THE SNOWDEN/NSA AFFAIR AND CHINA
Regular readers of blogs on this site will be aware that I've been arguing that incessant US unipolarity since the demise of the Soviet Union, coupled with a stepped up program of covert operations and "color revolutions" along the periphery of Russia in the former Soviet socialist "republics", would provoke an eventual backlash of similar operations against US interests by that country. Readers will also be aware of my hypothesis that the US was instrumental in the creation of a vast system of hidden finance, based in part of Axis Japanese and German plunder of Europe and Asia, and particularly, China, during World War Two. This is a story best known both by the perpetrators and victims of the plunder, as well as by the instigators of the hidden system.
Now, interestingly enough, Ed Snowden has alleged that the US has been hacking Chinese and Hong Kong sites - presumably "data mining" - for a number of years:
Edward Snowden: US government has been hacking Hong Kong and China for years
I strongly suspect that the Chinese hacking is, at least in part, based on "data mining" of Asian gold purchases and the various financial institutions headquartered in Hong Kong. At the minimum, such "data mining" would give analysts a clear picture of Chinese economic strengths and weaknesses, and a picture of emerging trends and policies. That is to say, I strongly suspect that the hidden player or story here is the financial one in general, and the gold story in particular. Recall in this connection the "gold take down" that occurred on the same day as the "distraction" of the Boston Marathon bombing, and the curious suspensions, recently, of gold trading in certain well-known Asian brokerages.
If this hypothesis or reading of the situation be true, then we can expect more stories about gold trading to break from Asia, and we may expect increasing coupling of those stories to the issues of computer hacking, cyber-warfare, and security. And there will be a covert pushback as well, as other nations step up their own "NSA" versions of similar financial data mining, and cyber-covert operations of a financial nature.
See you on the flip side.
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When I think of espionage cases in the past ya know remember when our civil liberties were protected under the law!? But now obviously we or they are being hacked to pieces! When you who are reporters need to think twice about reporting big stories or giving hints to that nature!
We obviously have a problem cuz with our current technology it is not hard to figure out NSA wise where someone is going or attempting to attack and or publicize something they do not want exposed! So the recent suspicious death of this reporter needs to be a wake up call for those researching touchy subjects.
Really until we get back our civil liberties to pre Bush and Obama levels nobody is safe nor are we free!
When the bible speaks of “for what we do in secret” in private times of or during fasting and prayer. We can “share” publicly in a group what God has spoken or revealed to us in private.
When this is done these days usually it is done to promote some money making scheme like the Rabbi’s and or pharasee’s did in Jesus time to make themselves “look like” they were suffering. When Jesus through the spirit knew they were putting on a big front or the open public spectacle of an open public lie!
We should be highly upset with this constant chiseling away of our rights and civil liberties! The sad thing is when you begin to see or realize living in China or the Soviet Union might be better or more freedom of speech at times then in the USA!
jdram58
Pre Obama Bush levels of privacy+civil liberties.
Um, Nixon? LBJ?
Sorry those later two did all this but didn’t have access to the mass recording and sorting gear that the NSA in combination with the internets affords today in 2013.
Back in the 1920s or thereabouts the government claimed the power to listen to phone calls sans warrant.
This behavior on the part of Senator Obama (see fall 2008 legal absolution for the telecom companies abusing the FISA law at the behest of the Bush administration) made people deeply question Obama’s commitment to civil liberties, but no one then said: “Oh for the good old days of Nixon or Reagan or JEdgar.”
In Covert Wars and Breakaway Civilizations………..
Page 217 in the footnotes
“China’s military also has stated that it intends to make information warfare a capability equal in stature to its army, navy and air forces.
Well in light of recent “data mining’, it seems the Chinese have been at the game tooooooo, and will continue to do so.
Fort Meade, get ready
except you forgot to mention that in the same footnote, such Chinese military doctrine was mentioned in light of the “Full Spectrum Dominance” doctrine adopted by the U.S. military.
