MR. PUTIN HAS A LIST…
Mr. Putin has a list
Its crimes were as black as pitch
And everywhere the USA would go
The list was sure to follow...
Ok ok, it's not Donne or Keats or Shelley, but during this holiday tiime as most people in the west are compiling their shopping lists and party lists and guest lists, this list may have been shuffled right off the radar of attention, but many people sent me various versions of this story, and, in the wake of the Paris attacks, it's worth investing some high octane speculation in it.
Putin: ISIS financed from 40 countries, including G20 members
Now, as many of you who sent various versions of this story to me pointed out, this story seems not to have made the western lamestream media at all. And for obvious reasons:
President Vladimir Putin says he’s shared Russian intelligence data on Islamic State financing with his G20 colleagues: the terrorists appear to be financed from 40 countries, including some G20 member states.During the summit, “I provided examples based on our data on the financing of different Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) units by private individuals. This money, as we have established, comes from 40 countries and, there are some of the G20 members among them,” Putin told the journalists.
Surprise surprise, though most readers of this site are probably already aware that the USA and its allies had a large share in the funding and training of ISIS. Then Mr. Putin goes on to say, according to the RT article, something unusual, acknowledging that ISIS has grown into an international threat, requiring international cooperation:
It’s not the right time to try and figure out which country is more and which is less effective in the battle with Islamic State, as now a united international effort is needed against the terrorist group, Putin said.
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“We really need support from the US, European nations, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iran,” the president added. (Emphasis added)
Now, there's two basic ways to read this, and one of them, predictably, will come from the "New World Order-everything-is-secretly coordinated" crowd, who will simply read such statements as yet another detail and data-bit supporting their contention that everything is theater, ISIS is just a pawn of the New World Order crowd, nothing to see here, move along. To that crowd I can only repeat what I've observed in the past: funding and training of a radical group like ISIS doesn't mean control of such a group. At best, it means only influence within it, and the degree of influence is always subject to debate and discussion. The best historical example of course is the now well-known connection between some circles of the American financial elite, and the rise of Nazism in Germany. In the end, whatever influence this gave the Sullivan-and-Cromwell crowd within Nazism, it wasn't enough to convince Herr Hitler not to go on a rampage. I suspect the same situation holds here; money, weapons, and training to a group of radicals like Nazis or ISIS doesn't mean they will always dance to your tune.
The other way is to indulge in an expansion on my high octane speculation of the pattern in Middle East, and Russia-West geopolitics that seems to be emerging in the past few months, for I submit that whether or not the recent attacks were false flag attacks, or a genuine ISIS action conducted without the knowledge and/or approval of its hidden financiers, the end result is the same: people are now waking up to the very real and present threat that a radicalized international Islamicist movement poses. Enter Mr. Putin's statemnet, explicitly mentioning Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Iran.
By now it is known that Iran is supportive of Russia's efforts in Syria, and it is also a fairly well-known fact that Saudi Arabian connections exist in the backing of Al Qaeda, the Mouhajeddin, and so on, and that this "exportation of Sunni Wahhabism" is of concern to Shia nations such as Iran. Iran, too, has been a back of Hezbollah. My point in mentioning all this is that the "war on terror" is also occurring in a wider and old historical context of the struggles between the Shia and Sunni branches of Islam. In addition to this, Turkey, as I and others have pointed out, is also relapsing into a more "Islamicist" mode under Mr. Erdogan, and using the Middle East instabilities as crises of opportunity to widen its influence.
These are the three nations Mr. Putin has explicitly mentioned in his announcement that Russia has "followed the money", and made the information known to the G20 members. In other words: "Gotcha!" He may be playing a very subtle game, in other words, and that game is not simply about who is supporting ISIS, but also to point out that the state sponsors of terrorism extend much father than the usual western suspects. In a subtle way, he may be trying to point out that so long as such states continue in their support of such groups, no real headway on the war on terror can be made without a concerted international coalition saying "Enough is enough!" Or as I've said elsewhere, it may be that some of these nations are on the long-term menu.
High octane speculattion? To be sure, but it occurs in the context of the Paris attacks, and how Europee will respond. And already, there are signs that the European powers are reassessing the whole Russia-West history since the collapse of the Soviiet Union and German reunification with new eyes...
See you on the flip side...
