NASA’s NEW E-BOOK, PETROGLYPHS, AND EXTRATERRESTRIALS
This has been a very unusual week, and for that matter a very unusual period, for space news. First former President Clinton talked about Area 51 and extraterrestrials on Jimmy Kimmel's show. Then, in a move that still has many - your present author included - scratching their heads, Pope Francis I gave his unusual sermon in which he openly stated that if Martians - note the reference to a near neighbor rather than a different star system - demanded baptism, the Roman church should welcome them. As I pointed out in last Thhursday's News and Views from the Nefarium, this statement came after a month of Vatican attention on matters extraterrestrial, when the Vatican astronomer Funes indicated he thought that aliens might not have to be baptized. Then, following Francis I's gentle "corrective statement," Guy Consolmagno made similar extraterrestrial statements at a commencement address in Georgetown. My conclusion and high octane speculation from all this was that we are looking at the first quiet steps in the "updating" of the papal claims and their extension into outer space - and whoever might be out there - itself.
Indeed, if one looks back at recent space events during the past few years, and takes a synoptic view of them, it is a strange picture. There was the curious "Norway spiral" incident, in which a a Russian missile test firing was apparently interferred with by a strange "spiral" apparition over northern Norway. "Coincidentally," Europe's version of HAARP, EISCAT, was apparently turned on full blast on or near the time of the Russian test. This was followed by a strange pronouncement by German Chancellorin Merkel who indicated that Germany "didn't really need" the US's "missile defense shield". We went ahead with plans to deploy it in Europe anyway.
Then there was the strange affair of the Chelyabinsk meteor. A month prior to this bollide's explosion over this major Russian city, and major center of the Russian nuclear industry, former Russian president Dmitri Medvedev made curious statements that Russia needed to spend a lot of money and build an "asteroid monitoring and defense system," in concert with other powers optimally, but unilaterally and on its own if it could not. Then the meteor exploded over Chelyabinsk a month later, and some videos were circulated indicating the possibility that someone or something deliberately exploded the object in order to prevent the possibility of it slamming into the ground and causing much more damage. Some even speculated that someone else had deliberately hurled the object at Russia.
Last year, as all of this was occurring, I published Covert Wars and the Clash of Civilizations, in which I argued the equally high octane speculation that, in their efforts to address and understand the UFO phenomenon, and perhaps even to initiate some form of communication, the breakaway civilization/secret space program/national security apparatus - whatever one wishes to call it - would leave no historical text unexamined, and no historical stone unturned, in its effort to understand the phenomenon and communicate. I suggested that things like crop circles may be such an attempt. It was, I thought, a strange and bizarre argument to make, for it implied that some version of the "ancient astronaut theory," of von Daeniken's Chariots of the Gods, would actually be an a hypothesis informing some of these efforts.
Well, this week many of you, including Ms. B.H. and Mr. S.D. sent me versions of the following story. It seems that NASA is entertaining precisely such ideas and concepts:
Have aliens already visited Earth? Nasa book suggests that ancient rock art could have been created by extraterrestrials
There is, toward the end of the article, the usual bow to any potential ET's "Radical Otherness":
"‘Like archaeologists who reconstruct temporally distant civilisations from fragmentary evidence, Seti researchers will be expected to reconstruct distant civilisations separated from us by vast expanses of space as well as time.
"‘As we attempt to decode and interpret extraterrestrial messages, we will be required to comprehend the mindset of a species that is radically Other.’"
But the idea of examining ancient texts and lore that suggest such previous contact tell a different story, namely, one of genetic compatibility. "Radical otherness" is not in view. Rather, what is in view is "radical similarity," or to use repeat one of my favorite ideas, humanity has "cousins" out there.
What really intrigues me about this book however - and I have not read it, merely this article - is what else it apparently states:
"In one section, for example, William Edmondson from the University of Birmingham considers the possibility that rock art on Earth is of extraterrestrial origin.
"‘We can say little, if anything, about what these patterns signify, why they were cut into rocks, or who created them,’ he writes.
