MORE THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO “HMMM…”: BIGFOOT, ...
Recently I posted a short blog about the purported discovery of the finger of a giant (we "know" it had to be from a giant because, so we're told, the finger was some 16" long). Of course, stories of such giant finds abound on the internet, often with accompanying photos, and more often than not, most of the time these turn out to be hoaxes. In the case of the finger, I noted that a bit of Hollywood makeup artistry could come up with it.
Yet I also noted that there is a more serious search on, involving none other than world-famous Oxford geneticist Bryan Sykes, to sequence DNA samples purportedly those of a Bigfoot, Yeti, or Sasquatch. Well, a reader of this particular site and of that particular blog (Mr. "B") kindly forwarded to me some very interesting articles about this very subject. Reading this, I quite literally froze, and I believe you will too when you read it. The article, or more precisely, press release, is here:
‘BIGFOOT’ DNA SEQUENCED IN UPCOMING GENETICS STUDY
Here's the parts that made me freeze:
“Our study has sequenced 20 whole mitochondrial genomes and utilized next generation sequencing to obtain 3 whole nuclear genomes from purported Sasquatch samples. The genome sequencing shows that Sasquatch mtDNA is identical to modern Homo sapiens, but Sasquatch nuDNA is a novel, unknown hominin related to Homo sapiens and other primate species. Our data indicate that the North American Sasquatch is a hybrid species, the result of males of an unknown hominin species crossing with female Homo sapiens.
Hominins are members of the taxonomic grouping Hominini, which includes all members of the genus Homo. Genetic testing has already ruled out Homo neanderthalis and the Denisova hominin as contributors to Sasquatch mtDNA or nuDNA. “The male progenitor that contributed the unknown sequence to this hybrid is unique as its DNA is more distantly removed from humans than other recently discovered hominins like the Denisovan individual,” explains Ketchum.
“Sasquatch nuclear DNA is incredibly novel and not at all what we had expected. While it has human nuclear DNA within its genome, there are also distinctly non-human, non-archaic hominin, and non-ape sequences. We describe it as a mosaic of human and novel non-human sequence. Further study is needed and is ongoing to better characterize and understand Sasquatch nuclear DNA.”(Emphases added)
Now note what we have:
- The sequenced DNA (allegedly from a Sasquatch) appears to be that of a human female crossed with a male or males of an unknown species;
- This male is "distantly removed from humans"; and,
- Appears to be "distinctly non-human" but also some kind of "non-archaic" hominid, in other words, an unknown species within the genus homo.
Now for those of you who've been following my own speculations based on some old texts, you'll recall that, in the Mesopotamian texts dealing with the "engineering" or "creation" of man, the "gods" contributed their part through the male, and the human part came from the female. In commenting on such stories, I have tried to point out that such a fusion or union would be aided or possible by some sort of genetic compatibility to begin with, and this, it appears, is exactly what Dr. Ketchum discovered. I have called them in various interviews "genetic cousins". In short, if this study is true, then we might be looking at some very modern conformation of the basic outlines of a very old story. It is, of course, far to early to say that it is, but the implications, if true, are there. If Dr. Ketchum's study is true or, more importantly, if its results can be reproduced, then we have drawn a bit closer to the point of having to seriously reexamine those old texts.
See you on the flip side.
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Well, it’s started. The character assassination people have been released, to soften up the objective, Melba Ketchum, before academic science finds a way to bury her.
Go to YouTube, search Dr. Melba Ketchum; filter your results for just uploaded in the last month. Disregard regard all Coast to Coast uploads. The first 5 or so videos are out to get her.
2 in particular, “Reverend Jeff” and “Team Tazer” are vitriolic with an axe to grind. No “wait and see” “benefit of the doubt” “suspend disbelief” here.
I’ve been following the Bigfoot issue for years now, periodically checking YouTube for any good video sightings.
Tonight, that’s what I was doing and I was amazed at the number of Bigfoot hoax videos that are suddenly swarming YouTube.
