The past two days I've been updating my high octane speculations about spaceports, hidden technologies, breakaway civilizations, and hidden systems of finance. And yesterday I mentioned that there's one more thing I wanted to talk about, but that it would have to wait until today.

But first, a bit of background. In my most recent book on the strange subject of secret space programs and breakaway civilizations, Covert Wars and the Clash of Civilizations, I argued that there were two problems presented to the national security establishment by the UFO: (1) technological emulation and parity, and (2), production. Regarding the first point, I have argued in a multitude of books that the allegations of exotic Nazi technology, inclusive of claims to turbine-based "saucers" and even more exotic "field propulsion" experiments surrounding the Bell story, would inevitably have led the postwar national security establishment to conclude that at least some postwar UFO events had that as its source. Indeed, as I argued in Roswell and the Reich, this - and not the extraterrestrial hypothesis - were what was initially suspected after the famous incident, leading to an intelligence scramble to find certain Nazi researchers (the famous Horten brothers flying wing designers, for example).


...as I pointed out in Covert Wars and Clash of Civilizations, it quickly became evident to those in the national security and defense establishment that, under the restricted production capabilities that any postwar Nazi group would have been constrained to operate under, there were simply too few Nazis and far too many UFOs to account for the phenomenon. Additional, the sheer cost of production of such complicated machines was yet another factor arguing for a supplementary source for some UFOs.

And it is this production factor with which we are concerned, for yet another factor that quickly made its entry into the strategic calculations of the emerging national security state was the sheer size of some reported UFOs, a size that in early reports dwarfed human engineering efforts, and which became another compelling data point arguing for non-human origins. Indeed, in recent decades, the now-famous "triangular UFOs" of immense size have been seen and reported by numerous witnesses, and it has become something of a meme within some circles of ufology that "sheer size = extraterrestrial."

Well... maybe, or maybe not. It may represent human attempts at performance (and size) emulation. A missing $8,500,000,000,000 (see last Saturday's "part one" of this little series), will by a lot of underground tunnels, underground multi-floored "mantle-scrapers", and gigantic assembly facilities. There is, for example, Boeing's Everett Washington assembly plant, a gigantic building dwarfing the size of the 767s and 747s it builds:

Boeing Everett Washington Facility


The sheer size of the facility is suggestive that, in the service of black projects and enormous financing, the facilities can be constructed to engineer and assemble very large flying things, if need be. Indeed, one need only think of the Graf Zeppelin or Hindenburg in this respect.

Which leaves us where we began on this little update: production, and enormous cost. The B-2 stealth bomber is rumored to cost around $2,000,000,000 per aircraft. Yet, the US Air Force's fleet of the stealth bomber falls far short of the sheer numbers suggested by an unaccounted for 8.5 trillion dollars. In terms of B-2s, That's a lot of B-2s. That's a lot of sorties by the entire US Navy and Air Force.

The huge sums imply huge and complicated engineering, enormous production and assembly facilities, and a technological sophistication that makes the B-2 pale in comparison.  And if the fabled Aurora or actual Evrett, Washington Boeing facility are any indicators, then we are seeing but the tip of a very large iceberg.

Shades of Gary McKinnon's claims, or, for that matter, those curious words in President Reagan's memoirs alluding to an American space transport capabiility of up to 300 persons... in the 1980s...

See you on the flip side.

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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. Miguel on January 7, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    Thank you Robert…

  2. Robert Barricklow on January 7, 2014 at 10:54 am

    The hardest bird to hunt is the snipe, for it hides in plain sight.
    – Seminole proverb

  3. Enlil's a Dog on January 7, 2014 at 5:31 am

    I’m not sure whether you guys that live in the USA would have seen this show, but when I was a little kid back in the mid-late seventies there was a British show on television here in Australia called, ‘U.F.O’

    The theme was a secret space program or shadow space program set up to defend the Earth from a genuine ‘humanoid’ alien threat.

    The name of the organization was ‘S.H.A.D.O. That stood for Supreme Headquarters Alien Defence Organization. The central headquarters was based underneath a fully functional British tv/movie studio (there’s the entertainment connection again) but all its craft, called ‘Interceptors’ were based on the Moon. The base was called SHADO Moon base.