"‘For all intents and purposes, they might have been made by aliens.’
"The book is titled Archaeology, Anthropology and Interstellar Communication."
I find this interesting at any number of levels. First, is the level of detail. Most versions of ancient astronaut theory have it that petroglyphic art of the type depicted in the article are not the creations of "ETS" but rather of primitive man attempting to record his encounters with "the gods." Here what is being suggested is a slight variation on the theme: petroglyphs are not human art, but ET's art, a proposition that, given the crude nature of petroglyphic art, I find difficult to believe.
Nonetheless, what really intrigues here is the "macrolevel," for such speculations are being openly entertained in a study by NASA indicate something profound has happened in western culture in the decades since von Daeniken's Chariots first appeared. When that book first came out, it provoked a fire storm of controversy, and at the head of the line of "denouncers and debunkers" were religious conservatives and fundamentalists, and, of course, academics, eagerly pointing out the flaws and assumptions of the book. The idea was fringe.
Now, it is seriously - even if only briefly - entertained in a serious "academic" study. It's about five decades after the fact, but better late than never.
What it more intriguing, however, is that the study may constitute something of a backhanded admission, that the type of speculations I advanced in Covert Wars and Clash of Civilizations may not be all that far off base, and that such speculations, briefly admitted in public, may constitute a much more staple line of investigation secretly than might first be imagined.
In any case, it's more strange "space news" in a year that has proven thus far to be a slow drip of very strange space pronouncements. And that suggests some serious social engineering might be taking place.
See you on the flip side.
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The early spanish explorers noted that the aboriginals treated them as gods, gave gifts, and asked to be healed….
If a civilization advanced on a island, over thousands upon thousands of years, to be peaceful and get along with one another. That would produce a gentler type of human hunter as opposed too hunters that relied on cannibalism on the mainland.
This contact between these civilizations is the biggest coverup in human history.
NASA, Vatican vs. The Electric Universe; Theological Implications of the lame Alien Interpretation of Petrogylphs – Roman Catholicism vs. Mitharism and the Hellenistic mystery religions
NASA’s promotion of a theory of ancient petrogylphs and Extraterrestrials seems nothing more than a lame response to the gaining momentum and indisputable conclusions of The Theory of the Electric Universe put forth by David Talbert and Wal Thorton Thunder Bolts project http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/ . The Petrogylphs are pictures of pre-historic cataclysmic Plasmistic events. Why the suppression of the Electric Universe theory? It overturns prevailing foundations of cosmology put forth by institutional scientific cosmology and NASA.
The theory of the Electric Universe is nothing less than a Copernican turning. And if one were to play the part of Giordano Bruno at this juncture it would be asked “what are the theological implications of such a fundamental change in cosmology?”
The Victorian discussion The theological problem of the electric universe is interestingly framed in Maxwell (especially his poetry= the Disussion of Maxwell’s last poem http://www.southalabama.edu/mathstat/personal_pages/silver /last.poem.pdf , as well as Stewart and Tait’s Unseen Universe, William Thompson)
The continuation of Two Egyptian Religions. Roman Catholicism (material Universe cosmology) vs Mithraism (electric Universe cosmology)
But high octane speculation might connect the theological implications of the Electric Universe to High Finance. The simultaneous rise of Roman Catholic Church and the Hellenestic Mystery religion Mithraism in Rome (Livingstone – The Dying God) . Although Livingstone doesn’t allude to any connection I would like to suggest the connection of Mithraism, alchemy, advance forms of electroplating brought from Babylon, a congregation mostly made up by Roman Military the easy adoption by Roman military metal smithing , and cloaking the transfer gold supply by the counterfeiting of Roman coin currency, the transfer of real gold to the Northern swamps of Venice. An analogous scenario to the scenario being played out in Amerika and the rigging of the current Comex and paper gold market. Old wine, new bottles? Renditions of the same playbook?
As a new member to the chat room I look forward to going out on such “twigs of speculation” with Joseph and the gang.
