Almost two years ago, I blogged about a story that had made the rounds on the internet. The story concerned an alleged scientist of the human genome project who had conclusively "proven" that so-called "junk DNA" was actually extraterrestrial. Others went on to maintain it actually contained an encoded message. The alleged scientist's name was Dr. Sam Chang, and the story was actually picked up by various alternative media outlets, Art Bell and Jeff Rense among them.

But as I pointed out two years ago, there was a problem: Sam Chang didn't exist:

The Strange Case of Dr Chang and Junk DNA Speculations

The Strange Case of Dr Sam Chang and ET Junk DNA: Part Two: Dying the Waters

But the idea of a connection between extraterrestrials and human junk DNA is a meme that won't go away it seems. For example, Scientific American carried this blog a little less than a year ago:

Communicating with Aliens through DNA

That's not all. One of the regular readers of this site, Mr. Eric U., shared something with me that I simply have to pass along, since it is entirely germane to this meme. It seems that two scientists in the former Soviet republic of Kazakstan,  Vladimir I. shCherbak  and Maxim A. Makukov,  have authored and submitted a paper to the prestigious scientific journal Icarus. The gist of their paper? Not only can one encode messages in DNA, which has a very low noise to signal ratio, but they also argue something else, something truly breathtaking:

"They go on to argue that their detailed analysis that the human genome (map here) displays a thorough precision-type orderliness in the mapping between DNA’s nucleotides and amino acids. “Simple arrangements of the code reveal an ensemble of arithmetical and ideographical patterns of symbolic language.” They say this includes the use of decimal notation, logical transformations, and the use of the abstract symbol of zero. “Accurate and systematic, these underlying patterns appear as a product of precision logic and nontrivial computing,” they assert.

"This interpretation leads them to a farfetched conclusion: that the genetic code, “appears that it was invented outside the solar system already several billions years ago.” This statement endorses the idea of panspermia, the hypothesis that Earth was seeded with interstellar life. It’s certainly a novel and bold approach to galaxy conquest if we imagine this was a deliberate Johnny Appleseed endeavor by super-beings.

"However, there are other possibilities too. I’ve previously written about the far-out notion that the universe we observe was built just for us and exists inside a computer program (with apologies to The Matrix film trilogy). Therefore the idea that some programmer somewhere wrote the genetic code for life in their model universe is consistent with the authors’ suggestions." (See Is An Alien Message Embedded In Our Genetic Code?)

The abstract of their paper for Icarus, tantalizingly entitled "The 'Wow! signal' of the terrestrial genetic code," is even more arresting:

"It has been repeatedly proposed to expand the scope for SETI, and one of the suggested alternatives to radio is the biological media. Genomic DNA is already used on Earth to store non-biological information. Though smaller in capacity, but stronger in noise immunity is the genetic code. The code is a flexible mapping between codons and amino acids, and this flexibility allows modifying the code artificially. But once fixed, the code might stay unchanged over cosmological timescales; in fact, it is the most durable construct known. Therefore it represents an exceptionally reliable storage for an intelligent signature, if that conforms to biological and thermodynamic requirements. As the actual scenario for the origin of terrestrial life is far from being settled, the proposal that it might have been seeded intentionally cannot be ruled out. A statistically strong intelligent-like “signal” in the genetic code is then a testable consequence of such scenario. Here we show that the terrestrial code displays a thorough precision-type orderliness matching the criteria to be considered an informational signal. Simple arrangements of the code reveal an ensemble of arithmetical and ideographical patterns of the same symbolic language. Accurate and systematic, these underlying patterns appear as a product of precision logic and nontrivial computing rather than of stochastic processes (the null hypothesis that they are due to chance coupled with presumable evolutionary pathways is rejected with P-value < 10–13). The patterns display readily recognizable hallmarks of artificiality, among which are the symbol of zero, the privileged decimal syntax and semantical symmetries. Besides, extraction of the signal involves logically straightforward but abstract operations, making the patterns essentially irreducible to natural origin. Plausible ways of embedding the signal into the code and possible interpretation of its content are discussed. Overall, while the code is nearly optimized biologically, its limited capacity is used extremely efficiently to pass non-biological information." (See The “Wow! signal” of the terrestrial genetic code)

This is stunning stuff, but one should urge some caution here: it remains for other scientists to read and digest their paper, and to replicate their results.

