FOR SHAME! SAY IT ISN’T SO! GERMANY CAUGHT SPYING ON ITS ...
Remember all the Angst and outrage from the Merkel government when She Who Is Not To Be Spied Upon, Frau Bundeskanzler, discovered that the American national security agency was tapping her cell phone? At the time, we read all the outraged op-ed pieces that it simply wasn't a good thing for allies to spy on each other. Indeed, consider the following RT article, reporting on a recent article on Germany's own international espionage efforts in Der Spiegel, shared by Mr. S.D.:
Germany ‘systematically spied’ on own allies on grand scale - Spiegel
As the RT article points out, the outrage expressed by the Merkel government is more than disingenuous:
Spying on friends is not acceptable,” German Chancellor Angela Merkel, whose mobile phone had also been tapped by the NSA, declared when the scandal broke.
There's really only two ways to read this, in the light of our high octane speculation of the day, but first, we must dispense, once again, of a naive idea that some people have, and that is the idea that allies don't spy on each other. To put this point "country simple," allies spy on each other all the time, and if that's still not clear, then maybe this will drive the point home: France spies on Italy, Germany, the UK, the USA, Japan, and just about every other major country; the UK spies on France, Italy, Germany, the USA, Japan, and just about every other major country; Italy spies on France, the UK, USA, Germany, and just about every other major country...and so on.
So we really shouldn't be all that surprised to read that when Frau Merkel was expressing outrage at American spying on her country, that behind her back, her fingers were crossed, knowing full well her own BND was spying on:
...the embassies and consulates of France, Great Britain, Sweden, Portugal, Greece, Spain, Italy, Austria, Switzerland, and even the Vatican...
not to mention
...the Ministries of Interior of Poland, Austria, Denmark and Croatia; US diplomatic missions at the EU and UN, as well as the US Treasury Department and Department of the Interior in Washington.
But there's a bigger story here, and it lies carefully hidden between the lines: "Spying on friends is not acceptable," said Chancellorin Merkel. And maybe she was telling the truth, insofar as the German intelligence community is concerned, for maybe the list above - and perticularly the American component, given its prominence - is no longer considered "friendly," and perhaps the revelation of the extent of German spying on the USA is really a symbol of the reassessment of the USA and its role that I have argued is slowly occurring in the capitals of the European powers, Berlin among them.
However, digging deeper exposes something else, and here comes our high octane speculation: that is the revelation that much of the German effort seems to be concentrated upon the embassies of various countries inside of Germany, and what this suggests is a massive and ongoing counter-intelligence effort; what exactly this may be, and why it's being conducted, the Germans are not saying, nor would they be expected to. But clearly the implication is that they are looking for something, a leak, or a network of leaks perhaps of an international nature, something that hides itself in and behind the embassies of "friendly nations." Additionally, one notes that this story is being carried to an English speaking audience by RT, notably, without the slightest suggestion of disapproval from that media outlet. And at the deepest level, there is yet another disturbing thing, for syping on the embassies of various nations, or on internal departments of government, suggests both a "humint"(human intelligence) capacity in the spied-upon countries, as well as a SIGINT (signals or electronic intelligence) capacity. We know what the historical antecedents for any German HUMINT capability against American intelligence are. The real question is, what precisely is the capability in electronic and signals intelligence?
Whatever is going on, my suspicion is this is a much bigger story than either RT or Der Spiegel are willing to admit, for there are questions of capability, resources, and motivation that are raised by the pattern of this activity, but no easy, and certainly no palatable, answers.
See you on the flip side...
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Germany has had the U S under a microscope for nearly 60 years now. The paperclip electronics experts who set up the NSA ELINT programs worked hand in hand with the paperclip rocketmen at NASA to set up satellite communications relays around the world. Germany has had the data link codes since when they first began using the space based intelligence gathering capabilities. To this day Germany can access any intelligence gathering system the US has in space and our ground electromagnetic systems and data banks as well, including HAARP. The little bavarian milk maid Merkel knows more about America than the pentagon. America thought it was King of the world,,,,,but the King has no clothes…….This is why Nazi collaborators like the Bush family put America in financial ruin and start illegal wars that make America guilty of crimes against Humanity. They are helping Germany destroy America slowly, with Americans chanting USA USA the whole time as we bully our way around the world like a crooked cop looking for a bribe. The CIA/NSA combination are not American, and the sooner Americans realize this the better. Everyone in charge of these organizations are Nazi collaborators,all of them since the 50’s,that’s why they can kill an American president on television and get away with it. Also why since Kennedy your choices for the presidency are always the lesser of two evils.
this all makes me concerned for russia more now than before chernobyl.
this was an rt article from 1/9/2015
combining this with the possible hit taken by their supercomputer last week.
forgot where i read this week that french services were blinded by cyber attack for 48 hours prior to and during their attack. anyone remember fukushima daiichi getting hit with stuxnet just before the tsunami?
