HOLISTIC DOCTORS POISONED, THIS TIME AT A CONFERENCE?

You may have been hearing stories about holistic doctors meeting untimely deaths recently, and now there's another story, shared courtesy of Ms. M.W., that clearly indicates that someone, somewhere, has it in for doctors who challenge the assumptions of modern pharmacologically based medicine. This time, however, it's 29 doctors, all apparently poisoned at a conference of holistic medicine in Germany, and this one is, as they say, a "whopper doozie":

29 Holistic Doctors and Practitioners Poisoned During Conference, Some in Critical Condition

Now what's really quite unsettling is that this appears to be a deliberate and concentrated attack, utilizing a synthetic drug, outlawed by the German government in 2014:

Over the past several months, a rash of deaths and mysterious disappearances of holistic physicians have taken place in the United States. And now, a new report has come forward where 29 alternative and homeopathic practitioners have suffered poisoning from a synthetically-produced psychedelic drug during a conference in Handeloh, a small town near Hamburg, Germany. Members of the group were found in the garden staggering, doubled over in pain. A number were experiencing hallucinations, breathing problems and life-threatening conditions. Barely able to speak, they were rushed to the hospital.

“The patients, aged between 24 and 56, were found suffering from delusions, breathing problems, racing hearts and cramps, some in life-threatening conditions, according to the public broadcaster NDR… Some were suffering delusions and even psychoses. Some patients were administered sedatives en route to hospital, said the emergency response physician who headed the rescue operation, Dr. Kai Rathjen.”

The drug itself, 4-ethyl-2,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine, is, as the article indicates, highly "dose sensitive" and can produce the following behaviors and side-effects noted in the article:

  • General change in consciousness (as with most psychoactives)
  • Pupil dilation
  • Visual patterning, closed and open eye visuals
  • Confusion, difficulty concentrating, and/or scrambled thoughts
  • Change in perception of time
  • Slight increase in body temperature
  • Slight increase in heart rate
  • Muscle tension and aching
  • Jaw tension
  • Increased perspiration
  • Gastrointestinal discomfort, nausea and vomiting
  • Dizziness, confusion
  • Over-awareness & over-sensitization to music and noise
  • Paranoia, fear
  • Unwanted life-changing spiritual experiences
  • Possible difficulty integrating experiences
    Emphases added)

Now the article itself, as you'll note, raises the possibility that this is connected to the spate of deaths of holistic and alternative medicine practitioners in the southeastern United States. Certainly, the spate of deaths does raise the possibility that someone, somewhere, wants to silence the opposition and questions of "standard medicine" particularly where vaccines and pharamcological-surgery solutions are the all-but--all-encompassing norm. And certainly the speculation could be advanced that this might be what has happened at this German conference.

However, as one might expect, our high octane speculation of the day is a bit different, for there are a number of obvious differences between the German situation and the American one. The first of these is that in the American case, the deaths and disappearances are on an inidividual, case-by-case basis, rather than a mass targeting of a group, as in the German instance. The second of these is that in the American case, we are dealing with deaths and weird disappearances, i.e., if there is a conspiracy at work, then it would appear that someone is deliberately trying to silence the "opposition" or at least a few of its more outspoken proponents. In the German case, however, an entire group was given an apparently dangerous psycho-active drug to a group, a drug which, according to the article itself, can produce not only physical effects, but altered states of consciousness, including changes of perceptions of time, paranoia and fear, and "unwanted life-changing spiritual experiences" and "possible difficulty integrating experiences." The article does not state if these changes are permanent or not.

So it looks to me that, rather than dealing with elimination here, we might be dealing with some sort of experiment being performed on involuntary victims of a "drug trial". But since the effects of the drug are known, what sort of experiment might it be? I suggest that perhaps it is some sort of social experiment, with perhaps an ongoing experiment to determine the length of the effects of the drug. One is reminded of the television series Fringe with mad scientists Walter Bishop and William Bell secretly drugging people from children to college students with all manner of drugs to experiment with consciousness and parallel universes. It doesn't really take a rocket scientist to suspect "foul play" in other words, for that would seem to be obvious. The real question is, foul play for what purpose? and the setting, the drug, and the victims, suggest to my mind "covert experiment."  This may be one to watch, to see what followup, if any, the media gives, and what the victims themselves has to say, and what they themselves suspect.

