Joseph talks about asteroid mining, secret space programs, the breakaway civilization, and the new movie Elysium.

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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. Spirit Splice on April 12, 2013 at 6:25 pm

  2. Frankie Calcutta on April 12, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    On the subject of new movies and Covert Wars I would whole heartily recommend the new movie The Great Oz. In light of the information in Covert Wars regarding tornadoes, the movie took on an entirely new dimension and Frank Baum, the author of the Oz books, is clearly a genius who knew a few things most people did not about tornadoes. Could the Oz books be true stories? I don’t know much about the author and regretfully I didn’t read his books as a kid. but it is never too late and I look forward to finding out more about him.

    The movie was superbly done and a pleasure to look at.

  3. Robert Barricklow on April 12, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Speaking of “new” movies, I just finished Killing Me Softle. In the Bonus section the director/writer says the movie is about the crime of stealing the nation’s wealth by a criminal syndicate that did it first in the early 1930s after the orchestrated 1929 crash, and then again inthe the orchestrated meltdown of 2008. He implied that it is ongoing.
    At the end of the movie the hitman goes to get paid by the elite’s interface(in the background is Obama on TV talking about no being red states or blue states, but bein the United States).

    Obama on TV/A fundamental truth: Out of many one.
    Elite to Hitman You hear that line? That line’sa for you(pointing to hitman).
    Hitman/Don’t make me laugh(smiling). For one people. A myth created by Thomas Jefferson.
    Elite/Now you’re going to have a go at Jefferson?
    Hitman/My friend, Jefferson’s an American saint. Because he wrote the words all men are created equal. Which clearly he didn’t believe, since he allowed his own children to live in slavery. He’s a rich wise SOB whose sick of paying taxes to the Brits. So yeh, he wrote some lovely words to arose the rabble so they went ou & died for those words, while he sat back, drank his wine and fucked his slave girl. This guy(pointing to TV image of Obama) wants to tell me we’re living in a community. Don’t make me(angry!) laugh!. Iam living in America. And in America your on yoyr own. America’s Not a country. It’s just a business. Now f$$$ing Pay ME!
    [screen goes black. Music, Rock & Rooll Song: The best things in life are free, but you give them to the birds & bees. I Need Money…]

    • Joseph P. Farrell on April 12, 2013 at 11:15 am

      Robert I appreciate your passion but please watch the language, ok?

      • Robert Barricklow on April 12, 2013 at 1:09 pm

        Roger that.

        • Robert Barricklow on April 12, 2013 at 1:36 pm

          At this site, I’am nearly always keying in on serindipity.
          In fact, i seemingly can’t get past serendipitous posts.

          (of course this is date sensitive: 4/12)

          • paul de gagne on April 14, 2013 at 11:18 am

            robert ,

            When I first clicked on that web sight I got a message on how to save on my electric bill. All’s well for i don’t pay for it for it’s included in my section 8 rent.

            Also — this reminds me of a jealous room-mate in this four bedroom apartment I once shared where we weren’t supposed to have overnight guests — well one of them had some pretty nice dates? and our carpet salesmen was quite adament about the rules. Yeah, he once had a position as a carpart salesman for home deport. Did he know it all, ha, ha!

          • Robert Barricklow on April 14, 2013 at 1:32 pm

            Burned by the site?
            Or were those carpet burns?

          • paul de gagne on April 14, 2013 at 2:52 pm

            son of a bitch— I meant HOW TO INFLUNENCE PEOPLE…, HA, HA!



    • paul de gagne on April 13, 2013 at 4:17 am


      Not minding your p’s and q’s. I think Joe would allow Lenny Bruce in here if he did? Then Lenny thought he could ‘have his cake and eat it too.” Lot good it did him in his ‘EARLY GRAVE!”

      I see why you didn’t like this Dispelling Wetiko book. I got a funny feeling why you didn’t may like this book. I am suggesting another for I think it’s an expression of sic ‘wetiko’ more to your liking. It’s by an Italian named Giorgio Agamben called ‘Remnants of Auschwitz: the Witness and the Archive. The ‘mussilmen’ (spelt wrong) he writes about is probably more to your ‘aqquired taste?”(or more to what you are looking for — understanding of the subjective states of Evil! without all the magical nonsense wording!)

      I like the Wetiko book but not for the same reasons you dislike it? I was looking for a short refresher-like course and that book is it! (but I realize it can very easily ALIENATE one if they don’t have a background in it! It’s kind of too New Agey but the guy has to sell his book and I believe in a way he believes in his own ‘wetiko?)

      They allowed this Agamben guy into Warburg’s PRIVATE Library and Archive! Which is a very good indication that he was as close to WETIKO as one can get (and still get out alive! — kind of like shaking Stalin’s Hand!) if all those stories about that FAMILY are true!

      I came across this excellent paragraph in the Dispelling Wetiko book that immediately brought back some memories of reading Farrell’s book — The Philosopher’s Stone. (I admit I read PS too fast, so I cant give my exact reflections on it but I can give a few observations?) and I am beginning to see the deeper relationship it has with Farrrell’s Tranhumanist book?

