PROPAGANDA WARS, AND DISTURBING DEVELOPMENTS

If you've been following the metldown of disturbing events in the Middle East and the Ukraine, not to mention the growing refugee crisis in Europe, you'll also have been noticing the propaganda wars have been heating up, a process, really, that began in earnest during the whole Ukrainian mess, if not before.  But since the Russian intervention in Syria, things are now going full tilt it seems. Western media is predictably highlighting Russian air strikes and civilian  casualties (when the west does it, it's nothing but "collateral damage," of course). But now there's these disturbing developments, shared courtesy of Mr. S.D., a regular here:

Putin: Claims Russian jets killed civilians in Syria emerged before airstrikes started

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Whether or not this is true will require further corroboration, but then there is this disturbing development, also shared by Mr. S.D, and some others here:

Russia moves thermobaric warheads that INCINERATE targets into Ukraine while world's attention is on Syria

You'll recall that we have blogged on this site about the possible use of such weapons in Syria and Yemen. Indeed, there have been YouTube videos from both countries, taken and uploaded by locals, that indicate either the use of tactical nuclear weapons, or thermobaric bombs, or possibly, even some type of new explosive weapon. Additionally, since the mess in the Ukraine grew into the current problems in the Donbass, there have been similar videos taken by locals there, and uploaded on YouTube. At the time, I expressed my puzzlement, and continue to do so. Thermobaric bombs are technological devices in the extreme, and only a few nations on the earth can actually make them, and they are, as one might guess, the "usual names": the USA, Russia, the European powers, China, and possibly India and a few others. One can rule out, of course, Chinese deployments of the devices to the Ukraine. Leaving the question of who might be using them in the eastern Ukraine?

At the time I first considered this subject, I was hard pressed to find a good reason why any country with an interest in the Ukrainian mess would deploy, much less use, them. They can be considered to be weapons of mass destruction, just a step below nuclear weapons, and hence, a considerable escalation, and a considerable cost in world opinion for doing so.. But as the above Daily Mail article suggests, a Russian thermobaric system has been detected, and, according to the article, from a relatively reliable source:

The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe - which is monitoring a ceasefire in eastern Ukraine - reports its monitors have seen a mobile TOS-1 Buratino system for the first time.

The Buratino features thermobaric warheads which spread a flammable liquid around a target and then ignite it. It can destroy several city blocks in one strike, causing indiscriminate damage.

The interesting thing here is that there is no substantiation of what is, to be sure, a significant and dangerous allegation. And in the highly charged atmosphere in Eastern Europe, the Ukraine, and the Middle East, such evidence would seem to be required. But additionally, there are those YouTube videos of enormous explosions in the eastern Ukraine, and ongoing Western charges of the presence of Russian military in the Donbass, and Russian denials of it. If, indeed, it has been the West covertly using such weapons there, then the intention of the discovery is clear: blame Russia. If, conversely, it has been the Russians supplying the devices to the Donbass, then again, the discovery is clear though the meaning changes: Russia is to blame. Or, perhaps, there is a third party trying to ratchet up East-West tensions.

My point? With allegations like this, the proof is in the proof, and as yet, there is none. And in the game of propaganda wars, there likely isn't going to be.

See you on the flip side....

22 thoughts on “PROPAGANDA WARS, AND DISTURBING DEVELOPMENTS”

  1. Of course the Kunduz hospital attack incident happened in a place formerly controlled by the Bundeswehr contingent of ISAF. It seems reasonable to think that they left, or attempted to leave, a stay-behind network, a German speciality. Who can say if there is any “German connection” here.
    A few weeks ago Der Spiegel wrote that in 2001 the US considered a nuclear option in Afghanistan. More propaganda wars, truth, semi-truth?
    http://www.rt.com/news/313821-us-nuke-afghanistan-september/

  2. The black man in the picture shows he’s been whipped bad and broken by his master owners, the slave treatment like the psychopaths of the corporate power pyramid internationalist mafia still consider a necessary thing today I’m sure, just in greater numbers with our modern weapons. What leader can you trust that doesn’t have a stake in this corrupt to the core dystopic system, They all compete to be the best at lying, cheating, betraying and mass murdering to show their clout, just as good at seducing the masses, otherwise they wouldn’t be in the game very long. Machiavelli explained it so well in The Prince…

  3. As Nato scrambles to supply untraceable SAM weaponry to ISIS and its comrades , the Russo/Syrian alliance eliminates as many of the anti Syrian elements as it can while jamming Israeli signal corps electronic warfare system covering the middle east. This not only free’s up Syrian movement on the ground but also neighboring countries Israel controls with its western(german) electronic warfare capabilities(the silent war). Eventually middle eastern countries will figuare out the radio frequencies these weapons work with and develop their own countermeasures to Israel’s domination of the regional airwaves. We saw how quickly Russian ELINT changed the situation in the Donbass. Watch for this dynamic now in the middle east.