For those who don’t know, “soften up the objective” is a military term for preliminary weakening the enemy before full scale attack.
Isn’t that what was to be expected lol?
For her to hoax all this would mean the end of her business that she’s spent nearly 30 years building and her professional reputation. From that standpoint alone I don’t believe there is any form of hoax here.
Academics may try and destroy her anyway,but the fact that false DNA evidence would be detected in a heartbeat by modern equipment leaves me to believe that she has something genuine here.
For mine, it is purely a matter of whether or not people like Sykes and others are willing to back her publicly if he/they see what she sees!
Hey Marcos,
I just googled “Einstein math errors” because I wanted to make a point, but there are so many examples I didn’t know which to choose 🙂
Well, I finally got around to reading the article linked by Dr. Farrell, and now I have egg on my face.
At least 20 distinct samples, i.e. 20 different Sasquatch with the same results.
Dr. Ketchum speculates the hybridization occurred about 15,000 years ago.
“has human nuclear DNA within its genome”; “a mosaic of human and novel non-human sequence.”
Yes, a mosaic pattern would imply gene splicing; it would be unlikely to occur through natural selection and genetic drift. Gene splicing and not mating.
It is interesting that Dr. Ketchum bases her call for indigenous human status for North American Sasquatch based on the fact the the female progenitor was human.
It is rare to find a scientist with the care and courage of Dr. Ketchum. When I think of a few other examples of scientists in the last 50 years who have made paradigm-breaking discoveries and sacrificed their professional lives to stand by their findings, they all have been women.
I would just like to point something out, in light the earlier discussion by myself and others that Sasquatch is hominid enough to breed with humans. (Note also here that the Russian version of Sasquatch reputedly has the use of fire.)
What this DNA sequencing shows, strictly speaking, is that this particular
individual is a hybrid. This may not be true of all North American Sasquatch.
In other words this individual may be a first generation hybrid.
Prima facie this supports the humanoid version of Sasquatch compared to the ape-like version, since the father was able to mate with a human.
Now lets go off the deep end: perhaps the Sasquatch has undertaken its own genetic manipulation program, and is abducting human females for breeding purposes. (I note the comment in the discussion about Yetis apparently doing such.) See also here David Paulides here about the large number of disappearances of young people from National Parks and Forests.
HMMM… As the dear Dr. is fond of saying.
Just to clarify further Dr. Ketchum’s findings, for those whose biology education is a little rusty. Ketchum is specifically saying that this is a first generation hybridization: “the mother is human, the father is non-human hominid.”
Technically, there is another possibility from this data: the father is non-human hominid, the mother is a hybrid (human/hominid.)
Putting it another way, lets call this hybrid Mary. All female subsequent generations of Mary will be genetically quite similar, if they mate with non-hybrid hominids. This is because they carry Mary’s MITOCHONDRIAL DNA, which will remain unchanged generation after generation.
If Mary’s female subsequent generations were instead to mate with other hybrids, their NUCLEAR DNA will be human/hominid, and they will be genetically quite distinct from Mary.
Thus we really don’t know when this hybridization occurred. We might surmise, however, that it is relatively recent.
My apologies to those of you for whom this little review was superfluous.
Now I know what some of you are saying: “Gotcha amrta!” The nuclear DNA of a hybrid can only be either/or, it can’t be mixed. When I was getting my education in genetics many years ago in medical school, the teaching was sex leading to offspring only occurs within a species, not between species.
The problem occurs when we consider domesticated species. A horse and a donkey (mule), a dog and a wolf, a dog and a coyote, etc. So interspecies hybridization is fairly common when we one of the species is domestic. Let’s consider that modern human is a domesticated hominid species. Domesticated not by us obviously. Then interspecies sex leading to offspring in this situation has some precedent in the animal world. This raises the issue as to whether our nomenclature or classification system needs to be revised.