See you on the flip side...

29 thoughts on “HOLISTIC DOCTORS POISONED, THIS TIME AT A CONFERENCE?”

  1. This reeks of a typical smear campaign to discredit these doctors by giving them now a drug user type history,life altering experiences may indicate permanent damage to the psyche rendering the target unpredictable,appearing unstable and perhaps encouraging the use of psychiatric help to return to normalcy , therefore easily discredited. Germans wouldn’t normally kill other Germans if they can help it,but it would be wise to monitor what happens to these individuals in the near future.

  2. Manhattan based Holistic oncologist and author Dr. Mitchell Gaynor found dead in the woods outside his upstate home. Health nut news reports he may have been walking away from a car accident. He used intravenous glutathione as part of his cancer protocol

  3. Not sure where the comments on secret space program conference are coming in.

    I read down on comments to the article Dr F linked up. Apparently German media are selling this as a bunch of old hippies getting too buzzed and needing standard industrial med help.

    Taking this tactic to the strategy it implies and then taking the strategy to the goals implied, what ever is the point. If the Oligarchy isn’t just going to kill of masses (with whatever minima of deniability they can muster after the fact), then what are they looking for? A slave class of short lived mediocre performing subpar humans they can own? Pro-active dysgenics?

    Reminds me, didn’t Dr Hahnemann’s son die a suspicious death?

  4. Unlike the open secret experiment of fluoride in our drinking water.

    I would like to address the conspiracy film Everything is a Rich Man’s Trick, for several parts of it seem to contradict Josephs work, including not mentioning how communism was financed out of New York like Lenin and Trotsky were, but that also it claims Hitler was dead (this could still hold water in the film’s context, for all intents to trompe le monde, he Was, but also it seems to ignore other facts I’ve found in reading Third Way, S/S/Psyops. I’m wondering if people here have concerns with it or if it is legit, especially if Dr F finds it legit over all.

    I tried to comment here where M. Toledo shared it in comments, but comments are closed, and here is as good as

  5. As a european nurse I can only say the hospitle enviroment has become a very scary place where only pharmaceutical options in mega doses rule.
    Profits before anyone or anything.

    So many people believe in the fallacy of very prosperous prolonged life thru scientific medikation discoveries.

    Once that fallacy is punctured by reality and so much suffering in disaese many are now opting for euthanasia as the only way of stoppping that suffering wich is way more liberal in use over here then the USA I think.

    The pharmaceutical industry must be laughing there pants of all the way to the bank and the other sicko’s from ritual murder no less begged for by the sufforer of unimaginable torture.

    1. emlong just beat me to this posting! (grin)

      I take this attack as a ‘we’re looking at you’ statement. Any holistic practitioner will now be looking over their shoulder. Effective, without being deadly.

      In that vein (grin), the difference between American and European ‘deadliness’ could indicate country of origin. The power apparatus in the US has no problem with eliminating opposition. Think JFK. The Euros (likely Germany) may be more finicky about eliminating fellow citizens. Or, an order may have come from the US power apparatus to ‘shut these people up’, and a Euro intermediary opted for a lesser ‘punishment’.

      1. Robert Barricklow

        Francis Bacon had an omniscient analogy that unfortunately speaks nails this tactic; described as follows/the arrow that flies in the dead of night because no one sees its deadly effect.

  6. I’m wondering how long the effects of this drug last on these people, could there be some residual effects permanently altering their ability to process information? Something like that would pretty much take them out of the game without having to actually kill them.

    1. I checked around the Internet on long term effects of the drug 2C-E and there appears to be few, if any, studies done as it is not a widely used drug.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-E#Effects

      From the available knowledge, the effects most likely will wear off with no long lasting effects from a once only dose, even though that dose was a heavy one. And since these individuals were into a natural mental and physical health regimen, that would also point to a full recovery.

      It is pointed out, however, that the effects can vary from individual to individual, as well as long term effects.

      https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ce/2ce_effects.shtml

      I’m sure whomever was involved in food preparation and food delivery will be thoroughly investigated, the masterminds behind it all are far away and have their backsides covered.