    It would appear that the concept of a secret space program that based its vehicles on the Moon was on someone’s mind at least at that time.

    It wasn’t a bad show.

  4. Miguel on January 7, 2014 at 12:02 am

    “There were too many UFO’s and too few Nazis”

    True!!! which brings us into another plausible scenario. The post-war Nazis might have been simply assimilated into an existing consortium that was already in place in South America – with Antarctica or other exotic island locations as hidding grounds for their technology and prototypes.

    Another issue is the technology and advanced physics developed on-shore in Germany during the III Reich. It might have been reverse engineered in Germany from “stuff” fed or sold (copyright infringements within competing German interests) as part of a regular feedback program between the advanced research to feed civilian applications to Grundig, Telefunken, Siemens, Thissen etc… from this existing off-shore research and development locations in South America.

    If you go back to the very first movie that spills the beans on offshore weapon development activities by german industrialists, i.e. Notorius by Alfred Hitchcock – one of the characters indicates that they were around in South America before WWI.

    There are also personal accounts on youtube of a Space Program going back to the early 20th century attempting a trip to Mars out of Argentina…not that I take them at face value but it is always interesting to keep in mind and evaluate the evidence some people may advance in this regard.

    I will end on a historical note… Could Hitler’s (read also group of nuts around him) demise have been induced by this off-shore group? It would explain a number of shenanigans between Hitler and the likes of Thissen who was sent off to jail.

    Somewhere within this existing off-shore group…there might have been Japanese Industrial interests as well…

    • Sagnacity on January 7, 2014 at 8:30 am

      Shades of there’s a secret advanced, and ancient civilization already on earth, or within the earth.

      Then see the air ship mystery of the 1880s into the early 1900s, John W Keely, etc.

      So not simply Nazi.

      • Miguel on January 7, 2014 at 11:39 am

        Yes! Thanks …in fact I was just reviewing Keely’s work as relayed by Dr. Farrell in his interview with the Dark Journalist…

        1.- Let me expand on my previous post… I don’t think it started out as a Nazi organization…In fact, I loath the term Nazi when talking about these Breakaway group since it brings all sorts of narratives and connotations to it. Those like Borrman who likely brought along the Bell Research into some already existing set-up (plus any other esoteric stuff found by Hitler’s Rasputin etc…) were only joining a pre-existing infraestructure that would help them break loose from their “Anglo liberators”-Rothschilds/Churchill- who were most likely seeking to hold on to the advanced german research they had been trying to get their hands on for so long.

        2.- This pre-existing off-shore set-up that was keeping all sorts of advanced military weapons systems and information technology in a safe haven way before WWII. In all likelihood “broke-away” from German land seeking a safe haven from constant meddling/spying before wwI and later on outright confiscation by the UK and others… as part of War Reparations…

        3.- And yes… It is very possible that this early diaspora of industrialists seeking safe haven spots, either joined, assimilated or were assimilated into groups like the ones described by Keely. Let’s not forget that high level Masons and people in key post at Secret Societies were aviators & aviation engineers themselves. Francisco Franco’s bother was one. He left his former Mason brothers, began writing a book about the charade behind the 33rd Degree and died in a plane crash while his house was being broken into and the manuscript taken… as his sister Pilar relayed years later before her death.

        4.- However, I do think that somewhow this breakway group with its funding its prototypes and research via patents to key visible industrial groups… does not literally acquire political wings and takes-off on everybody else until it rolls over the Intelligence+Crime Syndicate that Borrman, Gehlen and Skozerny managed to create for them…

        So… it would be a mistake to give too much credit to these Nazis for every single thing flying out there thought to be a “flying saucer” as early as late 1940 or 1947 (or even the foo fighters)- In all likelihood they were just advanced propulsion/jet systems developed by German Industrialists in South America.

        It would be an equally fatal mistake not to give them enough credit for the viciousness of the monster they created: Global Organized Crime (Drugscounterfeiting/Weapons procurement/Terrorism via Gladio etc…) rolled up into a network of Security Agencies (Intelligence, Police etc…) they control in the US and other places that matter to them: Europe, M.E. and later on Asia. It is at that point in which the big money is harnessed for bringing the prototypes into commercial use, courtesy of Tax Payers all over…not only the US.

