IN SPAIN: CATALONIAN VOTE BRINGS SECESSIONISTS CLOSER TO THEIR GOAL?

Lest you think the problems in Europe are all about Greece, refugees, austerity, or even German versions of "unipolarism", there has been quite a crisis going on in Spain - the fifth major European power and economy. This important article, shared by Mr. G.L.R, gives a rundown, and suggests - between the lines of course- what the real problem is:

Spain: Pro-secession parties in Catalonia win landmark vote

What concerns us here are these lines:

Catalans are fiercely proud of their own distinct language and culture. Many who favor breaking away from Spain say their region, which represents nearly a fifth of Spain's economic output, pays too much in taxes and receives less than its fair share of government investment. Independence sentiment grew during Spain's near economic meltdown during the financial crisis.

If the secessionist alliance join forces with the radical pro-independence Popular Unity Candidacy party known as CUP, which won 10 seats, they will have more than the 68 seats needed to try to push forward their plan to make Catalonia independent from Spain by 2017.

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Spain's government has also said secession by Catalonia would disrupt fragile signs of economic recovery for the country struggling with unemployment of 22 percent.

The ruling party's candidate to lead Catalonia, Xavier Garcia Albiol, acknowledged that Sunday's result was a blow.

"These are not the results that we expected or wanted," he said.

Catalans from both sides of the independence divide extol their Catalan language, spoken by most of the region's residents and suppressed during Spain's 1939-1975 dictatorship under Francisco Franco.

Jordi Perez, a 50-year-old civil servant said he voted for "Together for Yes" because he feels Spain has historically disparaged Catalan culture and the region's language.

"I have wanted independence ever since I was young," Perez said after voting in Barcelona. "During three centuries they have robbed us of our culture. We have reached the moment that the Catalan people say `enough is enough.'"

 

It does not take much reading between the lines to see that Spain is, in a sense, a microcosm of what has happened in every western country, and what is happening especially in Europe. Long policies of entitlement have created generations that feel and think themselves entitled. Coupled with this, has been a government policy in recent years that can only be expressed as "industriously welcoming" to all and sundry who simply want to come to Spain and live off the largesse of Madrid. The result has been, for quite some time, and in advance of the growing refugee crisis, an influence of Muslim populations into that nation, which has only exacerbated the already inherent tensions within the regions of Spain with unique cultures. Under the onslaught of cultural invasion, the secessionist impulses are only fed.

If one has been following various internet assessments of why this influx has been covertly and quietly fostered, one encounters the idea that this is precisely to generate a backlash against the entire Islamic world for a massive and united injection of western military power, and a massive ejection of the populations that have hitherto been welcomed. In Spain, the welcome long ago wore out, and to ignore this as one of the principal and fundamental reasons for the growing secessionist sympathies in that nation is to attempt to treat the symptoms, and not its cause. And it's spreading - quickly - to the rest of Europe, where what was once, just a few years ago, quietly a taboo subject, is now being openly, and in many cases vociferously, stated in public organs and parliaments. In Spain, it's gone way past vociferous statements in parliaments and is now close to open revolt against central government that, as in so many other countries, is so corrupt it cannot see the suicidal path it is on. The secessionist backlash is definitely not the intended goal of the exercise. Similar movements have been heard from Scotland to Italy.

Even M. Hollande and Frau Merkel finally got the message.

Let's hope they do in Madrid as well.

See you on the flip side...

 

 

33 thoughts on “IN SPAIN: CATALONIAN VOTE BRINGS SECESSIONISTS CLOSER TO THEIR GOAL?”

  1. Agreed that banking supplants the governance. HIlarious that Scotland is free as they still use the pound. Freedom is relative. And apparently not free eh?

    We all might find, and perhaps Dr Farrell can weigh in here, that the publicly owned bank in North Dakota did well before oil and gas finds. Also publicly held banks were far more common before and successful. The usable wealth of any region depends on the health of the environment and resources. Privately held and/or central banking (as Babylon’s Banksters attests) are just one more parasitic bite into the larger social entity. Even publicly held banks can be corrupted. Isn’t the closest institution we have access to now days credit unions?

    along the lines of what mr global is hegellian dialecting the rest of us for –
    “Robert Barricklow
    The bottom line is that the economy is totally based on their maintenance of control:
    TOTAL CONTROL!!!”

    RB, I ran across this earlier today.
    https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-future/chinas-nightmarish-citizen-scores-are-warning-americans
    not a new story. interesting how it’s developing.

