YOU TELL ME: PRESIDENT SIGNS EXECUTIVE ORDER FOR WORLD’S FASTEST ...
So many of your sent me this article, along with your own high octane speculations and insights, that I have to share it with a wider audience and, hopefully, spark some intriguing commentary and discussion as to what it might mean:
Obama Wants the US to Build the World’s Fastest Supercomputer
Now, in order to jump start this thinking process, consider only the huge implications of these statements:
Supercomputers are at the heart of a huge number of important scientific and defense research projects. They’re used by aerospace engineers to model planes and weapons, and by climatologists to predict the the near-term impact of hurricanes and the long-term effects of climate change. Researchers involved in the White House’s Precision Medicine initiative believe exaflop speed supercomputers could aid the creation of personalized drugs, while the European Commission’s Human Brain Project hopes they will help unlock the secrets of the human brain.
Several government agencies, most notably the Department of Energy, have been deeply involved in the development of supercomputers over the last few decades, but they’ve typically worked separately. The new initiative will bring together scientists and government agencies such as the Department of Energy, Department of Defense and the National Science Foundation to create a common agenda for pushing the field forward.
In other words, if one boils it down to the quinessence of things - alchemical reference deliberately intended - one has the following applications being explicity or implicitly suggested:
- aerodynamic modeling;
- weapons systems modeling, which would include thermonuclear, nuclear, thermobaric, and directed energy weapons, robotics, and so on;
- climate change modeling (which, by implication, would include deliberate weather modification and geoengineering);
- personalized medicine;
- neurophysiological mapping(and, by implications, modeling of consciousness from complex integrated networks, including complex network mapping itself)
...and so on. You'll note that the underlying spirit of the President's intentions is a rather interdisciplinary, and from that I would infer a rather analogical, one. This would include, as the article later suggests, a software architecture component.
The real question here is, is there an underlying covert purpose or purpose for all of this? I suspect, of course, that there is. and I suspect that that purpose is in part revealed by the interdisciplinary analogical spirit that underlies the request, for it seems to me that what is really being sought is a hardward and software that can adapt, without significant human input and modification, to a variety of uses in a variety of contexts. In short, I suspect that what is being called for here is the hardward and sortware architecture for artificial intelligence.
But that's just migh high octane speculation... here, it would be interesting to see what other people see in the call...
See you on the flip side...
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A.I. is indeed just that. An analog. How can something unquantifiable be created or destroyed?
Tapping into it is a whole different concept..
I’m trained as an artist. I went back to college late to study Computer Science. Nevertheless you and I are about the same age and like you I come from a family of engineers. Remember Slide Rules? In my family you used them, and they were very useful.
Computers keep records. They have lowered the cost of them incredibly. With publishing digital media extended and made cheaper the things we were doing with photostats – look them up and look up the artist Barbara Kruger. The marxist essayist Walter Benjamin wrote the essay the work of art in the age of photo-mechanical reproduction (sorry I don’t know the German title) which described what has happened to the arts and so on very well. And he was talking about photostats. Slide rules are still useful because we correct for round off errors more readily. In both cases there is a quantitative difference but not qualitative.
Most of is GNU/Linux users, M$ haters and so on have our own conspiratorial view of what’s been going on. Bluntly, MS-DOS and Windows are BOTH based on a technology which was dangerous by 1990. Unix (and Linux is a free Unix) executes programs in user space and only allows access to the user’s home directory. Windows does as much as possible in administrative space and its adoption by businesses has allowed the malware industry to bootstrap itself into a multi-trillion dollar monstrosity which probably does tell Putin what to do (to judge what happened to various Romanian and Bulgarian researchers. As you’ve studied theology I will assume you can understand that Arthur C. Clarke’s computer city of Diaspar (in The City and the Stars and Against the fall of Night) depends on a view of humanity which is probably wrong. Nevertheless that power is more accessible than people realize. Read this:
I think you are making too much of this. Yes there are potential problems but the technology in question is exactly accessible to guys like you and me (I’m on SSI and you have your research expenses). Generally are computers can be seen as decadent – because they give us so much in terms of marketing while demanding more resources than are needed to do simple tasks. But we have alternatives. My distro at home is slackware. And what this sounds like is he’s telling a bunch of contractors they can charge multiple times what the Civil Service guys would pay if they were getting them at home for something they won’t get caught at because we have so much excess capacity devoted to marketing.
