TIDBIT: MARS ORBITER AND THE ANCIENT MARTIAN MEGAFLOOD
March 10, 2013 / /
This may interest some of you... In my Cosmic War, and on several interviews on that subject on my friend George Ann Hughs' The Byte Show, I have speculated that the best evidence in the solar system for a planetary-wide flood such as many believe the Bible and other ancient manuscripts and traditions describe is not on planet Earth, but on Mars. Well, now there's this from NASA's Mars orbiter:
Huge flood on Mars? Orbiter data shows evidence of ancient megaflood.
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I cannot claim certain knowledge, but not all appearances have exactly the same cause.
For instance, the famous “rilles” on the moon: they look just like rivers, don’t they, and yet no one thinks they were caused by water erosion. The claim that they are caused by lava flows is pure speculation: might be right, but might also be wrong.
The absurdity of “modern science,” especially astronomy, is that any claim, no matter the total lack of any proof whatsoever, is ASSUMED to be true, just because a mainstream “scientist” is making the claim.
I will remind again that large flows of electricity can cause erosion effects that LOOK very similar to water erosion in some cases.
Since electricity and water can cause similar appearances, what are people using to DISTINGUISH between the two? Mainstream astronomy is using nothing to distinguish between the two, because they refuse to even consider the possibility of electrical forces causing planetary features.
Just pretending that “the only thing that they can think of that can cause phenomenon x” is actually proof of their claims regarding phenomenon x, is the specialty of modern astronomy.
I long for the days of Isaac Newton.
bdw000 – I recalled this fascinating article from 2001 by Wal Thornhill discussing this very issue. He believes that it was powerful electrical arcs, not water or fluid erosion, that created the Grand Canyon (the model) and the rilles/valles on Mars, Venus and our moon. As you say, ‘just speculation’ on the part of geologists who he says are clueless when confronted with electrical erosion. He cites an engineer, the late Ralph Juergens, who said that the patterns seen on Mars are similar to lightning scars on Earth; the patterns are the same since electrical phenomena exhibit the same forms regardless of scale. So Juergens identified Mars’ Valles Marineris as being a scar from a cosmic thunderbolt, a cosmic electric discharge. He makes this curious mythology reference: “… Might the Canyonlands of Mars have been created in an event perhaps hinted at by Homer when he wrote: ‘Athena [Venus] drove the spear straight into his [Ares’ (Mars’)] belly where the kilt was girded: the point ran in and tore the flesh… [and] Ares roared like a trumpet’…” In the end, Thornhill proposes “the celestial thunderbolt as a common cause of the formation of canyons and rilles on rocky planets and moons.”
Mars and the Grand Canyon
Hey Margaret, fascinating is definitely the correct word to use.
Thornhill is the man!
I am convinced that water erosion simply could not have caused the Grand Canyon (and many others). The Grand Canyon looks EXACTLY like a lightning strike on a golf course.
I had a lightning strike in my backyard that looked EXACTLY like a lunar rille.
Anyone here who has the tiniest inklings of interest in “the electric universe” side of things should definitely check out Margaret’s link above as well as http://www.thunderbolts.info.
Final word: see also www .electricuniverse.info/Introduction
The ‘Speculative theories’ section has a link to the ‘electrical scarring’ page where Immanuel Velikovsky’s ideas on interplanetary electrical discharges are mentioned.
What I find most curious is Thornhill’s ‘cosmic’ language (and the mythology references), i.e. ‘celestial thunderbolts’, ‘interplanetary thunderbolts’, ‘cosmic electric discharges’ … when planets come close, gargantuan interplanetary lightning results … thick strata and anomalous deposits can be dumped from space in hours … ‘interplanetary electrical forces’ … cosmic thunderbolts cause radioactivity, change radioactive decay rates, and add and subtract radioactive elements. I haven’t read Dr. Farrell’s Cosmic War yet but I can’t help wondering if what he imagines might have been the awesome forces that caused these geological changes on neighboring planets. Or if such changes had occurred before the ‘cosmic war’. I don’t know the timeline but Thornhill’s references are most suggestive.
Yes the ornate, flowery, classical language does have that Enuma Elish resonance with the soul.
I too, about 10 years ago, stumbled upon the interesting electrical discharge theory as a probable cause for a multitudinous array of planetary surface features. But, like too many other inconvenient anomalies which chance to threaten the dogmatic pillars of an entrenched and myopic science, such little flare-ups are simply deprived of any oxygen, hosed by the paradigm sentinels. But, the high priests on their feathery beds of false assumptions can’t expect to escape the fire forever, for somewhere along the journey, a flare-up of truth is bound to become an insurmountable inferno.
I can’t locate it now, but the article I read back then, the investigator was hard pressed to validate a mechanism sufficient enough to ignite a discharge between planets necessary to effect the magnitude of scarring that the study attempts to explain, such as the enormous Valles Marineris rille on Mars including a variety of Lunar anomalies.
The Mars rill, if superimposed over a map of the U.S. would span the entire continent from New York to Los Angeles. In order for an electrical discharge to be able to etch out such scar, the required proximity of both planets would need to place them so close that the torsional stress interacting upon each other’s gravitational wells would have ripped both orbs pieces. Of course, that conclusion too is dependent upon our highly misconstrued ‘assumptions’ about gravity. (Townsend Brown)
Another speculative alternative offered up for such scarring was whether or not a significant coronal mass ejection could have mustered up the prerequisite electrical dynamics to trigger such a violent electrical exchange.
