NEWS AND VIEWS FROM THE NEFARIUM DEC 12 2013
December 12, 2013 / /
Joseph comments on three related articles sent to him independently by regular readers and listeners. Here's the articles:
South Korea Expands Air Defense Zone
Dmitri Rogozin: Russia will use Nuclear Weapons in Certain situations
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This newest piece from RT rather confirms ‘the Russian concern over possible Chinese influence in Siberia’ analysis.
“RT: Lets’ talk about that military threat, in terms of the anti-missile defines system for Europe, saying that of course Iranian threat is now subsided in light of recent success of those talks and yet the US is still pushing forward with that missile shield in Europe. Putin sees this as a threat but should he?
MM: He has always said and the Russians have never believed that the shield was really against Iran. They see it as really a shield against themselves; they’ve been saying for the last 10 years that NATO is a threat. If you look at from the military point of view, Russia sees NATO as a greatest threat, but if you talk to Russians and think about the geopolitical position of Russia, the looming power on the horizon is China. In other words it’s sotto voce – you don’t talk about things like that.
And perhaps the economic incentives for small businesses to go to the Russian Far East, Siberia and so on – that is an indicator that there is a problem in the Far East and that more Russians should go there because if they don’t, it is possible that China will expand its influence there.”
Still, i think ‘the use of nuke’ remark was more a response to NATO expansionism rather than a ‘Chinese one’.
I’ve been thinking lately, is there any ‘connection’ between the recent ‘Ukraine unrest’ and ‘Thailand unrest’? because it seemed to me these two events are happening at the same time, so i did some digging on the internet.
During the recent APEC summit in Bali, the Chinese announced to their ASEAN partners the intention of ‘rebuilding the Silk Road’, both land and sea routes.
Coincided with the fact that the 3rd ‘China-Eurasia Expo’ was held in Urumqi just this September, a region which was the traditional land route for Silk Road.
Amid a possible ‘Western backed’ Kiev unrest, the Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich went to visit two countries, namely Russia and China. While in China he expressed Ukraine’s support for ‘China’s Silk Road initiative on transport infrastructure development’.
Perhaps not a concidence, the current Thai prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra also expressed Thailand’s interests in China’s high-speed rails in October, just before the current ‘anti-government protest’ occured.
Interestingly, amid this Thai unrest, the Chinese are holding a joint ‘counter-terrorism’ exercises with Thailand.
the involvement of Thai military at one hand and the Chinese authority at the other hand also reminded me of the 2011 ‘Mekong river massacre’ incident in which involves ‘golden-triangle drug lord’ and allegedly ‘Thai military’.
Also considering this, on one hand Russia and China blocked any Western attempts to plunge ME into more chaos as the two cooperated on Syria, on the other hand, many of those Syrian rebels had ‘Turkish support’. Some of those rebels were Uyghur expatriates living in Turkey. Later on, the Chinese authority arrested some ‘Uyghur separatists’ in Xinjiang causing unrest and violence in several towns and found out these men were just fighting as ‘rebels’ in Syria before been dispatched to Western China to destabilize the region.
coupled with this development between Russian and China, and Mr.William Engdahl’s way of looking at ‘geopolitics’.
Not to mention, Turkey has been showing ‘disloyalty’ to NATO, first by its decision to buy Chinese missile, now its dialogue with Russia on the possibility of joining the SCO.
I think the geopolitical significance behind this ‘Turkey-turn’ is, not only this is a sign of certain coordination between the Russians and the Chinese, but perhaps there is a consensus reached between the two major powers to enhance relationships in Euroasia landmass, to do that, a troubled ME by radical Islam(not to mention central Asia region) becomes a ‘priority’ for this SCO based alliance which is pretty much its main objective, so called “against the three evils of terrorism, separatism and extremism”.
Then, Erdogan’s ‘change of heart’ is sort of a ‘history’s turning point moment’.
Some intriguing ideas Henry!!!! Thanks for sharing them here!
“He pointed out that this principle is enshrined in Russia’s military doctrine. Any aggressor or group of aggressors should be aware of that, he said.”
If newly established Chinese ADIZ somehow threatens Russian ‘territorial integrity’, then i don’t see why Russia and China would hold a joint naval exercise in the Sea of Japan. If recent Russian overture to Japan is aimed at ‘Chinese expansionism’ then why at the same time concerned about American missile defense system in Japan and bugging Tokyo with Russian bomber fly-bys?
If Russia is that ‘prepared’ to defend a possible ‘Chinese agression’, then why holding a joint ‘anti-terrorist’ exercise in Chelyabinsk after allowing the Chinese president to tour its military command centre?