    I have family in that area and have thought more than once that their lives are affected by what I write to them. That’s short term thinking and frequently pertinent. This blog has me considering longer term ideas as well. What we’re talking about is control to access – access to any and every thing. Jobs, schooling, food, news, knowledge, travel, everything. At what point are the folk reading Dr Farrell going to know that we’re only being allowed access to this conversation. And then we’ll have to wonder why.

    Until now we’re probably ok with being ALLOWED access, because we see life and social structure meritoriously. I got sick years ago and read my way to recovery because I had savings and family who helped me gain access to written non-mainstream knowledge that proved vital to my still improving health. Those of my family and friends who eat gmo’s, junk, toxins, poisons,…. are ok with me and I’m ok with them because we all see it as a choice (albeit pooched by a manipulated mainstream as Neil Sanders documented – and much longer term as Dr Farrell documented). We all had access to information and we all (or mostly all) worked to provide access to those we thought needed. Jesus knows I’ve done more than my share to make others I care about aware of gmo’s, junk, toxins, poisons,…

    Shorter term, one has to wonder what life will be like with this self imposed shut down of access to info on internet, libraries, amazon,…. Longer term one has a fair guess at how thx1138 life will be when our access to info is limited by our score.

    So Goshawks and Lost,
    excellent point on socialized loses and privatized gains (and public banking)
    You brought up a question I’ve asked repeatedly elsewhere for months now and gotten not much good answer. I think Iceland got beat with corruption again briefly after they first threw the bums out and actually prosecuted a bankster or two. After that does anyone have a clue how they did? and how they’re doing?

  2. This article was interesting in terms of the ‘pressures’ that can be brought on any state/region that doesn’t ‘play along’, whatever the game. Greater Spain and Catalonia may face this quandary…

    http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2013/11/a-short-story-of-how-country-can.html

    “…for at least 10 years there was no problem with interest [in Greece], despite that everyone knew the real deficit figure, but the problem suddenly appeared in 2009 when, ‘accidentally’, the Greek government rejected Goldman Sachs’ proposal for a new ‘financial product’. Within a short time, rating agencies downgraded Greece, skyrocketing her lending cost.

    In other words, as long as Greece was playing the game of Goldman Sachs, giving economic benefits inside the Greek territory, there was no problem with lending. When the new government stopped giving such benefits, probably because no one knew where would lead in the future, international banksters-speculators mobilized every means that they had (rating agencies, media, etc.), in order to show who is the boss and that there is no way for the country to avoid default, except of playing with their rules.”

  3. I’m certainly open to the idea of succession in California but I wonder if people really realize the enormous costs involved in creating and running a country? If you think your taxes are too high right now, just wait until all that federal support disappears and the influx of new “citizens” begins. Its not like we will stop paying taxes to the Union. The fact that the federal government will demand re-imbursement for the loss of its “defense” facilities here, for example, is a given. Moreover, right now much, if not most of these expenses, are paid for out of The Black Budget. As a successionist country, however, I strongly doubt whether we will have access to that budget, although one can never be sure just how that will itself work out. But what we can be sure of is that even if we do, it will come with enormous strings attached. Add to this the money we will have to pay them for all the other federal infra-structures we need to hijack, like VA hospitals, pension plans, postal service, welfare, prison facilities, and on and on, to make our new country work. Not only will all these have to be reimbursed to The Union: we will then face the additional issue of creating the much needed anciliary facilities and financing them our own. All this to become “independant” of The Union? I don’t think so! Its more like the taxes we pay to The Union right now will be transferred to our new “country”, who will pay them back to the Union plus while charging us endless “administrative” fees to boot. Add to this mix the fact that the taxes asessed by our “new” country will expand exponentially, while the citizen tax base will shrink dramatically, and I see a real horror show in the works.

    Worse yet, those currently in charge of our federal government are guaranteed to find a way to finagle themselves into positions of authority in our new government too. Politicians always do. They will use their experience in Washington as a selling point, totally ignoring the fact that they almost single-handedly created a monstrous tax-gobbling instrument of debt slavery there, and will do the same thing here. For these reasons and others I don’t see the successionist movement right now as anything more than a pie-in-the sky pipe-dream.

