For a very different take, and a very plausible one, than my own on the MH 17 flight, here's a worthy article from Global Research on the matter:

Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 Downed Over Warzone Ukraine. Who Was Behind It? Cui Bono?

That said, if you stop and think about it, NATO's and the US's popularity is so low in world opinion right now, that it seems to me to indicate that they have nothing to gain from shooting down a civilian airliner and murdering hundreds of innocent civilians either. Which leaves the possibility of "another player" at work...

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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. Believer on July 20, 2014 at 9:01 am

    Although I still believe that MH370 landed in the Tarim Basin, Leuren Moret has some interesting information about why she believes it was shot down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUgWhUkkzr4
    I was unaware of this judgment, but it does provide a reason why.

  2. Believer on July 20, 2014 at 8:48 am

    So, while our (the world’s) focus is being centered on
    this tragedy unfolding on the border of Russia and the Ukraine, what is going on in the rest of the world? Oh, this just in~~”live explosions in Gaza”, i.e. ground forces moving into Gaza from Israel. Hmmmm. . all very suspicious.

  3. RAJM on July 19, 2014 at 4:59 am

    A Guardian reader comments I wanted to share –

    The Ukrainian Junta is more than capable of shooting down a civilian aircraft – at least morally. Haven’t they been responsible for the death of hundreds of people in eastern Ukraine, including women and Children. The neo-nazi clique which is supported by the US/NATO in the later’s quest for domination, could have easily engineered this “incident” as a kind of false flag. The kiev regime was way too quick to point the finger of blame after the incident as if they had their talking points ready, as have the war monger neocons russophobes in the US.
    Now we have damning “recordings”, and “indications” that the missile was fired from rebel territory. Is anyone else reminded of the false flag Ghoutta chemical weapon attack that was engineered to be pinned on Assad (a claim now completely debunked). Remember those mysterious recordings of a Syrian military official effectively “confessing” to the attack? a recording kindly and helpfully supplied by Israel? remember the “proofs” (now proven to be false) that the rocket with the chemical payload was fired from the Syrian government held territory?
    Why, it’s like a script repeated a second time, now that the first one, even though debunked, still has a hold on the captive, corporate owned US and Europe media outlets. Hs anyone seen much refutation – or even an apology – from the Guardian – which has all but followed the script (give or take a few counter-opinion, that were put in the margins).
    According to the Russian side, the radar of the kiev-manned Buk battery was on and operational on July 17. It was located well within strike distance of the plane, or it could have passed the information to another battery that was moved closer to the rebel-held area, so as to establish “proof”. This is not so difficult to do, if the will is there. I am saying here that we have evidence the kiev regime will not shy away from killing hundreds of civilian people – including their own Ukrainian compatriot. Neither is the US – the owner of the regime – all that happy about the continuing ties between the Dutch and the Russians.
    I am sure people pointed it out already, but the similarities to Gulf of Tomkin incident are also glaring and they too started with a “recording” later turned out to be doctored. But not before 100’s of thousands of Vietnamese were incinerated, to this day, without an official apology.

    • Wayne D on July 19, 2014 at 9:39 pm

      Once upon a time,
      Obama and Putin meet in a field of happy sunflowers in Ukraine.
      They came to an agreement and left.
      Obama and Putin lived happily ever after.
      The sunflowers cried.

  4. Reno on July 18, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    Washington Times reports a russian commando leader saying the bodies found had been dead before the shootdown. Jim stone says the bodies were from MH370, the bodies and the plane had to be got rid of. posts alleged screen shot of mh17 being cancelled on the departurescreen

  5. Reno on July 18, 2014 at 6:02 pm

    If the reports are true about the pro-russian rebels having shot down ukranian cargo planes in the days preceding the massacre and the US flight bans; then the Malaysian government and airline were negligent sending the jet on that path. Worse, possibly even teeing up the target. If CNN reports are true of highly nervous pro russian fighters tampering with the “crash site” (removing cell phones and 35bodies, intimidating reporters(etc.) then perhaps these fighters were the triggermen. I don’t know if the descriptions of a concentrated crash site jives with earlier reports that there was a 10 mile wide debris field. Yesterday’s fox broadcast of the GRU/rebel phone conversations in English seemed fishy. Later backround written russian transcripts were added apparently to make the tape more credible. Scary, as we are flying around up there, that our heads can be diverted to the chopping block. Sadly, what we will probably wind up with any explanation is reasonable doubt. One third of the victims were children(CNN). 4 children killed on a Gaza beach. Children walking up through our southern border….

  6. DaphneO on July 18, 2014 at 5:53 pm

    I actually watched the ABC in Melbourne today. Our leaders are so obviously with the US on this issue. Quite sickening. So I went back to the computer for more info. And found a very good article on SOTT. Quite detailed.

    Who shot down Malaysian Airlines Flight 17? New Cold War, same old propaganda

  7. Gaia Mars-hall on July 18, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    If the other player is Israel and its fifth column then your on the right track, but you can not speak of Israel without understanding that it is a major part of the Atlanticist’s (the Anglo-American oligarchy) terror assets.

