User Answers

YOU TELL US: MYSTERIOUS WEAPONS CACHE FOUND IN PACIFIC PALISADES, ...

This very unusual story was spotted by many of you who promptly sent me the link. In fact, so many did - including, I might add, Catherine Austin Fitts - that emails with the link arrived in "clumps". At first, when I saw the subject header, I simply moved the emails into my "sorting folders" that I use for scheduling blogs, but when the clumps started appearing, I decided to open the link and read the story.  I was dumbfounded, and saw clearly why the story captured everyone's attention, for it raises more questions (most of them disturbing), than answers:

Mystery Deepens Over Weapons Cache in Pacific Palisades

There's so much weirdness here that one doesn't really know where to begin or what to focus on, but these paragraphs were what caught my attention:

The mystery surrounding the death of a man whose decomposing body was found in an SUV near his Pacific Palisades home continued to grow today, while police worked to trace the roughly 1,200 firearms found in his residence along with six tons of ammunition and thousands of dollars in cash.

And then this:

The attorney, well-known local defense lawyer Harland Braun, told the paper the man died in the parking lot of Bristol Farms on Wilshire Boulevard in Santa Monica on July 4. His fiancee -- who believed Lash worked with a secret government agency -- drove the body back to Pacific Palisades, left the body there and fled to Oregon, believing his government handlers would collect his remains, Braun said.

The fiancee, Catherine Nebron, had apparently been with Lash for 17 years and was convinced he worked as some type of undercover government operative, according to Braun, who said the man had cancer.

And finally, this:

Two days after Lash’s death, a woman who worked for Nebron -- 39-year- old Dawn VadBunker -- was reported missing from Oxnard. VadBunker’s mother, Laura VadBunker, told KTLA by telephone that Lash had convinced her daughter and Nebron that he was some type of alien or human/alien hybrid “sent to Earth to protect us.”

Dawn VadBunker had apparently been with Lash and Nebron when the man died in Santa Monica, and she fled to Oregon with Nebron after his death, VadBunker’s mother said. She said her daughter is caught in the middle of the investigation and may be having a mental breakdown.

Add to all that the fact that police are apparently denying that there's any connection to the government. So what do we have?

  1. A large cash of guns and ammunition in an unlikely place;
  2. The man - tentatively identified as Jeffrey Alan Lash - died in a retail store parking lot;
  3. The man was moved from his place of death apparently by his fiance, who was convinced he worked for the government. She then fled to Oregon;
  4. Additionally, his fiance was also apparently convinced by the man himself that he was a human/alien hybrid on a mission to Earth to "protect us";
  5. The fiance is apprently "having a mental breakdown" and is a focus of the investigation.

Now, while all my instincts say that the fiance is the focus of the investigation because law enforcement may suspect she had something to do with Lash's death - in other words, at first flance there appears to be a suspicion of murder or foul play - there's a lot that does not make sense, not the least of which are why the fiance would suspect government involvement, and why Lash would have accumulated enough weapons to outfit a battalion.  Indeed, that accumulation suggests that his "protection mission" may have been the delusions of someone with too much cable tv swirling in his head, or, it could be that he was actually some sort of covert operative. That would mean that he is unlikely to be connected directly to any government directly, but rather, to a professional "case officer" in an intelligence or military agency, and possibly one not even our own. This raises, in its turn, yet another bizarre "high octane speculative" possibility, namely, that there may be several more such caches of weapons and ammunition, scattered all over.

All these possibilities raises others, not the least of which is that this may somehow be connected to the strikes against internet cables in the San Francisco Bay area, or even to the mysterious attack on a silicon valley electrical substation a couple of years ago. You'll recall that in that incident, the substation was attacked by heavily armed professionals who knew exactly how to take out the equipment, and who were in and out before local law enforcement could respond. Similarly, the attacks on internet connections in the Bay area have also been accompanied by signatures that they were professionally done.

There are, of course, all sorts of possibilities. The bottom line for me is that my intuition tells me that this is not an isolated phenomenon, and that there's a real mystery here, one exceeding simple foul play or possible murder. My intuition also tells me that this may be part of some covert operation, and not even necessarily an American one.