Years ago, China d Russia already signed historic border agreement, and this model is used or suggested to be used to solve territorial disputes with other countries such as India which there is a ongoing effort.
Why would the Chinese or for that matter the Russians throw all that progress away?
Coincidentally, Mr. Dmitry Rogozin’s ‘nuke remark’ came at the time of president Putin’s parliament address regarding ‘global hegemony’
“Putin did not directly mention the United States in his speech, but the reference to Washington’s military actions in countries like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya was hard to overlook.”
And last time i checked RT is ‘Putin’s mouth piece’.
sorry forgot to include the link for Putin’s addressing
The wierd, or rather odd card played is after the purge of Russian Jews to Israel after the wall fell which gave the criminal element full aces to the west with new passports….and with Putin being a KGB man….once one always one comes to mind. More of the same games being played out or a game changer in the making? Puty put is a wild card, loyal or a judas is the question, ….siding up with the Japanese is……a ….who knows?
Regarding the assumption of a future Russia vs. China mudfight….this was already game forecadted by the DoD in its commissioned report ” The Great Siberian War of 2025.” Done by a thinktank…i think the Hoover.
.but you can find the whole ugly assessment in a .pdf on the net.
Except by 2025, the Chinese are going to be on the moon. Let me guess, according to ‘DoD’s mindset’, its more ‘argument’ for ‘a Chinese invasion of Siberia’ scenario.
Exactly why the new Chinese president cautioned about ‘for some people in the world, their body is in the 21st century yet their mindset is still stuck with the19th century’, and he said that on his first official visit to Russia.
The Russians aren’t stupid. On one hand you have a ‘western-backed’ unrest in Ukraine, not to mention years of NATO expanison into Russian sphere of infuence in ‘Eastern Europe’, with the Russians ever wary of NATO’s deployment of missile defense shield system. (now, recall what was RT’s emphasis with regard to the recent ‘2+2’ talks between Russia and Japan, ‘American missile defense system in China’.
On the other hand you have Russia and China signing border agreement solving historic disputes, against the backdrop of them forming the strategic core of SCO which further evolved into BRICS. The stake for these ‘strategic partners’ is quite obvious.
And i don’t see how adjusting their ‘one child’ policy to tackle the country’s ‘aging population’ problem in order to maintain its industrial growth translates into ‘the invasion of Siberia’.
With regard to Russian support for India to ‘curb’ the Chinese is rather geopolitically ‘obvious’. Multipolar world is meant to be ‘balance of powers’, but it doesnt necessarily translates into ‘Siberia invasion’.
But i’m going to suggest a radical claim here, what if Russian ‘support’ for India is also trying to ‘curb’ India?
-Japanese emperor’s recent visit to India.
-the ‘UN/China Workshop on Human Space Technology’ held in Beijing in September this year.
-India is launching its Mars mission while China is preparing to land its moon rover. Immediately after the successful launch of Chang’e 3, China announced that its willing to cooperate with other countries on space exploration including possibly its neighbour India.
what if there is another layer besides ‘terrestrial’ politics in which big powerful countries are often ‘at each other’s throats’, especially considering ‘the space race’ factor between ‘India and China’ as mentioned by the article from planetary.org. But the article illustrated out that perhaps the hope for a ‘Sino-India race’ between these ‘new space powers’ is really steered by ‘old space powers’.
and guess the recently troubled ISS is jointly run by whom?
Perhaps, the ‘arms race’ on earth between India and China is also about ‘space race’.
“with the Russians ever wary of NATO’s deployment of missile defense shield system. (now, recall what was RT’s emphasis with regard to the recent ’2+2′ talks between Russia and Japan, ‘American missile defense system in China’.”
Here is a High Octane/ low IQ possibility / speculation for Mr. Putin commenting on responding with Nukes. Perhaps Putin calculates that Obama needs a quick false flag event, one that may impact on Russia or Russian interests. For example, a fake, surprise, giant meteor hit in the Pacific. Notice all the prep work (quakes, volcanoes, meteors) speculated in at truther.org The helpful Tsunami nukes are prepped to wipe out some nice coastal areas. Chaos, destruction, desperation! Plausible deniability. Obama is the to the rescue as the hero. A huge rescue commences, 170,000 (Karen Hudes) tons of gold retrieved from Philippines and Hawaii and quietly “disappeared”. Putin may not accept his East coast taking a big hit for Obama’s false flag. Or not.
Everything may not be on the table.
But everthing is certainly being considerred under the table.
I wouldn’t put anything past these so-called leaders/elites.
So Erdogan like any smart rat has decided to abandon a sinking ship. I wonder how the Norman-Americans will react to that. As for China has enough on hands holding on to its eastern territories to think about starting anything with Russia over Siberia for now.
