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ANCIENT HOMO SAPIENS, NEANDERTHALS, AND DENISOVAN MAN: NEW GENETICS ...

There's a new study out (and my thanks to Ms. M.W. for sharing it with me) that challenges several significant assumptions of the current standard genetic model of human origins, and specifically, the "out-of-Africa" hypothesis:

Entire Neanderthal Genome Mapped with Amazing Results

Note that all human genetic haplogroups and races share various ratios of all three ancestors: Neanderthals, Denisovan, and homo sapiens, man. What appears to define such groups is, more or less, the relative ratios of the three types within modern human DNA.

But there's something here that intrigues me greatly, and I hope it does you too, and to illustrate what it is, we need to indulge in our usual high octane speculation concerning this statement from the article:

"The Denisovans share up to 8 percent of their genome with a “super achaic” and totally unknown species that dates back around 1 million years."(Emphasis added)
In other words, there's an "unknown something" or rather, and unknown "Adam" or species in the genus homo not previously guessed at or even known until genetics revealed it, and this human ancester is older than previous genetic models of "mitrochondrial Eve" or "y-chromosomal Adam" by an order of magnitude. The Denisovan man was located primarily in modern Siberia approximately 40,000 years ago, according to theory, yet, its DNA shows something unknown from at least a million years ago.
Such findings, loose as they are, conjure all sorts of images from mythology: the Norse and Scandinavian myths of human origins from Hyperborea and ultima Thule, "uttermost north," or the Vedic cosmology of intelligent habitation of the Earth millions of years ago, a fact discomfortingly documented(if one adheres to standard paleontological or evolutionary models) by the meticulous archaeological cataloguing of Richard Thompson and Michael Cremo in their Forbidden Archeology, a massive compendium of archeological artifacts, in some cases, millions of years old dating by stratigraphy, and clearly machined, and thus, the products of technology and intelligence.  Ancient myths, texts, archaeology, and genetics now appear to be coming together in an intriguing way.
But there's a  strong caution to be exercised here, and it concerns those who would seek, too early and without sufficient data, too detailed a reconstruction of the chronology suggested by ancient texts - a common failing of Sitchin and many others - anomalous artefacts on this and other planets, and so on.  And there's still that disturbing dichotomy of the data points suggested by astronomy's Exploded Planet Hypothesis, by Dr. Mark Carlotto's methods of dating the Martian anomalies, by the myths, texts and kings' lists, not to mention that "gap" of millions of years between Cremo's and Thompon's catalogue of archaeological anomalies of clearly machined and very ancient - "paleoancient" as I called it in my early books - artefacts, and the comparatively late rise of the ancient classical civilizations in Mesopotamia, the Indus, and Egypt.
To put it differently and more succinctly, alternative research, in its examination of ancient history and attempts to construct a comprehensive paradigm, from the efforts of nineteenth and twentieth century researchers to reconstruct that history and all the vast volumes that have been exercised thus far on the subject, is still prelude, not postlude.  We are at the beginning of a task, not the end of one.
This new finding is but a new piece of a vast and complex puzzle.
See you on the flip side.

26 thoughts on “ ANCIENT HOMO SAPIENS, NEANDERTHALS, AND DENISOVAN MAN: NEW GENETICS ...”

  1. “Somewhere within these 87 genes may lay the answer to why Neanderthals and Denisovans became extinct”- where is the proof they went completely extinct and couldn’t possibly exist anymore?- now enter Dr. Melba Ketchum and David Paulides… read/listen to their research then draw your own conclusions

  2. I have about two years of research into this subject. Humanity has been on this planet much longer than we are led to believe. I can trace back to 200-400 million years. Yah, that’s million.
    Take a look at the serpent statuettes / sculptures about 4/5 of the way down the page in the following link. These were stolen from the Baghdad Museum when SOCOM looted it during the invasion of Iraq. They are ‘Sleestacks’ in the words of Sid and Marty Krofft [Land of the Lost]

    http://humansarefree.com/2011/04/amazing-evidence-human-specie-is.html

    If you read the entire article, you will see that we’ve been here quite a while.
    History is not as you are taught.
    I think these ‘things / gods’ are still around. Credo Mutwa has some interesting things to say on this subject.

  3. The genetics work is fascinating but the dating is suspect. To find these dates paeontologists assert with such surety, they require a “known” mutation rate that they can then use to extrapolate into the past to arrive at these ballpark estimates.