  4. Upon reading the first Part of “The Third Way” I’m now aware that virtually every major nation in Europe has atomic weapons and thus are all stockpiled not far from Russia – why would there be great alarm or surprise that thermobarics are being moved or positioned?

    And really, given all the pure evil that the US has perpetrated in the Ukraine I can only surmise that whatever russia is doing is in direct response to the machinations of the US and its allies in the region.

    OT but get a read of this if you have n’t already folks….WOW – http://fortruss.blogspot.com.au/2015/10/russia-does-not-discriminate-between.html

    Cheers

  5. On the sighting of the TOS-1 Buratino system with thermobaric warheads, I have two scenarios:

    First, I am going to extrapolate from what ‘The Saker’ has been pointing out for months. He has shown that Russia’s greatest ‘fear’ has been to be pulled into a formal invasion of The Ukraine. The Russian armed forces would win it quickly, but then be painted into a propaganda corner – a resurgent ‘Soviet Union’. Tactical win, but strategic loss. So, Russia has bent over backward to not appear aggressive, even to the point of neutering several Donbass advances after Ukrainian blitzkriegs were countered.

    With the above in mind, it would be foolish to the extreme to risk countering all Russia’s ‘goodwill’ buildup by deploying thermobarics. Fact: If you kill people with rifles, artillery, etc., it is ‘normal’. But if you use thermobarics, it is a propaganda disaster. (Strange world.) So, I would say the sighting is not real, or it is not Russian (or Donbass) tech.

    That said, if the sighting turns out to be real, it means Russia has decided that Ukrainian buildup of offensive forces has become dangerous to the point of possibly-overrunning Donbass defenders when the attack is initiated. A thermobaric weapon is perfect for targeting a massed offensive, even killing tank crews by the overpressure effects. So, in my view, Russia would be telling Ukrainian leaders not to try it. Pointedly.

  6. These are all good points. While the puppets are fighting real wars and killing and austerizing real folk, they still are puppets. Is it worth recognizing in this process who is running the puppets? These last few posts and their comments help me much with the what of the puppetshow. The who is what I’m questioning here. Where seems to be coming to us of its own accord. ME spreads to EU, Asia and on. When seems to be now. How is interesting. So is how much. Why? That comes later.

    A vision not necessarily as dark as WalkingDead’s and along his lines seems worth looking. Robert Schoch determined the sphinx to be much older and last heard mentioned his belief in 8 to 12 thousand years. By Velikovsky-ite standards, that’d be about right for that Breakaway-Civilization to break away. Are these the folk protecting those who finance wars from destruction by any and all malcontent players in those wars?

    Even in kabuki, there’s got to be the occasional player who goes after the management instead of the other players. How is it that the financiers of so many generations of wars (and genocide and pollution and degradation and…) have remained so safe and protected?

    http://www.amazon.com/As-World-Burns-Simple-Graphic/dp/1583227776/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1443924974&sr=8-13&keywords=derrick+jensen

  7. Joseph, You’ve done an OUTSTANDING job covering these events. Truly top notch!! I don’t know about anybody else but the speed which events are unfolding and the implications will require me going brain dead for a couple of days. Turning off the computer and the news flow and putting on some uplifting music and taking in some of the fall foliage because I suspect things aren’t going to slow down. So I might as well do it for myself.

  8. In the 18th century, Adam Smith said that the people who own society make policy: the merchants and manufactures. Today, it’s the progandized financialized/security deep-state and her transnationals/multinational front. Fascist neloliberals to their core.

  9. The White House and the Pentagramaphone are in damage control, and they expect the MSM to get them out of it. When a major power is caught with their pants down what do they do, LIE, and there you have the US foreign policy in a nutshell.

  10. Propaganda and false flags go together like beer and football, like sand and petroleum, and like bagels and lox, so get ready for an onslaught.

    China has already snarked the US about the latest mass shooting, officially calling it “routine.” They know these are controlled and ginned up on demand and are saying so.

    Also, the USAF just destroyed a Doctors Without Borders hospital in Afghanistan and murdered dozens, and released a curt statement regretting “collateral damage.”

    You have to wonder at the timing, frankly. It couldn’t be worse from a propaganda viewpoint, almost as if it were deliberate, sabotage if you will.

    As for the OSCE report of thermobarics in Ukraine and wider implications, Russia may well drain that other festering swamp in a blitz as well, and send Langley, Cookies Nudelman and John McInsane truly reeling. Seeing that US allies are already nuking the ME, hard to see how this bit of “be afraid! be outraged!” is worse.

    This is a bold but nonetheless essential move from Russia. They had to do this; they saw they were being cornered with all these color revolutions, proxy wars and Islamic terror puppets and that they were next, and they are resetting the ME chessboard and tipping the balance of power. They have gained allies in China and Iran and Iraq will certainly gain others if their moves play out well. They have already gained huge respect in calling out the US and shutting down their Syrian OP and calling them out with boldness and no-nonsense assurance.

