NYU PROFESSOR MYSTIFIED OVER US FOREIGN POLICY IN THE UKRAINE
Very very rarely do I ever reference an audio file as blog source material. In fact, I cannot think off the top of my head that I have ever done so. My reasons are fairly simple for this: I get tons of emails, many of them including videos or audios, and I simply haven't the time to listen to all of them. In fact, very few of them. It takes much less time to read an article, than to watch or listen to files.
But this one came to me from Mr. M.D., a reader here, and when I saw the header in his email, "NY Professor shares similar thoughts on (the) Ukraine crisis and Russia," I decided to listen to it. The clip, as it turned out, was sixteen minutes of a segment from a radio show in the USA hosted by well-known talk show host Michael Savage. I do not listen to much talk radio or, for that matter, as most of you know, to much mainstream television media in the USA. For those outside the USA, it is difficult to characterize Mr. Savage along the conventional lines of "left" or "right" or "liberal" or "conservative," because while he certainly leans to the right and is generally conservative, his voice is not the slavish insane sort of nonsense one hears coming out of the Republithug party and many of its shills in the American radio or television media. His style is direct, often caustic and satirical, sometimes offensive to this or that group or vested interest, but nevertheless independent. He thinks for himself, and is not afraid to have independent thinkers from both the left and right on his show. One may disagree with him or his guests strongly, one may question his "style" or passion or some of the wilder things that occur on his show, but in an age of watered-down flannel-mouthed spin coming from both political parties, this is perhaps a welcome relief.
With this in mind, I present the following intriguing exchange from Mr. Savage and his guest, Professor Stephen Cohen of New York University, and I do so because they, like me and so many other people, are simply mystified over the current American foreign policy vis-a-vis the Ukraine and Russia, and I thought this was an exchange readers here should listen to, as it deserves some review and commentary, and occasions my typical "high octane speculation." Here's the segment from Mr. Savage's show, The Savage Nation:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fvjgA5uKSpo
Note that both Mr. Savage and Professor Cohen have both shared their mystification over the counter-intuitive nature of American policy vis-a-vis Russia and the Ukraine. Professor Cohen states right up front that the Ukraine business is destroying our national security, and both gentlemen argue, in my opinion correctly, that the USA needs Russia as a partner not a nemesis for its own national security. Both express mystification over why the USA is prodding and poking Mr. Putin. Professor Cohen moreover indicates that some people simply want to diminish Russia's status as a Great Power if not to revoke it altogether, and points out that for Russia, this is perceived (correctly) as an existential matter over the very nature of Russia's future.
So why am I bothering you with all this?
Because if you listen carefully to this conversation between Professor Cohen and Mr. Savage, essentially two lines of reasoning are being offered for the scenario that we have seen unfolding. The second scenario, mentioned toward the very end, is that there is no policy or agenda, and that the whole thing is being driven by essentially stupid, mindless people.
But the other scenario, mentioned in the context of a conversation about the lack of knowing just "who Obama talks to", is more disturbing, and this is mentioned by Professor Cohen toward the very beginning of his remarks, namely, that "some faction" in Washington and Brussels is driving the scenario, and wants to incorporate the Ukraine into NATO. What emerges during much of the conversation is the fact that neither man can pin down just who Mr. Obama is "listening to," we cannot identify whence the insanity originates. There have been clues, here and there, of course, that Zbigniew Brzezinski or other "neo-cons" or George Soros are driving the policy. But while Brzezinski and Soros may be bishops or knights or even rooks in this chessgame, they're not the queens or kings. They may be fellow-travelers on this flower-strewn march into insanity, perhaps, but I do not intuit that they are the sources of it.
Which raises the potential for some high octane speculation, assuming the "some faction" scenario is indeed behind it all, and which may explain some things. I go back to the disturbing thing that occurred shortly after Mr. Obama took office, at the state dinner given for visiting then-Prime Minister Singh of India. You'll recall that this dinner was "crashed" by a couple who were not on the invitation list, but who nevertheless gained entry, and this type of security lapse, in my opinion, cannot have happened except by design, and it sends a clear message: "we can call off your security at any time, remember JFK, and do as we say." And such messages require, by the nature of the case, extensive organization(or penetration, of an organization, which also implies an organization of its own). Such messages imply "control files", the means to gather and use them, and a hidden agenda. Once again, I suspect that Mr. Sergei Glazyev, one of President Putin's advisers, may have been resorting to more than just hyperbole when he noted that the real Nazis were not in Kiev, but in Washington, and that the battle would have to be waged there.
The point here isn't anything about Professor Cohen, or even Mr. Savage's show. The point here is that Professor Cohen, whose contacts certainly exceed this author's, and whose expertise likewise exceeds it, is just as mystified as you and I are, not only about the counter-intuitive foreign policy we're seeing, but that he is raising the significant - and as yet unanswered - question of just who, really, is advising Mr. Obama. The point, eloquently made by Professor Cohen, is also why "the difficult questions" are not being asked by any of the five hundred and thirty-five members of Congress, as both "sides of the aisle" seem to be slavishly following the "demonize Putin" agenda.
All of these points suggest that policy is being set in places and by people that exist outside even the normal currents of back-channel influence and power-pedaling, the channels that would include such people as Zbigniew Brzezinski, George Soros, and so on.
And if you're like me, you'll find that profoundly disturbing.
See you on the flip side...
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The royals of europe are scared to death of russia and its economic success. Rmember only russia killed the entire royal family and succeeded in establishing a socialist state that out powered all other countries militarily. Royals hate the russian people and will stop at nothing to destroy their country and impoverish the population. Multi-nationals are primarily owned by royal family money (rothchilds included)as is the majority of money in the largest banks in the world. Royal families pay no actual personal taxes, THATS what keeps them in power. Centuries of robbing and stealing from the masses(commoners as betsy calls them(us) )has made them rich beyond any of your imaginations or measurements. Talk of Nazi gold and the rest pales in the face of centuries of uninterrupted corruption and theft. Thats what americans face when dealing with their political problems,Carlyle,bilderburg,mason , knights of malta,council of foriegn relations,,,,,,all fronts for royal political infiltration,and there are many more as the good Dr. can tell you.Political fraud is an ancient artform for these people, but remember, they are only people (as the Russians have shown everyone). If religion is the opiate of the masses, the illusion of democracy alongside monarchial dictatorship is the heroin overdose.
If validated, this is important related information…
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Turns out the site is a guns-drawn-serious goldmine!
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Fantastic posts there Elm, (and everyone else) you will enjoy Chatzefratz over on youtube, and the swiss tie ins and the pharistocracy…..kind of raises some eyebrows with the “turkish baths” currently sweeping the West and the sodomite connection.
No question though, homosexual males are a very powerful economic group in any society….perhaps being used…very interesting comment that ? (Gail?) pertaining to the biblical Luke and JC refusing whatever “entity” was offering him all the kingdoms of the world….very interesting…and very revealing that JC would refuse a corrupted people who “claimed” to control the world.
“‘Turkish Baths'” aren’t newly popular in the west.
You can visit the ruins of Roman baths in Paris, or Bath, England.
Again: Some powerful group of gay men (somehow gay women are never accused) may indeed have some power, that’s far from all gay men.
sigh Lost….always the thorn in the thread.
Of course not all of anything, its a numbers game in the “uni” “verse”, where seven comes up in the probability “game”….a 2 dimensional query that eventually disputes the existence of god…all by design.
Ah well, life is becoming plastic, and so is humanity….in a Barbie world, life fantastic, its so plastic….not fit for consumption.
jedi,
It’s not all, but that’s the point Elm couldn’t let go of. Gayness in not the motivation for Nazism, nor is is every crime attributable to some gays, or gays as a group.
Is there an Italian mafia, yes, is there a Korean mafia, yes, is there a gay mafia, sort of, is there a Jesuit mafia, sort of, and etc. But who cares? Not one of these mafias is the end all of motivation to do bad in the world.
A few days after the murder of Austrian Chancellor Englebert Dollfus, in Vienna July 25, 1934, the semi-official Italian newspaper, Il Popolo di Roma, published the comment, “Pederasts and assassins rule in Berlin.” [Quoted in The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality In The Nazi Party — http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm%5D
See more at: http://www.henrymakow.com/the_riddle_of_the_gayhomosexis.html#sthash.YWpM6TrE.dpuf
Also, http://www.henrymakow.com/penn_state_scandal_is_bigger_t.html
It’s always a pleasure to respond to you “Lost.” Falsehood and naivety are always opportunities for truth and understanding.