    So what is missing in the article is that the Israeli’s were responsible, but if you consider that the coup the Ukraine was by
    the Americans for their Khezarian blackmailers, then it is the Zionists pushing this….

    And do they care if America is hated. NO

    • Lost on July 18, 2014 at 6:59 pm

      Um, try to see a bigger world.

    • unclejed on July 18, 2014 at 7:17 pm

      One Can’t Wonder Is The Ex MH 777 Stored In Tel Aviv Playing A Role In This?


      • Lost on July 19, 2014 at 6:28 am

        The day of stories about planes not hitting the WTC and landing in Cleveland are similar.

        What would an empty plane far away have to do with the crash of a plane in Ukraine, try to see a bigger world.

  8. Celtic Death Star on July 18, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    and before the fires had even gone out, Israel launches its ground offensive on Gaza, while everyone is looking somewhere else!

  9. Celtic Death Star on July 18, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    the “west” (not me) so desperate to demonise Putin, that they redirected flight MH17 into the path of danger!

  10. Celtic Death Star on July 18, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    10 other flights were perfectly safe as they were flying outside the conflict zone. HOWEVER, flight MH17 was REDIRECTED towards the conflict zone.

    From what I hear, a military jet was used to “escort” the passenger jet towards the conflict zone. Just in case the pilot decided that he didn’t want to be anywhere near the conflict zone!

    • LSM on July 18, 2014 at 12:57 pm

      “From what I hear, a military jet was used to “escort” the passenger jet towards the conflict zone”- could you please provide a source?- would interest me greatly- thanks in advance-


      • Celtic Death Star on July 19, 2014 at 5:37 am

        She never posted a link. Some websites don’t allow links!

    • MQ on July 18, 2014 at 8:09 pm

      Right, I heard that one as well. Of course, it could’ve easily been a fighter jet to shoot it down. Nothing like being shot in the back…

  11. LSM on July 18, 2014 at 11:34 am

    with all respect to DrOctos’s posting I think this is the lead we need to take; AIDS research; no, not it’s cure but the PHARMACEUTICAL SCAM behind it- so if it is true that AIDS researchers (maybe whistleblowers) were on this flight then it makes sense; I just don’t think we should rule this out;

    look, folks HIV never killed anybody; it’s pharmaceutical treatment AZT was the killer!- not yet noticed no-one dies of HIV anymore (never did), even though the HIV-positive group continues to swallow pharmaceuticals that continue to erode their health?- and yet if/IF they die their demise is attributed to HIV instead of (guess what?) their ingested pharmaceuticals combating the condition the pharmaceutical industry created to begin with to create a demand for their money-based ‘cures’ …


    • Robert Barricklow on July 18, 2014 at 4:50 pm

      Right you are Larry.
      It is indeed sad that many believe the lies being spread in regards to countless health issues.


  12. Dr.Octo on July 18, 2014 at 9:48 am

    I to read an article on the Times of India about the Aids researchers, wasn’t the other Malaysian Flight that went missing carrying VIP’s from a Semi Conductor Firm? It was a strange day yesterday, very strange with all the things happening.
    Here is the link to the article.

  13. marcos toledo on July 18, 2014 at 8:23 am

    This morning while streaming democracynow I heard that a hundred top aids researchers were killed on flight MH17. A coincidence maybe but with all the important people who were passengers on flight MH370 this is being to look highly suspicious. The first Malaysian flight missing a large number of passengers involve in the computer electronics mainly from China. Now this Malaysian this flight with Aids connected scientist and advocates killed a change in MO possibility how about a bomb on this plane risky but with the Ne-cons in our government I wouldn’t put beyond them. Also RT tv and the website io9 had a article this morning about this.

  14. Aridzonan_13 on July 18, 2014 at 7:58 am

    Flying a commercial airliners into war zones is frowned upon by insurance companies. Hostile areas are avoided like the plague by all air carriers. How the airliner found it’s way into hostile territory is a very interesting question. Sorta, kinda like how JFK’s motorcade was routed thru Dealy Plaza at the last minute.

  15. Lost on July 18, 2014 at 6:47 am

    Since Putin and Obama, if not the US State Dept, seem to be aligned in trying to keep the peace in central Europe, who’d want to disturb that? SPECTOR?

    • Don B on July 19, 2014 at 8:05 am

      I had the same strange thought the other day, Lost. lol.


  16. DanaThomas on July 18, 2014 at 6:39 am

    Actually you did speculate in News & Views that parties unknown might have provided a suitable weapon to one of the factions. This might have been done under false pretences…
    The “old men in a hurry” scenario is looking more probable all the time as the empire overextends itself.
    Here is a minor but curious aspect the might point to something like a grotesque sense of humour – stranger things than this have happened: it’s just a LEETLE much having this tragedy of flt. 17 on July 17th. And the prime number 17, in Latin and other European cultures,is superstitiously considered to be unlucky, like 13 in the English-speaking world.

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