Since William Engdahl is the author of “Full Spectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order”, perhap you should ask him why he merely “picked on” the U.S. military instead of China’s, if indeed “they are at the same game”.
and his answer will probably be
1) The American military expenditure exceeds the military expenditures by the rest of world major military powers combined, because no one else except America has adopted the “Full Spectrum Dominance” doctrine.
2) The American military is deployed in more than 150 countries around the world, now compare that to other major military powers.
3) Except America (and its allies), no other major military powers are engaged in a “War on Terror” which has been dragged on for more than a decade now.
Sun Tzu said:”There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.”
By any definition, America and China “are not at the same game”, and last but not least, in the same page where the Rockefeller Foundation and its funding for Mk-Ultra are concerned, do you think China is “at the same game with America”?
Instead of using it “in light of recent “data mining’”, you should use the quote in light of its original context in “Covert Wars and Breakaway Civilizations” before readily associates the matter at hands.
A month before the 3rd BRICS summit in 2011, the Chinese premier visited Hong Kong and said “the central government will support Hong Kong in developing itself into an offshore RMB settlement center and international assets management center”. After attending the BRICS summit in Sanya, Russian president Medvedev visited Hong Kong and met with its financial secretary, two months later Russia and China signed currency swap agreement, and two years later the BRICS nations agreed to the establishment of BRICS Development Bank at Durban, South Africa.
I remember Dr.Farrell speculated that BRICS Development Bank will likely be in Asia, given Hong Kong’s unique financial and political status, and its performance against speculative hyena George Soros during the Asian financial crisis, the city is definitely a possible candidate. If “Snowden” was a coordinated effort that involved “BRICS”, it’s understandable that these nations would like the Development Bank be located in a place free of NSA snooping.
Speaking of George Soros and “color revolutions”, ever since Leung Chun Ying sworn into office in 2012, the “Pan-democracy camp” have been intensifying their criticism towards the new chief executive of Hong Kong, calling for referendum which is not provided in Hong Kong Basic Law. The “Pan-democracy camp” is aligned with “the Chinese democracy movement” responsible for the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, and again George Soros strikes, his “Fund for the Reform and Opening of China” was closed down by China on accusation of working with the CIA to destabilize China, as mentioned by William Engdahl’s article “The Geopolitical Agenda behind the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize”.
Liu Xiaobo, one of the key activist who was awarded “The Nobel Peace Prize 2010” once declared in an 1988 interview that “China needed to be subjected to 300 years of colonial domination to become a decent country”, little wonder Liu has also one-sidedly praised Israel’s stance in the Middle East conflict, and during the 2004 US presidential election, Liu warmly praised George W Bush for his war effort against Iraq and condemned Democratic party candidate John Kerry for not sufficiently supporting the US’s wars, as Liu argues “The free world led by the US fought almost all regimes that trampled on human rights.” and “The major wars that the US became involved in are all ethically defensible”.
“Democracy” is another weapon the Anglo-American elites use to destabilize Hong Kong, but being a NSA agent, Edward Snowden knows better, “I believe that the Hong Kong government is actually independent in relation to a lot of other leading western governments”. And that’s what unnerves the “Pan-democracy camp”, or rather their Anglo-American masters.
Spy vs Spy, there is a great movie on this subject called “The Fourth Protocol” which stars Michael Caine. I wont tell you the end but it outlines how spy agencies “sometimes” work together for common goals (where have we heard this before).
The spying will never stop, but I think there will be a revolution in the advancement in the “firewall” technology field.