Well I admit the genetics of creating hybrids is a bit beyond me, so I don’t understand how Dr. Ketchum can say that the nuclear DNA is entirely non-human. Then this hybrid, “Mary”, had two non-human hominid parents who had sexual reproduction producing “Mary”, but the mother just happened to have human mitochondria!? Unless you’re going to tell me that the tissue specimen on which the analysis was based indicates first generation genetic engineering. But then how to account for the general
Sasquatch population, which is estimated in North America to be in the thousands? They’re all being cranked out by hand, so to speak?
Obviously we need to run DNA analysis on a variety of Sasquatch individuals.
Prediction: the Oxford analysis will be falsified to bury the issue. Years later the results will be shown to have been valid in the first place, but stain of discredit will remain. That’s usually the way things work. The results of the Oxford analysis will be determined politically, not scientifically, but at the very highest level, not the elected level. This is because acknowledging the existence of this creature will lead to a series of subsequent investigations into areas that are definitely off-limits.
Putting the emphasis on peer review is a double-bind catch-22. On the one hand we know that academic science is blinkered and corrupt, and is largely responsible for the “knowledge filter.” On the other hand, by insisting on peer review, we are saying that only if the blinkered and corrupt give their approval will we have a valid finding.
I’m not sure about the “fixing” of any data from the Oxford end, Amrta. You could be right, but I have to say that I have alot more faith in Bryan Sykes to tell the truth than I do tricky dicky Dawkins! Perhaps that’s because Sykes has appeared on C2C with George Noory a few times lol. We’ll see. I don’t believe for one second that Sykes would launch his own research project into this if he felt it wasn’t warranted. I believe he’s probably been monitoring Ketchum’s work for quite along time – and perhaps even offering ‘un-official’ imput.
Actually, on the subject of Sykes and C2C, the last time I heard Sykes on the show, Noory invited him to take a look at Lloyd Pye’s Star Child skull, to which Sykes said he would, in a roundabout way so to speak. I’ve heard nothing on it since.
Getting back to Ketchum, I’m not sure I follow you when you say it could be a first generation hybrid if, by Ketchums calculations, the mtDNA is about 15,000 years old?
Prediction –
If Ketchum can get “some” scientists to take her findings seriously, we will see more scientists come out of the wood-work – ala Lloyd Pye’s alleged “DNA-Deep Throat” lol.
Once that that happens it’ll be the death knell for this vile and peutred darwinism stuff. Then we can start working toward how life really began on this beautiful blue planet!!
Lesson one – and in the words of the late Samuel Noah Kramer –
History begins at Sumer!
Ah yeah, Pye’s “deep-throat” geneticist. That is so cool! and I will admit it is a bit flattering for us males, that is, that most of the divine DNA is on the Y-chromosome. Wow, I’m feeling better already 🙂
Of course the mitochondrial DNA is also apparently also non-primate, but both sexes have that. Still I suppose we can be thankful to all the mothers in the world.
Some of us may also have heard about the supposed attempt by US intelligence, shortly after WW2, to capture a yeti. Rumour has it the expedition was actually successful.
Adventures Unlimited Press actually sells a video that is supposed to be a documentary of this expedition. Don’t get it! It was just an old fiction movie made based on the idea; made in the 60s I think.
The rumours are that US intelligence wanted to breed a better warrior. Apparently West Point grads these days are not capable of meeting the old requirements of physical conditioning, or something like that.
There’s a very interesting Feb 17th radio interview with Dr. Melba Ketchum at http://bf-field-journal.blogspot.com/
She seems completely sincere, she regards sasquatches as a kind of people and one of her concerns is to ensure that they are protected. (If all this checks out) she is totally right about that of course – our human curiosity and exploitativeness would be a danger to them, and some kind of emergency legislation would be needed to make shooting a sasquatch, murder.
She goes into a lot of details about what they did to avoid contamination of the DNA samples, where they got the DNA samples, why they weren’t able to upload the samples to Genbank, etc.. She said there has been a huge reluctance to do things that in other circumstances would be routine, like uploading the DNA sequences to Genbank. However she says the DNA sequences are available online with their paper, for $30.
