In an important article over at Vineyard of the Saker, Russian foreign policy expert and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov's recent speech in Moscow on geopolitics, American democracy, and economic sanctions, are using words that we have ourselves warned will be the long term consequences of the current Western - i.e., American - policy in the Ukraine (and my thanks to Ms. K.M. for pointing this article out):

Absolutely crucial statement by Foreign Minister Lavrov (*MUST READ*!)

There are so many things to ponder in this article, but I want to draw your attention to what "the Saker" himself outlines at the beginning, in his own commentary:

"I have bolded out what I consider to be the most important statements made by Lavrov that day.  I would just like to add the following:

"1)  Lavrov is considered very much a "moderate" and his language has always been strictly diplomatic.  So when you read Lavrov, just imagine what folks in other Russian ministries are thinking.

"2) Lavrov makes no secret of his view of the USA and of his plans for the future of our planet.  When you read his words, try to imagine what a US Neocon feels and thinks and you will immediately see why the US elites both hate and fear Russia.

"3) Finally, Lavrov openly admits that Russia and China have forged an long-term strategic alliance (proving all the nay-sayers who predicted that China would backtstab Russian wrong).  This is, I would argue, the single most important strategic development in the past decade.

"4)  Finally, notice the clear contempt which Lavrov has for a pseudo-Christian "West" which dares not speak in defense of persecuted Christians, denies its own roots, and does not even respect its own traditions.

"Friends, what we are witnessing before our eyes is not some petty statement about the Ukraine or sanctions, it is the admission by Lavrov of a fundamental "clash of civilizations", but not between some wholly imaginary "Christian West" and Islam, but between Christian Russia and the post-Christian West.

"Russia did not want this conflict.  Russia did everything in her power to prevent it.  But the West left Russia no choice and Russia now openly declares her willingness to fight and prevail."(Italicized emphasis Saker's, boldface emphasis my own.)

So before we proceed, a few thoughts of my own. As most regular readers here know, I have been trying to point out that Mr. Putin's Russia, for all its problems, is not a throwback to some sort of "Neo-Stalinism" or attempt to "reconstruct the Soviet empire," but for the secular-minded elites of the West, who do not have or own any culture of their own(not even their own Western culture - indeed, to paraphrase a wise man, they're in it, but not of it), they can only perceive it to be so. Nor, really, is Mr. Putin's Russia a throwback to the autocracy. That said, however, Russia is engaged on a grand experiment: how to reconcile genuinely democratic institutions, respect for the rule of law, while recognizing the huge cultural influence that Eastern Orthodoxy has had on the formation of Russian culture and institutions. There is, really, no precedent for this in Russian history, and certainly not in western history. The West, for example, tends to think of "Europe" as if the whole geographical area was subject to the same cultural influences. In short, the West tends to midread its own historical influence into that of Orthodox-influenced Eastern Europe, and as such, suffers from profound myopia. One example which I have repeatedly pointed out in my blogs and books is that the idea of the corporate person, so fundamental in western jurisprudence, grew out of uniquely western Christian theological views; those views were not shared in the Orthodox East.

So the view from Russia is that of a "clash of civilizations"(note Mr. Lavrov's use of Samuel Huntington's term, and indeed, the title of Mr. Huntington's book of the same name) is under way, and the West's concern is not so much Islam, but a culture and country that is decidedly opposed to entering a "post-Christian" period, which, from Mr. Lavrov's point of view, really is but a euphemism for the complete collapse of the idea of the rule of law both domestically and internationally. Warming up to this point, Mr. Lavrov stated:

"Naturally, I will start with Ukraine. Long before the country was plunged into the crisis, there was a feeling in the air that Russia’s relations with the EU and with the West were about to reach their moment of truth. It was clear that we could no longer continue to put issues in our relations on the back burner and that a choice had to be made between a genuine partnership or, as the saying goes, “breaking pots.” It goes without saying that Russia opted for the former alternative, while unfortunately our Western partners settled for the latter, whether consciously or not. In fact, they went all out in Ukraine and supported extremists, thereby giving up their own principles of democratic regime change. What came out of it was an attempt to play chicken with Russia, to see who blinks first. As bullies say, they wanted to Russia to “chicken out” (I can’t find a better word for it), to force us to swallow the humiliation of Russians and native speakers of Russian in Ukraine.

"Honourable Leslie Gelb, whom you know all too well, wrote that Ukraine’s Association Agreement with the EU had nothing to do with inviting Ukraine to join the EU and was aimed in the short term at preventing it from joining the Customs Union. This is what an impartial and unbiased person said. When they deliberately decided to go down the path of escalation in Ukraine, they forgot many things, and had a clear understanding of how such moves would be viewed in Russia. They forgot the advice of, say, Otto von Bismarck, who had said that disparaging the millions-strong great Russian people would be the biggest political mistake.

"President Vladimir Putin said the other day that no one in history has yet managed to subjugate Russia to its influence. This is not an assessment, but a statement of fact. Yet such an attempt has been made to quench the thirst for expanding the geopolitical space under Western control, out of a mercantile fear to lose the spoils of what they across the Atlantic had persuaded themselves was the victory in the Cold War."

Then comes the first notification of the West's (i.e., America's) hypocrisy:

"Talks about Russia’s isolation do not merit serious discussion. I need hardly dwell on this before this audience. Of course, one can damage our economy, and damage is being done, but only by doing harm to those who are taking corresponding measures and, equally important, destroying the system of international economic relations, the principles on which it is based. Formerly, when sanctions were applied (I worked at the Russian mission to the UN at the time) our Western partners, when discussing the DPRK, Iran or other states, said that it was necessary to formulate the restrictions in such a way as to keep within humanitarian limits and not to cause damage to the social sphere and the economy, and to selectively target only the elite. Today everything is the other way around: Western leaders are publicly declaring that the sanctions should destroy the economy and trigger popular protests. So, as regards the conceptual approach to the use of coercive measures the West unequivocally demonstrates that it does not merely seek to change Russian policy (which in itself is illusory), but it seeks to change the regime -- and practically nobody denies this." (Emphasis added)

In this atmosphere, Mr. Lavrov charges Washington of poisoning the atmosphere of international relations globally with a culture of fear:

"However, so far, US administrative resources still work only in the NATO framework, and then with substantial reservations, and its writ does not reach beyond the North Atlantic Alliance. One proof of this is the results of US attempts to make the world community follow its line in connection with the anti-Russian sanctions and principles. I have spoken about it more than once and we have ample proof of the fact that American ambassadors and envoys across the world seek meetings at the highest level to argue that the corresponding countries are obliged to punish Russia together with them or else face the consequences. This is done with regard to all countries, including our closest allies (this speaks volumes about the kind of analysts Washington has). An overwhelming majority of the states with which we have a continuing dialogue without any restrictions and isolation, as you see, value Russia’s independent role in the international arena. Not because they like it when somebody challenges the Americans, but because they realise that the world order will not be stable if nobody is allowed to speak his mind (although privately the overwhelming majority do express their opinion, but they do not want to do so publicly for fear of Washington’s reprisals)"

Or to put it "country simple," Washington, with its constant rhetoric of "exclusiveness" and being "the indispensable nation", is really laying claim to a kind of national status for a culture of narcissism, psychopathy, and a kind of "entitlement" typical to the psychopath: "the rules apply, but not to me, because I'm special."

