A LITTLE FLIGHT MH 17 ROUNDUP
I had fully expected to begin this week's blogs with a review of some of the geopolitical stories of the past month, but after my News and Views from the Nefarium and yesterday's blog, I've been virtually flooded with news and articles about the subject of the shootdown of Malaysia Air flight 17, none of which I have had any time to check out. So why am I trying to summarize some of the recent finds here? Well, for one thing, as a kind of cultural mirror of what we've become: we've become a world that no longer buys easy official stories about anything, and in a way, that's a good thing. But it's also a bad thing, because it demonstrates how low the standing of western institutions has fallen. And they have only themselves to blame.The second reason I'm sharing all these stories is to show how quickly people now begin to gather data and analyze, and how each such event does seem to have a multi-leveled nature, as if several motivations or objectives were being accomplished all at once. Here's what some of that snooping and sniffing has already found out, along with my usual high octane speculation commentary:
Mama Merkel is (Pretending to be?) Out of Her Chancellorial Mind
Yea, you guessed it: the West's organs of mass disinformation and hypnotism are already pointing the finger of suspicion at Russia, and Mama Merkel wants to be part of the fun:
World Leaders Match Anger With Calls for Inquiry Into Ukraine Plane Crash
OK, so maybe Mama Merkel wasn't pointing the finger of suspicion as loudly at Russia as everyone else seems to be (after all, she knows that Russia has nothing to gain, and Russia knows she knows, and she knows that Russia knows that she knows, and they both know that the NSA knows that she knows that Russia knows that she knows). But she does seem to be cheerily goosestepping along with Washington's line that Russia is to blame for the whole Ukrainian fiasco, which most people also know is nonsense, and Mama Merkel knows this, knows that Russia knows it, and knows that Russia knows that she knows that Russia knows &c. And she knows Germany gets a lot of its energy from Russia. We'll get back to Germany in tomorrow's blog, by way of a stopover in France. The bottom line here to remember is that it's an old chancellorial tradition, since Bismarck, for German chancellors to say one thing to keep London and Washington happy (notice I left out Paris, which is currently very unhappy), while quietly setting out to do very different things, like absorb Austria and Czechoslovakia, or expel CIA station chiefs.
Blame Russia, for it is the Home of Moustache Twirling Evil:
As if on cue, the current sock puppet-in-chief has weighed in to denounce Russia with a string of somersaulting non sequiturs truly breathtaking in its scope and intensity:
Monitors find confusion, hostility at Malaysia Airlines crash site
The "logic" here is truly a wonder to behold: (1) Russian missiles did it (2) the rebels had Russian missiles, (3) Russians had to train them (4) Russia is guilty, (5) we need more sanctions against Russia (hidden text here: "Will you guys over at the CIA pleeaase find those poison cigars that you were going to use on Castro and send some to Putin?") Now, what's missing in this whole analysis is the very annoying problem of why Russia, or for that matter, Ukrainian rebels, would want to scuttle their prospects in world opinion by shooting down a civilian airliner, either by accident or by intention. It makes no geopolitical sense. Then there's the little teensy weensy problem of point number 3 above. Russian missiles don't necessarily have to come directly from Russia, and even if they did, they don't necessarily have to have Russians train the rebels. Pretty much anyone who's kept up their subscription to Jane's Defence Weekly would probably have some idea how to do it (we assume, of course, for the sake of argument here, that Msrs. Poroshenkorruption, Soros and Brzznsk are regular readers).
Was the Flight Deliberately Diverted over the Donetsk Region?
This one pretty much speaks for itself:
Was Flight MH-17 Diverted Over Restricted Airspace?