One of the problems I commonly see on this site is the foraying into speculation about controversial anomalies like Bigfoot, without having taken the time to do in depth research on what others have already published on the topic.
Lloyd Pye has good documentation about a successful mating of a female Bigfoot and Russian males in the early 20th century. You can find this discussed on one of his YouTube videos.
There are other cases, but not as well documented. Native American tradition has it that Bigfoot is a man.
The case is complicated in that there more than one type of Bigfoot, even in North America. Some are more ape-like, some are very human looking, and some in-between. Hunters who have had a Bigfoot in their rifle sights have repeatedly said they could not pull the trigger because the thing looked too human. So, it would seem based on the spread of phenotypes, that quite a bit of cross-breeding has been going on for a long time.
In short, we don’t need Anunaki technology to produce a hybrid, just plain ole sex will do.
I think that you might be underestimating us in here with your opening statement there, amrta? We come to sites like this because we dont accept the facade presented to us in this world as a reality. I think you’ll find that all of us in here are pretty well researced when it comes to most things we, or Dr Farrell discuss.
Yes, you’re right. I did see some mention of Lloyd Pye in the discussion.
The other capable researcher who brings a rigorous approach, and I believe he’s the one who submitted the hair/tissue from which our DNA sample was obtained, is David Paulides.
I think LLoyd Pye’s Anthropological presentation is very good. I just wish he wouldn’t bring Mr Sitchen’s interpretation of the Sumerian texts into the mix.
I believe that Sitchen whilst perhaps not being correct with all that he says regarding the Sumerians, does make some quite astute observations, but the issue is one of credlbility – Sitchen never cites (to my knowledge anyway) one cuneiform tablet or stela as a reference for any of his translations.
Pye doesn’t need to be associated with that type of stigma if he wants to be taken seriously by people. He needs to dump the Sitchen stuff from his presentation – for now anyway.
Yeah, I think Sitchin was not totally correct in a lot of areas, but his interpretation was the best that could be expected given his own knowledge framework. For example, Sitchin interpreted “lower world” to mean Southern Hemisphere, i.e. the mining was done in South Africa, since his knowledge framework was that the earth is solid. Whereas if the world is hollow, either at the core or peripherally, as is a commonly held ancient belief, then the mining really was done inside the earth. Ron Paul’s medical partner actually espoused this theory in a book he wrote, but I haven’t read it.
You see this a lot these days in the UFO field, now that everyone has an Einstein knowledge framework: this or that “can’t be” because Einstein said blah blah blah. Einstein may turn out to be the worst thing that ever happened to physics. We should have just stayed with Tesla. Or to put it more darkly, Einstein was the scientist the elite put us on to get us on the wrong track, while they sequestered Tesla away for their own purposes.
Amrta you took the words out of mouth. Einstein was a front for our Elites to point us away from Tesla. To keep us in the dark ages of science and technology we wallowing in today misdirection into ignorance and despair.
Looking around the YT traps following Dr Ketchum’s previous appearance on C2C, alot of the pro Darwinians are seeing this as a great bonanza for the cause of Humanism and the final death blow to the 6000 year creation theory.
I am no Geneticist, but if someone could explain to me how a hominid lifeform that is presenting recently appearing human female Mitachondrial DNA and being described as a ‘hybrid’ is a win for Darwinism, then please enlighten me?
Anyone?
As DownunderET stated above : Lloyd Pye’s book “Everything You Know Is Wrong” is a good read.
Just ordered it.
Thanks for the tip.
Before I would have considered this silly. Now, after readung Dr. Farrell’s books, I consider it serious business. Perhaps, more accurately, it shouldn’t be serious business; but, serious science. I can’t help but laugh thinking/ patenting the God gene sequence.
Speaking of laughs, check this out:
http://www.blacklistedradio.com/?p=1846
There is a fascinating interview with Dr Ketchum on Coast to coast by GEORGE KNAPP: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/12/23. Dr ketchum discussed not only the results, but also the politics and BS she has had to deal with. She struck me as very genuine.