So against this context, Lavrov points out the obviousness of the world reaction to the claim to International Narcissism and Psychopathy being advanced by Washington:

"In attempting to establish their pre-eminence at a time when new economic, financial and political power centres are emerging, the Americans provoke counteraction in keeping with Newton’s third law and contribute to the emergence of structures, mechanisms, and movements that seek alternatives to the American recipes for solving the pressing problems. I am not referring to anti-Americanism, still less about forming coalitions spearheaded against the United States, but only about the natural wish of a growing number of countries to secure their vital interests and do it the way they think right, and not what they are told “from across the pond.” Nobody is going to play anti-US games just to spite the United States. We face attempts and facts of extra-territorial use of US legislation, the kidnapping of our citizens in spite of existing treaties with Washington whereby these issues are to be resolved through law enforcement and judicial bodies."

And thus we come to (merely one of) Mr. Lavrov's conclusions, and note carefully how this is addressed in particular to one American satrapy:

"We have been treated as “subhumans.”For over a decade, Russia has been trying to establish partnership ties with NATO through CSTO. These efforts were not just about putting NATO and CSTO “in the same league.” As a matter of fact, CSTO is focused on catching drug dealers and illegal migrants around the Afghan border, and the North-Atlantic Treaty Organisation is the backbone of the international security forces, which, among other things, were tasked with fighting the terrorist threat and eliminating its financing schemes, which involve drug trafficking. We tried everything: we pleaded and then demanded real-time contact, so that once NATO detects a caravan transporting drugs and is unable to stop it, it alerts us across the border, so that this caravan could be intercepted by CSTO forces. They simply refused to talk to us. In private conversations, our NATO well-wishers (and I actually mean this in the positive way) told us that the alliance can’t view CSTO as an equal partner for ideological reasons. Until recently, we saw the same condescending and arrogant attitude with respect to the Eurasian economic integration. And that despite the fact that countries intending to join the EAEU have much more in common in terms of their economies, history and culture than many EU members. This union is not about creating barriers with anyone. We always stress how open this union is expected to be. I strongly believe that it will make a significant contribution to building a bridge between Europe and Asia Pacific.

"I can’t fail to mention Russia’s comprehensive partnership with China. Important bilateral decisions have been taken, paving the way to an energy alliance between Russia and China. But there’s more to it. We can now even talk about the emerging technology alliance between the two countries. Russia’s tandem with Beijing is a crucial factor for ensuring international stability and at least some balance in international affairs, as well as ensuring the rule of international law. We will make full use of our relations with India and Vietnam, Russia’s strategic partners, as well as the ASEAN countries. We are also open to expanding cooperation with Japan, if our Japanese neighbours can look at their national interests and stop looking back at some overseas power"

Washington has thrown down the gauntlet, and intends to have a unipolar world in which it can do whatever its narcissistic, psychopathic, entitled self wants; and Russia has said no.The whole phenomenon of the BRICSA bloc, Mr. Lavrov suggests in his speech, is but the formal announcement of a very firm "No." And increasingly, and quietly, they are being joined by some skeptical powers in Europe. Russia's message here isn't just political, or economic, or even geopolitical, at least, not in the sense that these terms are understood in the West. Russia's message is a cultural one: the West is sick, and it is sick because of its post-Christian, mechanistic, materialist cosmology and rampant secularism. Russia, we would do well to remember, tried all that in its most extreme form: Marxism (another western import, let us remember), and it didn't work.

It is, in the final analysis, as "the Saker" himself suggests, a clash of civilizations. Russia can offer Tolstoy, Chekov, Dostoyevski, Rachmaninoff... Amerika can offer McCivilization: the Kardashians, Pussy Riot, and drones.

See you on the flip side...




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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. yankee phil on December 4, 2014 at 10:49 am

    That Nato sent in Gladio to overthrow a democratic pro russian govn’t by force,establishing a de facto polack junta with its own version of a parliment,then recognizing the junta as something democratic is quite amusing. Now add in the MH17 shoot down that now apparently involves holland itself, a corrupt deal that some of the victims family’s hired a lawyer, is sueing KLM for arranging to have many of its passengers transfered to flight MH17 of malasia airlines,he suspects they had foreknowledge of the impending disaster and loading M17 with dutch nationals ,Arthur Fleiger accuses KLM,a dutch national carrier, of willfully and knowingly placing these transfered passengers into harms way, implying the shootdown was planned or expected in collusion with Nato and the Kiev authorities. Holland had just been reprimanded in the int. court in holland for “cowardice in the face of the enemy” for their part in the bosnia enclav surrender in the yugoslavia conflict,unjustly I might add,only days before the crash of M17. At the same time as that decision, Holland is nominated for the leadership of Nato and kiev moves its BUK missle systems from Kiev to the eastern battle zone outside donansk to help fight an army with no aircraft. After all this MH17 is shot down and Kiev begins attacking the crash site in earnest,and holland refuses to inspect the site claiming it was too dangerous,all the while Malysian authorities inspect the site along with international observers. After all this obfuscation of the facts and circumstances holland is offically given the prestigious presidency of Nato. Surprise , surprise , surprise as gomer would say, no wonder Russia feels miffed,after all its fair trade and democratic reform, it gets nothing but lied to and set up by the new “partners” they tried so hard to please in the last 20 years. Interesting to see how this lawsuit agaist the dutch government will pan out,actually the question is when this lawyer will commit suicide due to the electronic warfare weaponry Nato will begin using on him,thank god he had the courage to bring the case forward.

  2. Levantine on December 3, 2014 at 5:31 am

    JP Farrell: In an important article over at Vineyard of the Saker, Russian foreign policy expert and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov’s recent speech in Moscow on geopolitics, American democracy, and economic sanctions, are using words that we have ourselves warned will be the long term consequences of the current Western – i.e., American – policy in the Ukraine …….

    Yes, indeed.

    You concluded: ….. It is, in the final analysis, as “the Saker” himself suggests, a clash of civilizations….

    I respectfully disagree. The conflict stems from the aspiration of the Western elites for a full-spectrum dominance at home and abroad. The West and Russia are in conflict “simply because Russia has dared to start having its own thoughts again, and has stopped following the orders that the drunken Boris Yeltsin was so happy to take.”

