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HUMAN-NEANDERTHAL REMAINS DISCOVERED?

This has been a banner period for interesting news from the mainstream that has huge implications for the themes and concepts long followed and advanced in the alternative research/truth community, and many of you sent me this one. Last Tuesday, for example, I blogged about the fascinating article about the possibility of an encoded "ET" message existing within our DNA. The article was submitted to the prestigious scientific journal Icarus, and as I indicated Tuesday, if subsequent scientific research confirms the findings, then it will be more grist for the mill of the physicists studying the Anthropic principle, it will be even more grist for those astronomers and biologists who have long argued for a panspermia hypothesis to explain the spread of life throughout the galaxy... and of course, that in turn has huge implications for those of us who, on the basis of looking at certain ancient texts, argue that they might be talking - albeit in garbled language - of some sort of ancient contact between Earth and extraterrestrial life.

On the other side of the coin, if one looks at human origins from the twin perspectives of genetics and ancient texts, the idea that humanity emerged from the deliberate mixing of a hominid native to earth and a hominid from somewhere else may be entertained as a hypothesis. In this perspective, it has been assumed by both mainstream and alternative researchers that modern man and Neanderthal man coexisted at some point, and that they may have interbred. Indeed, according to some scientific studies, there may be as much as 4% Neanderthal DNA in modern human DNA, indicating precisely such an interbreeding of hominids. It isn't exactly what the ancient texts indicate, but it is an interesting context from which to view them.

In that light, consider this interesting bit of news:

First love child of human, Neanderthal believed found

The statement that leaps out in this article, is this one:

"The genetic analysis shows that the individual’s mitochondrial DNA is Neanderthal. Since this DNA is transmitted from a mother to her child, the researchers conclude that it was a 'female Neanderthal who mated with male Homo sapiens.'"

Now for those who have looked at the ancient Mesopotamian texts will recall, those texts indicate that in the gods' engineering of mankind, they took an already existing female hominid on earth, and a male from their own "divine" population, and "mated" them.  Granted, the article's statement is not really confirmation of the ancient story, but it is a loose corroboration that we are looking at a very large picture.

I would therefore argue something else: that it is confirmation of a methodological assumption that I and many others have advocated, namely, that a true solution of the question of human origins will have to be a genuinely interdisciplinary one, encompassing science, to be sure, but also an approach to those ancient texts that tries to find points of contact and reconciliation between them and scientific findings. Careful sifting of such points of contact may aid critical scholars in shedding further light on the editorial agendas behind each ancient tradition.  Perhaps that is why so many object to the whole enterprise of looking for such points: agendas, even ancient one, might be exposed.

See you on the flip side.

20 thoughts on “HUMAN-NEANDERTHAL REMAINS DISCOVERED?”

  1. I wonder what Dr. Melba Ketchum and her team would have to say about this topic-

    Ketchum seems to have disappeared in the aethers (or was forced there)- does anyone have any new info about her?- if so please inform!-

    Larry

  2. This not the first claim of Neanderthal-Cro-magnon interbreeding. There is the two children skeletons one in Israel and the other a four year old in Portugal. As to being the result of a rape there is a rumor of a female Alma baring children as the result of being used as a sex slave after she was captured.Though in Clan Of The Cave Bear it’s the other way around.

  3. Frankie,

    You said, “Killing us off like buffalo!”

    That’s a sad but unique commentary! I like it very much.

    Talking about ‘glow in the dark antenias to trick the prey deep down where there’s barely any light — How about the fish they found with no eyes! (Now what would eyes be used for in an environment with no life — just a useless appendage like buffalo or even us?)

    They say people who live in the High Planes of New Mexico where the air is thinner have generally ‘larger lungs’ and have no trouble learning how to float. I don’t know how true this is but it sounds reasonable. (then again I heard they have to spend more money at the gas pump because less oxygen in the air hence burns more gas?. (That’s another story that may be just a ‘rumour’ but again it sounds reasonable.)

    Well anyway Frankie — next time you see a “Cutie” that glows in the dark on the dance floor–WATCH OUT! She may be a MAN-EATER, HA, HA!

