Most of the readers here know I have my own interpretation of The Roswell Incident, and that it does not include (1) ETs or (2) Balloons (be they weather balloon, Japanese balloon bombs, or Mogul balloons). With that in mind, there's now this revelation - a couple of years old now -  if, indeed, a revelation is what it is:

Von Braun at Roswell

Well, for those who've read Roswell and the Reich, there really is nothing new here. By now it seems a fairly reasonable assumption that the Nazi scientists in New Mexico were most likely consulted on their opinion of what the wreckage was, assuming, of course, that it was not a balloon of any sort. Indeed, I argued from context that it was likely that Von Braun, Debus, and others were consulted, and the MAJIC-12 Cooper-Cantwheel documents indicate that they were (provided, of course, one takes them as authentic or at least semi-authentic "disinformation" containing a kernel of truth).

Sadly, there is no argument here, only assertion. We have what has become a standard Roswell methodology: posthumous second-hand dead man's testimony, all in implicit confirmation of the ET interpretation of that Incident, with the usual reference to "the bodies." What never ceases to amaze me is how such stories - in this case, some decades after the event, can gain any traction or attention at all.

Perhaps I am intransigent, or perhaps just not possessed of the elevated consciousness of the Roswell Faith, for to this day, I simply do not see this event in terms of the dialectic that I believe the military deliberately concocted to deal with what, for it, was a political and scientific hot potato, namely, that there were post-war fascists out there, flying around in some pretty sophisticated equipment. No ETs (in this case) needed. It's like watching the playbook of the banksters: it's old, it's been done before. You need something new, guys, not more tiresome secondhand dead-man's testimony.

See you on the flip side....

Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. p on March 11, 2013 at 5:50 am

    what are people’s thoughts on David Flynn’s interpretation of the Roswell event?


  2. bdw000 on March 10, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    ” You need something new, guys, not more tiresome secondhand dead-man’s testimony.”

    But that ‘s the point: they DON’T need something new. The old stuff just keeps on working for 90% or more of the population.

    Mind control is such a wonderful thing.

  3. Miguel on March 10, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    In response to p,

    I had the exact same doubt for years…how did they go from the Bell to a saucer in a matter of years following the fall of Berlin…

    1.- It was never a saucer but something resembling a saucer.

    The following piece of disinformation below came out shortly after Dr Farrell’s publication of his Roswell account:


    Whatever crashed there did not have to a saucer, but may have looked similar to one or much different from a conventional plane to be identified as a plane, being credited as a saucer at first sight.

    In the link above they tells us without supporting evidence that the origin of the crashed object was “Russian”.

    Also note in the link, how they “white arm” that would have held the propeller of such plane looks like it has been juxtaposed right inside of what really looks to me like a jet engine rather than a propeller. In other words, that white arm and its fake shadow around the rim of the engine was not originally there.

    Whoever is behind the hoax is trying to make us believe there was a propeller all along or trying to divert attention elsewhere since it is so poorly done. Who knows?

    That plane could be some hollow structure from a Star Wars movie…but they do go at some lengths trying to swing the origin from German to Russian.

    So if Dr Farrell was so far off the mark, the Roswell Disinformation Bureau would have never bothered to counter Dr Farrell’s account of Roswell a single digit number of months after his publication of “Roswell and the Reich

    2.- If indeed what fell there was a saucer of German origin like the ones that popped up everywhere in the 50’s and 60’s, only two years following the fall of Berlin…it would point to the fact that the “off-shore” arms program of the Fascist International may have been brewing overseas for many decades, possibly even as early as post-WWI in an attempt to scape confiscation. Watch the movie Notorius by Alfred Hitchcock!

    • p on March 11, 2013 at 5:15 am

      even if it wasn’t a real standard flying saucer, still they would’ve gone from the Bell, an experimental prototype of an anti-gravity device (and much more maybe), to a somewhat functioning flying craft, that is applied propulsion device, in two years.. Seems a bit of a leap to me. Wouldnt they have spent the years ’45-’50 getting settled in Soutch America, setting up their projects etc. ? Instead of immediately flying over the US’s most sensitive area’s, crashing, giving away their technology, their presence..
      I enjoy the Nazi angle on Roswell, and appreciate it, but I find it hard to swallow because I don’t see the timeline or logic from Nazi point of view.

      • Miguel on March 11, 2013 at 8:31 pm

        Again, I recommend you watch Hitchcock’s Notorius, if you have not done so.

        Apparently Hitchcock himself was summonned by the FBI to explain how he had gotten wind of an established German Industrial-Weapons complex present in South America.

        In the film, someone makes a comment to the effect that they had been down there since WW1.

        It is highly likely that private german corporations kept their secret development programs in off-shore safe-havens.

        The Nazi period was an interval and it seems very unlikely there was a consensus among the barons to go along with Hitler’s agenda all the way.

        We are dealing with a historic aristocracy, former land-owners, now industrialists whose roots go back centuries to Holy-Roman Empire.

  4. LSM on March 10, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    if anyone is interested do check out Vinny Eastwood’s latest interview with Mike Sparks (assuming one is aware of Sparks and what he represents/knows):

    http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Vinny-Eastwood-32k-022813.mp3 (start it after ca. the 10 min. mark or so to access Sparks)-

    Sparks states/endorses in this interview that Roswell was a terrestrial craft

  5. Robert Barricklow on March 10, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    Tried to get this at appropriate post but couldn’t get past “explorer”. It’s about the current worldwide financial stranglehold.