“petroglyphs are not human art, but ET’s art, a proposition that, given the crude nature of petroglyphic art, I find difficult to believe.”
Why so hard to believe? If YOU were stranded on a desert island, do you think that YOU (or any average American) would produce truly sophisticated “rock art” when all you had were your hands and the environment (no metal tools of any kind)?
Stranded, as in, your spacecraft malfunctioned. Or, you were exiled here. Or, your home planet (AKA “the asteroid belt”) blew up and you only had a few minutes to throw a few things into your (space) vehicle to escape with your life.
I would hazard a guess that “space aliens” can get “stranded” in exactly the way we terrestrials can get stranded, and end up completely helpless, more helpless than a completely “primitive” native. Why the assumption that “aliens” can only appear to us in their full technological glory?
It seems to me that “sophisticated civilization” is a very fragile thing. One human being, or even a few, from a “modern” civilization, with nothing but the clothes on their backs, with all the knowledge in the world but no tools of any kind, is not much better than a “primitive” native from the jungle. Add to that, that in our case at least, the average citizen, even though using all of the technological wonders of our age, knows almost nothing about how any of it works. Most Americans don’t even know the rudiments of high school level chemistry or physics. I would bet that many “space travelers” (if there are any) are in the same boat: completely ignorant of the technology they are able to use with ease.
ps. I am no expert, but the opinions I’ve heard are that at least some rock painting is considered to be very sophisticated (certainly beyond my skill, and probably beyond the skill of most people who are not trained as an artist). And think of the ‘tools’ they had! Almost nothing compared to what “civlized” artists have used for the last few thousand years.
By definition Aliens, Angels, Demons, even God are all extraterrestrials. Therefore, we have been in contact with these entities for our entire existence.
If we assume, that most of these entities live extremely long lives, including eternal lives, the one thing they have going for them we don’t is time. Any agenda these entities would carry out concerning this planet and the beings on it would be carried out over extremely long time spans very subtly in order not to tip their hand. The technologies at their disposal would be incomprehensible to us; even today it would appear to be magic, angelic or demonic depending on ones interpretation.
Given the apparent trend over what little history we have managed to record, it would appear that humanity seems to be a centerpiece of a struggle between “good” and “evil”, the main prize so to speak.
Recently we have come to realize we may not be the first highly evolved technological civilization on this planet. What is happening today may have occurred many times in the past. What little evidence remains from any of these prior civilizations is snapped up and hidden from us by people who seem to have their own
agenda which doesn’t seem to bode well for those not in the loop.
Events seem to be accelerating now in a nonlinear fashion toward some critical point with the apparent aid of those in the know. This acceleration seems to be in panic mode at the present. The uninformed masses will not have any prior warning of this event. Those in the know most likely have recently realized or at least suspect what may be coming and are making whatever preparations they deem necessary to save themselves at our expense, so it would seem.
It may come down to a “Rule in hell or serve in Heaven” scenario. The choice is a personal one to be sure.
“By definition Aliens, Angels, Demons, even God are all extraterrestrials. Therefore, we have been in contact with these entities for our entire existence”- maybe- or they have to be in touch with us to support (like slavery) THEIR existence-
“If we assume, that most of these entities live extremely long lives, including eternal lives, the one thing they have going for them we don’t is time”- time does not exist; only man-made clocks exist-
“Recently we have come to realize we may not be the first highly evolved technological civilization on this planet. What is happening today may have occurred many times in the past”- it most probably did; according to some sources there have already been six extinctions on this planet-
“Recently we have come to realize we may not be the first highly evolved technological civilization on this planet”- wonder of wonders!-
my posting is actually very much in agreement with which you have stated-
so now I have a really personal question: why did you choose such a ghoulish name as ‘Walking Dead’ to comment on this website?-
I figure baptism is on the same level as communion: the radical Baptists take it to an extreme by temporarily saving people from a quickly immersed drowning but communion saves no one from symbolic cannibalism (drinking our “savior”s blood, eating his body- what a visual)- so I guess baptism may be the alternative to want to “communion” with “aliens”-
so why was Whitley Strieber’s most famous book entitled “Communion”?-
“humanity has “cousins” out there”- if so they have to be blood relatives to a certain extent; so which is thicker: blood or water?-
obviously blood is primarily made of water (am I making any sense of myself so far?) so why would a Bozo Pope first offer Aliens a baptism (assuming Aliens can tolerate earthly water) instead of taking it a step farther and having the Aliens accept our symbolic cannibalism of “our universal savior”- right-
I certainly don’t have the answer to this but why would a Bozo Pope first offer the “rite” of baptism before the stronger “rite” of cannibalizing our universal savior which absolves us of all of our universal sins?-
something’s not right here and I’m sure everyone has smelled it…
be well all-
From Dana and Lost I am getting the felling that this book in written in the mold of Report From Iron Mountain style. Any idea if a real book version of this will be put out soon the idea of reading a 330 page book over the computer doesn’t really turn me on. Well what other cat Never A Straight Answer let out of the bag soon awaiting the next surprise with baited breath.