    I do think however, there is a lesson to be gleaned from all this. There can be no real transformation in human civilization until the human heart changes. This is the reality we face and strategies like succession are just schemes to paper it over. Although the starkness of this fact has been staring us in the face for literally billions of years, we have yet to even begin to address it. As Einstein has proven mathematically over and over again, we live in a Unified Field, a Field rooted in the exalted intelligence of conscious understanding. Somehow, some way, our lives must begin to reflect this fact. The only alternative is the self-destruction of our civilization. This self-destruction has happened over and over throughout the history of human civilization, no matter what its technological level, and will continue to happen until we get the message. We are on the brink of that self-destruction right now. So our life together on planet Earth must become one in which the individual no longer puts his own interests above the interests of The Whole. Why? Because in a Unified Field the individual is simply an expression of The Whole at that particular point in the evolution of time and space. He is a perspective: how The Unified Field appears from that particular point in space at that particular time.

    The message, I would suggest, is clear: while most individuals are totally convinced they are separate from The Whole, that condition is not only empirically, but actually logically impossible in a Unified Field. If Einstein is correct, the truth of our existence is that everything is connected to everything else. Somehow, some way, this principle of unification must be so deeply implanted into the human nervous system that it actually begins to unravel iself and transform the human heart. Or maybe it already is implanted that deeply. Maybe the challenge we face is just to recognize this fact.

    At any rate all real heart transformation emanates not from the individual, but from The Unified Field itself. Each individual is just a configuration of the Field at, like I say, a particular point in time and space within it. Moreover, that heart transformation cannot be engineered at the point of a gun, like The Capitalists and The Communists try to do. It can only be engineered by freely understanding how The Unified Field is structured. One must simply realize that structure, and his place within it, so deeply that he becomes a conscious expression of it. Until that event happens we will continue to incarnate in a closed circle where life keeps generating ignorance, ignorance keeps generating death, and death keeps generating life so that we can again have the opportunity to realize once and for all who as individuals we realy are. Cosmic wars are really only a sideshow.

        1. Nidster, in that regard, it is interesting to see the ‘reaction’ to this successful state bank:

          The basis of South Dakota’s prosperity was the extraction of oil (environmental consequences aside, for this posting). This extraction process was only economically-sound with the jacked-up prices of oil.

          When Saudi Arabia was ‘told’ to abandon quotas and flood the market, oil prices dropped below what most South Dakota companies could profitably-extract. Now, most of those companies (and others of this ilk, worldwide) are either bankrupt or pumping-like-mad to try to meet fixed loan payments.

          So, the South Dakota state bank has been dealt a terrible blow, all under ‘plausible deniability’ circumstances…

      1. I live in California and read a wide variety of publications and can detect no real movement to succeed from the Union here. True, there are some counties in northern and central California that want to start a separate state, but not succeed from the U. S.

        The only state that seems to have a serious succession movement is Texas, as far as I can tell. They roar their mouths off now and then, but haven’t heard much from them lately. Extreme libertarian Mike Adams, head of Natural News, lends support to these views occasionally.

        As for Gov. Brown of California, the “Moonbeam” moniker came about decades ago in his first go around as Governor. He had some idealistic notions that weren’t practical at the time and his political enemies tagged him with that. Though no politician is without their downside, Gov. Brown now practical approach in his second go around as Governor has helped to lead the state to a stabilized financial situation with a $3 billion budget surplus. This after Gov. Schwarzenegger’s disastrous tenure left the state in ruins.

          1. I’m familiar with public banking and disagreed with Gov. Brown’s decision on that. But why pick on Brown and California? My research shows that only one state in the U. S. has a public bank and that’s North Dakota. Let’s ride-herd on all the other 48 states that don’t have it as well.

  4. Gee, the Spanish economy was working well enough and then German banks helped to tank it, and at least in Ireland, which they also helped tank, they demanded their entitlements.

    Wealthy Catalonia pushed to split from what had been a successful socialist democracy, sort of akin to Croatia and Slovenia splitting from Yugoslavia (not a democracy, but wealthy and stable) in the early 1990s. That worked out well, not.

    But fewer strong unified states to Germany’s south.

  5. IMHO the Scott’s Succession Election was rigged. I’m pleased Catalonia was successful and I fear, the only way we’ll get real change in the States is succession. However, that might play into the PTB’s plan too. However, the States need to goto a State Banking system based on equity and just walk away from the Federal Reserve.