If this happens, then, we are in for a possible major paradigm shift, one that could corroborate the speculations of me and others in the alternative research community that indeed there was some sort of "contact" between us and "them" long ago.

All this raises another possibility, one highlighted in my original blogs on the subject: could such inquiries have been conducted for some time covertly? Could such hypothesized covert genetic studies have reached similar conclusions some time before?  If so, then as the "Sam Chang" hoax highlights, maybe the original story was a dyeing and testing of the waters...

...maybe, indeed, we are witnessing a "slow release", a "timed disclosure."   If that is so, and with all the other transhumanist technologies coming into existence, then we are indeed at a crossroads of human history. Time will tell if this DNA message hypothesis will be accepted. We can expect the usual denunciations, questions, from science. That is as it should be. For the implications - as spelled out in the first quotation above - are enormous. We might indeed be living in a holographic universe of pan spermia, a universe where DNA - human DNA - was uniquely engineered, and that in turn will fire even more investigation by physicists who are looking into the various versions - weak, strong, participatory, and final - of the anthropic principle.

See you on the flip side.

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Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. paul de gagne on April 10, 2013 at 8:38 am

    Hello Gang,

    I am reading Michael Cremo’s book “Forbidden Archeology’s IMPACT” very slowly. I only got to page 39. In one of the many conference papers is a conclusion drawn in one of them. It’s as follows;

    “It’s time to interrupt the transmissions from Forbidden Archeology as it continues to map a new terrain of discourse. The preliminary mapping illuminates an ongoing process of global cultural realignment and transition, wherein Western science finds itself retreating, somewhat unwillingly, from its previous position of self-proclaimed epistemic superiority and coming into an intellectual world-space where it finds itself just one of many knowledge traditions.
    The responses to Forbidden Archeology from within the network of modern science show a degree of resistance to this developing reality and a hope that the system as it is, perhaps with some adjustments, will survive intact.
    But, as one can see, the expanding topology (interruption by me —there’s that familiar word—TOPOLOGY!) of the terrain mapped by Forbidden Archeology reaches far beyond artificial interdisciplinary realignments within the modern university system. The familiar unities are dissolving. As foreseen by Foucault (1972,p.39): “One is forced to advance beyond familiar territory, far from the certainties to which one is accustomed, towards a yet uncharted land and unforeseeable conclusion.”
    Specifically, Forbidden Archeology charts the domain of the discourse o human origins and antiquity. One can no longer ope that this will remain the inalienable property of a certain discipline, such as archeology, anthropology. Neither can salvation be found in forging new interdisciplinanry links with other fragmenting disciplines. One cannot even be certain that disciplines such as anthropology can avoid marginalization, a possibility much discussed among anthropologists themselves.
    The map generated by Forbidden Archeology points to the emergence of a diverse multipolar global intellectual constellation from which may emerge a new academic consensus on human origins.Those participating most effectively in this process will be those who have mastered the techniques of complex boundary crossings, able to move freely with open minds, through scientific disciplines such as anthropology and archeology, the science studies branches of history, philosophy and sociology, the academic study of religon, the populist perveyors of scientific anomalies. the range of New Age interests and the whole world of religion-based sciences and cosmologies of traditional spiritual cultures, such as Gaudiya Vaishnavism.”

    To satisfy all those MLPs, ALPs and ABCs styles I’ll write this down as well. :

    1.2 Michael. A. Cremo (1995) ” The Reception of Forbidden Archeology; An Encounter Between Western Science and a Non-Western Perspective on Human Antiquity.” Kentucky State University Institute for Liberal Studies Sixth Annual Interdisciplinary Conference: Science and Culture.