      Farrell writes a lot about Science but don’t let him kid you — he’s well aware of where science may ‘originate’ from. Some of the DARN-EST PLACES —I think he’s doing a translater’s job in a parallel world. Changing ALCHEMIC LANGUAGE and concepts into Scientific LANGUAGE. It’s difficult. I cant do it justice! But I like to watch attempts? I do like the Transhumanism book better (off as it is…I still like it, hey — no(bad)y’s perfect, even me, ha, ha!) because it’s more in line with older conceptions. (I’m biased.)

      OK — here’s the paragraph but don’t let the sic -“language’ fool you. This can be expressed in more modern terminology so don’t let ‘blinders’ (wetiko you or’ throw you off?

      Page 29 of the wetiko book: – partial paragraph:

      “”””… How we view the role of imagination influences how we in fact imagine, as well as how we respond to the demands of the imagination. In alchemy, the concept of imagination is perhaps the most important key to the understanding of the MAGNUS OPUS, (empathsis his), or “great work.” For the alchemists, the imagination is the divine body in every person, refined, rarefied “subtle body” that is not humanly constructed but divinely implanted in us from a source beyond ourselves. (3) When the alchemists talk about the “imaginative faculty of the soul,” they are giving a clear indication of the secret essence of the alchemical art. The imaginative activity of the soul in which the human imagination participates and bears witness. The human imagination that is imagining/dreaming/creating the whole universe in this very moment. The imagination that the alchemists were interested in was the world-creating imagination of God, the imagination where what is imagined affects what is happening in our world in a way that can only be imagined and is BEYOND IMAGINATION (empathsis is mine this time) at the same time. Through the alchemical art of ‘imaginatio’, the soul is empowered to become an instrument for the divine imagination in such a way that can literally change the world.”

      I will add the footnote 3 that’s at the end of the book for more clarity (3):— “Artist and poet William Blake comments, “The Eternal body of Man is the Imagination, that is God himself.” Blake refers to Jesus as “Jesus the Imagination.” Christ, from the alchemical point of view, is the revelation of the divine imagination itslef, referred to as the ‘Imagined God.” Alchemically speaking, this is the highest compliment.”


      Like I mention earlier on —- don’t let ‘language” you. SUBSTITUTE, SUBSTITUtE, SUBSTITUTE as I IMAGINE FARRELL WOULD SAY (words) into Physics and there you have IT. (of course a couple of courses in mathematical TOPOLOGY AND advanced physics would help but whose got the time for that, ha, ha?)

      also be aware NLP is being used here (?) notice how many times the word ‘imagination’ is being used in that paragraph? ( In a way that’s the author’s own ‘wetiko’ or cult-shit business but he isn’t very good at it so I trust him a little more?)

      Have a good day

      • Robert Barricklow on April 13, 2013 at 7:55 am

        A very “hard”, if not “impossible” point to get across Paul. In part, that’s what puts me off on Levy, & others. It is a matter of “individualism”, a singular viewpoint, in which “imagination” is transformed. But, it is really, an “inner sense”; which, in esssence, is one’s being.
        “imagination” is grasping at a word,
        to encompass,
        smoke & mirrors.
        It is not smoke & mirrors; …of course,


        • Robert Barricklow on April 13, 2013 at 8:05 am

          But there is a way through,
          to be
          as one
          with all
          and it is in “seeing”
          the impossible

          And I suppose, “imagining” is a word, to try & convey
          the impossible

          • Robert Barricklow on April 13, 2013 at 8:05 am


        • paul de gagne on April 14, 2013 at 11:20 am

          Your Avoiding me Robert?

          • paul de gagne on April 14, 2013 at 11:25 am

            That’s OK! I would avoid me TOO! Ha, ah!

            OK — the Giza pyramids is really a weapon — Did you really think about this? I think not!

            I just got in the mail and I’m casting my previous mail aside to read — the Giza Death Star Destroyed— for some clues?

            Oh groupies , ha, ha!

      • Robert Barricklow on April 14, 2013 at 1:37 pm

        Lenny Bruce was played back, by the judge, a tape of Lenny’s cursing.
        “Is that not obscene?” he asked.
        Lenny replied, “Za Za Gabor on the srip(the trail was in Las Vegas), making in two weeks, what a teacher does in a lifetime; that’s Obscene”.

  4. DanaThomas on April 12, 2013 at 3:37 am

    BY THE WAY, the book by Ole Dammegard “Coup d’Etat in Slow Motion”, over 1,000 pages, has recently been made available in English for free download. Talks about the Kennedy-like coverups in the murder of Swedish PM Olaf Palme, his Nazi connections. Also see recent interview on Red Ice Radio. Site for download: . Best regards

    • Miguel on April 12, 2013 at 4:47 am

      The fascist international links to former heads of European socialist parties: Mitterrand, Felipe Gonzalez and Olof Palme would make a fascinating movie.