Trouble is… Once homosexists gain a penis hold, they bring in and surround themselves with like-minded appendages, thus forming a nucleus of power which they strive to capture and exercise control from the top down. Simply stated, homosexists are some of the most vicious bigots and cultural disassemblers one will ever come into contact with.
Like the hypocrites and predators they are, homosexists exploit the moral currency of victims of THEIR persecutions, like blacks and Jews for starters, to further their own interests. And the people are seduced through their own weaknesses into buying into this political perfidy. The Gay schematic of operation by-en-large is revealed in THE OVERHAULING OF STRAIGHT AMERICA By co-authors Marshall Kirk and Erastes Pill (Also known as Hunter Madsen). for additional Background see:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexual_Agenda
http://library.gayhomeland.org/0018/EN/EN_Overhauling_Straight.htm
Oh by the way, received the following unsolicited comment from a reader about Hanns Hörbiger’s Hollow Earth and the homoerotic component… “Fascinating, I have never read anyone make the Horbiger analogy (frankly, I was beginning to get the impression I was the only one who even HEARD of the extremely obscure Hans Horbiger) and it is very well done. Most people are unaware of the occultist aspects of Nazism, all of which are REALLY OUT THERE but are nonetheless at the core of insane Nazi ideology. In fact, it is so central, that it is really impossible to truly understand Hitler or Nazism without it.”
Question: Do you really think there were not Israelis dancing after the collapse of the Trade Towers?
There’s some pertinent merit to this argument offered by Dr. Circus…. In these times, “Russia and America Need to Be Allies Not Enemies.” http://tinyurl.com/pup5uad
But of course, Obama despises Putin because he and the entire Russian Duma won’t hop on board the gay band wagon. Whereas Putin is your typical alpha male who rose through the ranks, Obama is a composite persona of still somewhat unknown origins who exhibits a classic Oedipus profile, which would more or less be a symptom of his fragmented upbringing. So for the sake of sodomists not being able to advocate for their gay lifestyle to impressionable youth in Russia, gays would then strive bring a conflagration to the peoples of the entire planet? Any war between America and Russia today, would only leave Islam in a much stronger position. And neither Russians nor Americans would like Sharia law much. During the Civil War, Russia and the Lincoln administration formed a strategic alliance. This alliance could become even more crucial today.
It’s all about the gays?
This is a much larger issue, however, if you recall, a deterioration of relations between Russia and the West occurred over a suppression of overt gay activism, and their attempt to propagandize Russian youth during the Sochi Olympics.
As today we do not sanction duels with which to settle personal affronts between individuals, Putin and Obama must maneuver, as players do in a chess game, and attack one another from behind proxies, the pieces on a chess board, thus making what are made to appear as contentious issues other than what they truly are. This way, whereas pieces (the “disposable” people) can be, and are sacrificed, the players themselves remain untouched. Maybe there will be a rebellion against the players? But of course, Obama is also a piece on a grand chess board belonging to and controlled by his benefactors, and they too will sacrifice him should the need arise. No doubt, they have groomed Obama and presume to have taken his full measure, and till now, he has been to their liking.
Sexual politics have been driving the American national agenda for decades, having corrupted science, the American Judicial System, what passes for education, and by its falsification at the hands of these same gay activists, even history and the language itself. Most songs with the word “gay” in them, are no longer heard. Both “Gay” and Liberation as currently used are now in opposition to and completely anathema to their true use.
To a large degree, the “applied” Oedipus Complex or manifest pathology may be described as an overt expression of a resentment and hatred for the father, thus also, a disdain for what are the founding “fathers” and the very ideals they stood for. Radical feminists, of course, those who hate femininity in women and who also undermine a strong fraternal masculinity in men, are of like mind. They too resent and hate the father and a fraternal patriarchy as anathema to their interests, as opposed to a militant gay sexual cult with whom they share a like mind and may make common cause.
Primarily, what is not understood is, militant gays are misogynistic predatory pederasts, or lovers of young boys referred to as “boy ravishers.” They have projected this perfidy upon innocent and often befuddled “heterosexuals,” thus silencing both moral conscience and informed debate. The stereotypical image of an effeminate, or emasculated male tendered for public consumption, is a misleading and false image of the homosexist world. The Nazi core was comprised of “ubermenchen” militant gays.
The modern Nazi does not wear Swastikas. This is a cartoon diversion — a red-herring. To be sure, the Nazi mindset, has much more to do with character and a psychological profile than any symbol. Akin to Old World Flat Earthers, the Nazi mindset was fixed by such convoluted or “concave” notions of “reality” as Hanns Hörbiger’s Hollow Earth, and what he depicted as the struggle between fire and ice. Which, he mused, shall be victorious?
Contradictions and associated problems aside, all Nazi “science” was imposed top down by Hörbiger, and dissenters were dismissed or eliminated. Like Flat Earthers, Hollow Earth too, was the science of an allegedly “educated” elite. Human sexuality contains a “sacramental” component. Metaphorically, Hörbiger’s Hollow Earth concept gels perfectly with the inverted perceptions of the “gay” mind — in that everything predicated upon the Genesis account of creation, whether from a moral spiritual or scientific perspective, was officially declared and deemed to be backwards and up-side-down. So the “gay” notion of sodomy as an officially recognized sexual norm, is the equivalent of Hanns Hörbiger’s Hollow Earth. And although touted as the “offical wisdom” of The National Socialist movement, neither were scientific by any normal stretch of the enlightened human mind.
Elm:
Except you fall in to the clichés about gays and NAMBLA.
Gay persons have been around as long as humanity has, and it’s of no peril or concern.
Try actually talking to a gay person, instead of believing Rush Limbaugh.
As for the hollow earth thing, well there appears to be some indications of problems with the make up of the center of celestial bodies, not the pendulum eclipse experiments.
Dear Lost: Whereas I have had the good fortune to have known and spoken with many happy people, and as I don’t listen to Rush Limbaugh, maybe you can advise one on what to look for when I’m speaking with a sexual predator, or more correctly, a misogynistic sodomist? Should we believe one who from a place of confusion simply says they’re gay, or like smokers, must we actually view them in the act?
I must inform you however, those who have had the misfortune to have been sodomized by a pederast or a member of the clergy, don’t generally seem to lead very happy, or for that matter, very balanced lives. As a matter of fact, many of them, like child actor Corey Haim for instance, become so conflicted, distraught and self-destructive over a violation of their human dignity, they actually commit suicide — this because of shame and an irreconcilable distress over how perpetrators are able to avoid, and/or escape accountability. This class of violation has been condemned throughout history and within the moral codes of most civilized societies, because it destroys the spirit and happiness. So the “peril” is manifold and exponential.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-DSOHghbk4
Elm, very thoughtful posts. I have often wondered why misogynistic sodomites ever wanted to enter into a traditional arrangement such as marriage, when they are so opposed to traditions? Any thoughts?
Nidster: Frequently, biological maturity doesn’t coincide with emotional and spiritual maturity, or moral values and a developed sense of propriety. It’s like science without morality, or self restraint, which has been widely suspended in the name of personal freedom and rights, sex too is increasingly a loose cannon.
There are many underdeveloped emotional children hiding in adult bodies. Our reference points for determining maturity, or intelligence, are skewed. We are heavy into IQ’s and ignorant of EQ’s (emotional quotients) or SQ’s (spiritual quotients). But of course, inner transformation is not a priority of a materialistic or calorie oriented society. To the contrary, both EQ’s and SQ’s are being aggressively suppressed.
In both today’s food and human development, nutrition is devoid and almost totally lacking. Life has been coarsened, but the IQ is still very active as an instinctual prerogative, and this is what makes it all so precarious. It is also true, predators like to cloak themselves in legitimacy.
Elm:
The problem is you don’t seem to have had the good fortune to see the difference between gay people and people who sexually abuse minors. They aint the same, though yes some gay people, like some straight people, have done so.
In other words, being gay does not result in that gay person automatically abusing minors.
For someone who claims not to listen to Rush Limbaugh, you’re sure presenting the same positions. (I realize Rush L is not real original, so you could have another source.)
Me thinks someone who goes on and on about the gays abusing minors finds some form of attraction in the issue, and yes there are rumors about Limbaugh.
