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RUSSIA’S PRESIDENTIAL AIRLINER OVER THE UKRAINE DURING MH17 ...

This disturbing bit of news was shared with us by a regular reader here, Mr.V.T., and this one is so explosive (pardon the pun), that it simply has to be talked about:

Reports that Putin flew similar route as MH17, presidential airport says 'hasn't overflown Ukraine for long time'

The RT article makes it very clear that according to the air terminal that handle's President Putin's presidential aircraft, for obvious security and safety reasons, Mr.Putin's plane does not fly over the troubled Ukraine. But, as the article also makes clear, other Russian news sources are gently calling this into question:

"At the same time, there have been reports contradicting Intefax’s report that was the first and the only media source to publish the news, saying that Presidential plane was not flying over Ukraine at the same time.

"As a source told Gazeta.ru online news portal, Putin’s plane does take off from Vnukovo-3 [the terminal that accepts business jets], but the president does not fly over the conflict-gripped neighboring country."

Now let's do some high octane speculation:

Let's assume, first, that the RT report is accurate, and that, indeed, Mr. Putin's presidential aircraft did not fly over the Ukraine. Such a security matter would be obvious, especially given the wider context of recent geopolitical events, which we'll get to in a moment. But this would leave two almost-equally-dangerous flight paths for the aircraft, returning Mr. Putin from what was by all appearances a successful trip to Brasilia and the World Cup finals. One flight possibility would have Mr. Putin's plane traveling much further to the West, over the western Balkans, central Europe, and then through Poland and Byelorussia. The problem with this path is that it would have taken his plane over unfriendly Croatia, and even unfriendlier Poland, where similar "accidents" could have easily been arranged. Remember that air traffic control problem reported in central Europe over Austria, the Czech Republic, and southern Germany just a couple of weeks ago? The second alternative possibility would have taken Mr. Putin's plane further east, over the Black Sea and possibly the region around Rostov, and then north to Moscow. Again, the Black Sea would have been a convenient place to arrange an accident. Recall, in this respect, the Ukrainian shootdown of a Russian airliner in the Black Sea in 2001.

None of these routes are optimal, from the standpoint of Russian security forces concerned with protecting their President. Suppose then that evaluating these "options", the security forces decided to fly over the Ukraine, rather than chance an incident over Poland or central Europe, which, if it were to occur in any of those countries, would have necessitated a Russian response in an already tension-high reason. Geopolitics, in other words, would have become a factor in the Russian security forces' assessment of the risks associated with each route. Similarly, an incident over the Black Sea, with NATO naval forces present, could have been interpreted as too risky from the standpoint of international geopolitical implications, should an incident occur. Surprisingly then, this might have left a flight over the Eastern Ukraine as the geopolitically least risky of three unpalatable alternatives in spite of official public statements that Mr. Putin's presidential aircraft did not fly over the Ukraine.

Now suppose some western intelligence agency with sophisticated electronic surveillance capability learned of this. Given Mr. Putin's unique talent for upsetting the geopolitical ambitions of certain factions within the West, this would constitute a unique opportunity to take out a statesman bent on reforming his country and its standing in the world.

Bottom line: we might just possibly be looking at yet another covert op, gone horribly wrong.

Oddly ironic, this same rough time period, 100 years ago, the Austro-Hungarian Archduke Franz Ferdinand von Hapsburg, a man with liberal reform tendencies in the Dual Monarchy, and his wife Sophie, were gunned down by Serb nationalists on a visit to Sarajevo.

And we all know what happened next...

...See you on...

...Oh wait. One more thing, courtesy of another reader here, Mr. L.C. Here's the Australian press's early reporting on the event:

MH17 disaster: Flights over war zones 'because it's cheaper'

Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 shot down over Ukraine, 298 dead, 27 Australians on board

IN his email, Mr. L.C. drew attention to these statements:

"US intelligence officials confirmed that a surface-to-air missile brought down the airline. However, which side used the missile was less clear, officials said. A radar system reportedly saw a surface-to-air missile system turn on and track an aircraft just before the plane went down.

"Another system saw a heat signature when the airliner was hit in the air. Experts were tracing the missile's trajectory to work out whether it was launched from Ukraine or Russian territory."

Then he asked a couple of interesting questions, which I paraphrase here for your consideration:
  1. If they can do all of this, then how did they manage to lose MH 370 over the Indian Ocean (or wherever the latest story of the moment says it went down)? and
  2. A few weeks ago (and here I'm quoting), "you shared patent applications by Boeing describing remote control mechanisms where planes can be taken under remote control under hijacking scenários.  Is there any evidence such a system extends to recalibration of onboard transponder signatures?"

Answer: no evidence that I know of, but if one can do the one, surely one can also do the other.

OK. I'm done now.

See you on the flip side.

 

13 thoughts on “ RUSSIA’S PRESIDENTIAL AIRLINER OVER THE UKRAINE DURING MH17 ...”

  1. The idea that this genuinely odd and tragic incident might have been a failed false flag event, whether one supposedly intended to “frame” the Ukrainians or the Russians, hardly passes the laugh test — though if it were intended instead to draw Malaysia into open warfare with either of those two nations…no, sorry, that’s even more laughable.

