SAY WHAT!? THE LATEST GENETICS: Y CHROMOSOMAL ADAM MUCH OLDER THAN ...
This one was shared with my by co-author and colleague Scott D deHart, and it is, as George Ann Hughes likes to say, a "whopper-doozie". When I saw the source - Faux news - my initial reaction was to roll my eyes, and wonder if anything really newsworthy would ever be reported on that network.
Well, spike that coffee with some Jack Daniels, light up the strongest menthol cigarette you can find, and brace yourself:
Genetic 'Adam' and 'Eve' uncovered
The article begins conventionally enough, reviewing the standard genetic-historical model:
"Researchers believe that modern humans left Africa between 60,000 and 200,000 years ago, and that the mother of all women likely emerged from East Africa. But beyond that, the details get fuzzy."
Ok, so far so good. And there's the usual stuff about Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve, both living more or less at the same time and more or less coming out of East Africa somewhere:
"Bustamante and his colleagues assembled a much bigger piece of the puzzle by sequencing the entire genome of the Y chromosome for 69 men from seven global populations, from African San Bushmen to the Yakut of Siberia.
"By assuming a mutation rate anchored to archaeological events (such as the migration of people across the Bering Strait), the team concluded that all males in their global sample shared a single male ancestor in Africa roughly 125,000 to 156,000 years ago.
"In addition, mitochondrial DNA from the men, as well as similar samples from 24 women, revealed that all women on the planet trace back to a mitochondrial Eve, who lived in Africa between 99,000 and 148,000 years ago almost the same time period during which the Y-chromosome Adam lived."
But then comes the curve ball, and it is, once again, a whopper-doozie, for it seems
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then they wiped c3po memory and prevented virtues
your phd is in this very subject doc,…the founding fathers.?
If the current mitochondrial element of humanity is only 99,000 to 148,000 years old and the male element of humanity is 237,000 to 541,000 years old then doesn’t this imply that perhaps the same ‘Y’ chromosome donors may well have been ‘tinkering’ with the species for quite some time before deciding that the current form of feminity is adequate?
These stories about tracing the time period or place of the origins of modern humans using genetics often seem pretty fatuous. For one thing, those articles that give details about the studies involved usually reveal that their sample size was miniscule. Using 69 men to make assumptions about the billions of humans alive today and in the past seems quite a stretch, statistical analysis principles notwithstanding. And the studies like this one all claim to take into account bottlenecks and ‘events’ such as the populating of the Americas in their assumptions, but how can they know what every one of these events and bottlenecks may be? Two studies I read about that could significantly change current assumptions about genetic origins seemed to show that viruses have been used by friendly bacteria in the body to provide rapid genetic recombinations in a desperate bid for survival when the organism is threatened with radiation or toxic substances. Apparently viruses, which are everywhere in the body and which we acquire everywhere we go, contain DNA snippets that are prevented by bacteria from replicating, but are allowed to do so in times of severe biological stress. The bacteria then sacrifices itself and explodes releasing the viruses so that other body cells/bacteria can use the foreign DNA in the viruses in a last ditch effort to come up with a way to adapt to the stressor. (I think I got to the article about these viruses-as-DNA-libraries studies by following links that began on Jon Rappaport’s site under Germ Theory, sorry I can’t be more precise.)
Maybe two similar hominid species and the males of one wipe out the males of another? Cain and Abel?
“Dao begets One (nothingness; or reason of being), One begets Two (yin and yang), Two begets Three (Heaven, Earth and Man; or yin, yang and breath qi), Three begets all things. All things carry the femals and embrace the male. And by breathing together, they live in harmony”. -Tao Te Ching
I was listening to the Mayan Ac Tah, when asked how megalithic stone structures were built he said everything has positive and negative forces/charges, by manipulating these forces man could lift the stone. I suppose that’s how Edward Leedskalnin build Coral Castle in Florida who also stated that he had “discovered the secrets of the pyramids”.
That’s also how traditional Chinese medicine and acupuncture works where Dr.Pete Peterson based his medical electric acupuncture device on the same principle and assumption that the harmonization of Yin and Yang is what makes the human body sustaining a healthy state.
Ancient celts utilized such knowledge to erect huge stone structures,neolithic cultures such as Hongshan had similar knowledge.
So what has been “suppressed” is not only the history of the peoples who possessed such knowledge but most importantly what that knowledge could do to upset the status quo.
It doesn’t matter who’s talking about the holy trinity, what’s more profound is how it relates to the mystery of life itself.