Except for another teensy problem: if it was diverted, who did the diverting? Given the West's rather low standing in the aftermath of the Ukraine fiasco not even the West has anything to gain by staging such an event(yes I know I know, you're supposed to say "Ukraine" now without the definite article, but I'm sorry, I refuse to butcher the English language just for the sake of being "PC", it's still the United Kingdom, and in my obsolete grammar book, it's still the Ukraine, Ketchup Kerry's droning pronouncements notwithstanding). Of course, if it didn't, then who did? (And no, for the Israel-is-behind-everything-bad-that-happens crowd, I don't think they did either. Just because they exploited the crisis in Gaza doesn't mean they're behind the shootdown.) I'm still waiting for someone to blame _____ (Fill in the blank with your favorite "evil nation", Iran, China, Syria, Mon(ster)santo, &c).
Then there was that Italian Airliner Thing...
Now, this one is one of those "memory recall" moments, sent to me in an email, so I don't have an article to share, but Mr. S.D., a regular reader here, sent me an email reminding me about the NATO/French attempts to shoot down Qadaffi's airplane with French fighters, until, according to some reports, Italy, with ties to Libya dating from before World War Two, quietly informed Qadaffi of the effort. Then, you'll recall, an Italian airliner was shot down.... accidentally of course.
And then finally, there are the Passengers...
This one comes courtesy of The Huffington Post, whose headline says it all:
True enough, like flight 370, this flight seems more than suspiciously loaded with people with "unusual interests and expertise" that, in the typical modus operandi of the sorts of evil people that do such evil things, could have been a corollary objective, for it's a favorite technique of mounting such operations that several operational goals or objectives are combined. So again, the question of cui bono is relevant.
But it seems clear who does not benefit from such an operation: none of the countries or major powers mentioned really has anything to gain by planning and executing such an operation (in my opinion), neither the Ukraine, nor Russia, nor Germany, Great Britain, France, Italy, and yes, not even Iran or Israel or China or Mon(ster)santo or any of the usual "bad guys". To be sure, it is the rule of geopolitics that if an event occurs that you haven't orchestrated or engineered, then if it is possible to do so, you exploit it for your own purposes.
Which leaves an interesting question, doesn't it? For if all that is the case, then who did do it? From the threadbare bits of data thus far gathered, it certainly appears that this was someone's deliberate act. The real question is, whose?
See you on the...
Oh yea, one more thing: there are also some saying that the bodies were already dead, and some, of course, are already saying that the bodies of MH 17 are in reality the bodies of MH 370... Just had to mention it for the sake of completeness:
Bizarre Account of Malaysian 'Plane Crash'
Rebel Leader Gives Bizarre Account of Plane Crash
See you on the flip side.
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Two addenda: The Fourth Crusade captures Constantinople by assault. The Byzantine emperor Alexios III Angelos flees from his capital into exile (1208). And an American Apollo and a Soviet Soyuz spacecraft dock with each other in orbit marking the first such link-up between spacecraft from the two nations (1975).
A lot of enlightening and interesting comments, as usual. I will just add a look at the date of the event, 17 July. Firstly, and most importantly imo, this is the anniversary of the murder of the Tsar Nicholas II and his family by the Bolsheviks in 1918. It is also the same day as the infamous explosion of TWA Flight 800 off Long Island in 1996. For a little geopolitical twist it is also the birthday of German Chancellor Angela Merkel (1954) and Supreme Leader of Iran Ayatollah Ali Khamenei (1939).
Regards to all
From a comment on Vineyardsaker:
Today (July 23), Anna-News published an interview with a Russian Air Force retired colonel Aleksand Zhilin who is a frequent military commentator on the conflict in Ukraine. The most important information is stated at 2:00-5:00 in the interview.
According to the colonel, at 16:19:45, a Ukrainian jet fighter targeted the Boeing with an air-to-air missile R-60. The missile damaged the right engine of the Boeing. The Boeing was hit, but still managed to stay in the air. However, in doing so, the Boeing turned 180 degrees to the left. It was at this moment that the false flag attack started falling apart. According to Zhilin, part of the plan controlled by the US with Ukrainian hands executing it was to have the Boeing crash past the southern frontline by the Ukrainian-Russian border. Had the Boeing fallen there, securing the crash sites with the troops in response to international pressure was on top of all else effectively allow Kiev to lift the encirclement of its brigades in the southern pocket by the Russian border.