    Russia and the Ukraine, it should be noted, are already engaged in a de facto war — one in which no other nation has yet overtly intervened. So why should a false flag be the logical choice? Just exactly which nations might have been expected to respond to the downing of this airliner with a declaration of war against the “guilty” party, whether Russia or the Ukraine?

    Had even Putin’s own plane, its sophisticated electronic defenses notwithstanding(I agree, Lost), been brought down “as designed”, how would such a “compelling tragedy” have dragged any other nation into the ongoing conflict in the Ukraine, let alone dragged many nations into a wider war?

    Surely Obama, who won’t even interrupt golf to protect America’s southern borders, would have at best issued a characteristically tepid yet arrogant warning to the Ukrainians — or, for that matter, even to a vengeful invading Russia.

    Most of the rest of the world, meanwhile, likely harbors far more concern for the plight of the Syrian rebels or the Palestinians than for either the Ukrainians or the Russian separatists — yet they aren’t interceding there either.

    And should a false flag ever be required — and it might soon be thus — the means to toss it very convincingly onto the world stage stands ceiling-high within the arsenals of a half-dozen or more countries around the world — to say nothing of the black bags of the PsTB, with all their hi-tech, quasi-magical tricks.

    Even had this been a CHINESE airliner filled with their own private citizens or with important Chinese politicians — brought down by Russian-armed “Ukrainian” separatists — would this have touched off World War III? Not very likely. More likely, I fear, the Russian embassy in Beijing might have been closed for a time.

    The bury-the-AIDS-cure theory, frankly, also seems pretty weak. Drug companies would seem to be doing just fine “treating” the countless other diseases and ailments that either arise naturally, are imposed by Monsanto, et al., or surprise us as side effects of their own profitable pharmaceuticals — i.e. drugs which “hypothecate” drug demand.

    Even today, thousands of illegals pore over America’s open border, generating crucial demand for pharmaceuticals and, with these, the runaway profits Big Pharma draws especially in the States.

    That this latest plane was in fact yet another Malaysian airliner, and if this were indeed by design, could only betray the very clumsiest attempt to tie it to the Flight 370 disappearance: For who would be expected to surmise: “Ah, ha!, it was the UKRANIANS who were responsible for the previous event!!!”? How would one even connect the RUSSIANS to the former tragedy? A “set-up” job this tenuous would seem both a bit too subtle and far too crude for professional coverts, let alone for the PsTB themselves.

    More than likely, therefore, we’ve seen either the accidental downing of a civilian plane and a bizarre coincidence that it happened to be a Malaysian airliner or — perhaps(HOS)– a “lucky” opportunity seized upon by heavily American-assisted Ukrainians to further pressure Malaysia, the third largest economy in Southeast Asia, not to join BRICSA, but instead to serve as America’s proverbial Ukraine in that equally critical region.

      1. Perhaps so, Lost. Certainly America would have had the motive to install a puppet in that region. But Germany, who, it would seem, desires above all to secure unto herself a steady supply of natural gas, would not wish to so risk antagonizing her main supplier, Russia, by usurping its chosen puppet. (But, who knows, perhaps the temptation to install a neo-Nazi regime on the doorstep of a formerly-Communist nemesis proved too poetic?)

        1. Daryl Davis:

          Germany may want the gas, but also doesn’t want strong, wealthy, organized neighbors.

          Short of an outright war, Russia isn’t going to cut off gas supplies to Germany, since the Germans pay and the checks clear. Germany figures that a weakened prowest Ukraine would keep the gas flowing thru the Ukraine part of the pipeline.

          I don’t think the neoNazi thing has much to do with Germany though. The Nazi mentality is not simply German.

  2. The only thing that bothers me is that, just like 9/11, the MSM knew who did it two hours after the plane went down, mighty good detective work there.

  3. For any of this Putin’s plane claims to work, wouldn’t Putin’s plane have to have taken off from Amsterdam at close to the same time?

  4. You can also reverse the argument: the Malaysian airliner could have been targeted with the intention of making it look like a failed attempt to assassinate the Russian president. With the Ukrainian “rebels” now taking the blame for the incident, this achieves the dual purpose of sending a very clear message to Vladimir Putin and making some Russians very, very angry. Include in this line of reasoning the “op within and op” scenario. Whoever targeted the Malaysian airliner might not have known about the Russian presidential airplane being in the vicinity. In any case, there are too many coincidences for this to have been an accident. Somebody is trying to stir up a hornet’s nest.

  5. There is a problem confusing President Putin aircraft and the Malaysian airline the first plane has four engines and the second only two engines though if high enough they could be mistaken for each other. If there was a attempt on the Russian Presidents life this is a rotten way to commemorate the centenary of the Great War that open the last century with a new one at the opening of this one.

    1. And there’s no proof that Putin’s plane was anywhere near there. Also did Putin stop in Amsterdam?

      Not sure that missile radar can see a plane’s engines though.

  6. Interesting that the source of a counter argument is unidentified and anonymous, and we all know that any story can be made up in those circumstances. Didn’t Putin annex Croatia recently, then why are they unfriendly towards Putin if they wanted to be part of Russia? Maybe Putin should chill out and quit making enemies on his borders.

    1. Uhm…I think you mean the Crimea, and he did that at the REQUEST of the Crimeans themselves. Croatia is in the northeastern part of the old Yugoslavia. Its capital is Zagreb.

  7. I’m sure that the plane Putin uses has very very sophisticated electronic counter measures against things like missiles.

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