    I presented this paper at the Kentucky State University Insititute of Liberal Studies, Sixth Annual Interdisciplinary Conference: Science and Culture, held at Frankfort, Kentucky, March 30 – April 1, 1995. A short abstract is published in the conference proceedings. A short excerpt from the paper appears in Back to Godhead (March/April 1996, p.26). The entire text of the paper appears in ISKCON Communications Journal (Vol. 5, No1, 1997).

    Is this the right form. If it isn’t you will have to take it up with Cremo himself! And don’t expect me to do it again when I post unless someone is willing to pay me a hundred dollars to do so, ha, ha!( After all this isn’t a University. It’s a FORUM which is much better!)

  2. Gail on April 9, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    or…………. the whole article is a spoof, against trans humanism, against genetic manipulation and a laugh at Hollywood. The report comes from Icarus….the son of the master craftsman Daedalus, and what do master craftsman search for? The secret of creation……. Icarus wanted to escape from Crete, Daedalus crafted him wings …. trans humanism…. he ignored instructions not to fly too close to the sun, and the melting wax caused him to fall into the sea where he drowned. The myth is taken as a tragic example of hubris or failed ambition.

  3. Frankie Calcutta on April 9, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    And the name of the computer program that built this Universe for us:

    Simulated Habitation In Virtuality Application or SHIVA for short.

  4. bdw000 on April 9, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    ” But once fixed, the code might stay unchanged over cosmological timescales; in fact, it is the most durable construct known.”

    I am no expert here, but I don’t think that is correct. That sounds like the typical sort of modern scientific grand statement that could not possibly be proven.

    Anyone interested should check out the book GENETIC ENTROPY & THE MYSTERY OF THE GENOME. This is a very interesting book.

    Modern Biology can be as corrupt as modern Physics or Astronomy.

    • paul de gagne on April 9, 2013 at 9:04 pm

      This is getting to be interesting between You and Dag?

      But I wont deal with what I am thinking but rather focus on the corruption in Biology. Unlike the deliberate but denied ‘brainwashing’ that teachers who are liars and who really know deep down inside themselves they are lying I think Biologists are from a different ‘batch’ than the whole of Educators?

      I think they do a better job as ‘Scientist’ because they are dealing with the Organic Factor? I think that if they had an accurate or true —PREMISE then they would begin to piece things together as some are starting to suspect. They are a long way off despite all this DARPA non-sense! Probably when BIO-Physics FINALLY matures we may see what we are searching for provided we live that long?

      I really think biologists should go poking around what’s called the Paleolethic Period? If they did so -BINGO! But the Archaeologists are strong at defending their Academic TURF!

      I read a book about ‘participation mystic (accent the ‘ic’ in the second word) in which — witch doctors and natives of one tribe in Africa believe ONLY witch doctors kill people and the crockadiles don’t or put another way – only crockadiles possessed by an evil witch doctor’s spirit. Only a witch doctor is responsible for the death of the person who became the crock’s snack for the day or dinner.

      Every line of beliefs about crockadiles after that is as LOGICAL OR RATIONAL as anything invented by the West – but — only if it accords to the basic ‘premise’ that crockadiles don’t kill people.

      Well it’s not so much Biologists are corrupt (of course some are for their Human, ha, ha! but spend all day observing LIVING processes day after day then you begin to get a better picture even if it is very, very dim and dark down there on the specimin dish? (actually it only too dark because biologists go too far down their micro-scopes into the Land of Quantum or OZ! They ought to get back where they once belong – REALITY! (sounds like a beatle’s song?) and quit trying to play physicists!)

      All this TROUBLE is —-Biologists don’t believe CROCKADILES KILL PEOPLE. (I wont spell this out for you?)

      Also, thanks for the references of the books. New ‘angles’ are always appreciated!

      Have a peaceful Evening Folks.

  5. Dag from Ringerike on April 9, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Very interesting stuff brought up here. I bought the three big DNA-books that appeared in the early 2000, e.g. mentioning the eight daughters of Europe and so on. I have nearly all of JPF´s books in my library, but not having time to go through them all, so I am not aware that this, what I am referring to below, has been mentioned before in the books.