Dear lost:
Apparently you are either incapable of or unwilling to see the difference between an apparently “harmless” effeminate homosexist — many of whom like to dress in drag, and a militant gay pederast who appears to be a man. Whereas the target for the sexual affectations of the militant “gay” pederast, is pubertal and pre-pubertal boys, the target for the sexual affectations of the effeminate, or emasculated male as described in Chauncey’s Gay New York, are heterosexual males, primarily married and virile single heterosexual men. Indeed, Chauncey reports, “queens” in drag competed on the docks of New York City with female prostitutes for the “sea food trade” (sailors) while on furlough. For strategic reasons and political reasons, homosexists work this confusion in the public sphere to manufacture a false and more benign impression for public consumption, and to deflect attention away from the predatory nature of and activities of their world. And as normal people find discussing or grappling with this topic distasteful and emotionally charged, most will avoid any attempt at arriving at an informed discourse, and thereby fail to unravel the contradictions and dangers inherent to the homosexualist world and agenda for not only America, but as we see, Russia too. From a sexual perspective, homosexists view themselves as globalists, with a global agenda. An examination of homosexualism as a political ideology, rather than the social movement it is falsely portrayed to be, is a necessary study in social anthropology, and the recent history of this country and the world. Why? Because a disproportionately small anti-social clique of sexually dysfunctional males and females, who define themselves on the basis of who they sleep with, and in many cases bugger, has hijacked much of the social and political narrative, much to the detriment of an enlightened world. Indeed, militant gays abuse far more young boys than heterosexuals could even contemplate. This is why they want the Boy Scouts. In fact, by definition, any mature heterosexual will prefer a woman, and probably a loyal wife and affirmative life companion. What we are confronted with, however, is heterophobia, an irrational fear residing within immature males, of a complimentary intimacy with a member of the opposite gender, ideally their spouse. This is largely by design.
No, Elm,
You’re pretend that I deny the existence of gay men who abuse minors. I don’t.
But nor is that normal gay behavior, and nor is dressing in drag or being effeminate the only type of normal, non-pederast, gay man.
You need to see beyond the cliched world view of Limbaugh and his ilk. Of course there are rumors that Limbaugh doth protest…
Dear Lost:
In response to, “You need to see beyond the cliched world view of Limbaugh and his ilk.” Okee dokee! Let’s do go “beyond the cliched world view of Limbaugh and his ilk.”
For starters, let’s read, “Great Gay Bullies of the Past: Adolf Hitler.”
http://victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/great-gay-bullies-of-the-past-adolf-hitler/
Elm:
You’ve made my point for me.
Just because one person in a group acts badly (and not at all clear that Hitler was gay) does not mean that the rest of the group acts badly all of the time or at any time really.
In fact this kind of “logic” is very like that used by Limbaugh, whether or not you listen to him. Hitler also used this logic to vilify jews, slavs, and others.
Dear “Lost:”
You are intentionally twisting yourself into an apologetic pretzel, so as to ENTIRELY avoid and MISS THE POINT. Indeed, the point is Lost on you. The point is, the Nazis were a homo-fascist cult, who seized control of the German government along with its industrial and military capacities.
The two pillars of human dignity, and what may be properly be referred to as a civilized human society, are honest weights and measures, and a moral and healthy sexual constitution. The rest is commentary. The point is, the so-called “gay” mind, inverts reality, so as to portray good as evil, and evil as good — light as darkness, darkness as light, and bondage as liberation. And oh yes, a so-called Hollow Earth as a valid scientific principle.
As for Nazi racial ideology? This was by-en-large a red-herring, to cover and serve as a pretext for their war against the Biblical view of creation and sexual morality. Most all leading Nazis were sodomists who buggered young boys, like Gerhard Rossbach and Ernst Roehm to mention just two. Whereas not all gender discordant males become Nazis, Georgetown professor Carroll Quigley, on page 437 of his monumental book, Tragedy And Hope: A History of The World In Our Time, writes, “most of the plotters (who torched the German Reichstag in January 1933), were homosexuals.”
So the point is also, homosexism was key, to what the world experienced as Nazi barbarism and genocide. Indeed, in the absence of homosexism the Nazi movement would never have existed.
Can’t help but jump in to say, That once again, Elm, you open doors that were once closed…
to too many.
Elm:
You’re a little confused there.
Even if some Nazis were gay, debatable, you’ve painted a group of people (gays) with a broad Nazi brush. As if being gay leads to the crimes of the Nazis.
It’s standard tripe pushed by the likes of Geoff Rense, and Limbaugh and it’s simply not true and usually an excuse for the accuser’s own …
Just as I’m sure there were Nazis who abused minors of the same sex, there are protestant preachers, cops, catholic priests, and on who’ve done the same, I don’t then think that all protestant ministers are part of some gay cult bent on abusing minors.
You keep digging yourself in deeper and deeper.
Why don’t you ask yourself why you insist that all gay men are Nazi pederasts, and answer honestly.
NB: That’s an assertion by Quigley. Not documentation of some gayness, and even if true wouldn’t prove your idea that all gays are Nazi. Or even that the Nazis were driven by being gay.
Robert Barricklow:
Actually, no Elm is not opening doors, she/he is repeating old rumors and excuses for hating gay people (or the Jews, Jesuits, or etc). It’s not a newly opened door. Nor is any of this new “information”.
Now if Elm wanted to claim, with evidence, that the Nazis were in part driven by some odd sexmagic practices (some likely gay), sure I’ll read that, but that doesn’t have much to do with the gay mindset. The problem is finding evidence for gay sexmagic practices by the Nazis in the 1920s and 1930s is extraordinarily difficult.
Just a small correction. Must have been thinking about “circuses” or something. Good old Barnum and Bailey. The correct spelling of course, is Dr. Sircus.
Good to see the constructive contribution of Dr. Sircus and your mention of the fact that Russia and America are natural allies.
The whole “Gay” commentary and fixation is a perverted ruse of the western intelligence agencies as is the psychotic monster twin ISIS of the Islamic Fundamentalist front…both come from the Tavistock Institute and other ‘Round Tables’ of the British Empire that seeded the eugenics movement in Germany.
The point is that the City of London/Wall Street and loser Obama are finished.
Putin represents a fundamentally real shift that in this fight for humanity and the survival of the planet in the coming together of the BRICS and real economic
development best exemplified by the Lunar Helium 3 mining initiative by the Chinesse now to be funded by the BRICS development bank for H3 Fusion.
Americans need to understand this development as the way out of this insanity and leave the British Empire losers behind…starting with the impeachment of loser Obama.
Gaia,
Putin is a totalitarian thug, who very much like governments in the west rewards the rich and powerful. He just happens to be standing up to stupidity in Ukraine.
Impeachment, drop it, it’s a distraction. That “loser” won the election twice, unlike the last guy. And replacing Obama with Biden, are you joking.
He 3 mining on the moon will not be viable at an industrial scale anytime soon, no matter what LaRouche claims.
The gays are not out to get you, Brazil is very supportive of gay rights.
Right the pursuit of money for the sake of money needs to be challenged, but it’s not just a City of London problem.
Lost how can I not say that you have chosen an appropriate name considering aspects of your commentary are a bit lost.
Gay red herrings might well swim the oceans, but recognition of what is a calculated “Intelligence Operation”, by the west against the Russian people, the latest in a long strategy of genocide
is but stating a fact…you can wake up now.
Wake up and realize that we have not had a real election in many years in this country, and by the way the Bush Machine go Obama reelected for how do Cuban anti-communists come to vote for Obama, but what we do have is the power and principle of impeachment to hold these tyrants feet to the fire.
The principle of impeachment speaks to the fact that impeachment ultimately concerns preserving the principles of the Constitution. Had Bush been impeached much of this recklessness of the ‘Unitary Executive’ would be in check, Obama would not feel free to just go bomb a nation or kill American Citizens or spy on us, etc, Etc, ETC if Congress had upheld its duty.
Unfortunately the Democrats put politics before principle saying that impeaching Bush would get in the way of winning the Presidency (with the dictatorial powers they covet). The same today with the Republican who will not impeach because it could upset their political chances.
Do we have any patriots in Congress?
Gaia:
The problem is you didn’t say Bush should have been impeached and that would have stopped some of Obama’s continuation of Bush abuses. Of course impeaching Bush and conviction would just have made Cheney president, and he was pushing for war with Iran in 200 6/7.
Another screen name I’d thought of using was Fringe, but that seemed way too obvious.
Then “redding herrings”, well there are all sorts, like dancing Israelis, or “impeach Obama”–and you’re one of the few advocating impeachment that calls attention to the only impeachable offense of Obama–the ordering of continued drone strikes in Africa and Pakistan.
Yeah sure “intelligence” operation hide under different guises, but not only the “gay agenda”.