I talked to a native Colombian about how their ancient megalithic structures where build. He said they could lift the huge stones by chanting, but that it would only work by chanting in a group… This knowledge was passed down through the generations.
I tend to place a lot of faith in knowledge of the local people when it comes to their history.
Reminds me of Hakim, in “The Pyramid Code”. He was a local brought up and taught by the local elders.
As Hakim said: We have the knowledge, we just need to WAKE UP!. And yes, he did shout out those last words.
Sadly, Hakim passed away in 2008.
“By ASSUMING a mutation rate . . . .”
That one word says it all.
Is it “scienTIFIC”? Yes.
Is it “science” ? Nope. Its “assuming” .
I wonder if the Kharsag Tablet dudes were goodlooking studs? I can just imagine the original Eve’s falling head over heels for the handsome star visitors. So much better than usually crude bourgeois artificial insemination method don’t you think?
As i was reading this, I remembered Plato, and the story of man being one until the gods intervened.
Perhaps the splitting of man into two, creating man and woman, was the first tower of babel moment?
“By assuming a mutation rate anchored to archaeological events (such as the migration of people across the Bering Strait”
Sorry, but it didn’t happen, see Igor Witkowski’ book “The Axis of the World”.
There’s a couple of things going on here, one is definitely religion, because if they keep going, they are going to hit a brick wall and come up with answers that don’t make sense in main stream academia.
Secondly, how do they explain the emergence of an obviously very smart race who lived in modern day Iraq, and also the Egyptians who at the blink of an eye, appeared out of nowhere.
They should do an investigation of the Basque people, hummmmm something funny going on with these dudes ??????
We take what we can determine as facts and regard with great suspicion any set of facts that are derived with assumptions as cofactors. The dating is clearly suspect, but the evolution itself reported in the study is quite fascinating.
I think we can say that according to the limited data set that we have learned about (I’m sure that other “undisclosed” people have already done these kinds of tests and already have a true sense of this), Y preceding X in this data can’t be extrapolated to an Adam before Eve just yet. There are too many unknowns.
There is still too much that is still occulted to draw any conclusions. There of course is also the issue of the timing of the Cosmic War. If we are indeed survivors of that epochal event, then the timelines and genetic lines would be all jumbled as the survivors gathered on the Earth as the only remaining place for “normal habitation.” I always looked at the separate races of the earth as each one emanating from a world for which they were precisely designed.
The African races, the term AB ZU, LU LU in Sumerian means African Hybrid, or in modern language, ZU LU. With their pigmentation, they are well suited to the Earth. The Chinese, which literally means celestial people, likely came from somewhere else, perhaps they are the mysterious IG GI GI referred to in the Sumerian texts, who came to Earth and desired the Earth women. With their pigmentation, they are less suited to the Earth than the ZU LU. The white skinned and red haired races would seem to be the least suited for life on Earth, but they would be well suited to life on the 5th World (Tiamat), or Titan, with its heat-retaining methane/nitrogen atmosphere. Unsaid of course are the races which have been subsumed or extincted. .
We clearly don’t know enough to write even speculative fiction at this point. I’d say that we know perhaps less than 1% of the truth of the origins of genus Homo, or the history of our little blue and white ball.
The Y chromosome, as Joseph points out, will turn out to be the genetic Rosetta Stone of one part of the story, the exo-biological one. I think that in the next few years, we will be ready for the sequel to the Cosmic War.
Yes basta the too stupid to build boats fantasy of how the Americas was peopled. Since they are dishonest about that how are we to believe anything they say. Louis Leakey claim about how long people were in the Americas was laugh at I am waiting for these clowns to eat their theories. As for ancient legends remember the Iliad a fantasy that a certain amateur archaeologist read and found the fictional city of Troy. They dare to call themselves scientist really.
“Too stupid to build boats…” Thank you for that wonderful phrase, you gave me quite a chuckle!
Another good one is that we only began to speak some 50,000 years ago–even though we have now discovered that dolphins and whales call each other by proper names. Apparently, sea mammals developed their language just yesterday–the same day these jokers masquerading as “scientists” think we were born.
Oh yes, I saw that article too, which first appeared in “Science.” (Deliberate quatation marks)
Here is the glossed-over assumption that makes the whole exercise clap-trap: “By assuming a mutation rate anchored to archaeological events (such as the migration of people across the Bering Strait), the team concluded that all males in their global sample shared a single male ancestor in Africa roughly 125,000 to 156,000 years ago.’