    They have chosen the arrival of homo sapiens in the Americas, conventionally dated to circa 20,000-25,000 years ago. However, they have ignored the profound discoveries in the Valsequillo Valley, Mexico, dated to circa 250,000 years ago by USGS geologists who had no dog in the paleontologists’ hunt. These findings were rejected by mainstream academia and destroyed the career of the scientist who published them, Virginia Steen-McIntyre. Since that peer-reviewed paper, Valsequillo has become more radioactive than Fukishima and has been ignored.

    This “erased” site throws the dating of early humanoids into question, and suggest the numbers may be off by a factor of at least 10. Do the math and add a zero to the end of these numbers and you immediately find yourself in Cremo and Farrell territory.

  4. I never understood how the northern polar regions could sustain such large herds of mammoths (in Russian literally thousands of tons of mammoth tusks are buried there), the supply of vegetation must have been enormous. Wouldn’t it be reasonable to assume such a fertile region would be conducive for human habitation?

    The fact that Sanskrit is so closely related to Russian and that the vast ‘hordes’ of the East came from nearby regions means that early human habitation in the polar regions (hyperborea) must be a given.

    1. Think Polar Shift. Not Magnetic Polar Shift, but Full on Geologic 30-45 degree crustal displacement. Two good books to explain this are Velikovski’s “Worlds in collision” and “5/5/2000 Ice: The Ultimate Disaster” by Richard W. Noone. If this did happen – and there is serious evidence to support that it did – those Mammoths would not have been in the northern climes at the time of their demise. As stated in the opening of 5/5/200, imagine a 2 mile tall wall of ice, water and debris coming at you at a speed of 1600 miles per hour. Do you imagine that any city we have built could stand up to an onslaught like that and remain intact ? That’s how these ancient cultures were literally wiped off the face of the planet. That may also be why only megalithic structures from previous ages were the only things to survive. The evidence points to the last shift happening approximately 11,500 – 12,500 years ago.
      Scary.

      1. ” imagine a 2 mile tall wall of ice, water and debris coming at you at a speed of 1600 miles per hour”- if that happened (mass is being hurled at you) the mastodons found standing frozen in Siberia with buttercups in their mouths (if this report is true) would’ve been pulverized

  5. I love the statement –

    “There is now conclusive evidence that Neanderthals bred with Homo sapiens – a fact disputed for many years. Some scientists claimed the two species had never even met. Ancient human species, including Neanderthals, Denisovans and Homo sapiens mated with each other, resulting in an incredibly complex family tree”.

    This is nothing but an assumption on their part; granted a logical and rational assumption, but nevertheless an assumption based on their belief in the authenticity of their theory of evolution – in other words an assumption made out of ignorance!

    All the research ‘PROVES’ is that all three species share DNA together and nothing more – how that DNA came to be shared amongst the species cannot be proved categorically because the other species no longer exist and nobody was there to witness any physical mating.

    In legal terms their statement that shared DNA is a result of physical mating is an ‘assumption of fact not in evidence’. In light of what is currently known about genetic manipulation, a good Barrister could successfully debunk that statement as a truth absolute under the rules of evidence as they apply to a court room setting.

  6. nobodyouwantoknow

    That’s my SubGenius chromosome they’re yowping about.

    I Rule ! And I’m here to kick Normal-Pink butt !

    YeeHaw !

  7. This is 2014 and really, we don’t know where we came from. You can do all the DNA testing you want, but the real story of our hidden history has yet to be told.
    As I have said before here, we didn’t evolve from apes and some guy in a book didn’t do it, so what’s left?

    All we have to go on is what we have dug up, or read in a book, and that’s just not good enough, we are a highly technological society, aren’t we?, so why cant we figure out our history.

    Sitchin has been ridiculed and scoffed at, considering my above two ideas, which have been the “normal” stories we are told, then “somebody” does know in my opinion. In other words somebody on this planet knows just about everything, and they are keeping it to themselves, and I think the “they” live in Rome in an old building, nuff said.

    1. LOL – Right On.
      But hey, if some people want to believe they evolved from apes, maybe THEY did. I’m pretty sure I didn’t.

  8. I read in a science magazine in the 1970’s that molecular biologist were disputing the Out Of Africa theory and pointing to a Eat Asian origin for Homo Sapiens. By the way on the Finding Bigfoot show two hour special in Nepal a witness mention that Yetis can make fire. Which bring up the question could Chimpanzees, Bonobos, Gorillas etc. do the same. We haven’t heard about this because Primatologist don’t want to lose their careers and jobs and suffer character assassination just a thought. I know Finding Bigfoot maybe a bullshit show but the idea is intriguing.

  9. Robert Barricklow

    For those viewing the shadows of their existence upon the walls of Plato’s Cave, it’s a wonder they are even in the same ballpark.