  11. Just when Putin’s speech that the United States was behind ISIS and bombing Syrian and Iraq vital infrastructure instead of ISIS positions we get another mass shooting to focus the sheeple’s attention back home. Seems these mass shootings are more and more conveniently occurring when there is a desperate need for a domestic distraction from foreign policy folly.

  12. Ah now, you guys, don’t be giving Putin a pass on this. If this Daily Mail article had pointed the finger at the US you would have pounced on that as proof of your suspicions. Keep an open mind on these things, otherwise it’s no different than believing everything the US does is right. They’re all in this for themselves and Putin is no better than the rest of the lot. It’s just as bad to make him a saint as it is to demonize his every action.

  13. All the World is a stage and whoever rules this place is playing a deadly game with game pieces that bleed suffer and die for it’s twisted amusement. Europe seems to have no sense of benefit or security it seems never to have such a idea it exist in a bubble of it’s own making unaware of it’s effects on the rest of the planet.

  14. Who could believe Washington, which rejects multilateral treaties as if it were a sport? Whose deadly rifle scopes crosshair labor and completely dismiss, by inaction: economic and cultural rights, endangered species, pollution, armed conflicts, peacekeeping, nuclear weapons, the law of the sea, and the discrimination against women? Who can believe Washington whose special forces snatch suspects[those who speak truths] off the streets and torture them in some undisclosed location? Who interrogate without counsel or rights? Whose parrot press screech that these actions are legal because they comply with American law?
    Doesn’t Washington realize that principals are valid only if they are universal?
    Or, does Washington believe that their rogue state is powerful enough to alchemize might into right with never ending impunity? So that U.S. actions are legitimate because they say so. That their bold face lies are legitimate because their parrot press screeches in choir unison?
    Perhaps hegemonic power offers the opportunity to become a rogue state, freely defying international law and norms, while facing increasing resistance abroad and contributing to her own decline through these neoliberalized self-inflicting mortal wounds of arrogance, believing her actions are without consequence.
    I for one, cannot stomach anything these for-profit talking-heads read on their propaganda teleprompters. Or, in all their news that fit to print on Her Majesty’s Rags.

  15. Maybe the NAZI ITERNATIONAL is itself a front for Corporate Fascism along with Fundamentalist belief systems. Being deliberately funded and spread of late around the World. As for blaming Russia that has been a centuries old meme in Europe they’re the perfect bogeyman, fall guys whenever Europe screws up around the World.

    1. I suspect that these fundamentalist belief systems, such as Nazism or corporate fascism, are modern manifestations of very old beliefs, or even purpose. A Tower of Babel phase may not necessarily require something so kinetic or blunt, confounding ideas is akin to confounding language.

  16. With our Corporate Oligarchs awash in more money than they can burn. Maybe they’re the ones supplying these weapons letting the official governments take the fall for their use. As for blaming Russia that’s a centuries old meme the ultimate fall guys bogeymen for Europe when they step in the sh*** pile as usual.

  17. There is a minute possibility that Putin has placed himself in a position which may come back to bite him in an unpleasant place. While his intentions may be honorable, what comes of it may be something else entirely, through no fault of his own. The inclusion of thermo baric weaponry into the mix may not be coming from the West or Russia. There is a another player on the world stage, which has been hidden until recently, but is slowly coming to light.
    I have had a nagging suspicion for some time that the “Breakaway Civilization” is much older than is thought. I believe we may find out that what we see happening in the world today is the culmination of an extremely long term plan to achieve a one world government; the leadership of which will be that very same “Breakaway Civilization”. In essence, a return of the antediluvian world, the history of which has been so meticulously hidden from us.
    There are always many layers to this groups plans. The obvious layers are discernible, but the much deeper and longer range layers elude us until they are revealed layer by layer. That the world is being steered toward global conflict is apparent, what follows is may be discernible. Many goals of this group would be satisfied including mass population reduction, consolidation of resources, and the essential enslavement of mankind under their world leadership.

    Only time will tell.

    Of course, I could just be seeing things that just aren’t there, too. It is, after all, just a nagging suspicion.

  18. The oligarch press focus is currently off the Ukraine. And of course little or nothing about a tottering Deutsche Bank or even about the refugee crisis so closely related with the Syrian mess.
    Perhaps soon, with hindsight we will be able to see how all the anti-Russian hysteria has gone the way of ebola, swine flu, bird flu and so on…

  19. The anti-Russian propaganda definitely began before the Ukraine mess started. You might recall that in the months leading up to the Sochi Winter Olympics, there was an endless stream of articles about how “corrupt” Putin’s Olympics were. As the games neared and reporters began to arrive, all the early stories were about unfinished hotel room, toilet that didn’t flush etc. They clearly tried to paint the whole thing as a farce led by a delusional & incompetent dictator named Putin.

    And then during the midst of the Games, the coup went down in Kiev and it’s been off to the races ever since.

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