Keep in mind the Mars Hellas Basin is the result of a bolide 621 miles in diameter – a 10-mile diameter object is considered a planet killer – traveling so fast that it nearly drilled all of the way through Mars, while antipodal to the impact caused the massive Tharsis Bulge; the impact crater being 3.12 miles deep and 1243 miles across; the antipodal Tharsis uplift being 6 miles in height and 2000 miles across. This is only a single example of the massive pelting Mars endured as the surface layer of Mars was lifted into the Martian stratosphere, only to rain back down again; leaving a bullet entry and an attempted exit wound, and quite a crack in the global egg!
The fact still remains that a planet previously residing between Mars and Jupiter vanished in a fit of violence, pelting everything in its vicinity. It is difficult to intuit what assorted set of exotic forces would have been unleashed by such a display of chaos. The other fact is that something massive occurred in our neighborhood of the solar system, not billions upon billions of years ago, but around 12,000 BCE, responsible for kicking the Earth out of the last ice age, causing the physical North Pole to be displaced from its prior location; centered on the Hudson Bay, to where it is now. The resulting flash melt would have unleashed waves of water, cresting mountaintops, washing down through the flood plains.
The question is: were both Earth and Martian events coincidental, as Hancock ponders in his: The Mars Mystery? I tend to think so! Is it possible our dating apparatus for such things has been obfuscated by those very same gate keepers in need of an unwitting labor force?
Even so, no matter how you slice it, it’ll always be an electric universe, for even the solid ‘appearance’ of suns and planets are only an illusive, vaporous, coagulation of energy; as too are you and I.
Image of tharsis bulge on left and Hellas impact basin on right:
Hellas basin impact:
Map of U.S. superimposed over Valles Marineris :
amunaor, sorry for the slow reply, but thank you very much for the images of Mars showing impact, bulge, and scar – very telling. I’m not sure what the white features are on the bulge image, but what do you think about the largest one?… doesn’t it look sort of like the Cydonia face?!
Another related brainwave: I’ve been very curious as to how the huge Göbekli Tepe site in Turkey could have been so thoroughly buried under 20 ft of sand/debris, roughly 8-10,000 yrs ago. Recalling Thornhill about anomalous surface deposits being lifted up and dumped from space in a matter of hours as a result of electrical storms, I’m wondering if such an event might have been responsible for the Göbekli Tepe burial. Robert Schoch suggests that it was intentionally buried in an attempt to protect it from plasma phenomena going on at the time. He suggests why, but not how it was accomplished, which seems like a massive feat. He refers to his book ‘Forgotten Civilization: The Role of Solar Outbursts in Our Past and Future’, which I have not read. But see his website if you’re interested.
Anyway, just some fun, speculative dot-connecting which is so easy to indulge in here at GDS.
Thanks bdw000 for “looking” at this from other perspectives. I hadn’t thought or known of the “electricity” angle.
And, thanks Margaret for the above link.
“Garbage In/Garbage Out” is ever present; especially, when not apparent in the frame.
you could be very right, Dr. Farrell- and considering the Nazi belief(s) (if my other read sources are correct) that mankind came to earth to escape Mars (one just needs to know the source of the word Aryan = Ares = Aries = Mars) this makes sense- and Aries is the designated 1st sign of the zodiac- and if my read sources are correct the Arabic name for Cairo is El Khahira (sp.?) which means Mars-
it gets better: every country has a designated international lettering: most are obvious: USA, CAN, AUS, F, D, etc. (Turkey is TR) but Egypt is….
ET (I’m not kidding)
Some ancient African legends (Credo Mutwa) hold that the Hebrews were originally inhabitants of Mars, resettled on Earth after a calamity befell their planet.
Also as the flora in the Voynich manuscript clearly is not native to Earth, certain theorists hold that the existing 16th century manuscript is a copy of a much earlier document, possibly brought to Earth from Mars or elsewhere.
would interest me greatly if you could provide a link where Credo Mutwa actually stated that ‘Hebrews’ were anything whatsoever-
Shlomo Sand’s “The Invention of the Jewish People” is a great reference (just for starters) to dispelling the neighborhood rumor that Jews/Hebrews (whatever labeling fits one’s “soup du jour”) have any kind of a genetic (let alone historical) connection to one particular folk-
then throw in the Mormon belief system that Native Americans are a lost Jewish tribe- it gets crazier by the minute-
stay well- regards-
Larry in Germany
Mars, as well as the Earth were involved in the same solar system wide cataclysmic event.
Both planets having been satellite/moons of the missing planet – an area now occupied by remnants of a debris field left in the aftermath of the event – harbor evidence of this.
To salvage life, a number of migratory events would have taken place prior to, during and after the event. This is not something that occurred and diminished within a few days, but would have left chaos to resonate for a lengthy number of decades before dissipating. In fact, some of the meteorite fields the Earth passes, cyclically, through, such as Enki’s tail; the worst; harboring plant killers, may still be dodging artifacts from this Zep Tepi moment.
Velikovsky: Worlds in Collision (The sudden appearance of Venus)
Graham Hancock: Under World and The Mars’ Mystery (Grand Canyon crack in the Earth; massive mountaintop wash down through the flood plains, leaving a savage agglomeration of debris in the Gulf of Mexico; the physical North Pole violently wrenched from prior location – centered over the Hudson Bay – to where it is now)
The Biblical Flood happen Mars that would be interesting but what was the date of the Mars Flood?
Everywhere you go, there you are again, another flood epic.
Well, anyway, my first thought was, “Noah? …and just what kind of ‘ark’?”
Any idea why the jpeg in the CS Monitor article is labeled “indonesia” when one down loads it?
Another puzzle piece put in place?