    …. Russia can offer Tolstoy, Chekov, Dostoyevski, Rachmaninoff… Amerika can offer McCivilization: the Kardashians, Pussy Riot, and drones….

    Rest assured that in modern Russia hardly anyone bothers with Tolstoy, Chekhov, et al., while the Russian multitudes are fascinated with and consume the products of American culture. Moreover, the state of Russia was founded by foreigners from the present-day West. That circumstance has a profound effect on the mindset of the Russian people, especially their elites. They are Westernophiles for centuries, to this day. It can be said that Russians are condescenders by cultural heritage. As foreigners founded Russia, foreign-inspired leaders like Peter the Great developed it. I think this explains the fall of Russia in the 1990s, and it may explain how someone can be both astute as Putin, and conduct a soft foreign policy. The super-profits from Russian oil exports go in buying US bonds, constantly! They still do! If the West goes down like a Titanic, it is a matter of historical logic to conclude it is likely pull down its eastern offspring.

    To be sure, I cheer for the Russian culture and Russia as a country: they may well be the saviors of the human species.

    ‘The clash of civilisations’ was promoted by the Western elites exactly in order to conceal their predatory plans around the globe. That looks like a no-brainer.

  3. Bente Petersen on December 2, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    Yes Mr Lavrov is calling a spade a spade. I find the voices that come from Russia be it is Putin, Lavrov, Shoigu or the Duma… of a civilised calibre their actions too. US and EU are so off the rails and running down hill to nowhere like a freight train with out brakes. It is good there are both Americans and Canadians who can think still! And some Europeans, though not amongst the politicians. Being Danish, well we have great social welfare and probably one of the lowest unemployment rates in EU but as for our “foreign policy” we have none… … I give EU as a union less than 5 years and it will broken up and into 28 separate countries … and that will be good for each one of us… USA will, as is, not be there even 5 years… there will be MAJOR and BLOODY upheavals and out of that better people will take charge and that will be good for the American people … and the rest of us… Amen !!!!

  4. Frankie Calcutta on December 2, 2014 at 9:07 am

    Russia is Putin
    Putin is Russia

  5. DanaThomas on December 2, 2014 at 5:25 am

    A lot of interesting comments on this topic!
    Briefly, the Lavrov statement contains a lot of messages for a variety of recipients, and there is even a reference to “little green men”.,,
    It shows an understanding of the importance of religion for constructing (or deconstructing) political myths. In this regard, Mr Lavrov’s criticism of the failure, a few years ago, to officially incorporate the catchphrase “Christian roots” in the EU charter might well be an olive branch extended to the Vatican, which strongly supported that attempt.
    There does not seem to be a return to the 19th century appeal in the name of “Holy Russia”, but something new.
    Here we might go back to what Joseph has said about how many of today’s assumptions and legal principles come out of the Medieval European “Christian” milieu (in the broad sense, with all the complex influences from many religions, peoples, periods etc.); and that Eastern/Byzantine and Western/Roman traditions differ on various points…

  6. basta on December 2, 2014 at 3:15 am

    ” …to put it “country simple,” Washington, with its constant rhetoric of “exclusiveness” and being “the indispensable nation”, is really laying claim to a kind of national status for a culture of narcissism, psychopathy, and a kind of “entitlement” typical to the psychopath: “the rules apply, but not to me, because I’m special.””

    Exactly. This hubris is wearing dangerously thin on the world, particularly including the populations of the Empire’s vassal and toady states.

  7. Gaia Mars-hall on December 1, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    Call Congress and Demand an NO Vote on H Res. 758 which ratchets up the war against Russia.

    People need to speak up, demand Obama’s impeachment while your at it.

  8. marcos toledo on December 1, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    The real problem Mr. Farrell is what we are dealing with in the West is over armed what the Romans described as Barbari Literi. Pardon my Latin Educated Barbarian as for post Christian no they just redress their old beliefs in the guise of Christianity or don’t understand what they reading whether the Bible or other books science, philosophy and other subjects. As Mel Brooks said in his and Carl Reiner in their 2000 year old man skit they’re Cave 76’s. Always looking for the next bogey man to conquer Russia is one of many bogeymen the West is fighting forever. In fact the West motto should be Their Coming To Get Us or as Ming the Merciless said paraphrasing We Are The Universe.

  9. GizaBrother on December 1, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    Good article! I do find that many nations are involved in this mess, but the reason why the US is struggling more and more in the geopolitical arena is in its lack of clearity and transparency concerning how it acts according to the ethical, humanitarian and peace principles of being a world leading power – to be a global leader in responsibility for the sake of a great development of the human civilization. Hence I would suggest it’s not only a clash of civilizations but also a clash of principles. Time and time again, one decision after another, the US has declared peace is achieved through military force. That’s never the case and never will be the case, when this is declared by a force as big as the US military force, backed up by trillions of USD per year, the surrounding world and especially the powers that are second or third most powerful in military strength are at some point saying enough, we take the leading role now, not through military force, but through geopolitical collaboration – hence the BRICSA bloc was created. Now, I’m sure both sides have their strengths and weaknesses, but it is not good in the long run that the world is enslaved by a nation that maximizes its military power in the darkness, while combining that with a semi-peaceful strategy in the global arena, while its people is suffering, I’m talking about the US now of course. So, change is needed, love has to come first and it needs to show as clear signs of peace in every situation, this is true change that the US and the world needs, the kind of change that guys like me, Dr. Steven Greer and you Joseph have been wanting for so long. 🙂 Whichever nation that is the most clear about its peace principles is going to win the people on a global scale. It does not matter how much intelligence and power the elite gathers, all that matters is the love intelligence of the people – its connection to the truth. The truth shall set us all free!

  10. Robert Barricklow on December 1, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    The Post Religion is the “Market Place”. Their God is Profit.
    The Elite who make policy do not speak for the people. In fact, they are diametrically opposed to the peoples’ will.
    The few Lord it over the many.
    Both Humanity & Nature are expendable to the money machine that wants to privatize & own it all. A price on everything, including your very soul. All going to the auction block.
    The Puppet Masters are saying to the Masses,
    Your Freedoms & Liberties are going once, going twice,
    SOLD to the Highest Bidder!
    The Profit God.

