NEWS AND VIEWS FROM THE NEFARIUM JULY 17 2014
July 17, 2014 / /
Joseph comments on the most recent loss of a Malaysian airliner, this time to apparent missile fire over the eastern Ukraine:
Here's the article link from which he's reading:
Malaysia Airlines Passenger Jet Downed by Missile Over Ukraine, 295 Dead
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For your interest, this message from Carlos – a flight controler in Kiev, appeared on FB:
(updated traslated)Spanish aircontroller working at the Air Traffic Control Tower in Borispol (Kiev) reporting. Please share.
July 17, 2014 at 9:14pm
Please friends….I forward this information. There is a Spanish aircontroller working at Kiev Borispol airport…he said that the Malaysian airplane was shot down by two Ukrainian jets. Even the Ukrainian militars know that. Also it looks that the Ukrainian military were organizing a coup against Poroshenko. He says that the air traffic control tower where he is working is now occupied by foreign agents. I reproduce here his tweets. He says that the order to shoot down the Malaysian airline is not coming from the military but from the interior ministry or from outside. Use please the google translator if you don’t speak Spanish. Carlos is a well-known person in Spain. He is a simple guy. He was posting his stuff in twitter for many years. Pictures of his family, his travels etc…But in January 2014 he started to write negative posts against maidan. He was living in Kiev and he was threated by the maidanites. He was forced to move to Spain with his family. He is using a pretty funny Spanish sometimes (words that come from Bilbao, city where his family is living). Later he came back to Kiev again since he is working as an air traffic controller there and he is a very stubborn person. I am following him in twitter since march 2014. Their posts are usually very funny. Time to time I was sharing his thoughts. Right now he has become a “key person” in all this tragedy since he was on the air traffic control tower in Borispol controlling the radars. By the way I was born in Barcelona. Sorry for my English since is far from perfect.
—————————————- ORIGINAL IN SPANISH LANGUAGE
Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):
Los militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior conocían en cada momento lo que sucedió, .
Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):
Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine,
Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):
Yo no formó parte de este conflicto, como el 80/100 de los ciudadanos de aquí que solo quieren vivir en paz, pro uno y pro otros.
Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):
La forma de tomar la torre de control minutos después sabiendo todo los detalles, rápido nos hizo pensar que habían sido ellos.
Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):
290 personas inocentes muertas, . Por una guerra inútil, donde el patriotismo se compra con dinero.
Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):
A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí
Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):
Hace dias lo dije aquí, militares de kiev querían alzarse contra el actual presidente, esto puede ser una forma, a las órdenes de timoshenko
Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):
Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden
Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):
Aquí los mandos militares manejan y admiten que militares a otras órdenes, pudieron ser, pero no, los pro-rusos
Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):
En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también
Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):
Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían?
Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):
A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí
Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):
Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos.
THANKS OLGA FOR PROVIDING THIS TRANSLATIONS INTO ENGLISH AND RUSSIAN.
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The soldiers under the orders of Interior Minister knew at all times what happened.Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is the army of ukraine,I was not part of this conflict, as 80/100 citizens here who just want to live in peace, and one pro pro others.How to take the control tower minutes after knowing all the details, fast made us think that they were.290 dead innocent people. What a useless war, where patriotism is bought with money.At 7:00 minutes the demolition was notified later the tower was taken with our foreign staff still here Days ago I said here, kiev military wanted to rise against the current president, this may be a way to timoshenko ordersMilitary ukraine confirm that he was, but still does not know where the order cameHere the military commanders who manage and support to other military orders, could be, but no, the pro-Russian):In radar this all collected, for unbelievers, brought down by kiev, here we know and military air traffic control alsoJust disappear aircraft B 777 Malaysia Airlines kiev military authority informed us of the demolition, as you know?):At 7:00 minutes the demolition was notified later the tower was taken with our foreign staff still here q):The fighters flew about 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes.