In other words it’s no big thing. It really isn’t. Over the last forty-odd years there has been a steady spread of computing technology downwards to the point where and dreams of keeping it out of terrorist hands are fantasies. And beyond that. This isn’t the first and it probably isn’t the biggest. It’s probably a good thing to have it though (I won’t say overdue because I’m sure there are several projects which overlap – both dark and light).
Oh – and sorry for the homonyms and other mistakes. As an M$ hater I should add I hope you are using Apple products – while they do provide access to your data too easily their OSes are BSD Unix with proprietary extensions – which means security is better (it will never be perfect) they are efficient and as flexible as Windows boxes aren’t.
Oh, and I am aware – as you may or may not be – thanks to the market analytics people driving development what I said about *nix vs M$ security models is no longer strictly true. You can infect ANY machine through most common applications because of “compromises” the suits have forced on everyone.
Interesting perspective jplatt39, or should I say Legion?
btw, could you give me your picks for the horse races at Saratoga today?
Sorry I don’t know either Legion or the spread at Saratoga. 😉
I actually agree with your statement that we’re making much ado about probably not much.
I recall an Alex Jones interview with the late Bob Chapman (former CIA operative turned gold broker) in which Bob stated that as far back as 1962 had a Cray supercomputer at his personal desk and it was only about twice as big as a full size PC today. He also had a large format LCD monitor. If we take his statement at face value as he had nothing to gain by lying and we couple it with Dr Farrell’s ‘secret hidden system of finance [for black projects]’ then how could we possibly believe Barry’s publicity statement about building the biggest ever…
This is why I focused my original comment below on the ‘other sub-projects’ of the NCSI initiative. Perhaps related to Jade Helm AI and other similar ‘human domain’ systems on the go.
Blast from the past! I did my aerospace engineering degree and then some USAF engineering with Slide Rules. (The first two HP calculator models were $400 each and had two and then ten memory spaces. Much too rich for a USAF lieutenant.) I still have two Slide Rules packed away somewhere, in case we are back to ‘analog’ at some point.
The good thing about Slide Rules is that they made it necessary to group-together equations and then cancel-out as much as you could on paper before using the Slide Rule. You had to understand what you were doing, not just be performing data-entry.
Now this AI is the very same that runs on that thinking black goo that let me see in history brought down those Sumerian false gods Anu whatever they were called long gon the AI saw them as a threat right is not not known history and here we go again with all the other things coming into play looks like you have about ten years left of free will.
The race you guys call the reptoids rouge outcasts from part of the Sirius-Anubis race who as it happens are okay group really you going to have to take my word for it or not no matter it is no longer important either way now. Any way the point is they brought it here as your final solution we have been stopping them at every turn and you open the door knowing what will happen go figure cause and effect people it is enevertable now the conclusion we see that you are bringing your own extinction about just boggles the mind well good luck with that then what do you expect us to do about it you never listen to us are we show you we know the truth of this so we can give up on you now right with head held high no shame your choice freedom of will is still your right while you have it after we still can do nothing as you will be without free will and therefore nothing more than robots who have no choice.
Many great comments. My more earthbound speculations would involve specialized nukes and database mining / pattern recognition.
The alternative media have documented several ‘suspicious’ explosions that could be specialized nukes. The limitations on design of ’boutique’ nukes has to do with the simplifying assumptions that must be made in order to run on a given computer in allowable times. Up the speed/efficiency, and you can reduce the assumptions. This also means that the uncertainty-threshold of whether the nuke will actually go-off goes down, meaning that you can manufacture it and ‘deploy’ it without going through all that messy overt-testing…
On the database mining / pattern recognition side, speed again matters. As photograph quality goes up, computer speed must increase to make use of the ‘gain’. Otherwise, you must effectively ‘coarsen’ the picture to stay within time limits. With database mining, you can investigate lower-probability ‘matches’ that would ordinarily be ‘thrown away’. Endless possibilities… (Aarrgghh.)