      1. Yeah I have to disagree with that wholeheartedly. The 2c-I/e drugs are NOT something that anyone should ever mess around with. A very close friend of mine took one of them, and while I didn’t witness it, the experience he described was downright violent and scary. He reported periods of being in an immense amount of pain where his body would lock up completely and seeing from a disassociated third person point of view, Native American like people with headdresses on hovering over and trying to “claim” his body. In my opinion he didn’t come back from that one the same person, I’m not sure how anyone could. In some ways he seems a tad removed from reality now, if that makes any sense. Seems to almost “slip away” sometimes.

  7. Handsome Hillbilly

    As is the norm these days: News without pertinent details beyond superficial offerings. However, considering how reporters intent on the facts are often themselves suicided or otherwise taken out, some slack is in order in this regard.

    Under the shrub administration, the USA Congress passed a law making it legal for “The Authorities” to experiment on the public in any way, shape, or form – without consent or knowledge of the subjects of the experiments. This made it legal to do what they had been doing anyhow for decades (untreated syphillis in targeted racial groups, pox contaminated blankets to the indiginous population, spraying cities with test chemicals, yada yada).

    Anyhow as to this new law (one of thousands, not that the rule of law means much to those who create them in modern times in a pretend civilization), not a peep of concern – at least as allowed by the oligarchs du jour. making legal what was formerly criminal (asset forfeiture anyone?).

  8. This has the look of a MOB rubout on steroids the holistic doctors around the World. The doctors in Germany should count themselves lucky they weren’t Saint Valentized like their colleagues in the USA. In the Evil Empire the if you don’t follow the party line your murdered or disappeared shades of South American dictatorships our oligarchs are so fans of.

  9. Who needs volunteers?

    There’s a commercial,
    I think for insurance [what else?], that says,
    “You don’t take what you get. You get what you take.”

    That’s what THEY do.
    THEY take, whatever they want, whatever they want to do with ‘it.’

  10. Haven’t personally experienced any of such substances, but there’s something about spontaneous and literal “heightened senses” if you will. Sort of that (aura?) they refer to..and then a coincidence related to it.

    1. “Aura” is the totality of your individual electromagnetic field,
      which some are sensitive to [see or feel].

  11. As long as you are into “high octane speculation,”
    you left one [motive] out; sadism, pure and simple.

  12. Robert Barricklow

    Perhaps “they” are getting more bang for their buck, as the saying goes. Knocking off their competitors[as it’s well known that competition is a sin. A group experiment. All done in sync with a CON[job]CERN[top-secret quantum-observer reality] towards achieving a manufactured “reality”.
    An ONION-like Psyche-Op; where the outside layers are the obvious operations being carried out, compared to the hidden agendas/operations at its very core.

  13. For what it’s worth, here is Shulgin’s PIHKAL entry on 2C-E:
    https://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal024.shtml

    It it known to be “not that much fun,” with a steep dose/response curve that becomes frightening at 25-30 mg. That being the case, it is one of the more exotic exotics, and is something you’re very unlikely to come across unless you’re specifically looking for it.

    So, while it does seem a very strange choice of poison, it does work nicely as a psychological warfare weapon that leaves a bad taste in the mind. To me, this event reads as a warning: “We can get you, right out in the open. So stay in line.”

  14. Since these were Holistic medical practitioners, we can probably rule out that they were volunteers for a synthetic mind altering experience. If that were the case they would have used a natural substance similar to Graham Hancock’s Ayahuasca.
    Whether or not it’s related to the deaths in America, is unclear. Never the less, it seems a message is being sent to holistic practitioners in both countries.
    Let food be your medicine, and medicine be your food…
    God, the earth, or nature (take your pick) has provided us with everything we need to stay healthy and live disease free, long lives in the natural foods we should be eating; the pure waters we should be drinking; and in the wild, free range meats/fish we should be eating.
    Only mankind’s profit driven arrogance would assume otherwise.
    I am very thankful I live in a rural area where a large percentage of the population raises their own vegetables and where I can hunt for wild meat and catch wild fish and shrimp. I am reasonably certain this may be one of the reasons most here live long lives and are healthy for most it.

  15. Someone please remind me to pack a lunch myself before the next Secret Space Conference. I’d rather not be a guinea pig.

  16. The German websites appear to describe the events in a similar way, but there do not seem to be many clues as to what this “conference” actually was, who the participants were and whether they were volunteers in some experiment.

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