YOU TELL ME: OTTOMANIA, OR NOT?
With all the events going on in the Middle East since the abortive American attempt to overthrow the Assad government via proxies and "covert ops", one of the things that has been lost in the shuffle is Turkey's role, which, if you've been following that, has been to intervene in northern Syria, partially in an effort to deal with what it perceives as a Kurdish problem, and partially to...well... does the term Ottomania come to mind?
While I haven't said much about Turkey's important role, it would be said that the mess is as much of Ankara's making as it is of Washington's or Riyadh's. But when Mr. D.K. shared this, it was a topic worth mentioning, for if this story is true, then Turkey's role may be less than "altruistic", or less even, than simply a desire to be "rid of a problem" like the Kurds:
Justice Ministry expands tasks of committee following up on theft of industrial facilities
That's right: Syria's justice ministry is investigating allegations that Turkish intervention has been, in effect, a plundering operation, dismantling Syrian manufacturing infrastructure and shipping it back to Turkey:
Justice Minister Najm al-Ahmad issued a decision on Friday on expanding the tasks of the legal committee formed in August to prepare legal action against the terrorist gangs that dismantled industrial facilities in Aleppo and Idleb provinces and smuggled them to Turkey.
The new resolutions stipulates that, in addition to its original tasks of prosecuting any legal or natural persons that contributed to the aforementioned stealing of facilities, the committee is now tasked with preparing legal action on the cases related to the dismantling of industrial facilities in the provinces of Deir Ezzor, Raqqa, Hasaka, and Qamishli, and/or the stealing of any materials and equipment imported for facilities within Syria within the same provinces, and transporting them to Turkey.
Terrorist organizations supported by the government of Recep Tayyip Erdogan have dismantled dozens of factories in northern Syria, particularly in Aleppo, and smuggled them to Turkey.
The story comes amid visits both of the Saudi and Turkish ambassadors to Moscow in the past few days, and even signals that Russia is attempting to broker an easing of tensions between Saudi Arabia and Iran:
High-level Iranian and Saudi visits to Moscow raise speculation - http://rbth.com/international/2015/08/19/high-level_iranian_and_saudi_visits_to_moscow_raise_speculation_48607.html)
Granted, while the second article is dated, it does indicate that Russia means business in the region, and is determined to put an end both to terrorist activities, and then tensions and interests behind them. It remains to be seen, however, if Russia will adopt a simiar tough attitude vis-a-vis Iran and Hezbollah. There are also stories like this:
Saudi foreign minister in Moscow for Syria-focused talks
So what might Moscow's game be, in the light of all that has unfolded? My high octane speculation of the day is that Moscow is attempting to call Washington's "war on terrorism" bluff in a major way. After all,. how can one have a war on terrorism when one supports one of its most egregious state sponsors? If this view is correct, then Moscow will also be attempting to put pressure on Tehran to end its sponsorship of groups like Hezbollah. Russia's launch of the cruise missiles from the Caspian sea, viewed in this hypothetical context, was therefore as much about sending messages to Riyadh, and erstwhile ally Tehran, as it was about sending messages to Washington. Growing Chinese influence and reliance upon Riyadh's and Tehran's oil will inject another element of pressure on the two Islamist regimes.
In that light, this story appeared, which I leave in the "you tell me category," for it alleges that Mr. Putin issued some very sharp words to Mr. Erdogan, words which imply that the quasi-Ottoman "revisionism" policy that Turkey is embarked upon could end up backfiring;
Putin to Muslim Turkish Ambassador: “Tell your dictator President he can go to hell along with…”
The source for these allegations is, let it be noted, allegedly the Moscow times. If so, it wouldn't be the first time that Mr. Putin's government has issued strong words. And with the Russian intervention in Syria, Moscow has served notice that it intends to back them up. I suspect, therefore, that behind the scenes, Moscow is letting everyone in the region know that the terrorism card no longer plays, and that it's much better to get along, to make beneficial progress for all. In this highly charged atmosphere in the Middle East, it is a good thing that cooler heads have prevailed in the White House and the State department, for the war on terror seems to have included, recently, an ongoing power struggle between Mr. Obama and the warhawks in the national security establishment who have, in their track record, only lit the middle East aflame, while accomplishing next to nothing in an actual war against terrorism.