But there are so many possibilities, that this has to be filed under the "You tell us" category.

See you on the flip side...

28 thoughts on “ YOU TELL US: MYSTERIOUS WEAPONS CACHE FOUND IN PACIFIC PALISADES, ...”

  1. For those who are following this strange story, here’s the latest update I can find. It’s from the Palisadian-Post dated August 7th.

    Unfortunately, there is no new news from the Police authorities. But, there’s an interview with a nearby resident on the Palisades Drive where Jeffrey Alan Lash and his fiance, Catherine Nebon, lived. The neighbor preferred to be anonymous and reports more mysterious goings-on and behavior of Lash and Nebron for the last 15 years. Among the new info is the tidbit that Ms. Nebron’s father was a L. A. Superior Court Judge who died in 2012.

    Plus, adding to the increasingly baffling story, there now is a cryptic blond woman who drove to the Lash/Nebron house every night and dropped off large green bags, then speed off. It’s sounding more like something out of an old dime suspense novel.

    Here’s the whole report, it’s the second news item down:

    http://www.palipost.com/category/palisades-news-extra/

  2. This story at first looked over blown in speculation but the more I read about it the more it looks like a drug dealer that got found out by his competition. The stash of guns is bartering gold used especially in drug deals south of the border. That this guy was an alien ,perhaps an illegal one , could have been a line he gave to his dopey girl friend that he kept on drugs and could have convinced her he was King Faruk if he wanted to. This also explains the armoured vehicles and explosives,all used to insure the safety of the product shipment. Here in europe drug smugglers use such equipment and when confronted by police usually shoot their way out of it,easily over powering the local peace officers.

  3. Just a thought here. He must have had something to convince both the fiance and the employee that he was a hybrid. Perhaps he was an early-generation (17-years ago, what generation would that have been) “enhanced super-soldier.” I DO believe the government has been working for a very long time to upgrade human capacities of strength, speed, intuition and who knows what else.

    I agree, the story is weird. Looking forward to seeing how they choose to explain it as time goes on.

    1. Ramura, this is exactly what the post below at websleuths.com goes into in depth. (Posted here at 2:03 PM on July 27.

      1. Yes. Thanks. For some reason, my “screen” had not resolved all the comments when I made my post. After it went up, I saw your comments. But we are all on the same page here…

  4. Here is a very thought provoking post about Jeffrey Lash’s father from websleuths.com

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?285967-CA-L-A-Police-Discover-1200-Guns-in-Dead-Man-s-Home-July-2015/page12

    Scroll down to the post from July 27 at 4:04 AM by Angel Ufology.
    If one looks at this as humanly manipulated transhumanism instead of alien hybridization there could be some deep clues that would certainly make sense. The post is certainly deeper than most lamestream media stories.

  5. There’s another update to this story, this time again from the Palisadian Post. Evidently, this Jeffrey Lash has a second residence, a two bedroom, two bath. apartment in the Sunset Mesa area, a part of Pacific Palisades, renting for $3,700 a month. It was under a female roommate’s name “Jocelyn.” They didn’t seem to be romantically involved, as he’d bring around his fiance, Catherine Nebron on occasion.

    Lash also had a new vehicle, a truck, with no license plate. He was never known to have been pulled over for this violation. Around the apartment he went by the name of “Bob,” and “Skinny Bob” went he lost lots of weight do to his illness. He mentioned CIA involvement to neighbors. The question of where he got his money comes up again.

    There’s more. Here’s the full Palisadian Post latest story:

    http://www.palipost.com/category/palisades-news-extra/

    1. I meant to say, that Lash had a new truck everything month, each with no license plate.

      Still no answer publicly yet as to how he could afford all of this!