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Испанский авиадиспетчер, который выходит в сеть под ником Carlos Spainbuca и работает в аэропорту Борисполь в Киеве, сообщает, что военные диспетчеры послали отчет правительству в Киев, в нем говорится, что ракета сбившая малазийский Боинг, была пущена не с территории, контролируемой повстанцами. Он утверждает, что самолет мог быть сбит украинскими ракетами.”Истребители сопровождали 777 три минуты до того, как он исчез с радаров, только три минуты”;”Это Киев его сбил, Киев, они должны его искать, у нас есть подтверждение, Киев его сбил, мы здесь все спокойны”;”Здесь всем командуют военные, это не пророссийские силы, военные подтверждают, что был приказ, только мы не знаем, откуда именно”
During the period 2001 to 2014 we have had >>6<>ALL<>Boeing<< airliners. These are American Airlines Flight 11 Boeing 767-223ER, United Airlines Flight 175 Boeing 767–222, American Airlines Flight 77 Boeing 757-223, United Airlines Flight 93 Boeing 757–222, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Boeing 777-200ER and Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 Boeing 777-200ER. Now, some of the competitors to Being are Airbus, Embraer, Bombardier, Irkut United Aircraft Corporation, COMAC, Honda Aircraft, Mitsubishi Aircraft. Now, I will do a rough probability calculation based on 9180 Boeing aircraft in the world and 6819 Airbus aircraft in the world and look at what is the probability of this kind of scenario?
(9180/(9180 + 6819))^6 = 3,6%
In other words, even when excluding the 6 other aircraft manufacturers we land at a staggering low probability of all of these incidents involving only a single aircraft manufacturer ~3,6%. THIS indicates that we are likely not dealing with multiple entities behind all of these incidents, we are likely dealing with a single entity and/or a single security vulnerability/threat making all of these incidents possible to fall out like this. Because of the correlation of ~96% tied to Boeing and no other aircraft manufacturer involved, it is possible to create two main threads from this. These are:
A) Boeing is target of incidents – passive role
B) Boeing assists in incidents – active role
To further clearify, Boeing is a highly important piece in this puzzle.
Another interesting calculation to do here is to look at when and where did the flight disappear from radar, what speed did it have and how was this relative to when and where the plane crashed. Given that such data and calculation can only be either true or false, it provides an important clue to what happened. The missile theory is out there, but at this point it has not been proved. There is a lot of information missing. It is critical to examine how the missile theory correlates to the trace evidence.
I also want to point out that MH 370 disappeared not so long ago, it has not been found and that a key to that mystery was stealth/radar technology and that thereafter there were airplanes gone missing from radar in Europe. This seems to indicate a correlation path. It appears that somebody is executing a plan, involving Boeing aircraft, using power over radar as a way to distort trace evidence. Therefore it is critical to examine this and to look at both of the MH 370 and MH 17 as being potentially connected events. Has anyone confirmed that Edward Snowden or Julian Assange were not on that plane? For some suspicious reason, media addresses a number of passengers as being of unknown nationality. This should be as simple as reading data from a database. Very interesting that such a simple act, is difficult in practice. Very strange, that requires a quick double check because of how strange it is.
I started following the story shortly after it happened. When the first pictures of the crash site started popping up on twitter, the first one I came across showed the debris and plane wreckage, but as I remarked showing it to my mother, strangely there were no bodies. Well not even 2 minutes later Matt Lauer starts saying the first pics are coming in and they are about to reveal them. The picture they then show is literally the SAME picture I had just seen on twitter, with one difference there are bodies in it, but blurred out due to the graphic nature. Would someone really move the bodies just for a picture? I find it hard to believe the bodies were photoshopped out of the first picture since they were posted by a first responder themselves. Of course I can’t prove any of this, but did anyone else notice this happening with other pictures from today.
Oh and I thought this was an interesting, even though they are claiming its not true now, but it was bannered on top of rt.com for at least an hour earlier today. http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/
“Investigative reporter” Noah Sneider on CNN, reported to be one of the first on the scene, said there were body parts strewn all over the place and you had to be careful not to step on them. In the photo there was a dead guy with his fat white back showing but still with pants on. I thought it strange that his body was so intact and clean like he just took a bath. Who knows maybe he was from the actors studio. Who is this “reporter” anyway, just happened to be in the right place at the right time. PS. I wouldn’t fly anywhere now; I don’t think I’d enjoy the window seat anymore.
Fox also reported that some international aviation body, I don’t remember the exact name, allegedly gave the airline the ok for the doomed flightpath. so much for common sense.
The discussions were about the just crashed airliner.
Fox ran a tape of allegedly 2 GRU russian spies (according to the “ex” CIA analyst) and 2 Russian rebels. THEY WERE TALKING IN ENGLISH! FOX claimed the tape was from the Ukranian “secret service” Later FOX perhaps realizing that this was way to lame, ran the same conversations but in the backround was the dialogue written out in Russian. This came on around 11:10pm EST. I forget the female host but apparently a “special” knocking o”reilly off. Also retired USA Tom Mcinerney came on saying the US has been unilaterally disarming the last 6 years; if we could only bring back the gipper. I think the malaysian airline and/or government was in on this. Perhaps bribed to provide the sitting duck target. How could they possibly allow a civilian jetliner to be flying over a conflict zone where planes have been shot down in the last several days according to the news reports. CNN guests were investigative journalist Noah Sneider, Steve clemons from the new american foundation & Matt duss from the center for american progress. They just seemed rather tame and cautious. Someone did say that jet fuel does not explode. Another that missiles leave intact parts and don’t vaporize. I dont know who made the last two statements or if it was the same tape from zero hedge.
