Pope Francis I and Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople Bartheolomeos are planning to hold an ecumenical love-in at Nicea, site of the first ecumenical council in 325, for the year 2025, on the 1700th anniversary of that council which gave, in one form or another, the creed used by most liturgical Christian churches to this day:

Christian Leaders May Return to Nicaea: What Does It Mean?

As the article points out, the Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople, in spite of recent pronouncements from the Ecumenical Patriarchate of a nature that many Orthodox regard as "neo-papal", does not have nor hold a central authoritative office within Eastern Orthodoxy similar to the Pope in the Latin Church. Indeed, for many students of Church history, the growing assertion of papal claims were one principal cause, among many others differences, for the eventual break of communion between the two Churches.

The Atlantic's article raises the principle question: what does it mean? Such symbolic actions have occurred before, when then Pope Paul VI and then Patriarch Athenagoras agreed to lift their church's excommunications of each other. The trouble was, of course, Athenagoras spoke only for himself, and not for other Orthodox bishops, who retained those excommunications in their services. Thus, should any sort of mutual dogmatic statement or formal agreement of reunion emerge from the council, it will, in this author's opinion, probably be on Rome's, not Orthodoxy's, terms, since rumors have long abounded within the Orthodox world that the Ecumenical patriarchate itself is propped up largely by money coming from the Vatican. Any statement of formal union that might result at such a council, if it leaves intact all features of both churches, would, to traditional Orthodox, be highly problematic best. "Saints," such as the murderous Domingo (Dominic) Guzman, founder of the Inquisition, would have to be accepted, or at the minimum, it would have to be understood that Roman Catholics could go on honoring him as such. In the case of such formal agreements, there would be an inevitable schism within the Orthodox world, and if the Patriarchate of Moscow, arguably the most powerful and influential within Eastern Orthodoxy, were to concur in any such formal agreements or statements, it could provoke internal schisms within the Russian Church, and these in turn could weaken the government, or, conversely, lead to government interventions, or both. Should such agreements occur, and Moscow not accept them, it could lead to internal divisions between Greek Orthodox Church jurisdictions associated with Constantinople, and Slavic jurisdictions associated with Moscow, and further weakening the Orthodox world.

Indeed, that might be the hidden geopolitical objective. And that suggests that other geopolitical (and therefore financial) agendas may be in view. As we have repeatedly emphasized on this website, Mr. Putin and the BRICSA bloc have been constant thorns in the side of the western power structure, of which the Vatican is, to be sure, an integral part. One may be looking at an attempt to integrate Christendom by means of various "paper unions" designed ultimately to suborn Russia, the one remaining Orthodox power within the BRICSA bloc, for strictly speaking, any accord with Rome in which Rome does not renounce the papal claims and other theological issues, are not Orthodox, and therefore, impossible for Orthodoxy to enter into.

Thus, make no mistake about it, barring any change in the Russian government, Mr. Putin and whoever is the incumbent in the Patriarchate of Moscow in 2025, will face their biggest test of diplomacy, for it could be argued that this is the Atlanticist-globalist agenda at work, in the guise of ecumenism. In that respect, it would behoove all who contemplate the meaning of Rome's attempts to update itself from Vatican II on, to recall that at the Second Vatican Council, amid all the wonderful flowery rhetoric flowing out of its decrees, the language of one component of Roman Catholic doctrine did not change, and that was precise the component concerning the papal claims itself, which were asserted in all their fullness, and without any margin for misinterpretation.

See you on the flip side.

(MANY thanks to Mr. S.D. for bringing this to our attention.)

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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. LSM on June 22, 2014 at 8:51 am

    “the eventual break of communion between the two Churches”- ex-communication may have occurred elsewhere, if it holds any water;

    2025 is a long time in the future; besides, the last two Councils of Nicea turned Christianity on its head- why should the next planned one be any different?-

    then consider this which I gleaned from the website:

    “the eventual break of communion between the two Churches”- ex-communication may have occurred

    “Pope Francis takes on the Italian mafia: ‘They are excommunicated’

    Pope Francis recently did away with his bullet proof “popemobile.” Now, he’s taking on the well-armed Italian mafia by excommunicating its members.

    “Those who in their life have gone along the evil ways, as in the case of the mafia, they are not with God, they are excommunicated,” the Pope said, CNN reported Saturday.

    The pope’s declaration constitutes the first time a Pope has ever excommunicated members of the mob from the Catholic Church, CNN reported.

    Pope Francis continued his speech by denouncing a major southern Italian crime syndicate, called ‘Ndrangheta, as an example of “the adoration of evil and contempt for the common good,” CNN reported.

    In early June the pope said he wasn’t worried about losing the bulletproof glass historically provided by his security detail. “I know that something could happen to me, but it’s in the hands of God,” he said.