  11. Vargold on December 1, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    May I commend to you all an article posted today on Counterpunch:

    Ukraine War Driven by Gas-Dollar Link
    Defending Dollar Imperialism

  12. DownunderET on December 1, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    Probably the longest post by Joseph in quite a while. Saying that, there is a long story here and it isn’t a good one. This appears to be getting serious, and when the world looks at all the problems happening now, there is no doubt that the people of the world are blaming US foreign policy. So what is it with these wombats, a new world order, is that what they want? They may have ambitions for a NWO, but there is a small problem here, and it’s called BRICSA.
    I wouldn’t be surprised to see something like the banker murders, but this time it will be politicians. So, lets just sit on our hands for a while and watch these morons destroy what’s left of a world that has constantly seen war and famine for millennium. I just wish the poor American people can do something about it, but I doubt it.

  13. Joanna on December 1, 2014 at 10:05 am

    Dr Farrell,
    I see you managed to be on a “patriotic” hit list.

    • Delurking on December 1, 2014 at 10:23 am


      Out of curiosity, who has it in for Dr. Farrell? Could you link this list so that we might figure out where exactly Dr. Farrell is hitting home?

      • Joanna on December 1, 2014 at 1:59 pm

        why not?
        comments made by Rad (I have never seen here before ) and loisg are as they came from American Thinker, WND, Townhall, Canada Free Press. Front Page Mag (to name few)crowd ready to kill you with their Christian Bible, turn Iran to solid glass property, bomb anyone who does not stand for the USA and their only ally in the ME “values”, smear President Putin and Russia with rubbish they propagate all over the World day in and day out.
        Dr Farrel site is not the only one publishing favorable articles and/or opinions about Russia to atract instant Russia bushers. It works every time, so the saying about paid trolls to keep russophobia alive is very well “documented”.
        I hope I have satisfied your curiosity.

        • Delurking on December 1, 2014 at 2:23 pm


          I couldn’t actually locate any of the comments at other sites with a quick search. But if your claim is true, then the individuals concerned would appear to be more likely assets of the State of Rothschild than the US (which means they could still easily be US citizens unfortunately…perhaps more pesky “dual citizens” up to no good). Just as even the controlled media reported that at least tens of thousands are paid by the US government (our tax dollars at work!) to disrupt internet forums and further propaganda, I can easily imagine that the State of Rothschild has that much more intense an online effort right out of Goebbels’ playbook. Or maybe at this point it is fair to say that those tens of thousands paid by the US government are really, first and foremost, hired to further the agenda of the State of Rothschild, conspicuously always to the detriment of true American interests.

          In the end though, if the State of Rothschild hates Putin that much, all the more reason to support him.

        • loisg on December 1, 2014 at 10:47 pm

          Hi Joanna, I’m actually not a reader of American Thinker, WND (which I abhor) Townhall, etc. and I’m not ready to kill anyone with a Christian Bible, nor do I wish to turn Iran to glass property (I’m strongly anti-war), I don’t defend the USA at any cost, nor was I defending it in my post, and I think Putin can smear himself just fine without any help from me.
          What I have a problem with is a defense of Putin, at the expense of anyone else, that is grounded in fantasy and wishful thinking. That doesn’t automatically mean that I think the US is not at its share of fault, because it most definitely is, but there’s plenty of fault to go around.
          There’s a trend that I find very disturbing, and it is the trading of one set of ideas (mainstream media) for another set (alternative media) with no actual critique of the content. Why do we have to accept either one? Can’t there be a third or a fourth view?

          • Delurking on December 1, 2014 at 11:15 pm

            “There’s a trend that I find very disturbing, and it is the trading of one set of ideas (mainstream media) for another set (alternative media) with no actual critique of the content.”

            Personally, I do not accept any media uncritically, but instead think for myself. It is my impression that others here do the same. No one needs alternative media, just common sense in order to indict the US and support Putin. Accordingly, your comment is very strange. Stick to FauxNews, CNN, and MSNBC while the rest of us continue using our brains.

  14. loisg on December 1, 2014 at 9:42 am

    I agree with Rad on this one. Anyone who starts his rant with the idea that Russia is totally innocent and well-meaning and the “other side” is fully to blame for any conflict hasn’t looked seriously at the situation. This is just pure propaganda.
    His assessment of an America that is post Christian is probably very true, however Europe has been post Christian for decades, yet somehow Europe is excluded from the effects of this development.
    He speaks of the lack of free speech as a result of the demise of democracy, and then he tries to say that Russia is experimenting with real democracy, yet one will get thrown in jail in his country for simply criticizing Putin while in the US people criticize Obama ceaselessly and are allowed total freedom to do so.
    His arguments are so problematic and full of wishful thinking. Just look at the response the world leaders had at Putin at the latest meeting. Putin left early because he was being reprimanded and shamed on the world stage.

    • DaphneO on December 1, 2014 at 6:43 pm

      You said:

      ” yet one will get thrown in jail in his country for simply criticizing Putin”

      Really? Can we have proof please? And all the details of the story?


    • Button on December 1, 2014 at 8:07 pm

      If Eastern Orthodoxy still has any virility left to act as a cultural and spiritual anchor for the Russian people after the bacterial leeching of an imported political foreign body such as Communism, then it is truly as Dr. Farrell and Mr. Lavrov have suggested: we are witnessing a genuine “clash of civilizations”.

      I am not arrogant enough to suggest that I know this to be the case; however, being an American, I can say with absolute confidence that there is nothing comparable to a cohesive spiritual identity in America, unless it be that of mere “confusion”. The only binding adhesive that holds the American public together is self-interest, in a word – ego. Differences are quickly put aside in the face of a unified, external threat to wine, women, song, and the right to murder and insult one another.

      Let no one be deceived – Communism was never meant to be the check-mate in the ideological game of chess being played so intensely in the latter twentieth century and now into the twenty-first. Not even cultural Marxism. As an ideology, Marxism was insufficient to produce the kind of “men without chests” being molded and shaped to fit the coming nightmare simply because it was too unifying and too “ideological”. Its real goal and triumph lay in the materialist skeleton of the philosophic organism. I defy anyone spending a single day in this country to tell me this is not so. The ignorant and self-contradictory buffoonery of evangelical Christianity was erected to take the place of the ideological “fluff” of Communism and provide identity, but the only minds capable of swallowing and digesting such teachings are by necessity shallow, extroverted, egotistically narcissistic and consumed by a materialist worldview as evidenced by the appeal to sentimentality at every “spiritual” turn.

      Not even nihilist philosophy could fulfill the sought after goal – to be a nihilist, one still has to possess the capability to reflect on the meaning of meaninglessness. One still must have the knowledge of what it is to hold an ideology and think in order to reject it.

      Consumerism is the objective. A truly monstrous fusion of the absolute worst attributes of two complimentary materialistic bad dreams. A swarm of vicious, conceitedly stupid, instinctual soldier and worker ants who live from one prey carcass and mating season to the next, driven only by the overwhelming compulsion to be as intrusive and destructive as possible in the pursuit of parasitic self-sustainment.