Coincidentally (or not!) she will be on Coast to Coast AGAIN tomorrow Feb 17th! The host will be GEORGE KNAPP again, so it will be a good interview.
George Knapp, alleged shill for the nuclear energy industry.
But, I hear people change.
Or, is it, pocket change?
An interesting study would be to see what percentage of female homo sapiens would breed with a sasquatch or yeti if he were rich.
Donald Trump has been married at least 2 times. (Bad joke, I know. My appologies to Sasquatch!)
It has always been researcher Lloyd Pye’ view that when the Annunaki did the genetic enginering, they did it with an upright walking hominoid. The famous “Patterson Film” has had people wondering for many years.
His book “Everything You Know Is Wrong” is a good read and his Red Ice Radio interview called “The Intervention Theory” is excellent, even a three year old child cound understand it.
Once again our hidden history is starting to come out of the shadows, the elites have been at this game for a very long time, and as Graham Hancock has said, it is time to throw out the current consensis and start with a completey new investigation.
Hi Downunder,
another good read is Hancock’s novel “Entangled” if you are not already familiar with it- if not it’s Hancock’s hypothesis (influenced by Ayahuasca) about the nature of Neanderthals (Sasquatch?)- but it’s not something you want to read just before you go to bed and is definitely not for the squeamish at heart-
I’d state more but don’t want to give away the plot if one is not yet familiar with the book- 🙂
stay well- regards-
Larry
If Sasquatch is a hybrid why not the Yeti too there are stories of the Yeti kidnaping human females but it is as you say J.P.Farrell if the dna diagnostic proves legit we will be awaiting the final results.
Marcos –
As you and Amrta have mentioned Einstein in this thread, you both might find this short video somewhat interesting!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHHz4mB9GKY
When Bush, the Younger, was pushing around dust bunnies
under his desk while looking for weapons of
MASS DESTR*CTION
[fill in the star]
I wonder how many realities he blithely and
unthinkingly tossed aside (?)
The whole problem arises because space is considered a vacuum, and not viewed as aether. Right off the bat in this video, it’s presenting the relativistic idea that matter deforms the space around it. But you can’t deform a non-entity. So space is not a nothingness, yet if it is not nothing what is it.
Tesla believed in the aether. You have have to have an underlying substrate or matrix in which waves like light can occur. A wave must always be a wave of something. Waves of water, waves of sound, etc. So electromagnetic waves, like light for instance, are waves in the aether. It’s so obvious a child would understand it.
The Michelson-Morley experiment was flawed and disproved nothing because it assumed the aether was static.
It is not that matter curves space. Substitute aether for space; substitute vortex for curvature. Matter arises as a vortex in the aether. Thus it has no clear boundary, as the vortex of a whatever matter you are considering extends out indefinitely. Thus it affects the flow of things around it, like light.
A model of physics without the aether is caught in insoluble contradictions from the get-go.
All things are just vortexes or deformations of the aether. Thus non-locality and the interconnectedness of separated particles becomes understandable.
See Kraft – vortex model of atoms. Kraft was alluded to in one of Dr. Farrell’s books.
According research by William Lyne, Tesla viewed electrical current as the flow of aether. This flow, in Tesla’s view, was guided by the wire, not contained by it. Thus we can explain the phenomenon of the electromagnetic field around an electrical current as the the vortex/spiralling flow of aether around the current flow in a wire. So simple. Occam’s razor: the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.
I was reading your posts here and the science & logic behind them, remind me of Star Trek’s Spock, “Nowhere am I so desperetly needed as among a shipload of illogical humans.”
Of course, I’am not speaking of the people at this site; but I’am for myself, & these post helped set my bearings more towards the logical/science side.
If I understand you, you’re not being sarcastic; that is, you appreciate the logic that I present. If so, thank you, sir.