Gaia, your comments regarding Putin are insightful and condensed. Sure, there’s a lot more behind what the Criminal Class is attempting to do,and what Putin is thwarting bit by bit. Your past posts indicate you have done so much research into all that swirls around us, so thanks for all the good info you provide.
The infornmation and dis-information swirling around us these days, such as folks calling Putin a totalitarian thug, but I wondered if you have read this article by Sharon Tennison, some of which is a first-hand account of her meeting with Putin many years ago before he ever dreamed of being president of Russia?
http://www.russiaotherpointsofview.com/2014/04/russia-report-putin-.html
Nid:
It is not disinformation to call Putin what he is: “a totalitarian thug”, the behavior is well documented. And next time don’t leave out the part about Putin rewarding the wealthy and connected, and yes also standing up to western idiocy in Ukraine.
Another term for Putin would be smart Russian strong man, with some theocratic leanings.
Pretending he isn’t any of these things distracts from thinking about Russia.
Yes that is a good account, thanks for sharing it.
I am glad that my posts are appreciated.
Gaia glad you read Sharon Tennison’s experiences with Putin, as should others. In the interest of educating the masses, here are a couple of quotes from the linked article….
“Out on the sidewalk, I said to my colleague, “Volodya, this is the first time we have ever dealt with a Soviet bureaucrat who didn’t ask us for a trip to the US or something valuable!” I remember looking at his business card in the sunlight––it read Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.”
Oh, here’s a good one…..
“In addition to my personal experience with Putin, I’ve had discussions with numerous American officials and U.S. businessmen who have had years of experience working with him––I believe it is safe to say that none would describe him as “brutal” or “thuggish”, or the other slanderous adjectives and nouns that are repeatedly used in western media.”
I was misinformed about Mr. Putin in the past due to the Social Engineering and propaganda spewed by the Establishment Media into the airwaves. Their lies can be very subtle. They take root in a person’s psyche, and it takes a willing spirit to learn the truth in order to dispel their wicked lies. Whenever I encountered folks who ‘toe-the-line” and regurgitate, or parrot the thoughts the Establishment wants us to believe, I just hope I can shed some light and share better information with them.
Anyways, Gaia you seem to be keen on following threads of truth to see where they lead. So, hope you don’t mind if follow your posts here. Best of everything to you.
Gaia Mars-hall and Nidster:
I think several hundred thousand Chechens would disagree with y’all, and with very good reason.
And their objections outweigh the linked fan mash-site.
Last winter ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern gave a talk at the local University as a counterpoint to Condoleeza’s $170,000 speech the week before. McGovern, who was at one time the CIA weekly briefer to the president considers Rice et al to be “war criminals” for perverting the CIA’s intelligence assessments about Iraq. Anyway, at one point McGovern said a friend of his once attended a small, exclusive fundraiser for Obama. As Obama got peppered by disgruntled party faithful about his many reversals of campaign promises he blurted out in frustration, “Look at what the did to Martin Luther King!” Yeah, I think Obama is very, very scared of his “security” and security of his family as well.
I agree, that he’s scared for his life and his family’s. There’s no way to resist or back out from it, not at this stage. He might have intended good in the beginning and they allowed
him in to attract votes. Until the twisted ones dreadfully Coerce him into another direction
gkb623:
That fall of 2008 vote by Obama in the senate absolving telecom companies of breaking the law in going outside of the FISA court system to accommodate the Bush administration was big clue that president Obama was going to look out for corporations and the “national security” state types trying to circumvent mild oversight.
Then what followed made all too much sense.
Corporatist medical “insurance”.
Barely any banker prosecution, bail out the banks, and don’t demand real change, bail out GM and Chrysler, with much less money, and demand that the hourly workers just give up a living wage.
Continuation of the mass collection of emails, web browsing, and other meta data.
The coup in Honduras.
Consider all the kill strikes Obama has made. “Five years ago, on January 23 2009, a CIA drone flattened a house in Pakistan’s tribal regions. It was the third day of Barack Obama’s presidency, and this was the new commander-in-chief’s first covert drone strike.” Then there was the killing of al Qaeda mastermind Osama bin Laden in March 2011. Drone attacks authorized so far by Obama amount to more than 2,400 dead, at least 273 were reportedly civilians. That about six times more killings than under the dastardly GWBush.
Just one week after Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace prize he authorized a missile strike on a small hamlet in Yemen. Of the 41 dead, 21 were children and 12 women, five of whom were pregnant.
For someone who came into office with ‘good’ intentions he certainly succumbed to the ‘twisted ones’ fairly quickly and with little to no resistance. One could also make the case that he likes his job too much. There may be good reason for Obama to be fearful because what if some of the friends and relatives of the dead ever seek retribution? Does anyone have any doubt we are ruled by the Criminal Class?
Nid:
As you say and drone strikes. Yep criminal class, so there we agree.
And right Obama sure jumped in with both feet in early 2009.
I know what a lot of you out there are really thinking – the only thing that could blackmail the entire Congress in unison would be the threat of a nuke, and as many nukes and nukeable materials as have gone missing any such threat would have to be taken seriously. That is our awful dilemma – that’s the one threat we can’t second guess. Any country like say, Israel, could hint, hint, hint that they have “intelligence” indicating that certain rogue elements have stashed a detonatable nuke in DC, and that we had better do what they say. How would Washington handle this? It couldn’t really be handled at all, and now that we know how utterly ruthless these “rogue groups are (as witness 9/11) we suspect there is nothing they would not do to get their way no matter how heinous – shooting down civilian airliners packed with innocent civilians is just an hors’doeuvre for these monsters, and they often remind us now just how demonic they are. There is really only one out left to us – stage a coup to countercoup the one that happened in the 2000 election.
I wouldn’t put much stock in Congress being frightened of some usable once weapon stashed in DC. Also there are much more usable weapons than nuclear arms, witness the gear used to turn the WTC into powder.
Congress takes many breaks. So doesn’t spend a lot of time in DC.
Sure the 2000 election was stolen, but some of this same criminality would be with us even if Gore had been serving as president. No, the US would not have invaded Iraq. And the banks wouldn’t have been further deregulated, so the national debt would be a bit less.
But the games would be being played in central Europe.
The Democrats were just as big deregulaters as the Republicans….they worked together, at tag team, be it NAFTA to whom Al Gore was the Clinton Administration lead thug, or be it the destruction of Glass-Steagall or the Leahy-Lugar Bill….
George H.W. Bush could never have passed NAFTA, which he started, through Congress, but Clinton sure did.
Yes the entire Congress are blackmailed traitors.
Yes the Congress is entirely blackmailed.
This what the 9/11 Calling Cards, known as the
Anthrax Letters, were all about…Senator Leahy and Daschle: You remember Senator Wellstone and JFK don’t you! You love your family don’t you!
There is no one in Congress willing to uphold their Oath of Office against high crimes and treason, but they will send soldiers to fight based on lies and their cowardice.
Gaia,
Don’t dispute that some in Congress may be blackmailed, but doubt it’s some how exclusively Israel doing so. And not by your method.
Then even though yes democrats passed NAFTA and went along with the Reagan, a president Gore is very unlikely to have lowered, the already low, cash on hand requirements for investment banks. I wouldn’t call Gore the lead thug of the Clinton admin. Try Albright, Rubin, Summers, Emanuel and many more, though not one actually elected.
Sending troops to fight and die based on lies is not new in the USA.
Look what Martin Luther King did; what JFK did, what Lincoln did. What they did was something to be remembered. Remembered for the guts & courage it took.
What the fighting men & women, across the globe & time, fought & died for.
Apparently for some, it just isn’t in them.
Currently leaders vetted, are not standing;
they are kneeling.
At the very end of the interview Professor Cohen’s ‘old friend’ told him they believed Obama has no plan at all, he is just ignorant and uninformed, exactly what other seasoned observers are saying about Obama’s Iraq policy, it is ignorant and uniformed. In other words Obama could be the perfect “useful idiot”.
It appears obvious his ‘handlers’ only need to occasionally interrupt his golf game and hand him a script to read to the Presstitutes and his statements become America’s official foreign policy. This is a similar, but not a perfect analogy to scenarios found in the 1985 book, “The Unseen Hand” by Ralph Epperson where world leaders do the bidding of powerful people who lurk
behind the scenes.
The idea some power, or entity who directs human history can also be found in ancient literature. Go back in history about 2,000 years and there is a curious event written in the “Book of Luke” where an entity, the devil, took Jesus of Nazareth up to a ‘high place’ and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time, and said to him, “To you I will give all this authority and their glory, for it has been delivered to me, and I give it to whom I will. If you, then, will worship me, it will all be yours.” Now, that is a very intoxicating idea, or offer being made to a mere human. So, is there an entity who resides in our Universe that has been given complete authority over humanity, and can it freely pass that authority on to whomever it wishes?