      1. Well, you could probably fake those temp tags for a month or two anyway. No need to actually get a new (armored) car so frequently. On the surface, this might scream “drug dealer”, but the lack of “shady associates”, no drugs found, etc makes it less so. I don’t think a known dealer would be so predictable as to eat in the same restaurant every single day, thought the rather paleo raw filet mignon adds a cachet of fierceness. Nor would he likely have a written catalog of his weapons to hand to his attorney.
        As for these women believing him to be “alien”, maybe a dose of scopalamine gave them a more suggestible state of mind. I would also hope that any alien would be prepared enough to bring a *real* stash of off-world technology to any “mission” he was on. For now, I’ll stick with some rather terrestrial lunacy…

        1. MQ, you’re right about the temp tags, though they weren’t mentioned in the original news story. They could have been overlooked by the neighbors.

          It’s been several days now and no new news on this mystery. Surely, this Jeffrey Lash would have had a bank account and the Police would have gotten a warrant to look into it by this time. That will answer a lot of questions as to where his money was coming from. Of course, it could have come in from “dummy companies” and the Police are still tracing those down.

          Yankee Phil speculates that Lash was a drug and underground gun dealer. But, the original news story said there were no signs of drug or gun dealing. Also, you correctly point out that his actions of eating at the same restaurant regularly for years and keeping an inventory of his guns for his lawyer are not the actions of a dealer.

          Catherine Nebron, his fiance, must know more than she’s telling publicly. I’m sure her attorney, well known defense lawyer Harland Braun, has a much fuller story from her than he’s letting out. I’m surprised some enterprising journaliost hasn’t been quizzing him for more info and reporting the results.

          As for scopalamine, I’ve done some recent research on the web about it and it’s greatly over hyped as a mind control substance.

          How Lash got Nebron and her female assistant to go along with the “alien hybrid” story and where he got all that money remain two of the central mysteries of this case.

        2. Robert Barricklow

          Good points.
          I liked your reference to her possible use of psychotropic drugs & the fact that the alleged alien shouldn’t have been that dumbed-down.

  6. I tried to grab the surprising comments from this Facebook posting.
    From the FaceBook page for the Palisades News
    posted by:
    Palisades News
    July 21 at 12:48pm · Edited ·
    Here are more Palisades Highlands accounts of the couple involved in the weapons cache that didn’t make it into the print story:
    Ann Chappel…told the Palisades News that…one policeman had told her that the Gorin townhouse was booby trapped, with guns pointing towards the door.
    Initially the residents were told they could go back at 8:30 p.m., but then the LAPD bomb unit found bomb-making chemicals, with some too unstable to transport.
    “They had to denonate it,” Chappel said. “We heard the explosion around 10:15 Saturday night and asked, ‘What was that?’”
    One policeman told Chappel that the cache in the townhouse was “not an arsenal, it was much bigger than that.” Some of the residents were told the stuff stored there could’ve taken out the entire hill.
    Francesco Schiff, staff member of Casa Nostra restaurant, located just down the hill on Palisades Drive, knew the couple associated with the townhouse because they had eaten most of their meals at the restaurant for the past seven years.
    “They always came in two separate cars. Neither had license plates, but no one ever stopped them,” Schiff said. “He always paid cash, always had raw filet mignon. They never ate with friends.”
    One waiter said that the man, who claimed to be with the CIA, would sometimes not allow the woman to eat. If anyone was taking a photograph near them, the man would be upset.
    “He was driving a $100,000 car [with bulletproof windows],” Schiff said. “I always wondered where his money came from. I hadn’t seen them for the last six months; I wondered what happened to them.”
    (Fact or disinfo? You decide).

    1. Some pluckings from the July 23rd thegaurdian.com article “Man found dead in car with 1,200 weapons at home thought he was a spy,” by Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles.

      (Many of these comments reinforce the quotes from the July 21 post on the Palisades News Facebook page that I posted here at 7:52 AM on July 27).

      “Some chemicals were too unstable to transport, so the police blew them up.”

      “Nebron-Gorin later told a friend she had specific instructions from Lash on what to do if he died. Don’t call the authorities. Leave him in a car. Get out of town, and let his minders take care of the body. So she did that.”

      The third person in the car at the passing of Jeffrey Alan Lash:
      “On 3 July, the couple and a friend were shopping at a supermarket in Santa Monica, a few miles away from the house, when Lash became unwell and died in the outdoor parking lot…The friend, a doctor who did not want to be named, told the Palisadian Post newspaper he spent 90 minutes trying to revive Lash in the passenger seat of an SUV outside his house on the night he died as Nebron-Gorin was “wailing and grieving”.”