as a general perspective, fwiw, i’ve found personal anectodal evidence that the persistent and extreme gladioization is hardening resolve of the younger folk who are still alive. conspiracy theory clubs (serious clubs) are cropping up at highschools. folk i meet at work in a very retail customer service gig seek me out in private to ask about how to handle conspiracy topics. intriguing since i’m careful to avoid such topics in my very public job. they bring up the topic. seems these careful, considerate and kind folk are baffled by the enormity of the task. they want to know how to research better.
instead of giving out names and links and amazing stories that convince and guide, i usually tell em to take it easy, take care of themselves and their own first and do their own research as with anything else. then i tell them to get a copy of “watership down” as soon as they can. if they get past that, i tell em to take a look at what’s out there on “childhoods end.”
a select few get through to a recommendation to read giza. i’m as concerned with scaring the bunnies into permanent tharn as i am with their flipping the switch completely off and lumping all the best sources in with jesse ventura and charlie sheen.
does anyone have worthy insights into how italians worked out after gladio was uncovered and publicized?
“Anyone remember Fukushima Daiichi getting hit with StuxNet just before the tsunami?”
I do. And, I have found that subject to be the most ‘enforced’ on the internet. Time and again, once StuxNet – and the subsequent compromises of the reactor safety systems – is brought up, there is an instant barrage of shout-downs and intimidation. Using the old truism, “The flak only gets heavy when you’re over the target,” this would indicate how scared TPTB are of this getting out.
On the other hand, if ordinary people can wrap their minds around this ‘betrayal’, it is just a short hop to pointing out that Reactor 4 was decommissioned for maintenance, had the top removed from the pressure vessel, and was defueled. So, how did it explode? Watching the ’tilt’ in the person – and then the dawning anger – is truly priceless…
Bamford’s genius. Hard to say how he’s still alive. At least with Seymour Hersch, we get some clues as to what he disinforms about. And justifies to Mr Global why to let him live. Bamford has been so spot on so long so well, he’s a wonder.
So what’s the best we can glean from this? Seems like a tactic here or there is the best. Can we get to strategy or goals from here?
For me, this article brought up what I read in a good book, “The Puzzle Palace: Inside the National Security Agency, America’s Most Secret Intelligence Organization” by John Bamford (1982). The scene was in post-WWI America. American signals intelligence groups had been told to shut down, enmasse.
Herbert Yardley, the head of one signals intelligence group, thought this was a bad idea. So, he kept his group clandestinely reading foreign secrets. What he found was that there was an organized, behind-the-scenes ‘effort’ going on – probably what we know these days as the Rothschild-backed political and economic structure.
Yardley’s ‘agency’ eventually became known to the American Secretary of State, Stimson, who promptly shut them down. Stimson infamously stated, “Gentlemen don’t read each others’ mail,” as a justification for his action. Of course, this left the Rothschild-backed faction to proceed with their plans, unmonitored…
So everybody is looking over the back fence of everybody else’s back yard fence, big deal. The one thing that amazes me is the “cost”. The number of people who work in US intelligence is in the hundreds of thousands, and the tax payer gets the bill.
This is all because there HAS TO BE a bad guy, and that bad guy is a threat to, here it comes, National Security. The catalyst for all of this was 9/11 for the US, now what dear reader, does one do to stop another 9/11, answer SPY !!!. If this is surprising, go read “Spycatcher” by Peter White, this book is all about spying, and what they were doing all those years ago, without the techno. and probably at a fraction of the cost.
Hundreds of thousands would only account for those directly on the payroll. It would number in the several millions if you included all of their “assets”; and that would be just the US alone. Intelligence has always been a tool of the aristocracy and the bankers and, until recently, the real war in the background was between these two factions. That changed in the early 1900’s when the bankers finally won that war with the implementation of all the central banks. Since then they have turned their attention to the rest of us and their endgame.
The irony here, is the costs paid by the public purse is going towards the “Private” “spy” contractors. Most of the spies have been privatized.
The spying is done with an eye towards an end game in cutting the public completely out of any participation in governance; except in “name” only. Today there is at least some residue of rights won by past generations, in demanding changes by strong public actions. Nothing was given to the people; they had to take it. Now those hard won rights are being stripped-out by the private sector.
So who are they spying for?
Or, more importantly, against?
The theoretical distinction between State and private is that the former has a monopoly on the use of force. When other parties use unbridled force they are defined as criminal. So there are a lot of criminals around…
In history the state hasn’t always had a monopoly on force.
Sometimes private power had a power of force that either challenged or exceeded the states’.
What matters here is the frame and/or perspective from which to read this.
Of course, deceit is within the “dna” of “human”. First there is self deceit/deception. All flows from therein.
On the next level from the individual is the group.
From which group are you?
A nation-state. A internationalist? A peoples’ perspective? A 1% or 99% perspective? A NWO perspective? An illuminati? An off-world perspective? An extra state perspective? Or perhaps, a breakaway civilization perspective,?
In other words, Qui Bono?
To peel away the layers of deception in the spy game is a complex matryoshkra doll delux.