    Have a great day and I yet to have a BUFFALO BURGER! Ask Farrell what they taste like for he might know. He lives out that way.

    1. I said Life instead of ‘light’ in the above post but even when I’m off I’m not too far off because Life isn’t exactly abundant down there give or take a couple of billion micro-organisms.

    2. Robert Barricklow

      Had a buffalo burger in Bangkok.
      Water buffalo, that is.
      Orderred hamburger, but got a close facsimile.
      When your hungry, it all taste very good,
      …even hamburger.

      1. hello Robert,

        Margaret said she liked our little dialogue on books we read. Maybe we should make her happy by continuing it?

        I finally got Dispelling wetiko. By the way, thanks for the heads up. It seems Archetypal Psychology is finally getting political even if the language is still a little too New Agey.. The other book I also got in the mail — Madness at the Gates of the City is also ‘political’ and loaded with mythological matches to present day conditions. Something long awaited by people who don’t benefit from Archetypal psychology finnancially?

        It’s not too wise to get as political or bold as Farrell for it alienates, for sure, potential consumers but not us. But I imagine conditions in the US are getting so bad people who usually ‘go along to get along’ are starting to gripe and complain — even the timid fence-sitters. (it’s funny how they resist and it’s cute for ‘smashing the machine’ to them is like saying “OH FUDGE!”)

        You are right Robert —It’s all in the language one uses. If there is one element that can define our human(ism) that is Language. Animals don’t need it. In fact it would just fu$k them up if they used it. A grunt, growl, stance, sniff, or yelp does just fine for them.

        I think the wetiki book’s problem will be with the use of different as Arny Mendel talks about (referenced in the beginning of the book) sensual MODALITIES.

        If you cant see it something than just switch ‘senses.’ Sniff it for example or even better if it is ‘invisible’ use your properceptive sense of body location to spot the trickster in the dark or what he Spector calls EDGE phenomena that distracts us from our goals or direction.

        That the problem —DIRECTION — he talks of non-local space but like in a true experiment in non-local space,(an oxymoron) they cant be any direction.

        One good thing about Spector the author that I really like is in the “Thanks and all praises’ talking about 1st, 2cd and 3rd generations. I know he knows about the 4th dimension or 4th generation BUT FINDING A LANGUAGE SYSTEM(???-maybe no system at all) will be a doZy!

        Farrell mentions the ‘code’ in language having something to do with mathematics and music. I am sorry I can follow that for it’s much too complicated for my fragile sometimes ‘eggshell’ mind. I do understand some ‘hex’ was implanted in language something like original sin implanted in spermazo-ah!

        I said enough. You say you had experience concerning the Indochina Theater. Sorry to hear that. It makes me realize even though we can be on the same page — we are really miles apart when it comes to what we may want to know or discover. Yes — it’s the journey but I still like ENDS! ( one moment at the very end can make a world of difference. Maybe that’s the dinosaur Catholic in me? They said that about Baudelaire and I am not comparing my self to that Giant. It was more like an accusation against Baudelaire the Poet. I imagine his last moments were not exactly like that. Baudelaire had more up his sleeve than that. Any magician knows that trick about ‘edge phenomina or distraction. It’s Old hat but evidently Spector doesn’t? Also by the way that Arny Mendel Worked with the dying — maybe he was one of the reincarnated egyptian priests who helped pharoh off in his last day. Speculation, speculation, Whimsical Speculation!)

        Have a fine day and use your properceptive senses so no one can sneak up on you Intellectually? Si!

        Oh yes – Spector calls himself a ‘FRACTAL!” I never heard anyone call them-self that before. Something New??????? (or just getting in on this quantum phase or fad or Bandwagon?)

        1. I screwed up big time. In the excitement of finding two books I like jaded as I am—(remember that?) I got names mixed up. Spector wrote about the generations. The wetiko book is by Paul Levy which you already know.

          Aside from that ‘stupdy'(demonstrated linguistically by the lack of an “i” in that word and the use of an adverb instead of an adjective!) mistake I’ll be using the two books interchangeably because I am looking for something — to see how far they have improved and digressed from big-daddeo — Carl Jung for I am a deano-saur who still sticks to Classical Jungism! (and if someone should say I take too many liberties on Farrell site then read what Jung wrote about ALCHEMY and see if there’s any connection???????)