    It is about the book, “Intervention Theory”, by Lloyd Pye, that I read some month ago. And it is about hominids and humans; the first have 48 chromosones, and we (suggest I am one of the late) have 46 of chromosones. What he is saying in one of the last chapters of his book, that the 2nd and 3rd chromosones of the homonides are fused to one in human. Another interesting subject he further.

    “ Within our 20.000 to 30.000 genes are 223 that have no analogues in other animal species, although 113 of 223 can be found among bacteria. Thus, mainstream science concludes that all 223 of the “unique” human genes have somehow been put into our genome by “lateral transfer”, which means by bacteria.

    Well, okay . . . maybe. But what about the 110 that aren`t found anywhere? Not in animals or in plants or in pond scum. Where did they come from? How did they get into our genomes? In bacteria that have not been discovered? ”

    My background is engineering and chemistry.It was a astonishing moment when I looked at picture of a living cell and realized; this is a construction, not by iron, copper, platinum, etc, what I was used to work on, but by socalled biological material. And – the eye, that can change tranversal electrical magnetic waves to longitudinal waves which our brain works with. A very sophisticated invention made up by biological material.

    Maybe I am late to realize this.

    • bdw000 on April 9, 2013 at 6:08 pm

      There are eminent Biologists who claim that in is IMPOSSIBLE for “random” evolution (as defined by the Biological mainstream) to EVER create anything NEW. The key word here is “random,” the word that the mainstream biological establishment insists on (without a shred of evidence to support it).

      Check out the book NOT BY CHANCE by Lee Spetner.

      He focuses mostly on the math: it’s pretty darn convincing.

      • Enlil's a Dog on April 10, 2013 at 4:48 am

        This whole silly darwinian model can be challenged seriously on just a philosophical basis in itself, let alone at any serious scientific level.

        If there are only FOUR building blocks that make up what we know to be ‘life’, then to a logical mind ( I assume anyway) would this not in itself constitute some kind of intelligent design?? To me it does.

        The darwinists claim “oh nature has had billions of years to get it right”, but Ernst Chain, Noble Prize winner in Biochemistry and the man that purified Penicillin summed it up perfectly –

        “These classic evolutionary theories are a gross oversimplification of an immensely complex and intricate mass of facts, and it amazes me that they were swallowed so uncritically and readily, and for such a long time, by so many scientists without a murmur of protest”……

        That quote is from the following book –

        Clark, R.W. 1985. The Life of Ernst Chain: Penicillin and Beyond. New York: St. Martin’s Press, p. 147..

        He was also quoted as saying that he’d rather believe in fairies than such wild speculation as darwinism – and that’s from one of the world’s premier Biochemists of his time.

        The darwinian view of the Universe and life is so constrained and narrow that I don’t even bother talking to those people about it anymore! Their belief that they have all the answers is nauseating to me, as are the beliefs of their diametric counterparts in Yahwism!

        If you really wanna get darwinists running for the hills just throw abiogenesis in their face and tell them that according to Louis Pasteur’s work that created the “LAW” of Biogenesis their ‘THEORY’ of evolution is not possible – and that shuts them up real quick, especially the sheeple that know very little about biological science!

        The latest strategy of many darwinists is alienating the theory of evolution from abiogenesis, but unfortunately for these mugs if there is no abiogenesis that only leaves two options, outright creation or intervention, neither of which these people will ever accept, but a refusal to link abiogenesis to macro-evolution denies creation in the terms in which they look at it – SCIENCE!

        • paul de gagne on April 10, 2013 at 6:24 am

          Enlil’s a dog,

          Interesting word “ABIOGENESIS’ that is. I had to go look it up in quack-a-pedia.

          I like the ‘Deep Sea Vent Hypothesis’ listed under this entry because I once saw a Nova presentation of deep sea explorers scalvaging for microbes at the very bottom of the sea. EVEN Below where all that whale shit finally lands (remember that cliche in the 80’s meaning low-self-eseem)! That is if it doesn’t get scooped up for dinner by other micro-organisms?

