MARS, NASA’S ORION, AND A PROBLEM…
This little article from CNN was shared with us by Mr. P.T., a regular reader here, and in his email, he asked a significant question, one that I'm going to pass along to you, along with my usual red-faced flush of high octane speculation. But first, the article:
NASA's deep-space craft readying for launch
As the article avers, the Orion spacecraft is a souped up version of the Apollo command module, and a lunar manned "fly-around" is planned for 2017, as the capsule is launched from the biggest chemical rocket ever to carry four astronauts on the mission.
The article also suggests something else:
"In the future, Orion will launch on NASA's new heavy-lift rocket, the Space Launch System," the agency said. "More powerful than any rocket ever built, SLS will be capable of sending humans to deep space destinations such as an asteroid and eventually Mars."
With this, we are all supposed to be duly impressed.
But while the article does not say specifically that the Orion capsule will be the vehicle of choice for any planned missions to Mars or, even further out, to asteroids, the possibility is clearly being implied, and the engine of all of this stupendousipidy (if I may coin the word), is to be a Saturn V booster on steroids, the SLS.
Stop and think about that. Four men or women are to be crammed into this comparatively small capsule for what would amount to be an eight month flight to the red planet... or as Mr. P.T. put it to me in his email that shared this article, "how can such a tiny, re-created Apollo, crew module get humans to Mars on a long endurance flight?"
Indeed, such a long journey in such cramped quarters would have serious physiological affects, not the least being muscle atrophy in the zero gravity of space, and there are the psychological problems to be addressed.
So here comes my high octane speculation - or to be more precise, my way-beyond-high-octane-speculation, and into-orbit speculation - of the day: I rather suspect this is all, once again, window dressing folks. I am not, and have never been, a card-carrying member of the "Apollo was hoaxed" school. Rather, as I suggested in SS Brotherhood of the Bell, and as many other researchers have suggested, the rocketry was for show... and the show may have been to mask the possibility that there were hidden technologies in play that got us to the Moon, and more importantly, off of it once we got there, a possibility suggested to me by curious statements Dr. Von Braun made to Time magazine shortly after the Apollo 11 mission. Thus, I suspect were watching the creation of the "public spectacle" version of the show, while the real story lies in hidden technologies and capabilities, or, to put it bluntly, in a secret space program.
After all, if former Lockheed Skunk Works director Ben Rich can say - and mean it - that "we can now take ET home," then getting to Mars would seem to be child's play.
See you on the flip side...
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Additional confirmation of the statements made by Ben Rich come from Bob Lazar; he was “coaxed very reluctantly out of the shadows” by George Knapp (who broke the original story interviewing Bob 25 years ago).
He gave a recent interview (May) in which he said that he hopes that people don’t believe his story (it interferes with his current scientific business):
“Look, I’m not out there giving UFO lectures, producing tapes. This is not a business of mine. I am trying to run a scientific business, and if I’m the UFO guy, it makes it really difficult, it is to my benefit that people don’t believe the story.”
http://www.openminds.tv/bob-lazar-still-defends-area-51-ufo-info-25-years-later/27560
Max
Reminds me of an anonymous e-mail that Paul Schatzkin received in box one day (as he was finishing up his biography of Philo Farnsworth) that launched him on a six year quest to uncover the work of and write a biography of T.TownsendBrown:
T. Townsend Brown was another inventor who is forgotten and swept
under the rug. He died on Catalina Island around 1985.
Science in the late 50s said what he did was against physical law, yet the government classified his work. A bunch of government contractors both American and foreign have been working on it ever since. So where did all the R&D go? If you go out in the desert about 125 miles south west of Las Vegas at night you will see an object flying around in the distance with a bluish haze around it. That’s where it went. Also Sharper Image is selling an air purifier on cable TV for $60.
He never collected the royalties for that either…
Max
Many people know about TT Brown. And TT Brown remained well employed for most of his life, except during the early years when family money funded him.
Websearch “lifter”. And here, if TT Brown did have AG success then he was doing something more than simply high voltage differences.
In someways: TT Brown’s geological researches in the 1960s and 1970s seem of more import than HV tension.
It’s very unlikely that someone who was doing any significant writing about Philo Farnsworth would not know the general outline of the TT Brown story.
What a load of malarkey, how stupid do they think we are?
Well you only have to look at the source of the article CNN, well there wouldn’t be a happier day than when they turn out the lights at “see no news”.
Next thing they will be telling us is the Moon is a Balloon.
Maybe some “propaganda” from NASA, maybe some marketing.
From CNN:
-“Orion also boasts the largest heat shield ever built” Maybe already obsolete technology? http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22329763.100-magnetic-bubble-may-give-space-probes-a-soft-landing.html#.U8QS9vl_tCg
-“The first astronauts will travel into space aboard Orion in 2017. NASA hopes its Exploration Mission-1, a 25-day flight around the moon’s dark side, will demonstrate Orion’s reliability for deep space missions.” I’m not rocket scientist but that sounds like “Our Indy Car can run the 500 miles because he demonstrated during only one warm-up lap that is reliable”.
Besides, Dark side of the moon? Mmmm, imagine the 2017 mission found/see something on that trip.
I want to see how they plan to send and BRING BACK 4 astronauts from Mars. Mars’ gravity is more than twice that of the moon.
PS: sorry about my english.
Another interesting post but, ooof, who writes these articles? Like the line that Exploration Mission-1 will be “a 25-day flight around the moon’s dark side”?
The “moon’s dark side?” And “around it?” What gibberish!
And the reference to a 3,600 mile trip was rather baffling. It’s going to orbit at 3,600 miles? Really? Twice in 4 1/2 hours? Then come down at 20,000 mph and “splash down” somewhere in the ocean like it’s 1969 all over again? Good grief.
Agreed. Check out this site http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/ under “Wagging the moon doggie”. I think he does a darn good job of laying out his case. Just consider the thin space suits and the actual LEM construction. I just can’t believe those were used by anyone who survived true space conditions.
All well and good, a new rocket system, possibly to be used to send men to Mars, isn’t all that’s available in the secret space program. However rockets still get used. Rockets are how those rovers went to Mars. By the implications of antigravity, those rovers are pretty primative–primative mostly because of how little ground they can cover and how little gear they can carry to Mars–but still mighty advanced for what’s ostensibly available for NASA, etc, to send to Mars.
In other news, we can’t buy computers running on cold electricity. It’s very hard to get any thing like serious funding for energetics medicine–even thought many of the concepts are easily enough proven.
I also can’t fly to Hawaii from the mainland on anything but a conventional plane–most likely something by Airbus or Boeing.
Provided it works well, this rocket will get used to go short distances at great effort and expense, but they won’t simply be full of sound and fury signifying nothing.
The real mission then is being set-up to continue the hoax, to continue to Manufacture Reality for the sheeple.
Not to mention that it does not take 25 days to go to the moon and back, ala Apollo 8.
The spacecraft of the old Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers serials make better sense than Orion. How much will this Potemkin rocket system cost us for this NASA carney road show for dummies. Even Jules Verne Albatross in the Master Of The World the book not movie would make a wonderful spacecraft that was publish in 1904. Though the Albatross was a eight man roadster, aircraft, submarine not a space craft but with a little imagination one could see the possibilities of it use as a spacecraft.