          In the acknowledgement section of the Weitiko book he wrote this sentence — “I’d like to thank all of my friends at Sound Grounds CAFE” in Portland, Oregon, which is where most of this book was written.”

          Good old Paree in the nineteen twenties! I like that a lot! He might have won my favor even if your complaint is legitimate? Not too many Hemingways around! (I’ll settle for a few ‘meat poets” but only if iT doesn’t come out of a Buffalo’s hide for I am in Solidarity with Injuns, ha, ha!)

          1. Robert Barricklow

            I was in the middle of my reply to you Paul when the computer cut me off. This was on my end. To what ends I owe that glitch is probably systemic in the system(as programmed nuisance for the “unclean”).
            So I was “buffuloed” once again and had to eat it. Problem resolved, temper tempered, somewhat.
            I liked your use of the word “fu$k” and I’am stealin it. I done that alot at this site. There’s alot of great stuff to “steal” here.. As far as the “journey” goes, it’s simply an ends to a mean. Point being, as Margaret reminds us, enjoy life!
            Speaking of journey, books, & enjoy; check out The Journeyer by Gar Jennings. It’s the x-rated version of Marco Polo’s journey(the vatican has that most popular copy).
            Right now I’am reading The Boy from Reactor 4. What I like most about this fiction work is the plot revolves around the Vorskoi Mir, The Thieves’ World. The literal translation of Vory v Zakony formed in prison in 1682 under Peter the Great Their members swear alliegance to an austere code of ethics. They were traditionally known for their anti-materialism behavior. Sometimes they gave back to the poor in their communities, Like Robin Hood. Their numbers are dwindling. It’s old-school. During Stalin’s Bitches War, the bitches perished, the very true vory survived.
            I cut that short, but you get the idea. a reverse Wall Street that rules the world today, at lest on one level.
            You should get Columbus & Other Cannibals and compare. Chow.

          2. Hello Robert,

            I wonder about all the gilches lately on Farrell’s web-site? I keep on getting the mobile version and have to push the desktop reference. I know Farrell was trying to add features to make access easier for his viewers but sometimes it’s better not to ‘fix things that don’t need fixing?” Who knows – maybe some of these gilchs aren’t gilchs but ‘hanky-panky?

            Rich Man’s society tells us we’re just nobodies or Zeros but secretly the burnt out in creativity flunkies who serve their masters could be data-mining ideas expressed on this web site. (stealing like you pleasantly put it.) Especially if you consider the underground financing as mentioned in CWBC. Could be someone doesn’t exactly like Farrell ‘letting (blabbing) the cat out of the bag.” I don’t think they appreciate what he has to say ‘going viral!” Just a hunch or an intuitive shooting my arrows 100 miles off course in the forest.

            I do know once someone gets close to ‘something’ funny – Synchronistic phenomena start occurring. These experiences don’t have any direct causation one can find ‘except’ the meaning we feel is contained in the event. In a way we induce meaning where none existed but that isn’t exactly how it works. I believe the phenomena is ‘inducing meaning in us and we’re just trying to take the credit for being so smart in connecting the dots, ha, ha!

            I flew off the edge last night in this all-about-me business. It’s because I am trying to start where I left off in ‘Lucid Dreaming but am now doing it MY WAY! (It has risks similar to taking Psychadelics but without the nasty side effects?) This morning I will alter my approach a bit.

            I did look up on Amazon the book you recommended by Gar Jennings. I wish I read him when I was a young boy. Those kind of adventure stories are most appreciated at that age. I looked up the Boy from Reactor 4. Indeed, very interesting. (Telsa’s fictional daughter is it?)