      “One employee of the Casa Nostra restaurant said Lash and Nebron-Gorin had eaten most of their meals there for the past seven years. Invariably, Lash would order raw filet mignon.”

      The Guardian’s spin is that they don’t know where Jeffrey Alan Lash got his money, but obviously he was delusional (though obviously not so delusional as to be unable to acquire a couple or so million dollars worth of toys).

      Regarding Lash’s high-powered lawyer who is now the representing the bereaved fiancée, I also saw a quote somewhere that Vincent Bugliosi said that if Attorney Braun had represented Charles Manson he would have gone free.

  7. This reminds me of the Cuban Exile army that the CIA raised in the early 60’s for the purpose of invading Cuba and throwing Castro out. They had arms caches and training camps all along the gulf coast in preparation for the big day.

    So the question is, if someone is arming and training a private army, what country is the target?

  8. johnycomelately

    Prior to the civil war in the ex Yugoslavia large arms dumps were secretly prepared with the help of foreign powers unbeknownst to most civilians. When the call to arms came there was a ready supply of weapons and ammunition.

    Realistically no foreign power would have the logistic capabilities to infiltrate the US and hoard weapons, munitions, equipment and cash dumps without causing suspicion from security agencies (apart from maybe Israel). Even if locally purchased.

    Also there is no identifiable enemy and lines of demarcation towards which these weapons would likely to be used.

    Seems like a power elite ‘contrived’ civil conflict is being prepared.

    The recent riots, mass shootings, biker shootout and Jade Helm are precursors to this scenario. All that is needed is for a clandestine group to incite the violence and allow for the genuine authorities to take over, orange revolution US style.

  9. More to this story just came out via KTLA TV station in Los Angeles. There’s a photo of this Nash fellow from 1998 and it gets even more mysterious. Mostly about the money angle. The guns are valued at $5 million dollars and $230,000 in cash was found in the home. He grew up in a modest neighborhood from middleclass parents. No great wealth in the family and no visible means of support has been found so far to account for this money or his ability to purchase a home in the upscale area of the Pacific Palisades.

    Plus, to quote: “Several storage units remained to be searched, Braun(Fiance’s attorney) said. He had heard that there were at least four heavily modified Toyota SUVs ready for combat and able to operate in various types of terrain, including in the desert and even underwater.”

    There more. Here’s the link to AOL that carried the developing story:

    http://www.aol.com/article/2015/07/24/mystery-of-weapon-cache-found-in-dead-mans-home-deepens/21213834/

    1. Thanks for posting this. Lash’s small fleet of “Batmobiles” is very interesting. Outfitting vehicles to survive small arms fire is definitely not cheap. He also had a housekeeper, girlfriend and an attorney to go along with his rather extensive gun, cash, vehicle and ammo collections.

      Therefore, unless he was a closet lottery winner or was a charter member of the “A” Team. The big question is, what did he do for a living?

  10. I ignored this story at first, as the anti-gun powers tend to have stories like this get front-page treatment as part of their disarmament plans.

    Since the “firearms” in the picture look like antiques and/or surplus (they are definitely NOT current military issue), he may have been collecting or selling. There are many collectors who would have hundreds of guns, and probably not a few who have thousands. There are certain models of foreign military surplus (like Mosin-nagant) that can be had for less than $100, yet can be turned into nice hunting and sporting rifles.

    These are, however, bolt-action rifles, and would not be very effective against modern semi-auto guns. (Just ask the Germans how their very good Mausers faired up against the M1 – that was one reason we defeated the German army on the battlefield – superior firepower.)

    Bear in mind also that “firearm” could mean anything from an antique derringer to a full-on machine gun. Maybe he was just a gun collector, black market vendor, or even thief.

    Also, I wouldn’t be too impressed by the “six tons of ammunition.” (They had occasion to weigh it? The choice of weight over box count or counting number of rounds is odd to begin with.) Ammo is heavy, especially older ammo for older guns.