If you read the original “Science” article, you will see that:
THE ENTIRE HUMAN MALE GENOME AND ITS DNA DATING IS DEPENDENT UPON THE UTTERLY PREPOSTEROUS ASSUMPTION THAT MODERN HUMANS REACHED THE NORTH AMERICAN CONTINENT ONLY 15,000 YEARS AGO. THIS IS THE CRUCIAL FIGURE IN EXTRAPOLATING THE “ADAM” MOMENT INTO ANTIQUITY, AND ENTIERLY FALSE.
If you know the first thing about Mayan digs and suppressed findngs, you will know that the earliest documented human habitation in the Americas dates to some 200 to 250K years ago.
So, if these so-called “scientists” are calculating the age of “Adam” from a 15K yo baseline as opposed to a 250K yo baseline, well, what do you expect?
Garbag in, garbage out.
so almost all men on Earth today have an ‘Adam’ (Adam1) in common today who lived roughly 150 000 years ago, and a separate, smaller group of men in Africa have another ‘Adam’ (Adam2) in common who lived roughly 500 000 years ago… I don’t see how that makes sense: shouldn’t Adam2 have far more descendents on Earth today that Adam1? Otherwise Adam2’s descendents have been a small group living in the same place for 500 000 years with an unbroken male lineage, which must be statistically very unlikely. Can somebody explain this?
So men at one time had a long period of happiness.
You thought you’d slip that gem in and none of us gals would notice, didn’tcha? 😀 😀 😀
Glad to see, in these “parlous times,” we still have our sense of humor. (That’s assuming you did mean it as humor…;)
Although one shouldn’t assume.
I assume this was some form of genetic engineering.
But to produce only one?
Or, only is it only one found with current methods?
Or, was there only one survivor?
one is the lonliest number that you will ever know.
perhaps some brain damage and physical diminished action happened in the forbidden frui9tation…the big bad wolf has no problem with piggies in wooden houses.
You say …”There are, of course, some nasty implications to this, because some will inevitably take this process farther, into an investigation of other ancient stories, and that’s going to be when it gets messy. ”
What other ancient stories?
I have read that Newgrange is 2000 year older than the pyramids. Do those structures and/or the earth mounds in the USA fit on the “Grid of the Gods”?
Irish and Welsh tales are full of giants good and bad. Do you think the Irish Invasion myths could be factual accounting?
do read the Paul Schrag/Xaviant Haze book “The Supressed History of America” as for the Welsh influence on at least some part of American history (Mandan tribe)-
yes, not only do Irish and Welsh “tales” speak of giants but of midgets as well- “Darby O’Gill and the Little People” (Disney film)- read the Shrag/Haze opus to learn more about skeletal remains/documentation of both giants and midgets
The whole Irish/British/Druidic thing is very mysterious.
Michael Tsarion, the Irish alternative researcher is deeply into this area of research. I suggest you look at some of his stuff if you’ve not done so already.
it’s the Druidic thing alone that remains mysterious-
I have great respect for and am an admirer of Tsarion- the tremendous forward to the the Shrag/Xaviant book was written by… Tsarion
I am confused. If the Y is older then it was here first.
“According to the Pistis Sophia, Sophia does everything that she does and suffers all that she suffers by the command of the First Mystery. Much of what happens to her is not her fault or intent; the very act of her leaving the Pleroma comes out of her yearning for the Light of the Father. That she was led downward into the chaos by the false light of the Arrogant One brings about the alchemical condition for her redemption. She becomes the light shining in the darkness. She becomes herself the manifestation of the redeeming mission that is the redemption of all creation. As she suffers and languishes in the darkness and the chaos, her calls for deliverance are the calls of our own souls for redemption. Our own yearning for the light and wholeness of the Pleroma leads us to follow the false light of the lower ego and fall into the chaos of material existence. It is not until we have truly descended into the chaos; it is not until we have bottomed out that we can become conscious of the nature of our own suffering and the divine light that suffers with us in the world. Not until we become conscious of the nature of our suffering in the chaos can we discover the true direction of our yearning for the Light of the Fullness. ”
Well half a million years ago some beings (men) told some women they were “gods”, though really they just came from somewhere else. It’s a sort of a tale told today.
Much more interesting: what remains of human(oid) genes from say 20 million years ago? The half million year types wouldn’t want the profound implications of that science and reality researched/confirmed. I see a divergence–all puns intended.