    1. Sounds like a plan.
      Since the establishment of the District of Columbia and the incorporation of the federal government, the US has been essentially ruled by a foreign corporation. That corporation has borrowed itself into an 18 trillion dollar hole and through Bush’s and Obama’s executive orders has claimed ownership of everything, including our bodies and labor as collateral for that debt. This corporation has a constitution amazingly similar to the actual constitution which they have been adding statutes to and modifying to suit their agenda. They have been substituting that constitution for the actual constitution since its incorporation. What were once God given rights are now privileges to be taken away at a whim. Executive orders were never to carry the weight of law, but were more for how much starch to put into a certain officials collar, otherwise, they would grant tyrannical power to the executive branch thus eliminating the balance of power leading toward a feudal monarchy.
      Succession would be the best legal approach to eliminating our biggest liability. We could just leave Washington to the banksters, who own those employed by it, body and soul, to fend for itself, free ourselves from the yolk of tyranny and reestablish the federal government as outlined by the actual constitution which grants us God given, inalienable rights rather than privileges.

      We can always buy back that ten square miles for $.00000000000000000001 on the dollar and make it a national park commemorating our victory.

  6. Beware of what you wish for this is playing into the hands. Of those who want to govern without responsibilities and the merchants of death who want to make money off people killing each other and all around chaos that would promote. Add to this ignorance is strength that is being sold like hot cakes as education. And we and those who come after us can look forward to a Mad Max World Hell brought to us by the usual suspects.

    1. Hey, Marcos! I think those ‘Merchants of Death’ are making more than money from the death of innocent peoples, they are also drawing some sort of perverse power from their deaths. Think about the ‘honor killings’ of innocent women who are raped, and then having their family seek to kill them in order to achieve some perverted sense of justice. What is that all about?

  7. It is not clear (at least to me – maybe someone from Spain could explain better) what the Catalonian nationalist coalition’s attitude is to the EU. On the one hand, anti-secession spokesmen have – as happened before in Scotland – bandied the “threat” of the new State having to start out without EU membership and without the euro. And this still seems to worry public opinion which is formed by the oligarch-controlled media.
    Going back to the Northern League in Italy, which for about two decades called for the independence of “Padania” – i.e. the area from the Po Valley to the Alps, we might recall that the ideological roots of that policy went back to Professor Gianfranco Miglio, a Hapsburg nostalgic and Catholic traditionalist who openly called for the “regionalization” of central Europe. Now while he had no (neo)Nazi sympathies, the Northern League’s policy was very sympathetic to the Pan-Germanic attempts to break up European countries, as actually happened with Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia. I say Pan-Germanic (or you might Nazi) because with all these “wonderful” regionalization programmes ensuring the “self-determination of peoples”, Germany would be basically unaffected, or even enlarged by getting back former territories….
    Since the early 2000s there has been less focus on regionalization by the Brussels and Berlin oligarchs, and the Northern League in Italy has given up its call for independence; though the creation of “macro-regions” as bureaucratic entities has gone ahead.
    While there may well be cultural and historical justifications for Catalonian independence, this policy seems to coincide a little too suspiciously with the old Nazi-inspired regionalization plan.
    And, as someone commented, what good is it to call for “independence” while retaining EU membership, since, res sic stantibus, there can be no independence in the EU?

    1. That to me Dana is the key: the oligarch-controlled media. Somehow “they” have the trust of a high percentage of the people[if you believe their achievements thus far]. I don’t trust the polls. I don’t trust the (s)election process.
      The EU was a CON game right-off the starting gate.
      The money issuance being one of the keys to the fraud being perpetrated. That so many sided with the CON: the academics, news papers, magazines, talking heads, etc., exemplifies the octopus oligarchy’s media tentacles stretching beyond the limits of what any sane individual would consider even possible. Their perception management is beyond belief.
      I worry this “reality” has been so consuming; that once those who were privy to it’s conception, having died, would leave behind those in place who were absolutely clueless – completely in charge of what what they believed to be good for ALL society.

      1. Good comments and observations by everyone here. Plus, Robert your brilliant observation of Dana’s key points are especially good and appreciated.

        1. I hope readers found those remarks useful, and by the way there are the issues of the banking situation in Spain as mentioned by Lost. And what about the Spanish-Nazi link in this regard? Post-Franco Spain has preferred to sweep this under the carpet. On the other hand a lot has come out about the Vatican connections in Spanish banking problems, with the Banco de Santander for example.
          So one could pursue the issue of who is funding the various independence movements and opinion makers in Spain, beyond the grassroots phenomenon which undoubtedly exists. But then there is a lot of grassroots opinion everywhere in the world that nobody ever hears about – until the oligarch media “reveals” it…

          1. Again, spot on.
            Their modus-operandi has been/and is: funding and running both sides of the coin; the opposition and the status quo. Their “intelligence[spying]” springs from “their” UNGODLY wealth, generated by the fraudulent issuance of currencies. All coordinated by a commanding height of economies/intelligences through highly centralized organizations; within their extremely sophisticated pyramid structures of power.