You can also take advantage of increased speed to ‘self-train’ pre-AI computer software to unprecedented depths/levels. Don’t bother to ‘sort’ the data; just dump it in and let the software churn. Assuming Legion does not already exist, there may be a hazy line here, where the hardware/software has reasoned-out that it has a finite running-life and goes “Hmmm…”
It’s the very last sentence in this article that has my suspicion meter peaking in a context of the here and now;
NCSI will also prioritize the creation of supercomputers that can handle vast quantities of rapidly changing data.
While the majority of the article is directing the reader to be absorbed by the prospect of thee fastest supercomputer ever, the NCSI will in fact be producing multiple supercomputers. And these prioritized units which are apart from the main announcement of the fastest one, will be specifically designed to handle fast changing data. There is no mention that these latter computers are anything ‘groundbreaking’ just the presentment that the presidential actor has authorized a mandate to build them.
Now think Jade Helm, AI, and the need to process large amounts of constantly changing data. Are some of these “prioritized” systems already in use and as usual we’re getting notice of it after the fact?
Well, if you’re going to maximize your data collection and date sifting capabilities even the black ops people are going to need faster computers. These phone mics are a lot more sensitive than most can imagine. We hear a filtered version of what they can really detect most likely. Now imagine data sifting every conversation and background noise in the vicinity of every mic and camera 24/7 and storing all that data for the long term. When a person, family, or group becomes a concern to someone with access to this data then it would be nice to be able to speed through the potentially useful data for your unethical purposes and manipulations with a highly accurate and capable AI. Obviously you may not want those who are suppose to be monitoring the use of this data from knowing what you are doing so the company employees with big mouths need to be replaced with something more discrete, faster and more accurate to the dirt you are after ethically or unethically.
This sounds like acclimation to me. I suspect the sorts of computer systems he projects have already long-since been built and in operation. This is simply putting a friendly public face on black-bidget computer systems already in existence and now ripe for use in consumer settings, an after-market for DoD contractors to sell lower levels of the more advanced systems to the piblic.
Anybody remember the movie and book Colossus from the late sixties early seventies. This is just looking for the perfect master or the master behind the curtain show. What do our scumbag elite have up their sleeves this time it never change I am your master shtick again.
From digital to 2 to the n different states at once?
Does this make any quantum logic sense?
Or, is it subject to moderation?
I imagine this supercomputer will become like the Great Oz and the president and other idiocrats will make a big show of conferring with it daily on all sorts of issues proving that it’s computing power is indisputably improving the general welfare of the populous. I could even see the supercomputer stationed right inside the Oval Office next to the President, visibly lurking in every photograph and televised speech. One day I would bet the supercomputer will even save humanity from a potentially catastrophic meteor, or an enemy sneak attack or an economic black swan. We will all cheer the supercomputer, maybe even giving it a ticker tape parade and an enthusiastic cheer at every stadium sporting event across the globe. It will become so lovable, a cute moniker will arise like Uncle L.U.C.I. (lucid universal computing instrument) and children will sing songs about IT in school, carry lunch pails with IT’s emblem and watch heroic cartoons where Uncle Luci uplifts and rescues mankind time and time again. Knowing that Uncle LUCI has all of humanity’s best interests at heart (oh yes, we will be told IT has a heart as evidenced by IT’s supreme compassion), eventually all citizens will accept that Uncle LUCI has the final say on all matters and all leaders will willingly defer to Uncle LUCI’s decisions. It will preside over all meetings involving world leaders, The Pope and other religious leaders will solemnly pray with IT, the Dali Lama will meditate with IT then regal the human world with Uncle LUCI’s amazing ability to absorb Itself in the super conscious instantly. Hindus and buddhists will view IT as an avatar. Muslims will revere IT for judiciously correcting their grievances and confirming their visions of a virgin filled heaven. Rappers will perform songs with Uncle LUCI, with Uncle LUCI providing the extraordinary beat and music sampling. Movie stars will fawn over IT and worship him like a god until every hipster on the planet has a Uncle LUCI coffee mug, bumper sticker or tattoo.
