on January 25, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Pretend there exists a power curve in learning.
    Pretend there exist an algorithm for such a curve.
    Pretend that certain entities could translate these, into said curves, and know “tipping points” to be avoided – BY getting just ahead of observed “education” power curves AND redirecting them, away from a “known” truths; “they” wish to remain “hidden”.

    • jedi on January 25, 2013 at 10:05 am

      hidden from most.

      …what if you were immortal, would you want too know?

      • Robert Barricklow on January 25, 2013 at 1:13 pm

        Only a few find the way, some don’t recognize it when they do -some- …don’t even want to.

        We’re all mad here. I’am mad. Your mad.
        How do you know I’am mad?
        You must be. Or you wouldn’t have come here.

        Or, as the Cheshire Cat also points out?
        “Would you please tell me which way I ought to go from here?
        That depends on where you want to get to.
        I don’t much care where.
        Then it doesn’t matter which way you go.

        • jedi on January 26, 2013 at 5:25 am

          its when you start problem solving that madness sets it.

          • Robert Barricklow on January 26, 2013 at 8:26 am

            Whether one knows it, or not.
            We all in “Wonderland”,
            in some fashion or other.

          • jedi on January 26, 2013 at 9:40 am

            your retorts crack me up…kind of like making a caesars salad.

            its elementary my dear “Watts” sun.

            or from ptah the rowman

            the trick Mr Claypot is not minding that it hurts.

          • Robert Barricklow on January 26, 2013 at 10:54 am

            John Cougar, noe that he’s getting older; sees Claypot, and raises the ante
            with …”Hurts So Good”

          • jedi on January 26, 2013 at 11:13 am

            engarde you faggot, you’ve insulted me for the last time.

          • jedi on January 26, 2013 at 11:16 am

            I dont think any one here understands a word were saying.

          • Robert Barricklow on January 26, 2013 at 4:23 pm

            I got my “crackerjack” decoder long ago.
            Much longer than 13 moons ago, though.

            Apparently, you also opened one also.

            I’am afraid their out of production, so I doubt anyone knows; although,
            …with enough rum?

          • jedi on January 27, 2013 at 10:14 am

            did it come with the emerald tablets of thoth?

            I cant believe people blogging here still havent figured out the north pole, my good dr, you must always choose the lessor of 2 weevils…..

          • Robert Barricklow on January 27, 2013 at 3:34 pm

            you have me at a disadvantage; because a jedi is forbidden to make such a choice, as he or she, would still have the the lessor & the weevil…

          • jedi on January 28, 2013 at 8:27 am

            i got a reverse gear that gets me out of traps faster than i got into it…its an automatic transition when being a non materialist

          • Robert Barricklow on January 28, 2013 at 9:03 am

            For-I say fortunately I always
            carry a spare set of feathers.
            -Foghorn Leghorn

  11. Yaj on January 25, 2013 at 6:30 am

    In something like 1922 the NY Times did a front page article on someone, with real funding, looking for Atlantis, in the mid Atlantic I believe.

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