    Aprox 1 hr.

    • Margaret on March 10, 2013 at 7:45 pm

      Progressive Radio News Hour – John McMurtry – 03/10/13
      Here are the shortcuts …
      website: urlin.it/3975a
      podcast only: urlin.it/3975b

      • Robert Barricklow on March 12, 2013 at 3:40 pm

        I emailed myself a copy then simply copied it. But it didn’t take.
        Can you give an example of how your above numbers apply to the aforementined News Hour?

        • Margaret on March 12, 2013 at 5:26 pm

          Apologies, Robert. They’re short urls, not hot-linked, to be copied/pasted into browser address bar. They‘ll bring up the actual address. I was trying to avoid being ‘moderated’ for putting in the full address . . .

          this is for the webpage:

          this is just for the podcast:

          • Robert Barricklow on March 12, 2013 at 8:05 pm

            Thanks Margaret.
            Interesting thoughts you expressed on the planets and their “electrical” force(s) interplay.
            Enjoy your posts & your helping hand.

          • Margaret on March 12, 2013 at 9:41 pm

            Most welcome Robert … and likewise your many perceptive and witty gems.

  6. p on March 10, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    But how could they have gone from the Bell to flying saucers in just a couple of years?

    • bdw000 on March 10, 2013 at 10:38 pm

      The standard story is that “they” were working of flying saucers in Germany since right after World War ONE.

      If that is true (and I have no idea if it is), then the Bell was a parallel project which the saucers did not depend on.

  7. DownunderET on March 10, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    I think most people have their own view and opinion of Roswell and I think the jury is still out.

    I’m of the opinion that it was some sort of flying disc and I’m also one that think that there is a certain amount of truth in Col. Corso’ book “The Day After Roswell”.

    There are some really interesting interviews with people associated with the Roswell incident on the two “Witness Testimony” DVD’ put out by The Disclosure Project. Now I’m not saying that I believe in the so called “Disclosure” event happening anytime soon, I’m just saying that the interviews are very good. The point I’m trying to make here is, they ALL cant be lying, so where most people go with the conspiracy theory that there was a disc of some sort, and then the “switcherooo” to the balloon, is a good theory allbeit disinformation.

    So once agin we are left with the conundrum, did the Nazi’ have a disc or was it Marduk in his sports model?

    The defence rests it’s case.

    • bdw000 on March 12, 2013 at 3:06 pm

      “they ALL cant be lying”

      Sure they can ALL be lying. PIece of cake. I’m not saying I know that they are all lying, just that logically, it is extremely plausible that they are ALL lying.

  8. Jon on March 10, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    This article is in direct opposition to the remarks of Carol Rosin, whom I regard as a much more reliable source, have actually been documented to have worked with Von Braun.

    It is as absolute a certainty as one can have that the Army would have consulted with its “German scientists” on such a find, whether it was ET or not. To have such a resource so close and not use it in such an extreme case is unthinkable in the extreme.

    However, what comes after is just the same old ET playbook. Given the level of secrecy and what was at stake for Von Braun at the time, I doubt he would just blurt out such a powerful secret to a stranger at a convention. He would be far more likely to spin the agreed upon cover story, or the second layer cover story, than to tell the truth.

    His remarks to Rosin were near the end of his life, when he would have had less fear of revealing the truth. That, with the fact that events have played out very much like he told her they would, is strong reason to question this guy’s story.

    • LSM on March 10, 2013 at 7:08 pm

      Hi Jon,

      don’t know if you (or anyone else) has seen the History Channel’s documentary on von Braun’s life- he died a rather bitter man who felt used and subsequently discarded by NASA- no wonder he blew the whistle

    • p on March 11, 2013 at 5:47 am

      on the other hand, he seems to have been a true believing card-carrying nazi till the end, maybe his telling Rosin was just part of the scheme. who really knows?

  9. marcos toledo on March 10, 2013 at 11:53 am

    There is another possibility I read of rumors there were two crashes at Roswell. Could be that military had two problems on their hands the Nazis were still in business and we were not alone in this galaxy. Because the best lie is the one that closest to the truth if were the crash of one vehicle they could pass it off as a accident which happen while they were testing some vehicle. The pilots were killed and they midgets due to the cramp space in the vehicle. That would covered all bases and about killed the rumors or at lest damp them.

  10. Don B on March 10, 2013 at 11:41 am

    I would take McClelland’s assertions with a gain of salt. NASA was, and probably still is, a giant disinfo and misinfo agency of monumental proportions. I’ll leave it at that and will not entertain debate.


  11. Robert Barricklow on March 10, 2013 at 8:17 am

    I really enjoyed that book. Pulled the layers of deceptions off, one by one. Real scholarly piece of detective work. Sort of a non-fiction “Amazinng Stories”. One of my all time favorites.

  12. QuietRiot on March 10, 2013 at 7:30 am

    It’s interesting, to read McClellan’s entire website, as I am now doing. One interesting bit of information can be found at this link:


    Given Joseph’s book on the Assas. of JFK, and his apparent moves towards using space as a way to unite humanity and end the threat of total war, this visit would both invite questions, and suggest a deeper story. What did McClennan do that deserved such a patch? Was there a competition between FL and TX over NASA? Why would the president be visiting?

    • amunaor on March 10, 2013 at 11:48 am

      That’s certainly not a ‘surprise’ one finds at the bottom of a Cracker-Jack box!

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