  15. Delurking on December 1, 2014 at 7:49 am

    Great article! Of course, a “clash of civilizations” is precisely what the utterly unambiguous, psychopathic human garbage which presumes to rule us has sought to bring about all along, and why they promoted Huntington so hard in the first place. So ultimately Lavrov really is playing into their hands, even if there no longer be any other option. But given all the obvious efforts of the global human garbage in recent years to make Islam the leading bogeyman for their “clash” out of whole cloth, is Orthodox Russia then Plan B? Or was Orthodox Russia Plan A all along?

    Given that this global human garbage is now well documented as being entirely Luciferian, logically their primary target might well be the last stronghold of true Christianity on earth: the Orthodox East. The Orthodox East is the last bastion of true Christianity because the West has entirely succumbed to secularism, and what Christianity still exists in the West is now completely dominated by a blatantly heretical, highly Judaized nonsense which truly is no longer Christianity at all, but brilliantly and diabolically succeeds in enlisting so many Western “Christians” unwittingly into the ranks of the dark side in any “End Times” scenario (through its unconditional support of the State of Rothschild, heretically known as “Israel”), whether wholly manufactured or otherwise.

    Whatever the case may be, the great mass of cowards masquerading as morons (our moral guardians, i.e. the “Republican base”) in the US have completely surrendered to the human garbage which presumes to rule us, buying into the Big Lie so completely that they still dare not question the absurd fairy tale that is the official version of 9/11, not even 13 years after the fact. The great mass of cowards masquerading as morons has given the human garbage free rein over our lives and liberties (“Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law”). This country was truly over in the immediate wake of 9/11 when the great mass of cowards masquerading as morons suddenly gave their unconditional support to the unambiguous human garbage in the White House.

    But there is hope for restoration! No, the great mass of cowards masquerading as morons will not oppose human garbage from within the US, but Putin may well be opposing it from without! On the other hand, perhaps this is the same old, tired dialectic at work on us (more “theater”), but even if so, perhaps Putin will, or may have already, “gone rogue.” It really does not matter. The great mass of cowards masquerading as morons in the US steadfastly will not oppose the human garbage. A decent human being’s only hope is that Putin will. At this point, Putin and Russia really are the world’s only hope.

    Go Putin! Go Russia! Down with the global human garbage!

    Please note that I do not use the term “human garbage” lightly. Gauging from today’s television programming, it is entirely possible that the global elite may soon attempt to claim that they descend from some non-human race and, accordingly, that the rules which apply to humans do not apply to them (feigned justification for their psychopathy). Well, it is important that the rest of us call BS on that all the way. They ARE human, they behave as garbage; they are indeed human garbage, and it is important that people recognize that.

    • Delurking on December 1, 2014 at 10:38 am

      To answer the original question, I wager that a “clash” with Orthodox Russia was Plan B, not Plan A. I suspect that they really wanted to pull off a phony “End Times” scenario, probably in 2012, in order to usher in One World Government seated at Jerusalem in the State of Rothschild, but could not for some reason. Additionally, the Luciferian global elite would NEVER promote true Christianity under any circumstances. The incredible revival of Orthodox Christianity in Russia is surely a miracle operating completely contrary to their hopes and desires. So it seems that Russia may well have miraculously become a thorn in the global human garbage’s side, ultimately causing them to shift focus from the Middle East to Russia for their phony “clash.” At least, this is the best possible scenario for all decent human beings.

      Go Putin! Go Russia!

      • Joanna on December 1, 2014 at 2:31 pm

        I was born and grew up under Soviet communistic boot; I was also a penpal with a girl my age from Baku at times when cold war at its coldest… 🙂
        Ortodox religion may have been repressed but it was a part of Russian culture and their daily lives, even high party official attending church far away from their residential homes…and common people meeting in private homes if no other option was available.
        One can repress people…murder them..kill them with drones..make wheat storage out of Cerkiev…but one can not kill a belief, an ideology…
        Mr Lavrov and President Putin went way out to meet western powers…to no avail…
        btw…in Poland people are so mad with EU and US it is not funny anymore….

        • Delurking on December 1, 2014 at 2:43 pm

          Amen, Joanna! And let us NEVER forget that it was not the Russian people who brought in communism, but WALL STREET! The psychopathic human garbage of the day (with endless monetary resources), NOT THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE, was entirely responsible. This is fully documented and it is high time that the American people understood this clearly. The official brainwashing ends now!

  16. Rad on December 1, 2014 at 7:39 am

    I don’t think Mr Lavrov words can be trusted much, or seen as they are. After all he is the same person (alongside Putin) who said that Russian troops that were flooding Crimea were local people getting their guns and uniforms from local hunting material shops.
    The Christian Russia vs post-Christian West must be a joke, or a lame attempt to form a sort of new pole of position and image for Russian empire.
    I mean they tried in XIX century with pan-slavism, in XX century with communism and now with Christianity? This is laughable, there are countries in Europe with significantly larger percents of Christians in their populations compared with Russia (which is a sort of “born again Christian” after they made a mess of it in comunist times), both Orthodox (Romania and Greece for example) or other (Poland or Portugal that are Catholics).

    My view is that are two kinds of empires in history. One type is that represented mostly by Roman empire, that was tried to be copied since then. An empire with both hard and soft power, that can crush its enemies with its military power but who can attract too with its development, society, culture, rich, and so on. They build too something, where they conquer, try to rule by carrot as well, not just by stick.
    These empires leave a long lasting legacy and have a larger influence in history and in the world.
    Most of “barbarians” around Rome wanted to be like Romans, wanted to become Romans. Gosh, the first and biggest Germanic medieval kingdom was so influenced by Rome that adopted the name Holly Roman Empire (even if as was said, it was neither holly, neither Roman and neither empire), adopted the religion imposed and spread by Romans (christianity) and Latin as the cult and court language.

    USA try to emulate the Rome and use a lot similar concepts. Use a lot the soft power too, not just hard one, use the “client states” concept used by Romans too when they considered is not viable to conquer or transform someone in province. The ancient “romanization” is bring back as “globalization”, instead of gladiator spectacles they have the movie industry, and so on. EU try something similar, but is still far to be able to come close to US yet, let alone to ancient Rome

    Other type of empires are those like Assirian, or Aztec one. Empires that base themselves almost exclusevly on hard power and favourable historical circumstances, and on conquering and pillaging, and exploatation of those they conquered. THey have a short lifespan at history scale, and leave a much smaller legacy (or a negative one).

    Rusian empire belongs too to this category, being heavily influenced by Mongols and especially Tatars that ruled over them, and who were of the same type (especially Tatars, a turko-mongolic population).
    Russian empire is based on hard power and favorable historical circumstances, on conquest and pillaging (and sometime in genocide and mass deportation of parts of nations).
    Russian language in empire was imposed mostly by force, not adopted because was seen as coming from the superior culture. Its allies were mostly forced to become allies (under strict Russian or Soviet control, most of them).