    Read more:…#ixzz35JVqhhno

    then do the research into the hideous accusations that both Ratzinger/Borgoglio were involved in satanic child murders (I think we can assume they were the latest in a looong line) then we get a slightly different angle on things;

    could it be it’s getting too “hot” for these ‘gentlemen’?- anyone still believing Ratzinger bowed-out due to ‘health reasons’ (give us a break) needs to do the research on his life-

    and if Borgoglio (he’s a Jesuit- HallOO!) suddenly ‘dies’ (and the Catholic world will subsequently shed spasms of uncontrollable tears) I think we can all assume his death would be faked;

    and if this on-the-surface exceedingly friendly, smiley man is a man of “God” I’ll eat my living room- otherwise he wouldn’t be head of the Vatican-

    I think he’s the last card the global financial elite is playing (one needs to think ‘Vatican Bank’ to grasp this concept)-

    please stay well all-


  2. Konsti on June 22, 2014 at 6:48 am

    Dr. Farrell, could you please share your thoughts on upcoming Orthodox Churches Ecumenical Council 2016 in Istanbul.
    Thank you.

  3. Miguel on June 21, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    I am out on a limb here and don’t know exactly how this fits into the whole picture. Also, not sure how Orthodox teachings tie in with the Gnostic tradition…

    I took my daughter to see Malificent (Disney Inc.) with Anjelina Jolie. The Sleeping Beauty story is turned around and mixed with what appears a Creation story in the Gnostic tradition that i had heard relayed before by Antonio Pinyero, Senior Faculty (leading Greek Philologysts) at Universidad Complutense de Madrid. A feminine angle rebels along with others (Malificent) and creates Man/Humand Kind (Sleeping Beauty) who casts a curse (original sin?) when she is her wings are clipped (cast out by God) that only True love can wipe out. The Good/Evil co-existence!

    I strongly recommend the movie! of course, parental guidance is strongly advised.

  4. DownunderET on June 21, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    I’d like to know what Yahweh would think of all this if he were alive, I think he would gold stamp this union, and the only reason he would, would be more control over more people.
    A one world religion, just imagine what ‘clout” that would have, and don’t think the elites haven’t thought about it.
    The only exception would be the muslim’s and they are an exception just because they are all card carrying nutjobs on the basis of a book, there’s that word again, and once the book becomes god, then it’s all over red rover.

  5. Robert Barricklow on June 21, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    Basically it is a Zionist plot. Israel closed its embassies to pull out personnel. Project Sampson(Israeli nukes put in place via Israeli embassies like Paris, DC, London, etc., & set to go off). The red herring of orphans at US borders that caused the Fema camps to become operational, will be put instead, to their designed uses. Reason, after reason; action after action; all under other guises are brought into light with the zionist June 22nd deep event.
    Hope this is an intellectual exercise in what-IFs; because Fetzer sure makes a starling case for the unthinkable.
    But, then again, 9/11 was unthinkable(4 most).

    • Robert Barricklow on June 21, 2014 at 2:59 pm

      Having a hell of a time getting computer to perfume functions. This was supposed to go under the 11:04 am post.
      A Chinese-style of internet censorship/the multiplicity of tortuous tasks done – just to one simple simple task:
      Post this Fetzer radio BlogSpot with said brief description.
      Hope it’s just another warning, that for whatever reason, came to naught.

  6. marcos toledo on June 21, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    The Roman Catholic church will have to abandon the idea that it’s number one and the Protestant churches stop clawing each other eyes out. The Protestants will have to get their house in order and come up a statement of their faith and put a leash on their more fringe elements. The Orthodox churches have the same problem but have been successful in preventing the fringe elements in their churches gaining leavers of power unlike the west. this is only step one before there can possibility of thinking of a east west union of Christianity. Until the western churches end their rivalries and power trips don’t even think of healing schism that divide the Eastern and Western churches.

  7. marcos toledo on June 21, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    They left out the Coptic and Abyssinian churches out of this meeting. The real problem is that the Western churches balkanize and in reality are tribal cults. And have wage tribal warfare among themselves and against the Eastern Orthodox churches the old barbarians attacking the Roman Empire enslaved to perpetual warfare. The Roman Catholic church would have to at a start set aside it’s claim to being the head of Christianity and the Protestant churches stop calling the Catholic church the Whore of Babylon as well. What the chance that the Western churches getting their act together I wouldn’t bet the farm on it.

  8. Robert Barricklow on June 21, 2014 at 11:04 am

    Jim Fetzer is trying hard to blow the whistle on a new world wide 9/11 that’s scheduled for tomorrow June 22. There is a human sacrifice taking place in Denver the night before on June 21.

  9. Aridzonan_13 on June 21, 2014 at 6:32 am

    I wonder if they’re going to take any of the heretical gospels or teachings off the black list. I.e. women in the clergy, the fact that Jusef ben Joseph was married and re-incarnation…

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