So, plenty of explanations about the current events that swirl around us, but has Obama accepted some proposition offered by an unseen entity? Is he being directed by the Nazi International? Or, is he just that ignorant and uninformed? What is that called, that line of reasoning that says the simplest answer is often correct?
N,
You weaken your case for some hidden actors by pretending that Obama is golf obsessed and an idiot or uninformed.
Idiot, incurious, US president obsessed with golf, who caused most of the mess in Iraq and made things much worse by invading without an occupation force and plan, GWBush.
There is something Obama can do to help Iraq and that is get all the funding cut for the thugs (“rebel”) in Syria. But there he may very well encounter a hidden hand, which would harm him if he tried.
Obama could be obsessed with learning all the details of current events, but astute observers heard him boast in 2012 that he does not even read his daily intelligence reports. We know for a fact that Obama is most often found jetting off for either a fundraiser, game of golf, or on vacation. Whenever some scandal erupts in his administration he boasts that he first learned about it from newspaper reports. That’s a good reason for saying he is not very well informed, would you not agree?
Regarding the “useful idiot” comment, I’m not saying he is an idiot, per se, just that he is not so different than GWBush.
So, perhaps you could enlighten us by detailing the brilliance, if any, in Obama’s strategy to conduct air strikes in northern Iraq today? What is Obama’s brilliant strategy for dealing with the Ukrainian situation, or the illegal border crossings in the southwest US, or dealing with the IRS, and Veterans Administration scandals?
As stated above, Professor Cohen’s ‘old friend’ told him they believed Obama has no plan at all, he is just ignorant and uninformed. That appears to be the position being adopted by the professor, and it is from someone who twice voted for Obama. Some folks are waking up to reality, and some have yet to acknowledge it.
Nid:
And which president didn’t fund raise? That’s a huge distraction.
And I simply don’t believe claims that Obama doesn’t read briefings.
Did I call Obama “brilliant”? No. Did I say I thought bombing would help matters in Iraq? No.
It’s not news that people cross the US Mexican border. The masses of people crossing today are refugees who should be welcomed into the US.
Bringing up the adjective “illegal” doesn’t help.
Why do you keep thinking that I think Obama is “brilliant”, though he seems to have blunted a rush to war with Russia and last year Syria, so smart yeah.
In 2008 it was pretty obvious that Obama was a pro-corporate democrat, so not worth voting for unless your state were in limbo, since Obama remains a better choice than Johnny Bombing McCain and Palin. So I voted against Obama.
There is no IRS scandal, and the fact that you bring it up shows unhelpful and no real informed bias. (The tax exempt status of liberal and conservative groups was examined, big deal–the status should be challenged.)
The VA is a scandal, and it was a scandal when George Bush (both–and Clinton started to fix things) was president so not new to Obama, pretending otherwise doesn’t solve VA problems–fewer wars sure help, since then there are fewer injured veterans, oh wait Obama has mostly avoided sending US troops willy-nilly around the world on fools’ errands.
Obama is hugely different than GWBush, just the Iraq war is an obvious example.. Unfortunately Obama didn’t really stop the national security state from going further nuts, so in that regard he’s just as bad as Bush. Also just as bad, or worse than, Bush in not prosecuting big investment banks. However ibanks now have to hold more capital so that’s a big improvement over Bush.
Obama is the totalitarian murdering thug who is the key player in arming his Syrian Rebel terrorist armies that have morphed into murderous ISIS.
Of course Obama was chosen, because he is an entirely blackmailed asset…which includes the fact that he is a narcissistic sociopath who is actively leading forces under his command towards a ‘First Strike’ attack upon Russia.
Thank God Putin and Lavrov are level headed and serious.
Golfing Obama merely presents another image of how insane the west really is.
Gaia:
Calling Obama “totalitarian” is preposterous, and insults the actual victims of totalitarian leaders.
Obama seems to be working against war with Russia, and aint real into those Syrian “rebels”.
Pretending that Obama simply golfs does nothing for your case.
ISIS has ties to Syria and cutting funds to Syrian “rebels” would help, but ISIS is also very much made up of Iraqi Sunnis angry at the Baghdad government, and that’s far from Obama’s fault. He didn’t order an invasion with no occupation plans other than get rich. It’s Obama’s problem though–this ongoing civil war in Iraq.
Indeed Obama may be blackmailed, or something like that.
I wouldn’t give Savage 2 bits of credibility and the few times I’ve listened to him I’ve switched off the Radio in disgust.
That being said, isn’t it crystal clear to anyone with a pulse that the U.S. government is not being controlled by the figureheads we see on the teevee (Obama, CON-gress, dept heads) but by the same bunch that stole the 2000 & 2008 elections and got us involved in wars across the globe (i.e. the Neocons). They created their “Pearl Harbor” which PNAC said was essential to get the public to “go along”, and Cheney is still running the show from “Site R”. The control files, blackmail, and downright lives of those being controlled relies on their cooperation. The MSM is aware of all this but under the same constraints. There, I said it, and here come the “Black Helicopters”.
Yup yup yup.
Tin foil hat west. Maybe disrupt the torsion beams coming your way.
I have to agree Westcoaster… I do not listen to Savage for many of the same reasons. I just thought, however, that it was very odd to have two people from such different ends of the spectrum thinking more or less the same thing. I share their mystification.
Just a heads-up Dr. Ferrell with regard to the idea that this interview “Savage” had with Professor Cohen was indicative of two people from opposite ends of the spectrum, but it needs critical analysis.
One of the aspects of Talk Radio is the idea there are only two opposing viewpoints that are profitable enough to be heard over the commercial air waves that the FCC controls. This idea has been drilled into the minds of 10’s of millions of people’s psyche, i.e. Conservative, as opposed to Liberal, is the only format profitable enough to support a radio station.
Michael “Savage” Weiner is a Berkley graduate, and a dyed-in-the-wool Liberal who claims to be the most Conservative talk show host, bar none.
Why? Well just consider how many self-proclaimed Liberal talk show hosts are heard over the airwaves.
Michael Weiner is pulling the wool over people’s eyes to get them to believe he is a true Conservative, but he just is not a Conservative, but that is OK with me.
While he is a pretty smart guy and comes up with some really good analysis now and then he is not a Conservative, but that is OK with me.
I wish I could disclose my sources, but I can not. Sorry to make this such a long post.
You have to have some SERIOUS CLOUT to dictate foreign policy to the POTUS, the UK PM, all the heads of the EU, and so on. Well there are two kinds of clout, one is a threat of some sort, and the second is money. But I think the reason for this almost unbelievable stance on demeaning of Russia is, drum roll…………..SPACE. Russia is no threat to the US, EU and UK on Earth, BUT, who knows what Russia has in it’s space arsenal?
So the answer to who is directing policy here is, another drum roll………….The Breakaway Civilization.
Reason, who controls space controls this planet, and it would appear that the Breakaway Civilization “knows” that Russia has maybe an upper hand in the “tool kit” of space toys. So there you have it, and it’s been stareing us in the face all the time.
I seldom say this about about Giza posts, but the level of delusion behind this one makes me uncomfortable. For starters, Steven Cohen is a misinformation specialist whose constant small-minded viewpoint gives him zero insight into American politics. Four years to figure out who Obama is fronting for, and he votes for that nincompoop a second time? People who constantly choose liberalism over conservatism, or conservatism over liberalism, are simply choosing one side of the Fascist coin over the other. They do it by peddling misinformation and misdirection, and this video is a perfect example. Oh, if we could only find out who is advising Obama everything would change! Would it? Why look for his advisors? They are only messenger boys anyway. Look for those who are benefitting from Obama’s policies. Its always the same group: The International Corporate Power Elite. Do we really need to know anything more to bounce that birdbrain out of office?
Again I have to agree lazer-eye, at least about the four years to figure out Mr. Obama. What I found oddly fascinating was why two people from such opposite ends of the spectrum should be so similarly mystified as I over the counter-intuitive nature of foreign policy right now.
Just a heads-up Dr. Ferrell with regard to the idea that this interview “Savage” had with Professor Cohen was indicative of two people from opposite ends of the spectrum, but it needs critical analysis.
One of the aspects of Talk Radio is the idea there are only two opposing viewpoints that are profitable enough to be heard over the commercial air waves that the FCC controls. This idea has been drilled into the minds of 10’s of millions of people’s psyche, i.e. Conservative, as opposed to Liberal, is the only format profitable enough to support a radio station.