When, however, the Boeing started to turn in the opposite direction and was still apparently manageable, “the US-Ukrainian headquarters of the special operation panicked and order the Buk battery to destroy the plane in the air in order to pre-empt the possibility of the Boeing’s emergency landing.” A Buk missile was fired and the plane was then finally destroyed.
The disclosure of the Russian electronic intelligence (in fact, only one part of it) on July 21 put the US against the wall. The existence of this intelligence and other data also means that the US cannot show the real intelligence, which they also have, including the data from their electronic warfare exercise SEA BREEZE 2014 and the data from their spy satellite, which just happened to be over the area during the downing of the Malasysian Boeing.
The other relevant information, which the Russian colonel revealed, was that the Malaysian Boeing was insured for $97 million against damages or losses as a result of military actions.
URL from above http://anna-news.info/node/18766
Here is an interesting video on how NSA maintains silence and coverage about what it knows about the missing MH 370:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxjTPJgAGaU
In other words, NSA keeps the world in darkness on a global scale, protected by a corrupt jurisdictional system. It finds that nobody has a need to know about any of this.
Whatever NSA is doing, it’s obvious it’s not doing it for the people. 2,3 trillion USD smuggled through black projects into private hands to enable these powers to keep the world in darkness. Thank you very much!
Could it be that NSA keeps this silence precisely because the requested data shows it went to Diego Garcia? Because after all, you do need to have a reason for hiding the information that was requested, else you would share it.
It’s obvious what happens when you request more of the truth to be released to the public – the request gets denied.
Very interesting debris study points towards MH 17 debris potentially being MH 370 debris. Was this a synchronized stage event/setup involving two Boeing airliners?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnzpfCb-NzE
I’ve looked more closely at this study now, compared images from several sources, I lacked clear evidence that the debris pictured belongs to MH 370, that could simply not be claimed be the case based on the image available to me. Now, that does not mean it could not have been re-painted etc. but I concluded the link is so weak based on the evidence found in this study, that more detailed evidence and information beyond this study would be needed to claim the debris belongs to the HR 370 based on the evidence in this study, the opposite seems to correlate more strongly it appears.
But if MH 17 was not the same as MH 370, then that would indicate there could be more airliner incidents ahead in case the MH 370 was successfully hijacked for the purpose of carrying out a mission. More information will further detail what kind of scenario we are looking at.
Guilt By Insinuation
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/21/guilt-insinuation-paul-craig-roberts/
Whistleblower: Ukrainian Troops Shot Down MH17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR5HtzbMy-E
Whistleblower: U.S. Satellite Images Show Ukrainian Troops Shooting Down MH17
Source tells award winning reporter Washington lying about responsibility for tragedy
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/20/what-did-us-spy-satellites-see-in-ukraine/
The tell is that Kiev sent the BUK high altitude missle system to the east just last week to fight an army that has no aircraft. Flight MA 17 changed it route to over fly the war zone on instruction from Kiev’s air traffic controllers,the original (normal) flight plan was to the north of the battlefield. This shows intent and Kiev has tampered with the radar and communications records for that time without waiting for the international team to come inspect the records. Kiev has also not asked for an international investigative team officially either. Polackchenko wants european involvement(nato) and this is the fastest way to bring in the big guns on his side,blaming Russia and the ethnic russian population of Ukraine.
Good points.
The signature of an inside job with layers upon layers of deception are here. And here is another analyses:
http://forbiddenknowledgetv.com/page/26548.html
there’s someone saying that the flight was deliberately “diverted” to the conflict zone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXQ_8_KUT3w&feature=youtu.be
the 10 previous flights were well away from the warzone.
Does the trend continue if you go back to the previous 100 flight? Don’t know.
Also, the Russian ambassador to the UN made a good point: it is the responsibility of any government’s ATC to steer ALL civilian flights AWAY from war zones in its territory.