    Russia lack soft power, the Christian Russia is a sort of laughable attempt to create some support in this regard but few will bow to that. It won’t have much of support not even among Orthodox countries (maybe with couple exceptions), most of them being orthodox before Russia anyway, being in conflict with Russia, or having different cultures.

    How I see the things, Russia try to refresh its empire and recreate a sphere of influence, but is more and more lacking the means and posibilities. Its not about religion, good vs evil or social constructs. Its about power, the thing that every empire look after and they can hide about all sort of concepts to reach that, but that is what they search for.
    And in this empires fight Russia is more and more the weak side. Every empire rise and then fall from history, thats the law, no empire live forever. Well, we can talk about Roman legacy, or the interesting and unusual exception, China, but thats another discussion

    • Rad on December 1, 2014 at 7:42 am

      As a side not, I for one don’t like much any empire, of any type

      • Guygrr on December 1, 2014 at 10:49 am

        Rad maybe I’m overstepping here but I’ve never really seen any posts or comments that you’ve made on this site in the past. Are you a new member to the site? I respect your viewpoint, you make some valid points. Maybe I’m being paranoid, but I can’t help but wonder if you’re here to spread disinformation and sway the conversation. We all know that disinformation is a hallmark of the intel culture and that they routinely place people on sites like this one to orchestrate and steer the conversation in other directions. I apologize if I’m wrongly accusing, but I tend to trust my instincts and right now the bells and whistles are going off. I’d just like to remind the community on this site that this type of thing does happen often all over the net and that given the obvious ramping up the geopolitical conflict that this is something we all need to remain wary of.

        That being said it’s too easy to say that the intel culture has never acted for the good of the whole. The intelligence establishment is extremely factionalized. There are good people, bad people, deluded and confused people that are a part of that establishment.

        Dr. Farrell after reading Lavrov’s speech in its entirety I was looking forward to a higher octane speculation than is present in your commentary. I was surprised that you neglected to mention Lavrov’s comment about “little green men”. I saw his remark and my jaw literally dropped. In addition there was his comment pertaining to how many EU powers behind closed doors are upset with their neighbors “across the pond”. Might that comment signal that representatives in Great Britain are also fed up with Washington (haha fed up, get it)? Might they be the next country to join the we want our gold back party?

        I think we should all keep an eye on possible “natural” disasters that may start cropping up in Russia and allied countries. This is also a favored part of their playbook and I’m quite surprised we haven’t seen any yet. This could either mean that these countries have a way to shield themselves from that type of attack or that Washington is more afraid than we are led to believe. Dr. Farrell I think this speech is significant enough to warrant a part 2 somewhere on the site.

        • Rad on December 1, 2014 at 11:39 am


          Gosh, hehe, I am surely not any “intel” person coming to spread disinformation or sway a topic here (you can tell me what disinformation you think I want to spread?).
          I joined quite a while ago, don’t remember exactly, maybe 2 years or so.
          I just don’t post regulary (neither English is my native language), mostly read Dr Farrell articles and what people post here, many things are really interesting.

          I understand that sometime my opinions may not go well with others, or others with mine, and I for one usually enjoy this as can bring to light different perspectives or even new informations about some things.
          I can assure you I am not some intel guy or something, that want to stir some things away from normal path. Is just that people can have sometime different opinions about same thing and I understand yours may be different then mine and I respect that as well

    • DaphneO on December 1, 2014 at 6:06 pm

      You said:

      “I don’t think Mr Lavrov words can be trusted much, or seen as they are.”

      But of course we trust completely the words and actions of those who “hate” Russia?

      • Rad on December 2, 2014 at 12:57 am


        I am not saying you or someone else should completely trust anyone, or to not think critically to anything that such politic people (from any side) say. Quite contrary, you should try think by yourself after learn from as many as possible sources and use your own experiences and feelings.

        But I have different experiences with Russia for example. I am from Romania (and I am Orthodox Christian, as most people here), but I spend my childhood up to teenager years under communist regime here, until it ended (in a bloody way) 25 years ago. That communism was already getting rid of Russian influence since the middle 60’s and was more of a national-communism but nevertheless the communism was brought here by Russian empire (renamed USSR, and I am not blaming common Russians for anything, far from me, but their elite and the empire they rule). And some of the things they did (soviets and their pawns from here especially) in the 50’s to impose the communism here are beyond some people imagination.

        That wasn’t even the first clash betwen us and Russia, things go back to XIX century, and you’ll find similar stories all over eastern Europe. Not good experiences. I know history from different sources then what some Russian politician (or American or whatever) say to public, and some things I know even from direct experience.

        No offence but some people there seem to suffer of some delusions or are quite naive. This is not good vs evil, this is about two (or more) mafia like gangs (just on higher level, rulling over states and more) fighting for power. Empires fighting to keep power and influence, all disguised under blankets as “democracy” or “communism” or “globalization” or now (laughable if you ask me) “christianity”.

        If someone really believe that most of Russian elite suddenly become devout Christians and want to fight against enemy of Christianity for the world peace is delusional if you ask me. Or is wishful thinking from their part, like day dreaming of how world should be.

        Thats just a new picked up banner (not even a new one, it was used by many through history since the apparition of Christianity) they use to coagulate people and keep their power.
        Yes, western elites want to get a grasp on Russia, to take their resources (as Chinese will want to take too, and some teritories as well) and to ged rid of a rival. Russia (by this I mean Russian elites) want exactly the same, to get rid of rivals, to dominate and control others and to keep in power.
        Its the game empires play all over history and is not a good vs evil battle, for God sake, its just a battle for power betwen two gangs.
        And depend who you ask or what you know in reality, some are worse then others (and I don’t think Russian gang is that good).
        In my opinion these elites (from any camp) aren’t even the supreme leaders, but I won’t go now in occult or science fiction conspiracies and such.
        I must be too cynical maybe but thats my opinion (even if understand some don’t like it).

        • DaphneO on December 2, 2014 at 1:07 am

          Thanks for the response Rad.
          I have a shelf full of books on Russia, both pre and during the revolution, and even a couple after.

          Like you, I am trying to understand the full context of what Lavrov says.

          I see the west as a dying civilisation, and the death throes are pretty nasty for a lot of humans living on this planet.

          My hope is that Russia will be strong enough to defend itself and its culture. We don’t need the unipolar world the west has been creating.

          I do not want Russia, or China for that matter, to become the next unipolar empire.

          A multipolar world would be the ideal.