Michael “Savage” Weiner is a Berkley graduate, and a dyed-in-the-wool Liberal who claims to be the most Conservative talk show host, bar none.
Why? Well just consider how many self-proclaimed Liberal talk show hosts are heard over the airwaves.
Michael Weiner is pulling the wool over people’s eyes to get them to believe he is a true Conservative, but he just is not a Conservative, but that is OK with me.
While he is a pretty smart guy and comes up with some really good analysis now and then he is not a Conservative, but that is OK with me.
I wish I could disclose my sources, but I can not. Sorry to make this such a long post.
lazer-eye:
You undermine your point by calling Obama a “bird brain”. The point that his term of the presidency has served many of the same powers that Bush or Clinton did isn’t a new point. And yet Wall Street screams when Obama proposes mild reform.
As for “bounce out of office” do you really want president Biden? Or the even more corporate Romney?
Frankly, Joe Biden is beyond scary in my opinion, but I didn’t vote for Obama and disagree with many of his policies(I favored a hybrid single payer health care system similar but different from most of the civilized countries’ systems.. something unique to our country). Also, I was disappointed that he hasn’t attempted to stymie some of the patriot Act and the police state that it brought to us. John “bomb the hell out of them” McCain would probably have us in Russia by now, so there are no good guys out there in my opinion.
db
Right, there could have been much worse.
Imagine President Sarah Palin, after McCain passes away.
Or imagine the giant corporate gifts from a Romney administration–and as of late spring 2012 the 2012 election was Romney’s to lose.
As a Russian, I must say Mr. Cohen announced some thoughts from Russian point of view on Ukrainian crisis quite accurate. If the Novorossia(new state proclaimed in the South-East of Ukraine) will fall down, the next attack will be on Crime, and then continental Russia. The media in Ukraine tells that Ukraine is at war with Russia. And more than half population is convinced. Starting few weeks ago some information started coming through in Ukraine. And people in different parts of Ukraine are starting to protest in different kind of forms. For example in Zaporozie, Odessa people who support “punishing operation” against Novorossia were killed.
But I would like to say a few more words on how Russians and I personally understand what’s going on. First a prehistory.
After the collapse of the USSR all former Soviet republics got under control of the USA and it’s ally’s(even Russian Federation – RF). Politics, economics(everybody knows how the central banks work these days), culture, media are strictly controlled. And resistance was showed in Kazakhstan, Belarus, Transnistria, Abhazia, South Osetia and of course RF(Putin started to form resistance more successfully than his predecessors).
And during all these 23 years in every part of former USSR official ideology is Russians are bad, Russia is enemy(even in Russian Federation itself). I know that quite well cause I’m from Estonia.
And people in Russia who resisted actively for the past 15 years against this order succeded in some aspects. Of course Central bank still kills Russian economy, 24/7 we here bullshit from 90% of channels and newspapers. But achievements are huge anyway. But the real issue is to get all Russians back together. Today if you go to Azerbadjan, Georgia, Latvia, Tadzikistan and other Soviet Republics and ask ordinary people if they want to reunite with Russia, the answer is – Yes. But if you ask elite, the answer is – No, never. They got their privilege to parasitize and they don’t want to overview this kind of order.
So Nazarbaev(president of Kazakhstan), Putin and Lukashenko(president of Belarus) started to form Eurasian Union. But the main point is Ukraine. Ukraine is Russia, it always was and will be. And Europe treats Ukraine as a barbarian because of that. Back in 1991 Ukraine was the wealthiest part of USSR, it produced all kinds of planes, cars, machines, metals, agriculture etc. Now it is famous for their prostitutes(grief for Russia an me personally).
Ukraine territorial is a former part Kievan Rus, and Kiev was the capital of Russia in 10-12 centuries. And to get Ukraine in Eurasian Union is a principle question. If there were no “Maidan”, following events and war, it would took up to 10 years Ukraine and it’s elites to realize that economic stability and development is in the Eurasian Union.
Maidan, coup d’etat and punishment operations, we Russians see as West Intervention in Russia. The USA and Europe controlled Ukraine anyway, but they needed to achieve more goals there: to make war between one part of Russia with another. There plenty of people from USA and NATO countries that are fighting against people in Novorossia. The tactics are clear now – to kill more Russians and Ukrainians from both sides as many as possible, and to destroy infrastructure. That would make harder to form Eurasian Union, because Russia would have to restore Ukraine after war and solve problems with refugees. There are only officially registered 750 000 refugees from Ukraine in Russia, and this is only beginning. This would slow down creation of the Eurasian Union, especially new currency and prolong the strength of dollar and Euro as reserve currencies.
To make myself clear. When I say USA, Europe, WEST, I mean elites that make decisions, not ordinary people. I do believe that decisions from elites does make suffer ordinary people in the West.
OK, I’m not sure who you’re asking in Latvia if they want to be part of Russia, but I can tell you none of my family and friends there wants to be part of Russia. In turn, they don’t really want to be part of NATO either. All they would like is to have some peace and not be plowed under by some army, east or west. Not sure who you know in Estonia, but they tolerate the Russians imported during the soviet era even less than the Latvians do.
I can tell you that Russians come to Latvia and pay to gain EU residency (not getting full citizenship). Why do you think they’re doing that? Because Mother Russia is so awesome?
In any event, the Ukraine situation is a complete mess, and there is meddling from both sides. Non-Ukrainians are looking for resources, whether agri-, energy or mfg. Ideological reasons why are a cover for this. West and East are both brutal pimps who’ve beaten a young runaway, yet claiming each would “respect” her if she knew her place in the world. Both sides suck, and I wish there was a viable 3rd option.
I talked to people who were living in different parts of USSR, people who can compare, people who can look statistics, people who take look around their home towns and remember or discover what was back 25 years ago. This is not about what I want or anybody else. I guess today many of us know how media can make you want something, sometimes very badly.
To have a third option and to be independent in East Europe is a unaffordable luxury. I mean Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine can’t be like Switzerland. But Swiss still is part of the west. Some years ago Tito’s Yugoslavia was neither West or East. But you know what happened next.
Why people from Russia to Baltic states try to gain EU residency? They want to see the world, it’s more simple to travel. But quite many come like tourists also. Cause the stereotipes from USSR still live today. Baltic states are a little Europe for Russians. They truly like it there. In some way it is a fetish for Russians to visit Baltic states also adopted from USSR.
But what Baltic states gained from From Nato, EU, collapse of the USSR? There were all kind of industry – now it’s gone. There were movies from Latvia, Estonia that could be seen in different parts of the USSR and they were quite good, know nobody cares about shit that’s been shot today. I still talk to my mother(who’s Russian) about culture(singers, movies, musicians) in Latvia and Estonia back then and I can’t talk to my contemporaries about today’s culture, cause it’s not worth talking.
The main issue among youngsters today is to get away as soon as possible. Many people go looking for a job abroad. Population is reducing. These are sad facts, not just some people’s “wannabes” or “don’t wannabes”. When I was a kid back in the year 2000,2001,2002 my summer was all about sports pitch, and there were only few of them, and we were playing from afternoon till late night. Now I go around that same neighborhood, the number of pitches increased in three times, but there are no kids, there usually playing people around 30 and older.
Today so called “Ukrainian side” is supported by West media, official governments. They even sent a Boeing over territory where military actions taking place, it was hit there, people died. The official commission that investigates the catastrophe still silent, but the next day after disaster all huge papers were confident about Putin’s terrorists’s job.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZoBJzZFIBg&list=UU_r7f9GjEfEKQGqGU_v6tBw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2bd3qql3Hc&list=UU_r7f9GjEfEKQGqGU_v6tBw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8eN2C7GUos&list=UU_r7f9GjEfEKQGqGU_v6tBw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IAGTnLVFdw&list=UU_r7f9GjEfEKQGqGU_v6tBw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMO9vYcYers&list=UU_r7f9GjEfEKQGqGU_v6tBw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi_TCgpPquo
Especially look at the last video with a huge bomb funnel. It is not artillery, it’s a missile already.
These are the consequences from artillery attack in Novorossia from “Ukrainian side” this happens every day for two months now. Can you link me any evidence that civilians from “Ukrainian side” are killed by Novorossia’s or Russia’s force?
And this is happening to people, who don’t want be part of Europe. We are sitting comfortably on Baltic coast, reflexing and feel ourselves as Europeans, we enjoy it. But what would happen if did not join Europe. Are these bombs might have been addressing to us? Just think about. And don’t believe me, try understand what’s going on by yourself.