The bottom line? I'm speculating that the message from Moscow and Beijing, privately, and behind the scenes, is that Riyadh and Tehran can either be part of the war on terror for real, or not; they can be cooks in the kitchen, or entres on the menu...
But that, of course, is really high octane speculation. This is one for the "you tell me" category...
See you on the flip side...
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SYRIA: PEACE IS AT HAND
Not only is the Muslim Brotherhood protectorate of Erdogan’s Turkey in trouble, but also all those creating chaos & destroying the Mideast for purposes of looting & control are vulnerable (e.g., U.S. NeoCons & NeoLibs, Saudis, Qataris, Israelis etc.).
After coup puppet Poroshenko conceded defeat in Ukraine on March 26, Putin & allies turned their sights onto Syria for a turkey shoot. Obama knew this but could not openly concede defeat. Obama had a choice: “Lead, Follow or Get Out of the Way.” Obama chose Door #3. Obama & Putin are now aligned — even as Obama & Co. continue their bellicose bluster in public.
Obama & Putin are rapidly orchestrating a P5+1-style Syria deal in Vienna. U.S./allies now agree to eliminate all terrorists in Syria. Assad agrees to let Syrian peoples decide his fate in 2016 elections. Checkmated militarily, U.S. coalition members will soon do a deal.
Erdogan’s Turkey was not the only Syrian looter. U.S. oil companies knowingly facilitated sale of ISIS oil to fund ISIS. So, they too are legally vulnerable. NeoCon think tanks & foundations also facilitated weapons, intelligence, advisors & public relations for ISIS & other al-Qaeda-affiliated Muslim Brotherhood terrorists in Syria & Iraq. They too are toast.
Russia & the Syrian Justice Minister know all this and may soon have help from western law firms in plundering the looters & pillagers in international courts.
Quick anti-Syria & anti-Russia sanctions removal would restart Mideast & global economies and reverse refugee flows. With BRICS-initiated but self-inflicted western-markets, monetary & banking crashes now impending, the West may have no other choice than to give peace a chance. When peace is inevitable, relax & enjoy it. Yes, peace is at hand.
please do expand more on this. and more in more updated posts by joseph.
“…the warhawks in the national security establishment who have, in their track record, only lit the middle East aflame, while accomplishing next to nothing in an actual war against terrorism.”
Stepping back for a longer view of things, I suspect that the warhawks (aka Zionists) have accomplished exactly what they wanted to do:
In the beginning (grin), there were a small number of fairly-powerful nations surrounding a nascent Israel. They had a united purpose.
Some of these nations were ‘bought off’ – think Jordan and Egypt. Others have been ‘broken-up’ and are no longer capable of offensive operations – think Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq. And poor Libya.
Personally, I believe the ‘warhawks’ have succeeded brilliantly. No one is looking at a real invasion of Israel, now…
alright, warning. lost another couple posts here tonight.
here’s what little i remember. time for bed soon so this is short:
erdogan might have much less pull in dc now that hastert et al have to back off their child prostitute treasonous bribery rings that stretch across southeast asia and turkey. included are a long list of pedophillic lawmakers all the way to the top and back to and beyond the franklin scandal. even a retired dci has been mysteriously drowned over this.
thank you to james corbett, wayne madsen, sibel edmonds….
this is stuff the media won’t tell us. it is stuff that the emperor and his cronies will blackmail, graymail and step on each other over. and change their strategies and tactics over. as well as their goals.
One wonders how much more pull Erdogan can excercise with Mr Global in DC now that his treasonous lawmakers are not as easily bribed and managed with money and pedophile sex.
Although Creamer, Shakowsky and other Illinoisans (including top levels) will do their best. Hastert’s judge is a former campaign contributor who’s son worked with Hastert’s son. It’s all so incestuous and folk like Sibel Edmonds and Wayne Madsen have tied it in to South East Asia and Turkey.