        • Sagnacity on January 7, 2014 at 5:36 pm

          Yes Brazil would also be a possible place for an existing ancient civilization, hence some Nazi interest, akin to Tibet.

          Right, “Notorious” actually mostly made during World War Two-only really set up as after the war in the Miami scenes.

        • Robert Barricklow on January 7, 2014 at 8:28 pm

          I like you analyses miguel.
          I often thoght along those same lines.
          I’am reminded of Orwell’s: To see what’s in front of one’s nose requires a constant struggle. Or, Proust’s: The real voyage of dicovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes.

  5. DownunderET on January 6, 2014 at 2:22 pm

    Lets face it, if there are such hidden “factories’ if you will, then you need a lot of people to work in them. The more people the greater risk of someone “talking’. The secret space program run by the Breakaway Civilization must have an absolute doozie of a compartmented security system, otherwise the cat would be out of the bag.

    Richard Dolan often speaks of “pilots” who are away from home for months at a time, and their wives are no wiser to where they work or what they do. McKinnon found evidence of “space fleets and off world pilots”, so therefore somewhere on the planet “we do have” a space port. To keep this under wraps for all these years is just an incredible feat. You would have to have the ability to take off and land with nobody seeing you, so where would that place be, I think the most likely place is Antarctica. Joseph P. Skipper and his web site marsanomolyresearch dot com has an absolute plethora of photos that have been smudged taken of Antarctica. So why would you want to obfuscate something or base in Antarctica?

    • LSM on January 6, 2014 at 3:45 pm

      I agree with you totally, Downunder- although Dr. Farrell doesn’t seem to be very convinced about a faction being able to flourish in Antarctica (correct me if I’m wrong Dr. Farrell- and in no uncertain terms) why else would Project Highjump (a whole navy task force) have been sent to Antarctica?-

      more dots to connect:

      Turkish Admiral (if this cat was actually who we’ve been told he was) Piri Reis’ early 16th century map of the sub-strata of land under the ice in Antarctica-

      Graham Hancock’s hypothesis that Antarctica was at one time ca. 2500 miles farther north than it is now may actually have validity; he claims it was Atlantis; but then GH has never, ever considered the concept of a “cosmic war” in his writings (to my knowledge)-

      then I guess we should consider (or not) Adm. Byrd’s “leaked” testamonies about a hollow earth; I don’t have the answer- but I wouldn’t rule out anything- I came to the conclusion a long time ago the weirder, more bizarre, preposterous a concept initially appears chances are the more truth there is behind it-

      please continue to stay well-


      • basta on January 7, 2014 at 12:27 am

        If you have tech comparable to ET/UFOs, you don’t need to go all the way down to Antarctica to hide it; you just base the ships in a semi-remote area and blame it all on swamp gas and mock anyone who insists as a loon.

        As for Atlantis, Prof. Aysio Santos (though his book is appallingly written) makes a compelling case that Atlantis was located on the vast sunken plains of Indonesia–today’s Java Sea and the broad conitnental shelf that stretches up to Southeast Asia. A continental-sized area, on the equator, that was exposed during the last Ice Age and which would literally have been Paradise on earth. Fascinating proposition!

        • Enlil's a Dog on January 7, 2014 at 5:09 am

          “If you have tech comparable to ET/UFOs, you don’t need to go all the way down to Antarctica to hide it; you just base the ships in a semi-remote area and blame it all on swamp gas and mock anyone who insists as a loon”.

          Adding to that, Basta, if they were indeed on technological par with anything else out there, they wouldn’t even need to hide them in jungles or remote places on Earth.

          To completely remove any possiblity of down home detection they could just base them on the Moon or even Mars – that’s what Id do if headed up such a fleet??

  6. emlong on January 6, 2014 at 12:42 pm

    A skywatcher has his own sense of mind boggling scale. A few years ago I spent Christmas in France with my daughter who was teaching in Avignon. On the TGV from Paris we saw many chemtrail ops taking place in the countryside of France. Then when I arrived back home there was an enormous whiteout type spray op taking place overhead my farm. That sort of “scale” really gets your attention. I don’t think that most people understand how huge this thing is. It is planetary most every day.