            Now that the Soviet Union is no more — strange stuff is coming out from what was formally called the Eastern Bloc. It’s about time but 20yrs is about right for the good stuff to start surfacing. Baudrillard predicted that in the coming yrs just after the fall ‘All the shit will be coming to the surface now that the ‘DEEP FREEZE’ or block of ice is melting.” (Baltic wars for instance)

            Just like those ‘rebels’ from down South I use to meet in the military always harping about ‘The South Will Rise Again.” I used to tease them by responding that ‘SHIT FLOATS! That in turn got their ‘goats’ just as much as they got mine. Tit for Tat revenge is sweet when served as a hot dish.!

            That aside I hear very good things coming out of Poland and a few other countries in that part of the World. It’s real good to hear the people from there express or communicate their ‘experiences’ for it DISPELLS the myths that are mesmerizing us! Kind of makes us realize there are other ways of living or should I say ‘being?”

            You references brought to my mind the David Bowie movie called “The Boy Who Fell From Space?” In it is a scene where he is in his large living room with about a hundred TVs turned on from I guess about 20 or 30 different countries or languages. AND implied in that scene is his comprehending every single one of them — all at once(ness) I said to my-self that old hippie jargon —-WOW! to that implication. And WE with our mostly ONE TRACK MINDS! (The Transhumanists much be having orgasims viewing stuff like that, ha, ha!)

            Eventually I’ll probably read Columbus and Other Cannibals? This Jack Forbes guy was, I heard, in on the early start of the American Indian (AIM) Movement. I heard it split into two fractions? Not unusually considering all the underhanded shit the FBI does. Well, he must have belonged to the ‘other’ side or fraction for his name is new to me. I was on the Delora, Means, and Churchill side of it?

            _____

            Well I was poking around trying to catch up on the advancements made in Lucid Dreaming for it’s been a while since I studied that stuff. Looking for the easy-way-out or herbal aids to add or induce Fully Conscious Dreams and I stumbled onto a herb named Calea Zacatechichi or Calea Ternifolia. Did you know that you can buy sic ‘legal’ mushrooms off the net? New to me for since Ethnobiology has made significant breakthroughs much is available that nobody’s even heard of 20 yrs. ago. (I decided against it for it was a slightly costly (I’m a cheapskate) and it would defeat the purpose of my initial desire for Lucid Dreaming or attaining — A psychodelic experience (consciousness-raising) although a shortened version of it without the chemical side-effects. Kind of like going on vacation every night for free. (Who needs Norweigin Lines, ha, ha!)

            Jump into that EGO Tunnel for Free in TransPersonal LaLa land! Very good in keeping the Spirit Alive! Put another way — Traveling the Royal Path of DREAMS or practicing ‘Raga Yoga’ the Postmodern Way!

            Nothing but the best for this guy, ha, ha!

            Have a good day — THIS VERY DAY = TODAY and watch out for the ‘radioactive wetiko” when ingesting unknown GMO foods!

          3. Robert Barricklow

            Paul, that reminds me of Graham Hancock’s, The War On Consciousness video,
            that was just recently banned on Ted Talk.

  4. Robert Barricklow

    Like Chomsky, when asked about Western democracy.
    He replied something like,
    I think it’s a good idea.

    Democracy still hasn’t happened.

  5. Frankie Calcutta

    My question is: how much fermented goat milk does a male homo sapien have to drink before he will sneak over to the neanderthal camp and fool around with one of their women?

    I think we will find that due to our flimsy, vulnerable atmospheres we have had to hop from one planet or Moon to the next since our DNA was sprinkled here millions of years ago. The homonids who bred with the Earth neanderthals could very well have just been returning to a planet they seeded millions of years prior. The neanderthals could just be an evolutionary off shoot from them. I think we are just going to be going in circles trying to peel this onion. We’ll find we are just one big incestuous family.

    1. Frankie Calcutta

      I imagine when the Breakaway Civilization returns to Earth hundreds of years from now following one of their mining expeditions or conquests, the Earthlings who stayed behind will be a completely different species to them after all the DNA altering GMO crap kicks in. In fact, we will be an entirely different hominid from them but they will breed with us none the less because that is what hominids do when they are drunk and lonely. And thousands of years from now geneticists, archaeologists, anthropologists, etc. will be stumped at what took place at this particular place in time and will not have answers as to why the homo sapien split into a two separate species all the sudden.