      1. Robert Barricklow

        Yes. And that they suck the blood of life under the veil of darkness. That they shape shift(bat, wolf, etc.) ; disguised to walk among us. They are, on one level the Goldman Sachs types, sucking blood out of the economy, life out of the Earth through the corporate structures they manufacture. In turn, “they” can, through “media”, manufacture dreams and fears for most most people; what they want and what they are afraid of – identical in process to links of sausages on a conveyor belt. The same product filled with the same material.
        Sunlight/Information destroys them. True knowledge “sees” through their darkness & shapes, for what they are..

        Now on another level?

        1. the ole blood libel,,…liberal “party”, although according to the metaphor it happened during the passover, aka Easter, Christians would hide there children lest they be found discarded in a well with all there blood drained……..according to myth, these children were sainted by the Church.
          The knife shadow during the equinox in the post I linked earlier found in a ancient North American settlement might have some bearing on this con.
          According to the fairy tales, King Richards impenetrable fortress was taken by a soldier scaling a cliff, and entering through a “chapel” window and opening the gates…..ding a ling, hear them sing…

      2. just as an aside, if Douglas Dietrich is to be taken seriously (IF) in one of his expoundings he stated that vampire-type human creatures are actually real (but obviously not as distortedly portrayed as in Bram Stokes’ “Dracula” or Hollywood’s manufactured, over the top versions of things)-

        I personally tend to believe there’s at least a small inkling of truth behind all legends and myths; part of the cover-up is to grossly exaggerate them to make them seem implausible

  10. King Richard the lion heart, and his mother sheds another important piece to the puzzle of what happened.
    Genetic Plants.

    but the shoe shine boys scoffed, whose laughing now?

  11. terminally skeptical

    For those who are still getting acquainted with the less familiar paleontological discussions you can put at least two more names on the list: Lloyd Pye and Klaus Dona.

    Just got back from a CIA picnic where the wine was flowing liberally and the agents started getting silly. Nobody breached security but the conversation did ebb into a show me display of belly buttons, inies and outies. Turns out 2 of our compatriots had neither type. As you can imagine, no cameras were allowed and nobody dared use their cell phones and spy ring imaging devices.

    So why the impertinence? Because unless you’re someone who enjoys ordering another round of drinks while you watch the tidal wave roll in the TOP priority is the devastating effects of weather engineering. Otherwise most of us will soon become part of some distant future researcher’s study into who were these guys:

    http://www.gaiamtv.com/video/hijacking-weather-dane-wigington#play/41296

    If you don’t want to watch the interview I can provide some other links.

    1. I’m glad to see this is beginning to get coverage outside of “conspiracy” circles. In central Texas we’ve just thawed out from a rare ice storm and this morning the sky looked like latticework … it was criss-crossed with trails and became hazy from horizon to horizon. I wish I had had a camera. Was it on purpose? Could be … today, the 25th, was the Global March Against Chemtrails and Geoengineering: http://www.globalmarchagainstchemtrailsandgeoengineering.com
      I recommend everyone watch and circulate Dane Wigington’s presentation “The Most Important Topic of Our Time” which is on the GeoengineeringWatch.org website or on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2x6TEeknfo .
      BTW, did you know that Lloyd Pye died last month … a great and sad loss.

      1. terminally skeptical

        Margaret thanks for the info. I’ve been trying to get the weather engineering word out too but it’s hard to tell sometimes if those already in the know are been-there-done-that dismissive about this diabolical agenda. Although the majority still aren’t in the know yet it is gaining traction now compared to even just a year ago. As Dane Wigington says, the correct search phrase is crucial to those who reference it on the internet. Look up chemtrails and it’s likely it’s accompanied by the word “conspiracy” whereas “weather engineering” will give us real science based information. I left a link on a different thread here at GDS a few days ago for a recent Skype interview with Dane. The assessment is pretty grim. I didn’t realize that experimental spraying has been going on as far back as the late 1940’s and that now we’re just about standing at the precipice. May everyone here at GDS get out of their armchair long enough TODAY to alert loved ones that this plague is real by having gained global recognition.

        Also thank you for alerting us to the sad news of the passing of Lloyd Pye, whom I consider an unsung hero.

  12. Once on the Byte Show you hinted something about the Y chromosome that could involve “surprises”, also given the Mesopotamian creation stories that refer to “earthly” mothers and fathers from “elsewhere”.

    1. This brings to mind the Padma Purana, an old Vedic text which (in part) catalogs the myriad forms of life, including a reference to 400,000 varieties of humanoids in the cosmos at various stages of evolution. That class then superseded by the ‘demi-gods’ and others of more rarified conscious awareness…
      So perhaps those ‘vimana’ flying craft also referenced in the Vedas, were potentially ‘witness testimony’?

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