You have to give it to Mr. Ergodan for even thinking about talking to Russia about joining the SCO, you have to have “great big brass one’s” to even do it. The amount of alarm bells that when off in the Pentagon would have woken up the dead.
All this sabre rattling is fine for the moment, but the real action will start when “some country” will ask politely, that the US remove their troops and bases to leave that host country. Then you will see some real alignments appear.
Enter the fly in the ointment, NATO, whoever pulls the strings in NATO will have an opinion and an agenda, so as usual in these circumstances, watch this space.
The European Union was a lead baloon long before being launched. To give up a Nation’s’ currency, to the Banksters, is immediately placing it dead in the water. What insanity!
About time Turkey started making cent$ of it all.
[A side note: For those of you who love comedy, check out the DVD “Johnny Stecchino”. At movies very end, a gangster asks, “Which one of youse was the trurkey?”; has an insiders’ meaning.]
I think we are forgetting that other long standing alliance that Turkey really belongs to and that is trying to peal China away from BRICSA. That alliance is PARIAH and is made up of those nations that are so sinister, so cravenly self-serving and untrustworthy, a nation takes on great risk in any kind of association with them. The PARIAH alliance is made up of Israel, Great Britain, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and formerly the United States. As of now, the United States has decided it no longer needs any of these parasites sucking it dry and has ventured off and will take many of its satellites in Africa, Europe, and South America with it. Seeing the dire writing on the wall, the Pentagon has seized power from the agents of the other PARIAH countries operating in DC and has begun the clean up operation of removing this filth from the American body politic– no easy task. Along with this domestic clean up operation, the Pentagon will forcefully protect the American standard of living, as is their duty, and secure global dollar hegemony until the United States is safely away from the precipice of disaster and a more equitable arrangement can be made with its trading partners down the road… in a PARIAH free world.
The really big winner in any global arms race up is Germany– the planet’s most skillful armaments manufacturer. I would argue that an arms manufacturing death merchant is a more enviable, more profitable and more secure trade than being a currency manipulator or natural resources monopolizer. If the Germans play their cards right and finally learn to keep a low profile and stay out of the fray, they could easily go on to be the fattest and richest people on the planet. Of course, it will help to always be on the cutting edge of war decisive weaponry in case one of the usual greedy enemies starts eyeballing all that hoarded German wealth.
Regarding Russia, I think Putin should be less concerned at the moment with nuclear retaliation and more concerned with firing up the Russian weather machine and bringing some mob stopping cold weather to the CIA infested Ukraine. Nothing breaks up a demonstration of well fed people faster than arctic cold weather and a few feet of snow. Hopefully one day we will see ten feet of snow in Riyadh on Christmas. That would send a very nice message: from Russia with love.
Well, the first article which is trying to promote a Chinese invasion of Siberia was clearly written in Langley, and is nothing more than scare-mongering and wishful thinking on the part of the Anglo-American cabal. One should always read the bios of these “journalists,” to wit:
“Kevin Brent is a former defense contractor and U.S. Navy Veteran who served in Desert Shield/Storm with a 25-year background in Defense & Intelligence specializing in Expeditionary and Amphibious Warfare, Anti-Air Warfare and Military Space Surveillance. Kevin has been to Europe and the Middle East including the Persian Gulf & Israel several times during his career and worked with military personnel from NATO member nations, Israel, Egypt and other US Allies…”
No wonder Kevin wants to see China and Russia at each other’s throats!
Turkey though is spot-on analysis and extremely bad news for the cabal. Another dubious ally peels off and goes scurrying for the door, hoping not to draw undo attention…
“wishful thinking on the part of the Anglo-American cabal”
There is a lot going on in Eurasia, and maybe you will have seen the news (NY Times Nov. 16 and subsequent developments of the story) about “overpopulated” China deciding that they now need a birthrate of 2.2 children ostensibly to “maintain GDP – another step in their attempts at geopolitical- transhumanistic manipulation, and perhaps connected, among other things, with a potential Drang nach Norden towards Siberia?
So, are these military projects by Putin an example of the classic Venetian move: maintain the equilibrium by keeping your rivals off-balance and opposed to each other?
Also, regarding Turkey, Jim Willie has been saying for months now that Turkey is “the swing state,” so he would agree with you. They are a key component in the rising power of the BRICSA.
A couple of Jim’s earlier comments noted here:
“Turkey is the swing nation; they will be an important nation for the new gold-backed currency and trade settlement in Asia….”
20 min mark: “TURKEY will revive its 3000 year old tradition of being the gold center.”
Can’t wait to see what next year will bring.