Robert, a topic from an older thread, but I thought you would enjoy it. Posting it here, so it will be read…
thesaker dot is/reconceptualizing-the-tpp-the-brotherhood-of-the-three-blocs/
“What one should never forget, however, is that the TPP has clauses that hand de-facto political rights to corporations, thus making it the world’s first formalized system of post-modern ‘government’ or ‘economic governance’. To put it bluntly, transnational economic actors begin exercising political rights over populations and their elected governments, while neither of these two subjects is able do the same to the corporations, thus creating a top-down vertical of power.”
Comment by zweistein under that article:
“TPP is the Ermächtigungsgesetz of global Fascist Corporatism. How so?
An example: The city of Hope ratifies a new law that forbids the selling of rat poison as salad dressing. Company Monstersilly sues Hope for $10 billions in expected future lost revenue, citing binding TPP regulations. The case comes to the TPP court. Hope and Monstersilly defend their positions and can’t reach a deal.
And here it gets really grotesque. Because according to secret, unpublished, undisclosed TPP regulations, it is now up to a third party – whose authority is above all local, state-level, national and international laws – to decide the outcome of the case Hope vs. Monstersilly.
And who is this third party?
An ‘independent’, Banker-controlled, private law firm in New York. No kidding.”
I made a ‘reply’ that went “poof”[perhaps it will reappear?]
Basically it looks a lot like Dr. Farrell’s latest book the Third Way. As you know that was the German WW1 inside-plan to takeover Europe, that is now being brought to fruition through the Troika.
It’s cousin, the TPP/TTIP, is being brought to the other side of the world
Both the Third Way and TPP/TTIP have been marching in lock-step, or is it in Nazi goose steps?
yep it’s acting up again. perhaps we’re getting our share of mr global’s hacks. suggest printing every screen just before or after posting and/or cut and pasting every post.
Good to see that your quite aware of TPP/TTIP –
so unlike the world’s media whores and pundits, making a show of informing their subscribers/viewers. The public has been paraded with charades of talking-head puppets, reading brain-dead teleprompter questions, with the predictable off-the-rack answers from usual air-head puppets.
Not a discouraging word, across the vast amber waves of grain, about TPP.
Your right about the corporate tribunals taking over the functions of the judiciary. The technocrats replacing the legislative and elected officials worldwide[wherever the TPP/TTIP footprint has been rubber-stamped across the face of humanity. A footprint that’s copyright protected by military might. Where might makes right; both in domestic & foreign policies. Where the public’s right to know has ben purchased and rendered fodder for the ignorant masses that wonder what happened?
No, I do not think your kidding.
But who do they think they’re kidding with this fascist boot termed the TPP?
The spy vs. spy, the refugee’s, the comedy between the West/East, the false flag events, etc. are all various scenes in a play. They are put on the stage to keep your eyes off the real tragedy. These people are all actors playing their assigned roles with the strings pulled by the hidden hands. This is all designed to keep your attention away from what is really going on, the takeover of the earth by the corporations and those who own them. Those who would be gods on earth, who basically desire to own it all.
Once they do, then the only thing left to devour will be each other until only one remains. Of course, by then, there wont be many of the slaves remaining. The coming war they have planned will see to that while they hide out in their prepared bunkers.
This is the way it has been throughout history. One would think we would have caught on by now; but how can that happen when the media, the governments, the economies and everything else is under their control. They control the mainstream and the opposition, they have infiltrated every aspect of life. From the moment of our birth till our death we have been told what to believe, how to act, and how to react by their propaganda machines. They would have us believe they are omniscient, have only our best interests at heart, and they have the divine right to rule every moment of our unaware lives.
It would seem we have fallen for it.
If they’re willing to do what it takes to force through and implement TPP doesn’t that suggest that the end game is some way into the future. Otherwise, why go to all the bother of forcing it through by any means possible? Maybe this is their final push towards total supremacy of everything. Clearly they want everything this planet has to offer right down to the very last gram of precious metal. Maybe we are a slave race and once our reptilian overlords have plundered the lot, destroying the environment while they’re at it, they’ll all clear off and leave the remaining humans to perish on an inhospitable space rock. Of course the ‘lucky’ 500 million or so will be beamed off world and dropped onto the next earth like planet to start the whole perpetual saga off again.
What do you expect from the Barbarians from Teutobergerwald and whos civil government at the surrender at the end of forty five was absent at that event.
“Shocked! I’m shocked, I say!”
Well, pot meet kettle; kettle, this is pot.
But more seriously, what is really important here is the timing of the story, coming right after the Paris attacks and the sudden urgency regarding the wisdom of Germany throwing open its borders and welcoming (quite literally, at least at the outset) the ME hordes with flowers at the banhof.
Well, that sure has changed and Merkel’s gov’t is being seriously challenged and frankly is under political seige, and this “the hypocrite is spying on our neighbors but flung the doors open to let Muslim strangers take the silverware” is pointing out serously misplaced priorities, and is yet another volley being lobbed against her.
Spying on and by embassies has been going on since the time of Walsingham and Giordano Bruno, when permanent facilities started to replace temporary missions…