Am I the only one to find it bizarre that ANY airline would fly over a war zone???
The detour around Ukraine can’t be that significant. Even if it were a significant detour, not to make (enough of) a detour is CARTOON-level incompetence. Are passengers TOLD “you will be flying through a warzone, and the chances of being shot down are MILLIONS of times greater than just about anywhere else on the planet”?????
This just cannot be right. This has got to be a huge anomaly.
REGARDING WHEN RUSSIA SHOT DOWN THAT KOREAN AIRLINER IN THE ’80’S:
I highly recommend getting the book WARRIORS OF DISINFORMATION:
http://www.amazon.com/Warriors-Disinformation-Lies-Videotape-USIA/dp/1611455162/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405651032&sr=8-1&keywords=warriors+of+disinformation
There is a chapter on the Korean airlines incident. It was one of the most amazing little reads I have ever enjoyed. I read the book years ago, so what follows may not be exactly correct. The author worked for the Reagan White House in some sort of propagandistic capacity iirc, and he DEMONSTRATES how perfectly justified the Russians were (the Koreans were flying into one of the most restricted military airspaces in Russia, sort of like Area 51 in Nevada, how Korean Airlines pilots were famous for doing things like falling asleep at the wheel and fighting over the controls (literally) with the co-pilots during landings, and yet the U.S. Gov’t still scored a major propaganda victory.
Most people here would really like this chapter of the book.
Putin May Have Been Target of Plane Shot Down- Presidential Jet & MH17 Intersected At Same Point & Echelon Minutes Apart
http://www.silverdoctors.com/putin-may-have-been-target-of-plane-shot-down-presidential-jet-mh17-intersected-at-same-point-echelon-minutes-apart/
Hmmm…wasn’t there another notable civilian air disaster that occurred eighteen years to the day previous? A flight leaving JFK airport in New York?
CNN speaks the truth – by mistake.
It happens sometimes/TWA shot down by missile – OOPS!
Immediate Retraction.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/26940.html
If the rebels in eastern Ukraine had these weapons they be using them to neutralize the Ukraine air force raids by now. Therefor only ones to gain from this might be the UK-USA, EU the most likely suspects or there is the excuse the Devil made somebody do it.
Hi Marcos:
Seems to me that the separatists are just a bunch of rag tag guys with AK-47′ etc. If the plane was brought down with a missile, then you have to have highly “trained” operators who know how to target/aim the damn thing.
Also why would the “separatists” bring down a commercial airliner?, there is nothing to gain for them doing it.
FedGov.Inc / PTB’s ability to spread mis-dis info has attained a higher level. Thanks to technology, anything we see in digital format must be questioned. The fact that another Malaysian airliner identical to the one that was beamed up, has met an untimely end; makes fertile ground for rampant conspiracy theory cultivation and any number of dire consequences. Couple that with the convenient Israeli ground invasion of Gaza, can be perceived as just two of the many colors on the pallet of chaos that the PTB have at their creative disposal. There is the serious possibility that a vast panoramic multi-colored meltdown will cover the world canvas. I believe their ultimate goal is to deliver the planet’s populace into mega-stress (forgive the expression) WTF overload. Making us more pliable and accepting of their agenda. To be filed under “We’ll see.”
The MSM here in Oz has already started to blame the Russian separatists, so the spin has started. BUT, as usual Zero Hedge has just an excellent article on the analysis of supposed “you tube” conversations between two “people”. So go over the ZH and read it, it is very, very good.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/ukraine-releases-youtube-clip-proving-rebels-shot-down-malaysian-flight-mh-17
Disaster Capitalism.
Power Corrupts.
There is no gain w/o pain.
On & on with the memes that neutralize the lack of empathy. “They” MIGHT as well be machines with t-shirts, headless beings, where the t-shirts slogans fires off an emblazoned: MIGHT MAKES RIGHT![might masks right]
What are these “bean-counters” amortizing at a cost-plus scenario, w/ the algorithms fighting for the highest profit/power equations of MIGHT.
Does it occur in anyone of these block-chain secret “individuals” that “they” MIGHT be “working” for the heartless personified?