Do not speak the language, but I understood what the woman in the last video was saying well enough to know what has happened to those people and what they are going through.
Thanks for your very good posts, Konsti.
Excellent info. I have long puzzled over the selection of Obama as president as he is so obviously unqualified in any way. Yet he received the Nobel Peace prize before he had done anything. We don’t know the hidden players but here is my take (you won’t like it. the Olympians put him in as a joke. On the day after his election, the NY times had a brief section on the front page saying in essence so there you southern rednecks. ) Obama is the first affirmative action president and political correctness prevents most people from saying that. The emperor truly has no clothes. .
Obama is “unqualified”, and Clinton was qualified? Or G.W.Bush? Or Reagan?
And I have plenty of problems with Obama’s policies, but qualified types like John Kerry and Hillary Clinton helped the US invade Iraq.
If you mean not real experienced in governing that’s different.
meanwhile in London, they’re looking to turn Britain into Bitcoin capital..
royalty= genetic supremacy ( disguised as monarchy??) interesting.. and somebody put Obama in place to be a puppet, yet another mocking symbol
“The second scenario, mentioned toward the very end, is that there is no policy or agenda, and that the whole thing is being driven by essentially stupid, mindless people.”
There is a slightly alternative scenario. The presence of a contagious psychospiritual disease of the soul as e.g. described by Paul Levy in his excellent book: Dispelling Wetiko.
“This mind-virus─which Native Americans have called “wetiko”─covertly operates through the unconscious blind spots in the human psyche, rendering people oblivious to their own madness and compelling them to act against their own best interests. ”
http://www.awakeninthedream.com/wordpress/dispelling-wetiko/
I’m about halfway through this book now. Excellent read so far!
I was also pleasantly surprised to discover that the foreword is written by.. Catherine Austin Fitts. 🙂
The Ersatz doesn’t hold a candle to the original:
Columbus and Other Cannibals: The Wetiko Disease of Exploitation, Imperialism, and Terrorism by Jack D. Forbes and Derrick Jensen(Nov 4, 2008)
The Fascist International might be a good candidate for the people behind the curtain so to speak. Or have the merchants of death taken over the governments of the USA and Western Europe and have to speak making a killing more ways than one in this disaster they have concocted for fun and profit.
Why World War III? or China/Russian way out! An answer is here:
Adjust To China’s Helium-3 Standard: You Have No Choice
August 11, 2014 • 6:09AM LPAC
The time has come for mankind to reach agreement on a new standard of economy, to totally change the rules of the game. Under the present rules, we are headed for extermination warfare. So we had better change the standard, now.
China has adopted that standard, with its lunar program aimed at mining helium-3, a program which consciously is to benefit all mankind. Now the world must join in that standard–or face extinction. We have no choice.
“Helium-3 is the greatest power that we on Earth command,” said Lyndon LaRouche on Aug. 10. “China, and its allies India and Russia, are working on realizing the development of that power by mining the Moon, and the only hope for those who want to bring the world out of crisis, is to work with them.”
China’s role in pulling together the nations of the earth around its development perspective, implicitly based on its helium-3 science-driver program, came to the fore again this last weekend at the ASEAN Regional Forum held in Myanmar. Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi attended the meeting of the 10 ASEAN nations, plus Russia, the EU, Australia, India, and the United States, and pushed forward a strategic partnership with ASEAN.
At the conclusion of the discussions, both bilateral and between China and ASEAN, agreements for forging ahead on a development path were reached among nations once again representing half of humanity. Included in those partnerships is China’s offer to all the ASEAN nations to become founding members in the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (Thailand has already accepted), proposals for cooperation around the “21st Maritime Silk Road” proposed by Chinese President Xi Jinping, and Chinese participation in development projects in the region, including the Mekong Delta. The Indian and Chinese Foreign Ministers also met to discuss further economic cooperation.
“What China, India, and Russia are doing is typical of real achievement, “ LaRouche said. “They are ready to take charge.”
Not surprisingly, in this context, the U.S. agenda–of getting ASEAN to condemn “provocative acts” in the South China Sea, a not-so-veiled attack on China–was rejected.
In contrast to this, the imperial warmongers running policy in the trans-Atlantic region–most specifically the British and Barack Obama–are nothing but bluffers, LaRouche emphasized. They are expending their effort in the attempt to crush Russia and China, threatening and even wielding their military might to carry out genocide in areas such as Southeast Ukraine–in hopes of provoking Russia into conflict. Their actions are brutal and shameless, to the point of the British Defense Minister denying the reality of the humanitarian crisis in cities which the Ukrainian government has cut off from water and electricity for more than a week, and which the Red Cross and UN have certified as a “catastrophe.”
The reality, however, is that Obama and the British empire are bluffing, said LaRouche. They have nothing behind them, and are just hoping they can bluff their way through. It’s like the vulture funds who are still trying to steal from Argentina–they have nothing coming to them. They are a bunch of losers.
All Obama and other British vassals can do is to hope to intimidate the population into capitulating to their fakery. If we mobilize people not to capitulate, they can’t win in their World War III/genocide drive. If we don’t succeed, it’s extinction.
Once you take the power of helium-3 into account, and the way China and its allies are wielding it, you can effectively deal with these fakers, LaRouche said. People have to get a sense of this power–and mobilize their will to put it into effect. Helium-3 is the orientation which solves mankind’s problems.
“Go to helium-3, or drop dead,” LaRouche concluded.
There are many better ways of generating energy than using mined He-3.
La Rouche, and others like him, who go on about this element or that element, need to let go of a totally stable and exactly quantized periodic chart.
In other words, if these Chinese moon mining plans are indeed real, which I doubt, they’re not worth paying close attention to.
Tuning systems to etheric (space-time if you will) flux is likely the best form of energy generation–keeping blades sharp in a pyramid being an obvious example, so is much plant growth, including large plant systems like whole forests.
Ultimately this is about a kind of music, not blasting to then capture and/or refine minerals/elements.
Lost, I would agree with you as concerns etheric energy, but please get out of the pyramid and realize that yes the Chinese moon mining plans are real and H3 fusion is a very powerful way in which to generate energy.
Now I still think that Randall Mills Blacklight Power process will be that which will create a total energy revolution on the planet, but until that happens the initiative that is being lead by the Chinese represent the leading edge of industrial development for mankind.
So here we are on the verge of World War III and some folks are scratching their heads who is behind this war drive….well it is the British Empire and LaRouche has correctly identified the strategic flanking maneuver that the People of the United States must recognize and be part of if we are to survive.
Watch the August 8th Webcast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Fo4mCCA30
Gaia-
I don’t dispute that He3 could be mined, but it’s not going to happen on the moon any time soon.
And the only way to do anything like that cheaply would involve travel to the moon easily with teleportation and/or antigravity, and both of those technologies obviate trivial energy generation with He3.
So any plans China may have are mostly for show. And they don’t represent a leading edge of something that can be done on industrial scale.
For now we seem to have avoided World War 3.
Why do people of the US have to survive any more than people of China or Russia, or Syria, or Iran?
Clean energy, clean water, high quality food, much better use of minerals, all seem to suggest better ways of surviving for every one.
I wouldn’t put too much stock in Randal Mills’ techniques over that of others’.
They shut down Tesla 100 years ago for looking at wireless transmission of electricity. I wouldn’t hold ones breath for any free energy revolution anytime soon. The elites will squeeze every last drop of our tax paying lab rat blood for oil and another fossil fuels.
RAJM:
Maybe we won’t be running our homes off etheric flux accumulators anytime soon. Or even using cold fusion generators to power things for a while.
But the science behind these things is beginning to be talked about openly and broadly. One of the motivations for so rewarding financial services over development of much more than computer tech seems to be to distract from say real cold fusion reactor development and broad application. Distraction with wars against terror also seem to be part of the plan to take monies and minds from pursuing better things for the world.
Wind, solar, and hydro-electric are all open systems forms of generation. And those first two have indeed made big strides in just the last 10 years.
Slowly matter is being looked at differently, it’s not simply the periodic chart. Some of this comes from ORMUS types, some out of better Soviet physics. Some comes from the fact that now computers can do hundreds of thousands of measurements and assemble the data into meaningful science about complex systems, whereas even as recently as 25 years ago those kinds of observations weren’t possible without decades of work. Few thinking people have much respect for medicine based solely on chemistry.
From places like highend audio equipment, look at the resurgence of turntables and tube amplifiers, and now the addition of much much better digital playback.