It’s ironic that most electronic devices that we use trace back to Tesla, yet Tesla’s understanding of physics and electricity, is not what we have today, and is largely lost to us.
Of course, except in the “classified world”.
amrta,
I was just reading your comment about Ford & earthquakes and really identified with your, “Thanks to him I have no certainty about anything”.
I followed your logic and it”opened” a iewpoint door, so to speak. As I traversed with your logic the pieces rearranged themselves to a better picture, if you will.
In a way it reminds me of a Buddah being questioned “Is it an ideology, his theology his blah, blah, blah blah?”
And the Buddha replied, “We dance”.
Your replies, …”dance”.
I know in today’s society, with the media, psyops, ect., one has to question sincerity. The other day, I had an encounter where it was fightin’ sarcasim. The reason being the source. At first I thought I knew the source, but looking closer, I realized the meaning.
In swordplay, those who cannot dance, will never master the sword.
Fortunately, both our wives stopped the escalation.
I agree with you about that razor
Interestingly the largest people in Europe (Scandanavians and the Montenegrans) are also predominately the carriers of the Oldest haplogroup group in Europe, haplogroup I.
And if this crossed DNA proves true it solves the necessity of a breeding population problem that conventional science legitimately points out as a problem with Big Foot. (One needs enough of them to breed and sustain the population over hundreds over years, and that’s not possible if there are only say 20 Big Foots in existence. Unless one subscribes to the idea that they live in a vast underworld or possibly some version of an alternate dimension.)
“Unless one subscribes to the idea that they live in a vast underworld”- if they really exist they most probably do- it’s just we don’t know about it yet- I think we’ll all agree that just because something isn’t yet known in the present doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist
Yes but don’t forget guys, this “study” isn’t exactly peer-reviewed… but again, the idea was too significant to ignore…. IF true… Always IF IF IF!
That’s not quite true, if what Melba Ketchum says is true.
She said the paper passed peer review with the “Journal of Advanced Multidisciplinary Exploration in Zoology”
But the lawyer for the journal advised against publishing it because it would trash the journal’s reputation.
So she bought the journal, changed the name (for some reason) and came out with a “special issue” just for her paper. Reason for buying the journal was so that the article WAS peer-reviewed.
She said she’d been through a hell of a time with reviewers refusing even to look at the paper, mocking them, etc.
I don’t know what experts will say about their methods. But it seems that if Sasquatches exist, the idea will have to bootstrap itself into respectability. If these people share their DNA samples, other labs will analyze them; there will be more interest in gathering and analyzing Sasquatch samples; Jeff Meldrum’s blimp project for sasquatch observation will get off the ground and maybe actually see them. Etc.
If the genome is uploaded to Genbank – Ketchum said this will be done soon – somebody can even clone a sasquatch 🙂
You’re on to the Deeper problems… and then, there are problems with the problems…
LSM–
You completely missed the point about there having to be enough Big Foots to breed and how this DNA if true gets around that problem. In other words, you just decided what I think and were vastly wrong.
Unless you think that there’s a vast underground world inhabited by Nessie and Big Foot, also not something I ruled out.
Try reading instead of assuming.
Actually the journal they bought wasn’t called “Journal of advanced multidisciplinary exploration in zoology”. That’s what she called the new journal (DeNovo Journal of advanced …).
The journal with which this paper passed peer review is so far unnamed.
There might be good reasons for that, but so far no factual support for their truthfulness – like no data in Genbank yet.
Hoping …
True, Dr Farrell, but Dr Ketchum is calling for your government to classify them as an indigenous species – she must be absolutely certain of the validity of her work to be doing that.
They’re animals or animal like – they just live in the 40% regions planet that we don’t. Deep tropical rainforests, mountaineous regions, forests & deep widerness areas etc etc.
We don’t live in those places because our physical bodies just can’t cut the mustard in those areas.
As another researcher adequately put it, “we don’t live in the heart of darkness, only on the fringes of it”.
This is why we don’t see them and if we do it’s by pure chance and chance alone.