          Wiki derived the root of Abiogenesis from POIESIS. I thought I knew what that word meant but wiki describes it’ as the root of our modern poetry or — Poietic Work reconciles THOUGHT with MATTER to make…?

          I think I would like this ‘reconciliation’ very much. ( A Uniting of Science and Religion) I first learned of the war of Ideologies from Vine Delora in which he uses his mythological stories to refute the DOGMATISTS claims regarding Darwinism. (Something Farrell does when he claims some mythical writings were actual events?)

          Maybe Darwinism was meant to throw the ‘PUBLIC’ off guard and to justify the fierce finnancial actions being implimented at that time?

          Maybe only Nin-com-poops were meant to fully believe in it. (I don’t know because occasionally I enter that ‘nin-com-poop stage when I get carried away with certain ideas, ha, ha!)

          All this kind of makes me wish I learned Greek instead of the customary two yrs. of Latin. Finding the ‘Origins” of WORDS’ can be just as enthralling or important as finding the ORIGINS of LIFE.”

          Wouldn’t you say so Enlil the doggie?

          Have a resourceful day and keep posting such stimulus inducing material because then I wont have to buy Choline, Galantamine Piracetam, Racetams or other nootropic or ‘smart drugs’ to keep up with You! (ha, ha!)

        • bdw000 on April 11, 2013 at 4:41 pm

          Thanks for the great reference Enlil.

          I don’t claim to “know” the the Darwinists are wrong.

          I just observe that they have zero proof for their claims.

          As your quote says above, Darwinian evolution is “wild speculation.”

          What convinces me most, is that most of their claims are physically impossible to prove or disprove: that’s the sign of a deliberate con.

          • Enlil's a Dog on April 12, 2013 at 3:42 am

            I agree, I cannot lay any claim to it being completely false either, but the current darwinian model makes no rational or logical sense to me whatsoever – and nor should I also say, does any 6000 year creation hypothesis lol.

            I have no issues with adaptation or species variance because we can all see that. I have a bearded dragon that when indoors, spends her time in a large box. When I turn the fluoro light on in that box she turns a deep shade of grey blending in with the rocks and the light refraction from the fluoro – when I take her out in the sun she turns a deep shade of brown. Perfect example of species adaptation right there for all to see…However these people like to further that observation and link it to species transformation..

            It’s just plain stupid, illogical and irrational imo!!

  6. LSM on April 9, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    Hi Dr. Farrell/readers- chide me, rake me over the coals at your leisure but I’ve always felt/had/still have a yearning to this day that I don’t 100% belong to this planet- have no idea where part of me might’ve come from but I’ve always had a yearning for the stars that continues to this day- I have no explanation for it whatsoever (insanity?- maybe- maybe not)-

    I had no ray of hope for me whatsover until I discovered Dr. Farrell’s works but especially pertaining to this issue: “Genes, Giants, Monsters and Men”-

    so I think what is written in this article is anything but far-fetched- I think it doesn’t even scatch the surface-


    P. S.: so what did the universe deal me in my earthly life for a “schlepp”?- I exchanged NE Ohio for SW Germany- “such a deal!”

    • paul de gagne on April 9, 2013 at 9:47 pm

      How perception when reading can play tricks on me. I thought you wrote, “I always thought I didn’t belong on this planet but what you wrote was “I’ve always had a yearning for the stars…” I first thought are you one of those who felt they’ve been left in a basket on someone’s doorstep? Quite a difference.

      We cant always read word for word (too much to read) so we scan and suffer the consequences.

      This yearning is interesting.

      Some Native Americans claim they don’t have this ‘YEARNING” for they are right at HOME on Earth. They believe they came OUT OF the Earth instead of INTO the Earth from someplace else. So it’s no-where different for them and supposedly they don’t fear death as much as the typical Westerner because it’s not going to take them someplace they don’t belong but will take then back to a ‘better neighborhood!