          • Rad on December 3, 2014 at 12:48 am

            You’re welcome Daphne

            And I agree with you, I don’t want either an unipolar world. If will be possible I will like not even a multipolar one, with various power centers and their influence spheres, I will like one where every country or nation have as much freedom as they wish and don’t affect others. But I realize thats not quite possible for now.

            And I know neither West is the “good guy” but is same imperialist power. USe IMF to subdue or almost kill smaller countries economies if they see fit, and bring “freedom” and “democracy” in exchange of resources and strategic control in countries where those didnt asked for and many have arguably better or even much better lives before. Like the mess in Lybia or even in Iraq, at least partially because some people there were sufering, like Kurds for example(but obviously western intervention had other primary purposes, oil and strategic control or so).

            However I am a little baffled by some over there putting Russia on a pedestal and considering her some force of good. I understand most of people there have no direct knowledge or know little about history of these parts of Europe, so its understandable in a way.
            But Russian empire did same things as US or western powers. Invading Afghanistan, mass murder in Chechnia, invading little Georgia, occupy parts of little Moldova, taking parts of Ukraine and humiliate that country, trying to keep by force or threats its neighbour under control and so on. And I talk here just about late history, couple decades, I dont go further with way more criminal actions. And Putin trying to make that Ribentrop-Molotov pact as looking good didnt helped at all.

            Russia will do the same as west if they will can, or even worse if we look at the near past.
            And as comparation, just look at how many Russians decided to emigrate in west. As dying as west is, I think actually is more like transforming itself, along same pre-Christian ancient Roman way, sort of a modern reversing back to that time (I don’t know how good or bad this actually is).

            And see how many westerners chose to emigrate in Russia as comparision, and wonder why

    • Delurking on December 3, 2014 at 12:48 am

      “I don’t think Mr Lavrov words can be trusted much, or seen as they are. After all he is the same person (alongside Putin) who said that Russian troops that were flooding Crimea were local people getting their guns and uniforms from local hunting material shops.”

      Well, so what? The Crimea had been a part of Russia for centuries until Khrushchev strangely reassigned it to the Ukraine about 50 years ago. Even so, the population remains overwhelmingly Russian and Russian speaking today. There surely was no important reason to turn it over to the Ukraine in the first place, so I should certainly hope that the Russians would take care of their kinsmen in that traditionally and overwhelmingly Russian region by whatever means necessary, particularly when the residents of the region made their desires clear.

      And by the way, that is about the lamest excuse anybody could come up with for opposing Putin. In fact, the only reason somebody would come up with that excuse is if he had already decided to oppose Putin no matter what.

      “Other type of empires are those like Assirian, or Aztec one. Empires that base themselves almost exclusevly on hard power and favourable historical circumstances, and on conquering and pillaging, and exploatation of those they conquered. THey have a short lifespan at history scale, and leave a much smaller legacy (or a negative one).”

      Which is exactly the type of empire the US became 13 years ago in the immediate wake of 9/11, thanks to the utterly unambiguous, psychopathic human garbage that then occupied the White House. It is strange as hell that you would still regard the US as the other “softer” kind of empire, the kind it was in the 20th century, when the rest of the world clearly recognizes the fundamental change in US demeanor since 9/11 with the American human garbage in the form of the Bush Crime Family having finally come fully out of the closet.

      “Rusian empire belongs too to this category, being heavily influenced by Mongols and especially Tatars that ruled over them, and who were of the same type (especially Tatars, a turko-mongolic population).”

      Whatever Russia may have been in the past, particularly during the Soviet occupation, which was fully imposed on the Russian people by the psychopathic human garbage on Wall Street and not a natural Russian development, Putin’s Russia is not that now. Again and again, on issue after issue, Putin has achieved the moral high ground vis-a-vis the out-of-the-closet human garbage that has represented the US for the past 13 years. Putin’s Russia clearly is now the first type, the “softer” empire. So it is again strange that you refuse to recognize what most of the rest of the world finds obvious.

      “How I see the things, Russia try to refresh its empire and recreate a sphere of influence, but is more and more lacking the means and posibilities. Its not about religion, good vs evil or social constructs. Its about power,”

      It’s about not bowing to US arrogance and power, not surrendering to a unipolar New World Order, and that is indeed about good vs. evil! God help them, and may they live to help us to remove the psychopathic human garbage which presumes to rule us! Go Putin! Go Russia!

      BTW, if you have not already applied to be a disinfo agent on somebody’s payroll, you really need to.

      • Rad on December 3, 2014 at 8:09 am

        “BTW, if you have not already applied to be a disinfo agent on somebody’s payroll, you really need to.”

        Really, hehe? Where I can apply, sound like fun and can use some money too?

        However, you do realize that in reverse you can be accused just as easily that you’re an agent of Kremlin, posting its propaganda, as it was said that are many such posters all over the internet?

        Even this type of thinking is right from their line, “those who are not with us are against us”, “those who don’t follow the party (you can put Putin instead these days) line are the enemy of the people” and so on.

        You do understand that people may think different or have different experiences about some things? And that this must be a normal right to express?

        A bit more serious now, I never denied the bad things done by “the west” (lead usually by USA since the end of WW 2). I even pointed out some of them.
        What I am saying is that Russia is another face of the same coin. Is not “the good guy”, is just another empire trying to keep its power and position, and not to fight for the world peace and prosperity. And it did worse things during its history (late history).
        Its propaganda may atract some people around the world (mostly those who didnt experienced any direct contact with Russian empire) but some think different about how reality is.

        For me, both sides are bad, but due to late history, Russian empire seem to be the worse one. This is how eastern Europe think anyway.

        I don’t blame the common people from anywhere, neither from Russia. Its mostly their elite, as everywhere else. I surely dont like Bush either, nor agree with what happened in Lybia.
        But I try to be as cool headed and as much as neutral possible to see the larger picture. Especially I am not part of any of the core sides and thats why maybe I can see things a bit more objectively.

        If it had the power, the Russian empire will do the same as western elites, if not worse. Its just that now it seem it slip toward is dusk of history. As far as I think, I really don’t care these empires kill eachoter or one eat the other (as history law said), I wish however the ordinary people to not suffer too much because of this.

        And if people want to change something is better to do it by themselves, in their country, waiting for a fantesy white knight Putin coming to save the world will be just a huge dissapointment. Not just because he can’t, objectively, but the guy (supposedly a multi billionaire) and his gang just look for power like everyone else, to think he want freedoom of the people is delusional. In his quest for power and survival he may serve as a temporary counterbalance to the other camps, but is just that, and not a real answer to a problem.

        Frankly, I don’t even think these elites (western or east/Russian or Asian) are the real masters. There is others behind the curtain who pull the strings and we watch just a stage play to keep people in good order, a bit afraid and well aligned behind some social norms and types of cultures and limit of views. But thats another discussion.