    The rest of the story, however, does make one wonder. How did he earn a living? Seventeen years of delusion with no clues or falling apart of his story?

    Something strange is certainly going on. Maybe Jade Helm is not just an exercise – maybe there is something happening that the powers-that-be need to have trained operators in place to deal with.

    Certainly bears further study. My guess is that they will try to spin this either into an anti-gun rant, or claim he was some nut case with an inheritance or other such source of money. Maybe they will try to link him with some mysterious “militia” group. In any case, the official story will not be the truth.

    1. Robert Barricklow

      They are certainly after the guns and Big Time!
      The ATF and FBI and VA to unarm veterans and senior citizens on social security.
      Everywhere you turn it’s global warming; citizens – NO guns.
      No country can preserve its political liberties unless rulers know that their people preserve the spirit of resistance and w/it; ready access to gunpowder. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time w/the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is its natural manure.

    2. You should browse around for pictures of recoveries. as some people speculated on some other sites the common pics shown don’t really show any guns of value they are all very common and cheap. But there are a few harder to find photos that show some pretty serious weaponry that is not something you can just go out buy.

      As far as the weight of ammunition they definitely would not have weighed it. They would have done a quick search through a few boxes and once they thought the rest were the same like these (or even opened them all up to make sure first) then each bullet has a weight (or if in retail cases still weight is on box) x estimated number of bullets or boxes (measure of all unique dimensioned container divided by the dimensions of either a bullet or a box) = answer justified as saying, “estimated x amount” on news.

      As for weight instead of a measurement that is used in using firearms. Because those are whats used in firearms… saying he had a billion bullets wouldn’t mean anything to most people compared to “6 tons of ammunition” is an attention grabber to almost everyone.

      As far as theories in overall case I literally just saw this somewhere like 20 minutes ago so I’m not in on all the details that have come out. That in mind however I have almost no doubt that there was some connection, however close or not it was, with some government or government agency somewhere (though I find dubious at best in post 9/11 America for someone with what had to have decently strong links with them to manage to make onto American soil and live without them have a file a foot thick on whoever that person was.

      Things I thought were particularly interesting/relevant (that I haven’t seen here, though I did skim through comments so I apologize if I’m mistaken)
      1) There is a astounding lack of apparent documents by government with his identity on them. Other than finding another forum where they supposedly found a late 2000s hospital record of him every place else either didn’t mention documents or said there was nothing according to government, not even documents that everyone has proving we exist. Now in this day age it is impossible to have not had at least some of a part of life that involves any electronic device that hasn’t been “accidentally” or intentionally swooped up at some point and stored. So if there isn’t anything there was someone or some people who had to remove documents from those records for whatever reason. No one is aware of him having ever fired any of the weapons even once.

      People theorized drug/arms smuggling. Once again there is no way for someone to do either of those things at the scale it would imply he would have been out without winding up on radar of at least 2 or 3 U.S. law enforcement or intelligence services. It just isn’t possible to do mainly because our agencies have been shown to work with every major trafficker across the globe since WWII usually through the CIA. While documents obviously aren’t declassified yet from recent years in bulk we do know that they protected and help move the Afghanistan Heroin and Opium production back in the 80s and while it isn’t “known” about since the recent invasion what is known is that
      1) U.S. military units were guarding the Poppy farmers fields to protect them from destruction
      2) We were funneling millions to the president’s brother from the CIA who ended up being a pretty major player in the drug trade.
      3) Despite $7.6 billion or so directed specifically to combat the spread of drugs Afghanistan has gone from the 800 hectares the Taliban had managed to reduce the land used for drug production to by 2001 to an estimated 224,000 hectares in 2014.

      All things that other than the fact there has never been any reason to think they suddenly decided not do the same thing they’ve been doing for a little over 60 years at least by now, suggest they most likely are continuing the habit. I mean look yeah the whole alien claim is out there… but his claim to be working with some government is seriously in considering the information publicly out there is the only thing that actually fits as even possible. Now they most likely have information that is not public which every well could indicate something else (or even definitively prove something else). But to dismiss his claim of working for the government when the last 60 years have a continual regular show of some outrageous claim/accusation is made concerning government actions that is diss-missed as nonsense yet sometimes only a year late, but usually a decade or so later low and behold it was all true.