I was reading a basics of radio tubes book from 1920, and it explicitly states tubes pick up vibrations in the ether.
Below is a link to a map of Huntington’s Cultural Core Space. Notice that the division between western Europe and eastern Europe runs through the Ukraine, that is to say the division between the Roman church and Eastern Orthodox church.
https://www.google.com/search?q=clash+of+civilizations+map&tbm=isch&
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I think the answer is simple. It is the same answer for over 1,000 years. It starts with the Fourth Crusade, the destruction of the Hagia Sophia, the murder of the Cathars in the Languedoc, the Inuisition, the Jesuits, of which BZ is one and from the black nobility. This was the whole motivation behind the Prussian wars, Napoleon, Lenin, Stalin (Fed stooges) and Hitler. The Vatican is driving this. Orthodox Christianity has always been a thorn in their side. The also applies to the Middle East and the US trained ISIS in Jordon, now murdering non-Catholic Christians, and the same holds true of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Morsi whose next step was to start a war with Ethiopia. 80% Orthodox Christians. It would be another genocide. The Vatican and the Jesuits are the hidden hand. This is a lovely article:
They said ‘Yes’ to the Devil
http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/11-08-2014/128256-yes_to_the_devil-0/
Frankly the communist era Pravada was more believable than this conspiracy website Pravada.ru.
As for the Federal Reserve running Stalin and Hitler that’s a stretch. That yes banks from the west did business with the Soviets in 1920s and the Nazis in the 1930s absolutely. It’s the total control that never seems to be evident.
There are plenty of Catholics (subset of) under attack by Islamic extremist “rebels” in Syria. So that kind of belies any claims about this all being run by some hidden Catholic force.
All roads lead to Rome. And the same plan is being carried out in the USA. For over 200 years the Jesuits from George Town University have been trained to infiltrate all Protestant Churches across the USA. This they have done very successfully. Hence the Neo Con Zionist movement. Bush and the CIA have very strong links to the Vatican and the Nazis protected by Rome and brought over after WW2.Blackwater in turn is a military army that answers to Jesuit and Vatican rules. These are the same people who supported the “rebels”in Libya, Syria and now ISIS in Iraq. There are also the people who run “colour”revolutions to destabilise countries and bring them into the Corporate Fascist mold, a la Ukraine and the Fracking and IMF deals. Except with Egypt they came unstuck. Morsi was going to send the army into Syria, where the “rebels”have been persecuting Orthodox, Armenian and Chaldean Christians. He was going to hand over the Sinai to Hamas, which was funded and started by Mosaad. They were destroying Christian churches and persecuting Christians in Egypt and the next big holocaust is planned for Ethiopia.
In the USA there are two groups that they still have difficulty in completely corrupting. The Amish, but then they are not a political threat, and the Quakers. Now this gets interesting. LaRouche, his daddy was a Jesuit, he “became”a Quaker, till the Quakers threw him out. LaROuche was very involved in covert CIA actions in South America and Africa, he was responsible for Nelson Mandela being caught and put in jail. Personally I do not trust the man. I think he is a Jesuit.
The Jesuits have pretty much sewen up South America, and have done so since the Conquistadors. Mostly Roman Catholic. Now, USA has illegals flooding across their borders, it is all a question of numbers. And here they come. USA will be 100% Roman Catholic and controlled by Rome. SO that is South and North America. The next big target and has always been for 1,000 years is Eastern Europe and Russia which is Orthodox Christian. Oh and Ethiopia of course. Major win for them that one!
G:
Those are a lot of assertions, and most can’t be backed up.
go do some research, go back 1,000 years, keep the Vatican as the central focus and move your way forward. And while you are doing that, keep in mind that these people have a preference for burning people alive, at the stake, in the ovens and with nuclear bombs, they also believe in total control, the Pope owns the planet ( no private land ownership) the Pope owns all bodies ( killing you is no sweat do research on Chile and Argentina) and the Pope owns all souls. Then link in the Illuminati/Jesuit foundation, Lockhead Martin the Vatican has shares. Bank of America, Vatican had major shares and so forth and so on… the picture really does become clear. And all the black nobility have used the Vatican as a means of total control, the first and foremost World Corporation outside of the law and with it’s own bank, they are now however moving forward, their control is now a vast interlinking spiderweb of Corporations and banks. SO even if the Pope is the last Poe and the Vatican becomes a museum piece, they have already set in motion their “NWO,” Agenda 21 control system.
Hmm.Axum.Maybe the Ark. Like your speculation here.
Gail,
Okay I could look some of those things up, but finding confirmation would be very hard.
Also you undermine claims with references to totally voluntary and real middle of the road agreements like Agenda 21.
Then I suspect whatever stops mankind from going to the stars and cooperating across various sects and names for god has been afflicting mankind for far more than a thousand years.
Just look at all of the ancient war texts from Asia, the midEast, and even the Pacific.
whatever. your choice. take it or leave it. My bottom line is defending and standing up for Christian groups who do not crawl to the Pope or the Vatican. And the Vatican has been a diabolical stain. No Christian burns another human being alive and then gets to say they are believers in Christ. If I had the time and the patience, which would most probably take me at least three hours, I would give you links and information. But I have neither right now. Sorry. So, you are on your own. Good luck. 🙂
Not limited to christians, but unfortunately there’s plenty of burning and killing in the name some particular god, or interpretation of such, in many religions’ histories.
And it’s not like protestant sects or eastern orthodox versions of Christianity haven’t engaged in this kind of thing. You can reference various Serb attacks on Muslims and Catholics 20 years ago in the breaking up Yugoslavia–and yes I understand the violence went the other way too.
Agenda 21–a “real middle of the road agreement”. I thought Agenda 21=NWO…
foggygoggles:
It doesn’t represent anything like that. Claims that it is some vast conspiracy distract from abuses like trade agreements giving more power to arbitrated decisions than actual legal systems–that’s very real ordering in aid of corporate power and abuse. Note then the state is subservient to something else.
Hmm.Axum.Maybe the Ark. Like your speculation here.
Joseph, you did post a video, it was Karen Hudes talking about the gold and the vast amounts of it that were not on book. That said, its tedious to create a synopsis, so it makes sense not to include them.
I feel the ghost of 1307, 1918, 1933, 1947, and 1963 painting its dark shadow over the world, in the open, again.
“Soros”? Um, distraction. And I’m sure plenty of currency traders are making money on the misery in Ukraine.
Okay SPECTRE and some allied factions in the US are pushing for a shrunken Russian influence in middle Europe. And clearly are willing to fight a large war with Russia to change things in Europe.
All some variation of the central Asian “Great Game” between the UK and Russia with SPECTRE in the mix. But someone doesn’t seem to realize the resources available to Russia, and even so parts of the US military, to disrupt this garbage.
The US military, with help from the UK, stopped Obama from bombing Syria. US intelligence types have said “we’re not clear about what shot MH17 down”.
So even though people like John Kerry, and again this weekend Hillary Clinton, have tried to sell justified belligerence to the world, they’ve been thwarted.
All unlike, Sept 12, 2012: When the Bush administration just said: “Trust us, we know Bin Laden did it, here’s how. And of course it makes sense that the towers disappeared into small piles.” And the New York Times, etc, went along.
It may indeed be financial gamers a la the Carlyle Group that are manipulating events in order to take advantage of “can’t lose” short positions, commodities trading, etc. You have to wonder though how much “thwarting’ is going to happen if another 9/11 scale false flag event is staged. In that scenario, emotion rules and the speed of events can easily precipitate some horror of an action that sets off a runaway chain reaction. You know the war machine is pissed by all this talk of cutting defense budgets. Some of the crazies in the Pentagon know how to set up panic or hair trigger situations. Let’s say the financial markets start to implode as the debt bomb goes off – that is when it is most likely we see a major diversionary tactic which is partly what 9/11 was – a diversion from the cratering stock market in the Fall of 2001. The market rout could then be blamed mainly on the “national emergency,” and “national emergency” loose credit can be regarded not as rescuing the markets from structural deficiencies but as forgivable emergency funds to deal with the “terrorist” emergency.
What most scares me is a big, precipitous market correction and free fall.The temptation then to create a diversionary war will be huge for the jackasses who have screwed the US into a cocked hat already.
emlong:
Some of those “crazies” in the Pentagon are the ones that helped Obama stop the rush to bomb Syria.
So, I’d skip placing blame for this Ukraine mess with the US military or even CIA, remember the CIA made clear, quickly, that they really didn’t know who shot down MH17.
There are other actors–I guess yes some may have ties to the AF Academy and parts of CIA.
The Queen of England.