I’m going to borrow Joseph’ high octane speculation here and crawl way out to the end of the twig. If anybody wanted to bring down a commercial airliner and leave absolutely “no evidence”, then what kind of weapon would you use, answer, a very exotic one. And more to the point, everyone is pointing their fingers at the Russian built BUK surface to air missile system which the Ukraine military have, BUT, that once fired can be tracked. Remember that Russian missile that blew up on it’s way to Mars, and the Russian military guy saying “there is some very sophisticated energy weapons” that are not known about in the world, think [BLACK] here. Also remember 9/11, that was exotic.
Someone is saying that the Russians are saying that they somehow “tracked” a Ukrainian “BUK” anti-aircraft missile battery turn on at the same time the Malaysian airliner blew up. They can even tell you which Ukrainian unit it was:
This is a pretty good technical analysis for people unaware of how countries track aircraft (military and civilian):
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2014/07/memories-recollection-guesses-and.html
this article has a lot of technical info that most of us are unaware of, and that is needed if one is to make any judgements at all about this situation (or similar ones).
With all due respect to JPF, this guy thinks the Ukrainians DO benefit from the disaster. Not saying I “know” this is absolutely correct, but seems logical.
From the above link:
“Cui bono?
Well here at least the reply is unambiguous: only the junta in Kiev could have benefited from this tragedy. For the Russians and the Novorussians, this is something between a real pain and a disaster. Just when the Novorussians were winning without any overt help from Moscow and just when Moscow was gradually successful in denouncing the human costs of Poroshenko’s murderous policies – suddenly the entire planet focuses just on one downed aircraft and the imperial corporate media blames it all on Russia. As for Poroshenko, this disaster is God-sent: not only has everybody forgotten that much promised “surprise” turned out to be a disaster, he can now kill scores of Novorussians with no risks of that being reported in the corporate media. Not only that, but that gives the Ukies a golden excuse to ask for “”protection” from their “aggressive and threatening neighbor”. Again, the only party who can benefit from this disaster is the junta.”
I find it interesting that very little attention is paid to the passenger list in this and the 370 flight.
My first reaction to a plane going down is “who was on it?”
The similarity in paint scheme with Putin’s plane, and its proximity to the area and time are quite suspicious to me. Downing Putin like this would not only remove his masterful playing from the “grand chessboard,” it would allow the action to be pinned on just about anyone, given the state of civil law and order in the region right now.
The severe reaction of the West definitely points to such a covert action gone bad, and the waving of the usual “Red herring” could just be so much noise to cover it up.
Given Putin’s obvious superiority in geopolitical chess, he could also have been made aware of just such a plot, and arranged things to go sideways for the op, konwing he could ultimately blow its cover. Again, a good reason for the West to sling a hail of blame to try and cover the damage before the truth comes out.
I think the whole “AIDS cure could have been on the plane” because of the number of researchers who fell victim is probably just agitprop to make the evetn seem more vile. (Given the decadese of work by 1000s of researchers without much progress, and the massive corruption in AIDS research in general, I think that the whole “lost cure” thing is a joke.)
It is possible that someone on the plane had discovered where the virus really came from and had to be eliminated.
Even Airbus has little to gain from events like this, as Boeing has already shot itself in the foot with the 787 fiasco.
My money is on either the Nazi international or some rogue covert ops group from the West or the Banksters. (Hmmm, the Vatican?)
Maybe it is part of a plan to make the world situation seem so volatile that we need some truly “outside” neutral party to investigate/settle such things. ET maybe?
Thanks Joseph, interesting read as usual! Here is a round up from me.