      I would also bet the returning Breakaway Civilization homo sapiens will start killing us like buffalo because we will be different from them and most likely much stupider. In fact, too stupid to even serve as slaves in their gold mines here and out in the galaxy.

      1. Frankie Calcutta

        This may seem outlandish, but considering there is an estimated 150 trillion dollars worth of mineral wealth below the oceans, would it be likely the Breakaway Civilization could be breeding a fish-man to to harvest these minerals? A creature who could breath under water, maneuver easily underwater, withstand the incredible pressure being so far below sea, and, while we are at it, glow in the dark? And haven’t we seen these creatures before in legends? The siberian aquaman, the mermaids, etc. Were they created by someone a longtime ago to harvest the treasure of gold at the sea floor? Could our GMO diet be an insidious plan to turn us into sea creatures to be used to work below the oceans? or better yet, has the Breakaway Civilization already canvased the planet they will soon mine and they are creating a creature, through GMO foods, to work in that un-Earthly environment? The sky is the limit with these guys.

        I really got to stop procrastinating and work on my taxes.

  6. I’m back. I just read the first paragraph of the Anthropic Principle in Quack-a-PEDIA. Here goes:

    “In Astrophysics and Cosmology, the Anthropic Principle (from Greek, anthropos, human) is the philosophical consideration that observations of the physical Universe must be compatible with the life that observes it. As a result they believe it is unremarkable that the Universe’s fundamental constants happen to fall within the narrow range thought to be compatible with Life. (1)”

    (^Anthropic Principle# James Schombe Department of Physics at University of Oregon)

    P.S. Don’t fry me for the reference ‘style’ for I’m just copying what’s there? (it can be a bit tricky for now you see the wave and now you don’t? They amend wickapedia)

    __________________

    Often than not I like what Quack-a-pedia offers but this is not really Philosophy nor is it scientific language mixed in with some vague truth?

    The first ‘red flag’ is the words ‘MUST BE’ followed by or add to ”’ as a result they believe….

    Firstly, there are no musts. Secondly, the word believe — a double entry for while the claim has the sounding of science the word believe…clues you in!

    That’s enough of this crap! Now that we don’t believe in the Bible anymore I should look up the real bible for non-believers and that is the text of funky -Wagganal or the devil-be-damned Webster’s Dictionary or Text.

    But I wont for I get the picture of what Anthropic Principle principle elements mean.

    So what if I observe something that is not ‘compatible’ to my 5% conscious-brain. (What happens to the (95% of my brain that is UNCONSCIOUS!)

    Folks, have a good day and you don’t have to answer my question unless your UNCONSCIOUS wants to say PEEK-A-BOO, ha, ha! (what’s this about rolling a ball in front of a child and when the ball hides behind something the ball no longer exists to the child. i think this guy at U – Oregon should read up on it? Maybe there’s a little developmental problem still hanging around, ha, ha! (if there is I’ll charge him 200 bucks an hour to find it, ha, ha!)

    I’m taking this TOO FAR! (that’s if he,Schombe, wasn’t taken out of context. Quack-a-pedia is famous for that!)

    1. Robert Barricklow

      Another fine take paul de gagne.
      This is why I enjoy reading your posts –

      perceptive

  7. Doc, here’s a recent interview with Gordon Duff on ET, UFOs and the traitorous “breakaway civilization”.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4j3MVxjkyE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    Here’s what I don’t get: why would the banksters go through all the trouble of “globalizing” the economies of most countries around the world for the last 40-50 years only to have it all come to an abrupt, pre-planned end where the majority of the global population is decimated? Centralization of manufcturing?

    Strange times.

  8. I found a new word today in the above article —ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE. I have a funny feeling I already know what it means but I’m going to take the time to look that word up?

    As far as the word pan-spermia that also was a new word but the idea behind it is rather old. I think it was St. Augustus who first claimed the ‘ORIGINAL SIN” was transferred to the son or daughter or offspring through the male sperm. (it’s rediculus to to say male-sperm but this business of having 3 parents, one doesn’t know what to expect anymore, ha, ha!)

    So the “hex” planted in the DNA Code is Original Sin. Oh — that is just nice?

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