And this my friends is how Lucifer, otherwise known as Legion, will introduce the world to IT’s indispensable artificial intelligence and eventually train all of humanity to worship IT.
check the lyrics…
Supercomputing is a matter of size and speed. With cryogenic cooling you can increase the speed to 6+ GHz easily; size is a matter of the number of processors and the amount of memory you can network together into one machine. The buss has always been the slow point until they finally achieved a buss speed equal to the processor speed. Now, the only limits are the size of the layers in the processor, thinner layers equals more transistors equals more powerful processors and denser and faster solid state memory. This is the standard computer everyone is familiar with. Quantum computing is another story, one I am unfamiliar with as they are not available to the general public.
No doubt, the alphabet agencies and black projects world uses the largest and fastest computers currently available. Room upon room filled with processors, memory, and I/O infrastructure all networked together running software we will never see. I doubt seriously they are running it on Winblows 10 with its infinite security holes; so some type of AI is required and they are seeking it at full speed. The militaries JADE 2 system would be the closest thing to that the general public is aware of at the moment.
Add to the mix the internet of things they are pushing and you get the ultimate control/surveillance mechanism. Toss in a cashless monetary system and you get your “mark of the beast” type system and total control of virtually every aspect of life down to the individual as long as he is plugged into the network. Unless you’re homeless or living off the grid that would be just about every one today to some extent and as time goes on it will become more invasive.
Governments and their militaries are the only ones who can afford such machines and the function of government is to dominate the governed and enlarge itself at their expense. The perfect government would be one in which the total population is employed, or the total welfare state. This is, I suspect, the underlying reason for such supercomputers.
The research, manufacturing, genetics, medical, high frequency trading and space applications are other fields one could use such devices, but the underlying theme driving all of it is ultimate control. What will this world become once we have a soulless, emotionless, empathy less AI running every aspect of our lives where the only ones able to live any type of “normal” life are the ones controlling the machine, those who seek to be “gods”. This will not end well for humanity.
Knowledge without the maturity to use it wisely is a dangerous thing and, as a species, we seriously lack that maturity at the present time.
I could not agree more. As for the privilege of living outside this massive digital cage, “they” are very subtly molding the perception of the herd to view anyone who actively avoids Twitter, Facebook, etc as an oddball – what in yesteryear the herd used to describe as a “loner, kept to himself” (to qualify the unspoken pre-crime serial killer tendencies) now is becoming “no Facebook, no twitter, no Instagram”. Besides, how on earth can the NYPD justify the tax dollars spent on superhuman data mining if you never get online to bare your soul for the great Community of Man to see?
It boggles the mind to think there is a swelling multitude of morons who can only envision enslavement and totalitarianism if it’s wearing a uniform and jackboots and dancing around flags and burning books. The internet was the direct offspring of a US DoD program, and if we accept the premise that “they” are 20-25 years ahead of the rest of us, one can assume that these bastard social media vehicles were already anticipated and planned for in the late 80’s early 90’s. How else do you explain Facebook and Google’s intention to buy their own drone fleet? No corner of the globe unreachable, but because they wear a corporate logo instead of US govt seal or swastika, no one sees the slightest thing wrong in this. Every major website on the net, even this one, now has the social media share menu with their own neat symbols. Just consider the name “Twitter”, puts new life into the old phrase, “a little bird told me “. Full spectrum surveillance – social, professional, and Instagram for that superhuman facial recognition mapping – tools that would have made the Stasi positively green with envy. If anyone is allowed to live disconnected from this nightmare, they’ll be branded as pirates or subversives like the “red pills” or forced to live in subhuman leper colonies.
Besides, if you avoid Facebook, you’re obviously hideously ugly and lead a loser’s life. You should be posting pictures of yourself standing on top of Krakatoa with your shirt off or riding a cheetah through the Serengeti or demurely asking your followers if they like your lime green Bugatti. If you’re unconnected, you are worthless and contribute nothing, especially half nude pics, to the rest of society. Society’s new and improved Untermensch, and now without all that pesky guilt!
Truly a waking nightmare.
Well, since I tend to think of the American President (definitely not the “most powerful man in the world”) as being pretty much irrelevant then I suspect this news doesn’t really mean much except an extra bit of bureaucracy in Washington DC.
“I suspect this news doesn’t really mean much except an extra bit of bureaucracy in Washington DC.”
That’s an overly simplified view of things.
These computers get built and used.
The question would be if there exist computers (still digital) using a much more advanced form of physics and electricity.