It even ties in with the Franklin Scandal and to the knucklehead ped-pimp who had to confess to killing Joan Benet Ramsey to get extradited from South East Asia before authorities their snagged him on capital crimes.
Erdogan (like Nuttyyahoo) is and has been playing an extremely dangerous geopolitical game and is only able to get away with so much double dealing because of Turkey’s relatively unique geographical/strategically important size and location. One misstep could be literally fatal
The alleged quote sounds totally out of character for Putin, who is usually sphinxlike and would never show his hand so crudely in diplomatic negotiations. I’m not buying it. (Surely the Russians think that, but would never just out and out say it.)
Also, where is this Russian rift with Teheran, which is supplying the feet on the ground to complement Russian airpower in Syria? Rather, you have the outlines of an alliance forming, and they’re now even formally sharing intelligence between Russia, Iran, Iraq and Syria to drain the regional swamp of all and sundry terrorist groups. And alarm bells are going off in DC that Iraq may soon invite Russia formally to help them in their anti-terror efforts, since the US “help” has been decidedly ineffectual.
So you have major headwinds/blowback for DC’s duplicitous ME terrorist “policy,” which everyone has concluded is schizophrenic at best and which DC has managed to knot itself up in its own Chinese finger trap of hypocrisy. Now that the terrorist proxy cover is blown, the fallback is that vassal states take up the slack. Thus you now have the improbable saber-rattling of the Saudis and even the Kuwaitis, who are going to do what, exactly, in Syria? Bomb them with Ferraris and invade them with Pakistani “guest” workers?
Meanwhile, Erdogan, a vile character who seems to relish the idea of becoming a true tyrant, pillages everything that isn’t nailed down in Syria and foments civil unrest at home by attacking the Kurds and murderously crushing dissent. Well, that’s a winning strategy! Nothing like thinking long-term!
“Growing Chinese influence and reliance upon Riyadh’s and Tehran’s oil”. Not quite. Twice this year Russia has sold more oil to China than Saudi Arabia. That will increase because China can pay Rubles to Russia and save its US dollars for propping up its stock market. China was milking the Saudi cow to fill its strategic reserves at a huge discount. Once that is complete look for more from Russia and less from Saudi Arabia.
So Russia is fed up with the Turks. So are a lot of people. If Turkey doesn’t toe the line it will have to deal with a multi front war against the Kurds. Cut a deal or die time for the Turks.
how does this play out on the war on terror everywhere else? are we going to see fewer or more false flags and gladios inside the u.s.?
Re: “If this view is correct, then Moscow will also be attempting to put pressure on Tehran to end its sponsorship of groups like Hezbollah.”
Hezbollah is a Lebanese Islamic organization the entirety of whose social, political and charitable mission far transcends that of a “terrorist” group. Everyone entertaining the latter notion needs to do far more research employing great discrimination.
The quotes above (“Tell your dictator President he can go to hell along with…”) alleged to be Putin’s supposedly made to the Turkish ambassador are without credible sources. I tried to track them down and wound up running in circles.
Two articles worth adding to the stew of Ottomania:
Kremelot: Stalingrad Comes to Syria
The “Real” Cause of the Sudden Syrian Migrant Refugee Crisis into Europe. The Role of Turkey
There is an excellent recent interview with Sibel Edmonds and Lew Rockwell that’s called ISIS is US, and it’s mostly about Turkey, so go here…
Just scroll down for the interview, you can listen or download.
She tells it like it is in Turkey, just a great interview.
Well Western Europe and the Ottomans deserve each other. One pack of barbarians to another. What is the angle of the Western European elites propping up the sick man of Europe against Orthodox Christian and Eastern Christians in general anyway. CUI BONO?
The Vatican. They have been trying to destroy the Orthodox Church for 1,000 years. If they can use the Turks as a proxy army to do it, all the better. Like Rockefeller, they do not like competition and in any case didn’t you hear? 1,000 years after Jesus the Vatican decided that the Pope owns the planet , all people on the planet and all souls. They obviously failed to pay attention to Matthew 4
There are still heirs around from the House of Osman, I wouldn’t be surprised if we started hearing something about this…