        You seem to be however focused (in a blind way, no ofence) just in one direction.

        I start to feel bad I kinda stired such debate that rise some fanatic response from some, hope that wont be any disturbance for the site.

        • Delurking on December 3, 2014 at 9:30 am

          “However, you do realize that in reverse you can be accused just as easily that you’re an agent of Kremlin, posting its propaganda, as it was said that are many such posters all over the internet?”

          Yes, of course, anybody can be. The primary test is whether the individual’s views are in synch with the site he frequents. If they are not, then why would he frequent the site in the first place? He wouldn’t, unless paid to do so.

          You write too well to be as dumb and naive as you come across (no, it is not simple disagreement), so I would tend toward the view that you are probably up to no good here (and of course you would not admit it if you were). Heck, it is so transparently obvious that the US deliberately destabilized Ukraine and then proceeded to lie continuously and outrageously in order to cast Putin and Russia in as bad a light as possible in an obvious effort to provoke WWIII where no piddly disagreement even need exist. Yet you cannot even acknowledge an obvious instance where Putin and Russia are in the absolute right, being despicably wronged by psychopathic human garbage in the US intent on fighting a WWIII (a war of annihilation) against a country who, by all rights, should have become our ally post-1991 and the fall of the Soviet Union, absent the money-grubbing, psychopathic human garbage that presumes to rule us.

          “And if people want to change something is better to do it by themselves, in their country, waiting for a fantesy white knight Putin coming to save the world will be just a huge dissapointment.”

          And the point, which has been repeated numerous times already, is that the moral guardians of the US, those who would appear to be the defenders of American traditions, revealed themselves to be a great mass of cowards masquerading as morons in the immediate wake of 9/11 when they consciously and deliberately pretended to buy into the pathetically obvious Big Lie by giving their unconditional support to the unambiguous human garbage which then occupied the White House, creating an ever stronger police state on a daily basis by boldly, defiantly, proudly, and openly destroying what little was left of the US Constitution, while ginning up one phony war after another (our blood and our treasure for nothing, as always). So for those of us with spines, who actually give a damn and will not cooperate with psychopathic human garbage, it is now clear that we will never receive the necessary assistance of our self-appointed moral guardians. The psychopathic human garbage which presumes to rule this country will NOT be removed from within. That psychopathic human garbage can only be removed from without. Hence the importance of Putin for any decent human being with half a brain and an intact spine. Go Putin! Go Russia! Take out this psychopathic human garbage for all of us!

          Yes, Putin may ultimately prove to be yet another in a long line of tools of the psychopathic human garbage which presumes to rule the world, but that would be a surprise at this point given his strong promotion of Orthodox Christianity, and, for example, his return to laws reflecting normal (not propagandized) people’s views regarding homosexuality and abortion. You scoff at and belittle these things, yet it is no secret that the Luciferian human garbage which presumes to rule us despises Christianity and has worked for generations to undermine normal people’s views on such things as homosexuality and abortion (all part of the Luciferian program). Either you are stupid and naive or you are up to no good here. There is no third alternative.

          • Rad on December 3, 2014 at 11:52 am

            Gosh hehe, this is kinda hilarious (thats why I can’t stop to not answer), and I appologize if I flamed up too much this discussion or I offended someone. And this will be the last one on this article.

            Mr. Delurking, I am member here since quite a while (couple years maybe, dont even remember exactly). I came because I find Dr Farrell books and articles very interesting and open minded in ways usually less seen in other places. I posted few messages before too, and if I would have been some disinfo agent (gee hehe) I would have probably posted way more over this time, not just couple posts once in a while, or just reading articles.

            I agree with many things and I disagree with some things posted or said, I never thought that someone here need to adhere strictly to some concepts, like in some fanatic sect.
            Regarding this particular subject, I never said “west” is white and Russia is black. I just pointed out that both sides have their sins (and good parts as well), and Russia have too skeletons in their closet. And the fact mr Putin tried to whitewash some of them (like the Molotov-Ribentrop pact) is not an encouraging sign.

            If you want to believe that Mr Putin is the savior on a white horse, that will defeat the bad guys and bring world peace, freedom and prosperity, and that make you feel good, then do it.

            Allow me however to doubt these, first that he really care about ordinary citizens from foreign countries suffering under a police state (not to mention Russia is too along the same lines even if not as bad as in Stalin times). And second that he really can change that, if absurdly speaking he care about that and really want to help common people around the world.

            And this is not some anti or pro opinion, just a realistic question, do you really think that Russia can defeat (military and/or economically) USA and NATO and change their societies? As I said, I may be too cynical, but if you think that you are a bit delusional, no ofence.

            I understand that USA take a wrong turn especially after 9/11, regarding people liberties. But my opinion from here is that you should do something there, by yourselves, because nobody can or care to help you on this.

            Quite contrary, if you change something there, for good, that may help others around the world too because of how the world is interconnected.

            If you do nothing, waiting for Putin to come and save you, you’ll get nothing. Is hardly probably Putin ever care about you, or that he actually is able to really do such thing.

            Is no point to comment about what ones or others did or what rights have and so on, is clear you have only one thing in mind and can’t see anything else.
            I am too a Christian Orthodox that don’t agree with abortions and don’t like homosexuality. In the same time I am cool headed (or cynical) enough to not fall for some propaganda of an empire that say the same and in the same time have no problems to occupy its neighbours, threaten with nukes or mass murder and deport millions of peoples some decades ago, just to paint themselves now as good Christians fighting for freedom and trying to withewash some of their nasty stuff done not long ago.

            And again, this doesnt mean that US or western elites didnt do bad things of similar type, thats why I said thats not a story of good vs evil when you look at this, neither a good Russia vs evil west (or US).

            As for me, I think is better to end here the talk on this article, everyone is free to think whatever he or she wish and I really didnt intended to trick someone in some way. Internet is still free in big part, and everyone can find various sources about the subject, to make his or her own idea

  17. Aridzonan_13 on December 1, 2014 at 5:49 am

    The first sign of a dictatorship is the confiscation of a nation’s firearms. Putin just let his populace, open carry rifles anywhere.

    Where in the West, the fight to keep and bare arms is a daily struggle. It appears Putin is getting his populace ready for a potential invasion. Why else arm everyone?

    This was a master political stroke. Where even the most Anti-Commie Right Winger has to keep his mouth shut on Vlad’s 2nd Amendment actions. Putin is also for secure borders. The PTB better watch out. He’s acting more like Ronnie Raygun than Joe Stalin.

    However, never forget, he is still a KGB alumni.. The world’s Intel Culture has, in my opinion, never acted for the good of the whole. They have been an MVP in Mr. Global’s fight for total control. Remember, the CIA and KGB took out JFK and Kruschev

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