Only Boeing airliners are hit by these incidents, 6 so far, of which 2 within just a couple of months. There is a military component related to all of these events. I find it likely that they are all tied to an agenda played by a rouge international power group with military capabilities. For each evil step this rouge group takes it appears to do so with multiple intensions and purposes, serving a greater overall agenda for world dominion. 9/11 is one expression of it, MH 370 another, MH 17 another and so on. When MH 370 went missing everything points towards the fact that it landed without crashing – hence it was needed to carry out a mission – a synchronized attack at a target location. It was probably prepared to carry out the MH 17 mission. On board the MH 370 was a group holding critical stealth/radar signature knowledge, a conference had been arranged at the destination aimed at taking all of these out in a single event. At the same time this incident would serve double duty, it would provide added financial power and political power by having an airliner ready to strike against the next – main – group, a collective of world leading AIDS scientists, again a conference had been arranged at the destination aimed at taking all of them out in a single event. By having the arrangement in Kuala Lumpur, it was possible to make this group of AIDS experts fly over Ukraine/Russia and hence make it appear as if the missile was rooted primarily from the conflict, a conflict probably fueled by the same rouge international power group. Furthermore, it would provide more political power towards serving the agenda, as well as to provide Boeing a weaker position in the marketplace. There is a 50% chance that Boeing is the vulnerability regarding these incidents, corruption could have allowed certain persons to infiltrate the company in order to help carry out these missions from the inside.
We are witnessing actions taken by a rouge global power elite, that above all hopes for more international tensions, so that it can play out its agenda more silently behind the scenes and get a more detailed overview of the information and media landscape. These kinds of attacks can all be traced back to “power gain” as the root. This group is way behind the scenes, you likely have many layers in between – political, military, jurisdictional and so on. I doubt any president truly knows what’s going on. The challenge that each president is facing here, is to stay authentic, non-ego minded and peaceful, to not be proud enough that everything available to them is non-hidden and there to serve a single duty. They have corruption all around them and many of them are probably in a trapped situation and aware of it. It is a very delicate situation, it’s we the people that need to unite and stop these criminals and the corruption around us.
Well Boeing certainly does not seem to be in a better position now. Though they themselves patented a “security” device for remote autopilot override in 2006. The scenario of a “third player”, presently unknown to the public, must be assessed. It could be related to the Nazi International or whatever they have morphed into. After all, the Ukraine is old ground for the “Drang nach Osten”.
Boeing is under Rockefeller control, that might be where the Boeing vulnerability starts. It makes perfect sense to compromise their own company to carry out the agenda yet maintain a low profile. There was also a Rotschild story about the MH 370, when combined it makes a compelling case. The rouge international group carrying out these missions could have ties to both Rockefeller and Rotschild. Their corrupt influence on the media, the political US/UK/foreign officials etc. then spreads like crazy I would assume. Combined the Rockefellers and Rothschilds are incredibly wealthy.
Do you remember the radar signature drop outs over Europe a number of weeks after MH 370 went missing? That could have been when the MH 370 was flown from Diego Garcia to Amsterdam for the MH 17 mission.
The US Government should be praying that no evidence is found pointing the finger at them. They’re already in the doghouse for what has happen in Afghanistan and Iraq. THE Neo-Cons must be dancing over bodies of flight MH17 the ghouls.
I think it’s time to start considering the covert actions and agenda of the breakaway civilization in these matters. Weren’t they the ones that set up the Cold War conflict after WWII, partly to keep people preoccupied with regional conflict rather than focusing on larger objectives. It seems that would be a motivating force still today. Instead of focusing on some of the proposed solutions (of all kinds) maybe we should take a step back and just consider the facts and let them speak for themselves, as some of the ” information” being passed off is pure bogus.
I smell Israel all over it…
Seem very strange to me that their ground forces were unleashed on Gaza at the very same time diverting Worlds attention from their murderous spree; right at the time when a load of attention, demonstrations was taking momentum.
Way too convenient!! It make kardashian populace speculate and shake in fear of WW3 starting anytime now.
It was also very interesting that emergency vehicals did not make it to the crash side and all well-trained monkeys were jumping from news to news trees pointing at Putin, recalling Sudetenland and digging up 70 years old bodies of history rewritten…
P.S. do not busy CIA boys- Putin does not smoke 🙂
P.S.S. My apology for my english (not my first language)
Don’t underestimate how dumb the public are!
Really?? I think the “west” would quite happily do such a thing. It’s not long ago we had the poison gas in Syria…. these things are just standard operating procedures!
Yes