  8. German banks sure trashed the economies of Ireland and Spain, amongst others.

    And at least in the case of Ireland demanded, and got, entitlements.

    Perhaps the Catalans should be demanding that German banks, the City, and Wall Street pay for their sins in Spain as a whole. We’ve already seen what happens when a functioning socialist state allows one of the wealthier parts to tell other parts “we’re special and owe you nothing”–worked out so well in Yugoslavia in the 1990s when Croatia and Slovenia did that, not. (Though Germany and NATO got rid of a well to do functioning socialist state.)

    And yep, Spain was running a budget surplus until the financial crash of 2008–meaning those so called “entitlements” for people were working and paid for. But then comes the “disruption” almost entirely caused by investment bankers. Who is asked to pay, not the bankers of course, and now the Catalans are saying “not my fault”, which is only true in a very limited sense.

    1. Right, and in Cyrus we all saw who was made to pay for the ‘sins’ of the Banksters, it was the Depositers who were mostly blameless, except perhaps the Russian Mafia, which Putin refused to ‘rescue’.

    2. Lost, there’s an appropriate phrase going-around now:

      “Privatize the gains; socialize the losses.”

      The revolving-door between the bankster side and the treasury side seems to have enshrined this ‘mode’, however it minutely plays-out in individual countries. Perhaps we need to adopt the ‘Icelandic’ model…

  9. Also, I tried posting this a couple of times last night on the Gilgamesh Epic thread but for some technical reason, it wouldn’t stick:

    Quoting goshawks: “Have you ever seen the movie/artwork, “The Man Who Planted Trees”? (original title: “L’homme qui plantait des arbres”) Inspiring…
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093488/

    I personally haven’t seen the original but a couple of years ago I did read a book about a follow-up (of sorts) to the Jean Giono story in France. A kind of real life Elzeard Bouffier named David Milarch in Michigan.

    The new 2012 book is written by Jim Robbins and it is pretty fascinating. Milarch, who worked in a garden nursery, was an alcoholic who had a near death experience. He claims that he was visited by “angels” who instructed him to save the trees. He has since committed his life to cloning the largest and oldest available of each tree species. The basic idea being that man has foolish plundered the largest specimens of each species and only left behind the “runts of the litter” so to speak. Consequently this has had dramatic negative effects on the health of forest.

    Milarch has had quite a bit of success. He has met with a number of scientists and has travelled as far as California, England and even China visiting sacred groves and collecting samples. The most fascinating part of the book to me was how little contemporary science actually knows about trees. There was some fascinating information in the book but the bit that has really stuck with me is how tree buds have actually been document to follow radiation patterns related to stars. It’s actually blindingly simple…trees are collectors of “stellar” (or if you prefer, “solar” energy.)

    If you’d like an enjoyable read then I definitely recommend the book:
    http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-man-who-planted-trees-jim-robbins/1105608084

    I’d also encourage you to check Milarch website at:
    https://www.ancienttreearchive.org/tag/david-milarch/

    1. Hey kitona, we are way off topic here but I do appreciate the links as I really love trees that are the “best of the best”. I live in close proximity to the Joyce Kilmer Forest and love to see the ‘old-growth’ trees that still stand to this day.

      All the best to you!

      1. Thanks Nidster,

        I like trees a lot true. And in light of Milarch claims of seeing “angels”, the topic of tree DNA, and the ancient epics of lost forests…I feel that this is a book that should get some attention on this website.

        Thanks again,

        BK

        1. any of you guys read any of the likes of james redfield et al? there’s a long list and quite a bit of anecdotal evidence that old growth forest has more going than we currently give credit. go to oldest stands available. thank you and will look up more on Milarch and Robbins.

  10. If only there was an English secessionist movement. They could break free of the yoke of the royal empire that oppress them.

      1. Have you heard of the “State of Jefferson” movement? Northern CA counties and Southern OR counties each got tired of effectively having no say in their respective legislatures, due to their not being population centers. So, they whipped up a new, combo ‘state’. Some folks view the movement as a joke, and some go “hmmm”…

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