      Rationally and Logically that makes true ‘sense’ for we are made of space-material but so what — knowing that does practically nothing for me. I wish I was more Ecologically aware but who wants to be aware when their slowly being POISONED or MODIFIED by GMO!

      Kind of reminds me of what your PINING for could be ‘space pinning for itself” but now I am talking new age nonsense. (the heck with that path for it’s a DEAD-END!)

      Have a pleasant evening and keep on posting about your foreign friends. It’s good to be reminded and step out of the COMA they call AmeriKa!

      • Nidster - on April 9, 2013 at 10:39 pm

        Larry, very interesting that you have no idea where part of you might have come from, and that you’ve always had a yearning for the stars that continues to this day. I do not believe Dr. Farrell or others will rake you over the coals at their leisure for thinking that….

    • Margaret on April 10, 2013 at 9:24 am

      Larry, You are not alone! … and that’s not just a paraphrase of the title of Walter Sullivan’s book which I bought when it came out and read w/ utter fascination … for literally, I’ve had that feeling all my life, since very young. I would spend long evenings gazing up into the star-filled skies wondering where I came from. Remnant memories calling to me. In some deep meditations I have experienced being formless consciousness within the cosmos (the infinite), maybe like a drop of water being part of the ocean but not individualized. I can understand it this way: the cosmos/ocean is the ‘field’ or medium, the source of the physical. I’m an individual expression of that, and ‘all’ is that, but I remember and think of ‘home’. But, I’m here now (to paraphrase Ram Dass) and learning as much as I can about who/what/where/why I am. … Now to paraphrase the Beatles, it’s a magical mystery tour! And what a ride it is! Be well, be joyful, be inspired, be grateful, be blessed!

  7. Sophia on April 9, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    The progression of news releases from NASA’s Mars Curiosity rover would also appear to be consistent with a gradual / timed disclosure of information supporting the possibility that Mars once hosted organic life, perhaps a la Hoagland.

    Hypothetically speaking, IF there is an actual genetic code, how significant is it? Is it merely “you have a MAKER” (i.e., the fact that there is a code is itself the significant thing), or is there deeper knowledge that is encoded?

    We do appear to be living in interesting times.

  8. DownunderET on April 9, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    “Yahweh the Two Faced God” says it all – IMO.

    For centuries we’ve had the Darwinists Vs The Three Yahweh doctrines, and they have been going at it toe to toe about who we are. Main stream academia will not accept the Annunaki/Sitchin theory, but they still cant explain who we are and where did we come from, so DNA is a kind of hard question to ask.

    In other words, where did all this life come from?. I suspect that maybe, just maybe, sometime down the track the main stream academia will “have to accept” or hint at, that the two whako institutions maybe wrong.

    This planet was seeded, there is no doubt in my mind about that. For “US” I’m in the we are a genetic creation by a long lost “High Civilisation” school, and no one can tell me any different.

    So play with the DNA all you like, but who said “why would you build a solar system if you didn’t have somebody to look at it”

  9. Frankie Calcutta on April 9, 2013 at 10:32 am

    You mean to tell me God may be some pimply faced computer geek parked in another Universe? What a farce. No wonder why biological creatures think about sex so much. God is probably always looking at porn.

    I prefer to think of human DNA floating through space like a mushroom spore.

  10. Robert Barricklow on April 9, 2013 at 9:39 am

    This has been a “plot” in Star Trek, Twilight Zone, Books, ect. Nova had a program about this all being some “high” intelligence “program” that we are living. Like an elaborate “SIM”. The meme has been around for sometime. The Star Trek one had the DNA has “code” in the storyline.
    One is once again reminded of Shakespeare’s/There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio,
    Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

    • incognito on April 9, 2013 at 11:19 am

      It’s also in Scientologist L Ron Hubbard’s science fiction books like War of the Worlds. I don’t believe it and, furthermore, I disagree with Dr Farrell with regards to our supposed ET origin or contact. If this idea is being pushed by zoconned propaganda organs, you can bet it’s a lie. Of course, believing in good and evil, ideas intimately tied to religious beliefs, is not a best-seller theme nowadays.