Looking up “Civilizations beyond Earth – Extraterrestrial Life and Society” we find that a paperback book with similar (not same) contents came out in Aug. 2013; preview available on “Amazon”. It has the same editor, D. A. Vokoch; but no NASA logo. In the past 3 or 4 years Vakoch has edited other books – unfortunately rather pricey – on similar subjects.
A look into the publishers and authors involved in these initiatives might prove interesting.
Twenty or thirty years ago all this stuff would have been in the “believe it or not” category, but what a difference the subject is today, and the Pope gets a curtain call. I still think Richard C. Hoagland and Mike Barra’ book “Dark Mission” is the definitive work on the cover up that’s been going on for all this time. Then enter the International Space Station, they have thrown billions at this sky high country club and I for one don’t know “WHAT” they are doing up there. For all the hoop and holla about ET’s, UFO’ and our galactic genetic cousins, we are still using “rockets” to get us into space, and the reason why? it’s simple, the internal combustion engine and 747′, and until that comes to an end, it will remain in DEEP BLACK TERRITORY.
Hoagland, that force of nature.
Who is Hoagland, really?
I see him as a “spokesperson” for something or someone: his wallet and /or the system: “drip, drip, drip”…
And I don´t think for one second that any of those ideas are his. They are someone else´s ideas, I bet.
What he has is verve. Lots of it. He is a great salesman, but nothing more that that and his record shows it.
Barra comes in because Hoagland need someone to do the hard work for him.
It doesn’t matter if you like Hoagland or not, it’s the book that made the case of a cover up. Either you like him or hate him, the work that he and Mike Barra did was in my opinion “ground breaking”.
It is not a matter of hate. Why would I hate Hoagland? He has done nothing wrong to me.
That being said, you will have to agree that he also has done a lot to hurt the credibility of what he says. And if you follow him carefully you will know that what HE tends to sell the work of others as his own.
Not to mention his wild speculations (remember the silly Elenin debacle, or Obama endorsement) that seriously undermine “his” most solid observations by association, and of those to them connected.
Speculation on polemic matters must be built on solid ground or else we will be doing a desservice to an honest reasoning and to Truth.
The mere assumption by NASA (plus Vatican comments) is a sure indicator of interesting times ahead.
So sure that no speculation is needed, IMHO.
I wonder if te “news” will be oficial as soon as the dollar starts to plunge for real.
On that momment, with that disclosure, real or fake, we will learn that the US has some kick-ass tech. And that would bring things to business as usual – more or less.
It’s also selling the model of ancient mankind as too stupid to have recorded these complex representations of significant events and some kind of other being.
In other words, it must be alien, not part of the shared experience of human history stretching back hundreds of thousands of years at least.
Just skimming through this 330-page e-book, we see that the language is regularly couched in the future or conditional tense, saying what we “will” or “would” have to do “if” certain things occur, somewhat in Brookings Report style. Anyway Joseph will be able to say “Bingo!” since there are references to the European colonization of the Americas as a model for “hypothetical” contact with off-world cultures.