  7. marcos toledo on January 6, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    As I am writing this I watching the Prophets of Science Fiction Jules Verne episode your triangle flying craft might be base on a commination of Robber’s two airships the Terror and the later Albatross. The later vehicle could run on the ground super sonic speed fly through the air and dive to the bottom of the sea. The first book was titled Robber The Conquer and it’s sequel Master Of The World. The Albatross I think was based on the airship mystery of eighteen ninety seven stories it was published in 1905 the first book in the mid nineteenth century since Verne kept abreast of technology and science I doubt he would miss the implication of those stories. So the elites may openly but down science fiction but secretly pay attention to it the smart ones that still some what think.

    • marcos toledo on January 6, 2014 at 12:35 pm

      I meant put down my mistake.

    • LSM on January 6, 2014 at 3:01 pm

      I continue to think Jules Verne and “Gulliver’s Travels” were inside information a waaay long time ago- now we’re being encouraged to concentrate exclusively on phenomena ‘officially’ originating in the skies- we all know the expression “as above, so below”- so why don’t we take this expression literally (I figure the concept “Occam’s Razor” fits into this if the concept has validity) as opposed to tacking some sort of a hidden meaning to it?- just my own personal cheap opinion but I think we’re experiencing phenomena occuring not only from some unexplained phenomena from the skies but also from some as yet undetermined source from within the earth itself- I think we’re being influenced from both sides; problem is: we refuse to acknowledge it because the thought of being fenced in is just to darned scary-

      then read Bill Cooper, Adm. Byrd’s supposedly “leaked” diary testamonies (if, IF there is truth behind this- IF!)- more dots to connect: read Davaid Paulides’ dual-volumn “Missing411” about unexplained disappearances in the American wilderness; as if these people were swallowed up by the earth…

      yes, I know all of this is a huge collective plate to digest; but, hey, since when has life on this earth been simple?-

      be well-

      Larry in Germany

  8. Frankie Calcutta on January 6, 2014 at 11:11 am

    I had a good Peruvian friend who was fond of telling me the story about the giant triangular shaped UFO that hovered over his city for short time when he was a kid and blotted out the Sun. The entire city had time to leave their homes and places of work and stand outside and witness it. He said it was huge. This UFO spectacle was one of three momentous events he experienced as a youth in Peru. The second was a massive earthquake that killed thousands of people. But by far the most momentous event to him growing up in Peru, more memorable than a UFO parked over the city or a devastating earthquake, was the 1970 Soccer (futbol) World Cup where Peru made it to the quarter finals only to be beat out by eventual winners–Pele and Brazil. When inebriated, my good Peruvian friend would always and inevitably get around to regaling all who would listen the events of that unforgettable World Cup– starting with the first qualifying games and then the grand finale of the fateful match with Brazil. No detail was left out. The story always ended with his sad weeping, which is what he claimed his entire city did for a week after the devastating loss.

    My friend also told me stories of a beach south of LIma where he and his friends would gather in the daytime to drink and catch the surf and and at night time– camp and watch UFOs dart in and out of the Pacific water– flying off into space a startling speeds. The UFO’s habits were regular and known by all. He confided to me that they were alien prospectors looking for gold on the sea floor. My friend also had the amazing ability to see plasma beings when drunk and I was privy to numerous conversations he had with these beings as they hovered around us while we celebrated life.

    Jorge, you are dearly missed.

    • jedi on January 6, 2014 at 12:01 pm

      This somehow has to tie in with Killaryan Clingon and her side kick commander Bar Action Obono.

  9. jedi on January 6, 2014 at 8:30 am

    They dont need too steal the money, that is a ruse, a phantom menace, a dead end……they just print money up from thin air and spend it lavishly on themselves…..think “lifestyles of the rich and famous”.

    The whole thing is of course crashing in on itself, once the “gifted by divine” were exposed as charlatans..by the reel deals… game over for mummy professor, rift raff and the rest of the cast of “bad”actors.

    There is a good scene in Batman 2 with Glorias Stienhams adopted boy, the Joker dressed in purple, and apparently poisoned to death in reel life, he accused his mummy and then his daddy in 2 different versions of how he got those scars on his mouth…… that was a interesting detail.

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