      Anyways, anybody else not getting email updates from this site recently? I stopped receiving the updates about a week ago. I can no longer see the “email replies” option below the comment input box. I tried to sign up for the email updates again but now it states that this website has that functionality turned off.

      Doc, you cutting me off? Why am I still able to post comments then?

      • Robert Barricklow on April 9, 2013 at 1:58 pm

        I do stand by Dr. Farrell in the whole. In fits into many aspects of my world viewpoint. In fact, he has improved vastly my analyses of “our” early history. His keen insights, are a treasure, in my book.

        I also enjoy, very much,
        your political attitude incognito.

      • Margaret on April 9, 2013 at 2:37 pm

        Hi Incog, I had noticed that too. I’m glad you mentioned it. I had to re-activate my email subscription just now using the updates button in the far right column under the donate secton. But I have been getting the RSS feeds for everything. However, I don’t see the link for replies or for following comments. Will have to file a report on the support request page I guess. Hope it works because I liked that feature too. I enjoy your posts!

        • Robert Barricklow on April 9, 2013 at 3:25 pm

          incoginto & Margaret
          Just scroll down to “desktop version”.

          • Margaret on April 9, 2013 at 4:56 pm

            hmmm, the words “desktop version” do not show up anywhere on this page. At the very bottom there is a ‘Switch to our mobile site’ link … on the mobile site page at the very bottom there is a ‘Switch to our desktop site’ link which brings me back here. If I put ‘desktop version’ in the search field next to my member icon (far right, top bar) it takes me here:
            JULY 25, 2011 BY JOSEPH P. FARRELL
            Read more: Search Results desktop version

            mighty interesting … I’ll close out Safari and log in again to see if something different appears and I’ll query the support page.
            Thanks for the suggestion Robert. If you think of anything else, let me know, appreciate your help!

          • Margaret on April 9, 2013 at 6:24 pm

            Ahhhh, success w/ restart … Now, the notify of ‘follow-up comments’ and ‘new posts by email’ options appear under the ‘Post Comment’ button. … And I just got an email update from Giza in my mailbox.
            Incognito, I hope that has worked for you as well …
            The only new feature I don’t care for is the vertical sharing panel anchored at top left (only if the browser is opened wide) … sort of distracting and it doesn’t completely drop down anyway.
            Not to complain tho’ for I appreciate GDS, our host, the guests, the postings and the conversations very much.

          • Robert Barricklow on April 9, 2013 at 7:17 pm

            My access operating system is “different”. Margaret you found a way; I hope icognito, and/or others, resolve theirs as well.

  11. Yaj on April 9, 2013 at 8:49 am

    Ah but is matter itself an artificial construct? Or at least derived from elsewhere, possibly by some organizing intelligence, which wouldn’t necessarily be on the other side of the galaxy, sides and distance being immaterial–pun intended.

  12. paul de gagne on April 9, 2013 at 8:37 am

    This is really exciting stuff! I guess it would be wise to go slow.

    I imagined what first contact would be like but I never imagine it was with a ‘TEST TUBE.” We all could be the result (product) of test-tube babies! Now that’s something to think about. Maybe the Creationists weren’t too far off the mark?

    I heard a similar ‘slant’ put on this theme in a Nova Documentory where the biologist was suggesting we think of a “cell’ as an entire Universe and DNA as a designed technology. Doesn’t seem so far out when put that way.

    I cant help think those two foreign scientist (if their not ‘imaginary scientists(?)) might have been doing some “Projecting in their Perception’ only doing it scientifically.

    Maybe there really is a Implicit/Explicit Holograph Universe like David Icke “harps” about practically on every page he writes. If so we’re back to square one because whose hologram are we to ‘believe.” (I say your own of course but IS IT OUR OWN???????)

    I am thinking of that Bat’s wings (cloak) wrapped around the Earth in one of Icke’s depiction of a concept being not far off the mark. Maybe ‘outer space EMF Waves are trapping us here on this dismal little ball spinning in outer space.

    Help, I want to get off!!