      The historical record of highly public, media craziness around a crazy-ish person vs. u.s. government denial of said claim would tend to say it would be odd for it not to be in large part true. So it is really rather ignorant of our recent history to not keep that claim he, his wife, neighbors, all said he told that story until there is actually anything other than someones being dismissive for no real reason as yet mentioned.

      Finally to finish up with what I believe were some typos in the post originally. In your summary statement of what facts are known at the moment or were maybe updated since its posting. So now from the articles I’ve read would chance 3,4 & 5.

      3. The man told his wife to not worry about the body as the government people who worked with would handle it all. So she left the body in the car parked on Palisades Drive and went to Oregon without contacting Police to report death, though the police say there is no sign of any sort of foul play involved.

      4. This is true, but should be added onto that he was able to convince a Ms. Dawn VadBunker of that fact as well and who has been confirmed by police to be in Oregon with Mrs. Nebron

      I think you are mixing up reports of different people on #5. The reports I am seeing all are of Ms. Vadbunker in an interview speculating that her daughter (the 39 year old who went to Oregon with Mrs. Nebron) had ended up caught in the “middle of this mysterious death investigation and may be suffering from a mental breakdown.”

  11. I’m still unclear as to exactly how the hybrid died, but it would seem the Pleiadians haven’t found a cure for metastatic cancer yet either.

    This should be good news for the Breakaways. Perhaps this is the real agenda behind GMO’s: a colon cancer causing bio weapon against the hybrid fifth columnists walking the streets of LA.

    1. Something else that often puzzles me is how these hybrids find it so easy to charm and then retain human women. I need only to mention my fondness of PBS and The Antiques Roadshow to send their creepometer into the yellow…one can only imagine if I said I was a genetic member of a covert corporate/government/galactic hybrid alien-homo sleeper cells.

      It makes me wonder then exactly what these hybrid genetics really bring to the table? Stories like this one where a human woman falls irresistibly in lust with a half alien human are not really so rare…is it some sort of powerful hypnotic sexual magnetism? Vastly improved stamina? An extraterrestrially enhanced phallus?

      It reminds me of the story of a Valentine Smith, the Martian. I think my next pick up line will be, “Beg pardon?”

    2. Blue Dragon Lord

      Well the Pleiadians do not make hybrids (we are perfect already) you got that from here to protect the humans part i understand the GIE collective brainwash their abducted ones on a regular basis they think they are here to do good and also they are god neither is true.

      The link with some shadow agency is interesting as they have links with the smelly aliens and he may have come in contact with them it is of no matter. Just wanted to say nothing to do with Pleiadians for sure ok

  12. Robert Barricklow

    An operative with connections that controlled the situation that got out-of-hand. So we’re seeing a “cleaned-up” version; in as much as “they” can framed it, to obfuscate the real story. And in that “real”, the operative himself was only aware of parts and certainly not the whole focus & purpose.
    It looks to be a “Deep” operation, that somehow surfaced…
    and we’re seeing the exposed, albeit sanitized to an extent, tip of a specifically targeted extra-state dark operation.

  13. marcos toledo

    Well in this society of hyper individualism everyone living their isolation box. Especially among the uber rich should we be surprise a body can rot in plain sight in that area. The hybrid alien story sounds like a cover story but with the weapons, ammunition, money what’s the real story this doesn’t add up or begin to make sense Alice In Wonderland anybody.

  14. I agree the dead man may have been an expendable, low level contractor. What floors me is how long his body went unnoticed and the weapons, cash and ammo went untouched. I’m sure his neighborhood has the usual cadre of landscapers, mail and other delivery traffic. The fact that a thief didn’t make a serious haul, infers this guy may have had a reputation. Also note, the police apparently weren’t in the area either. A decomposing corps has an unmistakable aroma. Was his neighborhood that deserted? It appears the deceased was given a wide birth by all.

Comments are closed.