      Felipe Gonzalez himself was a former youth leader for the Spanish Falange (the Spanish Nazi Party). He was driven to Suresnes (France) where the old Socialist Party old guard gathered to elect a new leader. He was taken there by two heads of a renegade faction within the Spanish Intelligence Service (Skozerny’s boys) that was already working against Franco and Franco appointed replacements in waiting, rather than the old guard…

      The old guard got paid off big cash in hand and offshore Citibank accounts (I met one of them personally and she confirmed it) for letting unknown Felipe Gonzalez take the reins of a hardly known party with less than 1000 clandestine members.

      There was a “reverse take-over” of the Spanish Socialist party by the hardcore Falange members and key grassroot groups. I am pretty sure the same process was engineered accross Europe.

      The renegade faction within the Intelligence Services would later on become the masterminds behind ETA credited assasinations of Franco’s loyal Generals following Franco’s own passing, as well as Franco’s PM (Carrero Blanco) two years before Franco’s natural death in 1975

  5. Miguel on April 12, 2013 at 2:52 am

    I fully subscribe the fact that the Moonrakers have been targetting an Elysium type of breakaway world for a while now and that over the course of the existing century, they will farm out their advanced technologies into civilian applications that we will all pay dearly for here on Planet Earth, once they have crushed the banksters into oblivion…

    Having said all that! It seems to me the more immediate impact of the Elysium movie over the more immediate term is possibly to turn the lower 60% of the population (income bracket) against the upper 39%, while the 1% kind of walks away from it all.

    The more down-to-earth movie goers who don’t have the privilege of reading Giza Death Star on a daily basis could draw an easy connection between Elysium and affluent gated suburban communities/country clubs and so forth…

    The primary target might be this audience. We have already seen a snippet of the theme in the last Batman movie…

    I am afraid we are up against the rise of populist demagogues(jokers & penguins) a-la Beppe Grillo and Berlusconi.

  6. Elm on April 11, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    Seems as if central casting has recruited Hawking.

    Stephen Hawking predicts end-of-Earth scenario

    Like the Malthusians they are – always fear mongoring & conjuring pretexts for extortion. The sky is falling! It’s been falling for centuries. Being the control freaks they are however, they could do something really, really stupid.

  7. brian on April 11, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    By coincidence(?) the first trailer for Elysium is up on IMDb today. One very interesting thing depicted in it is that the “elites” can cure cancer (only for themselves of course). Regarding the release date of 8/9, it makes one wonder if it was chosen as a subtle reference to the anniversary of the Nagasaki bombing (relevant to the “ruined Earth” phrase in the film synopsis).

  8. Robert Barricklow on April 11, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    I wonder sometimes at what makes these, so-called “elites”,
    think they’re “different”? Maybe soon, with new technologies, they can.
    I hope they metamorphasize, into a one way trip of no return.
    Nobody would miss them; except, perhaps,
    other cockroahes …”left-behind”;)

    • henry on April 11, 2013 at 6:47 pm

      Please, compare these “elites” to cockroaches is an insult to cockroaches which are one of the most sucessful species on this planet as they survive by means of numbers, while those “elites” can not evolve beyond that pathetic number of 1%. So basically, they are inferior to cockroaches.

      • Robert Barricklow on April 12, 2013 at 1:13 pm

        Plus, they’re parasites.

  9. DownunderET on April 11, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    NASA can have a grand wish list but the reality is, that it’s going to have to have the money to do it. Now as sure as Anu made little green apples, the US is sometime down the track, going to have a wake up call on it’s government spending (think Greece, Spain, Japan etc).

    Just think what the Earth is going to look like in even 20 years, financially it looks like a slow train wreck, and to say that NASA is going to lasso an asteroid is ludicrous. If our long lost “cousins” are coming back to take possession, then NASA has to have a re-think on it’s schedule.

    Another Hollywood movie on space huh, well they are good at it. My all time number 1 is “Close Encounters”, and only for the fact that the pilots from flight 19 get to come home. And by the way, the jury is still out on flight 19, WHY IS THAT????

  10. Frankie Calcutta on April 11, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    I can imagine a day when our still unperfected asteroid catchers inadvertently increase the amount of asteroid debris hitting the surface of the Earth. When news gets out to the general public how valuable asteroids really are, then these meteors will become the new lottery tickets and everyone will be praying for one to hit their house. I can see the mad mobs now rushing to the scene of the next meteor crash and fighting over the spoils like a crowd in front of Wal Mart before the doors open on that moron holiday known as black Friday. I can also imagine the legal issues that might arise over ownership of meteors with the greedy corporations saying they claim ownership because they touched it first when it was still in space.

    I’m glad to hear mention of that other Breakaway Civilization– the old kids on the block. Are these the same guys we hear about in the ancient legends who always appear after disaster strikes the Earth in order to teach the survivors civilization again? I wonder how they feel about this new Breakaway Civilization? Maybe the war is really between these two? Reading Covert Wars I was wondering if possibly somebody like Yohannes Riyadi is the treasurer of the old Breakaway Civilization?

  11. marcos toledo on April 11, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    I know of a late fifties early sixties B movie whose premise is similar to Elysium. The difference in that film revolve around atomic bomb testing destroying the Earth and the only humans left on the planet were either sterile or mutants the Elites had escape to orbiting space colonies and were called by the left behinds as the Escapes so this idea is a old one.

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