    Ha, ha! (but I don’t want to die to get there. Like they say, “Everybody wants to go to Heaven but nobody wants to die! Oh well so much for being ‘born again’ unless it’s in a TEST TUBE!

    Have a great sunny day this Tuesday = TODAY.

    • paul de gagne on April 9, 2013 at 8:46 am

      On a second thought it’s not such a novel idea. There’s such a word called “PAN-PSYCHISM?” Only this time their giving it a ‘physical approach?”

  13. marcos toledo on April 9, 2013 at 8:19 am

    To paraphrase Tom Baker what do our know scientist know and when did they know it. What other secret information do they intend to reveal to us in the future stay tune.

  14. LSM on April 9, 2013 at 7:54 am

    Hi Dr. Farrell and readers,

    “It seems that two scientists in the former Soviet republic of Kazakstan…”

    it never ceases to amaze me how even my own encapsled world as an opera singer (fringe entertainment) has given me so many leads into what is really going on in the world-

    my one new female Russian co-worker from Kazakstan (am not kidding) told me as she was taught in school that most of Russia’s intelligenzia during/after the Stalinist era was freighted off to Kazakstan as some sort of a pogrom- (she’s a very dear person but not bright enough to lie)- so just trying to connect dots: I think Kazakstan will play a major role in future world politics if Zbigniew Brz%&?§ski’s views are to be taken seriously-

    just a thought- am just trying to connect dots-


    • Enlil's a Dog on April 9, 2013 at 9:42 am


      You can add Azerbaijian to that list as well. I myself have several Russian friends also and they have made mention of the fact that many (pogroms aside lol) of the old guard made their way down to sunnier climes to Baku along the Caspian Sea during the last days of the Soviet regime. Many were intelligenzia, military and key scientific personnel.

      One of those friends I speak of comes from a small city called ‘Yoshkar-Ola’ in ‘Mari-El’ oblask, Russia. She is old enough to remember the old times and she tells people quite openly that the old guard had several, shall we say, facilities there that were heavily involved with secret weapons technology, both of a conventional and a not so conventional nature!!

      She says that everyone that lived there knew about it, many worked in the facilities and she states that in those days to enter the city limits of Yoshkar-Ola one had to be on the Polit-Buro or have a high level military clearance. For all intents and purposes, back then the town was completely shut off from not only the rest of the world, but from the rest of Russia as well.

      • LSM on April 9, 2013 at 2:10 pm

        Hi Enlil,

        many thanks for your in-put- greatly appreciated-

        I don’t doubt your Russian friends’ testimonies for a second- seems to be there’s a lot going out there in EVERY country that is being obfuscated from many factions within/without of each country, including here in Germany; the undeground base in Calw (near where I live) just as a miniscule example (the locals have been told it belongs to the CIA where CIA agents are “further educated”)- have just quoted two co-workers who come from the Calw area-

        stay well- regards-


      • paul de gagne on April 9, 2013 at 9:29 pm

        I laugh when you mention the neighbors who live next to secret Russian facilities. My nephew was working on the Stealth bombers that were so secret no one was supposed to know about them? They were forbidden to take their textbooks home. Top-Secret, yet the natives or residents near the dam Air-Force-Base saw them take off and land practically every day!

        What a Farce!

        In a book of articles called “The Cultural Production of Ignorance” is one article stating in a certain yr. they were 4.5 billion documents classified ‘Secret!” This is absolutely non-sense! There is no need for that many documents to be secret. Really wasteful!

        The Federal Government has a MANIA for secrecy which will in the end probably DO IT IN? People are naturally noisy and anything ‘that secret’ will DRAW ATTENTION!

        If you don’t believe me then try this experiment out —- single out a person nearby in a crowd or group. Look or slightly stare at them and while your doing that ‘whisper a nursery rhythm to the person right next to you,”

        See what happens next but don’t forget to DUCK! HA, HA!

        OR —- Just as rules are made to be broken ‘Secrets are meant to be BLABBED ABOUT. ( and if you don’t believe that then just ask JUDAS!)

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