I dunno, Dr. Farrell and readers, but my gut feeling tells me the entire Snowden affair is a complete reversal, mirror-tactic of a desperate Anglo-American elite trying to convey to the Anglo-American public (we “peons”) that they have the upper hand-
they don’t- China has always been ahead of the West- just look at world history-
not to mention (and we must connect all dots) the testimonies of Gary McKinnon where he stated the Chinese were already infiltrating the Pentagon, not not mention Douglas Dietrich’s testimonies about the incompetence of the US Department of Defense-
the US has the biggest clap-trap in the world but my life’s experiences have proven to me the people with the biggest mouths have the least amount of knowledge- and that goes for the US military as well- the US is losing every war it’s ever started- start with Afghanistan- the Russians pulled out in the knick of time- the US still hasn’t-
“Readers will also be aware of my hypothesis that the US was instrumental in the creation of a vast system of hidden finance, based in part of Axis Japanese and German plunder of Europe and Asia, and particularly, China, during World War Two” exactly!- but is the US still in control of this?- I doubt it otherwise the US would not be turning into a financial beached whale- but Americans don’t know this yet- they continue to go for their ‘bargains’ at WalMart, etc. not knowing they are spending money on useless garbage- but, hey, it’s the American way: embracing trash as reality- and giving their money away to a system that will come crashing down upon their bargained ears-
but back to the spying-bit :if anyone still has a shred of hope in the competence of the USA into infiltrating foreign sources (the US was unaware of McKinnon’s infiltrating IT for over a yr.) how can we believe the US is ‘suddenly’ hacking Hong Kong/China instead of the opposite for a long time- start with the Li family-
please take care Dr. Farrell and readers- regards-
Larry in Germany
Not enough rice, not enough potable water, and the 1976 earthquake don’t add up to “far ahead”.
When the Chinese mine minerals in places like Africa, they build nice highways and don’t really anger the locals, that’s ahead of much of the west’s behavior.
And at least China mostly doesn’t invade other countries, something the US+UK could learn to copy. (I am plenty aware to the invasion of Tibet and the boarder wars China has fought with India and Vietnam.)
NSA has a long history of “skirting” the law in regards to its surveillance of US communications – read Bamford’s books.
That said, I think JPF is correct – this is part of a much larger op designed to create FUD in US intel agencies (more than is already inherent in their bureaucratic chaos), and also to expose a tentacle of the larger ongoing financial op.
Data mining can have many levels – and the data that come from businesses and filter into these government channels is part of a long term plan. People’s reaction to this government snooping is interesting. Google and Facebook can amass all the data they want and no one blinks an eye – but even hint that the “government” can get any of that, and people throw a fit.
This is why data collection was off-loaded to civillian groups, just like more and more military activity is being done. Americans seem programmed to accept behavior from corporations that they simply would not from a “government” agency.
This is, of course, idiotic, given the near total lack of barriers between these entities, but does provide deniability and compartmentalization to the data gathering op.
I will lay you odds that there are even more layers on top of the NSA further refining the data for their own use, and are connected to many data gathering industries – medical, insurance, banking, and retail stores, to name a few – mining the data for various (nefarious) purposes. I guarantee that various factions of the bankster elite have their hands in this data pie, up to their noses.
This Snowden thing is just a very tiny tip of a very massive iceberg, and you can bet that this op is going to get really interesting.
Speaking of the NSA (which used to be so secret that people said the initials stood for “No Such Agency,” there is a curious bit of info that I find interesting regarding said agency and Gene Roddenberry.
At a time nearly a decade before the “official” recognition that NSA existed, Star Trek did an episode (starring Robert Lansing and Teri Garr) about an agent from the future (Lansing’s character, “Gary Seven”) infiltrating a rocket launch site (NASA?) to prevent the launch of a space-based nuclear weapon which started WW3.
At one point in the episode, Teri Garr’s character is nosing around Lansing’s desk, and finds a batch of ID’s from various secret agencies.
The pertinent thing is that the ID on top of the pile is from the NSA, an agency no one was supposed to know about in 1964, although we had already had major defections from the agency to the USSR before then.
An interesting bit of trivia, in my opinion. Probably doesn’t mean a thing . . . .
This beginning to look like the Spy vs Spy from Mad magazine. We are seeing here the industrialization of espionage by the NSA-CIA networks a whole let see all they have tucked away in rivals files. By the way what’s your take on the death of Michael Hastings accidented I ask this because there is no details on the news of his death.
The NSA constructed chiefly for the purpose of taking an inventory of the world’s gold supply? Somebody’s coming to take delivery of their gold and their managers here on Earth need to know where it all is when the time comes.. or right before.