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This is odd and normal at the same time. I agree with all here. What I appear to disagree with is the points that I think are not yet fully developed. Dr Farrell’s points are valid and well received. Where our commenters points seem to counter his, they’re simply developing them further. That’s an easy task considering we’re commenting after reading his statements.
Granted Hitler’s financiers probably didn’t have complete control on a permanent basis. They also didn’t need it. The boogeyman they were providing to control the slave population never did threaten them directly very much. Even folk as close to the drama as Thyssen were able to play both sides throughout the drama. And there are a number of such biographies that are worthy reads as regards today’s scenarios.
Throughout my point is that war vs not-war (not the same as peace) is these knuckleheads’ ultimate Hegelian dialectic (aka control drama). They may push us into war with them or against them as was done with Hitler and whoever. It would appear they (mr global) prefer to restrict our choices away from war or no war.
Gladio doesn’t get much more obvious with such repeated use. The biggest questions that come up repeatedly always involve who what where and when. And it does seem the usual mercenaries (Xe, CACI,…) running ops (Boston Marathon, Sandy Hook, Colorado Theater, Hebdo,….) To date was seems oddest is the false nature of these false flags. Youtube is rife with videos that give the lie to the casualties and msm accepted conspiracy theories in these incidents. When 3 different videos from 3 different cellphone cameras posted within an minutes of an incident, it’s hard to deny that Hebdo’s shooters fired ak47’s filled with blanks at point blank range.
So eventually we all get to why. The first why, is purely curiosity based. Why all these false flags with staged crisis actor events? Then why false flags with actual vicious killings? Then why all these Gladios? Where exactly are the sheep supposed to run? What exactly are the sheep supposed to do?
Has mr global ever given thought to the idea that some sheep are sharp enough that it might be easier to simply speak directly to us? And/or try a couple ideas that might be in all our interest? Who knows? Maybe publish some ideas that aren’t flat out lies? Maybe even a couple ideas that help us live better? easier? stronger? safer? more carefully?
Well the false flags and violence usually have pretty obvious goals, sway public opinion so that it aligns with the real perpetrators. With opinion on their side they get the sheeple to believe in and/or fight their battles. I asked myself the same question about the crisis actors, until I realized it’s exactly the same thing. The crisis acting is so terrible, it’s as if they are shouting “this is fake” from a rooftop. A majority of the population is a tad slow on the uptake, but I’ve watched a surprising amount of people pull their heads’ out of the sand because of them. In the end it serves to reorient opinion against the establishment, make people question everything, hopefully they remain awake afterwards. So maybe a portion of the PTB aretrying to send us a message…. Of course they might instead be about sowing fear, distraction from something else, and serve to pull the semi awake individuals down the rabbit hole into the land of “CERN was built to summon satan, but don’t worry the aliens will save us.”
Are National Socialists of the Nazi persuasion (globalists) running the hidden government, and also responsible for the assassination of JFK? Author and veteran conspiracy analyst Jim Mars is convinced…
http://www.infowars.com/jfk-the-chilling-truth/
More emerging revelations…
Judyth Vary Baker “The Cancer Epidemic: Causes, Crimes, Corruption” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMXc7ZDLLNM
Reality Talk with Judyth Vary Baker at the Open Mind Conference 2015 Deconstructing the JFK assassination. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX2jNsMyaAw
Once again this exemplifies the current systemic failure of the current way in which society is organized. Organized in such a way that insane policies are being enacted that is not in mankind’s best interest. As in Putin’s list of the usual suspects that run these insane policies through to what ends? William F Engdahl came to the same conclusion in his recent blog on the Paris attacks; also, on the GMO chickens coming home to roost.
He arrives with the same analogy as Dr. Farrell of that between the ISIS of today bearing striking similarities with the Nazis just before WW11. Both were manufactured by those in power; and both seemingly got out-of-control.
The threads are all coming together in a number of disparate fields, and that is this: contemporary society’s organization is dangerously unprepared for the dramatic changes it is about to experience, down this technological road on which it is already travelling at an ever accellating pace.
I respectfully disagree with Dr. Farrell. The Nazi movement and Hitler, just like Franco and Mussolini were funded by financiers at their inception only to be hijacked by industrI a list aristocrats, and in the case of Hitler, by the esoteric secret societies at a much later stage.
ISIS is a modern version of the Ayatohllas and European Terrorist groups of the 70’s: ETA,red brigades etc… and PLO to some extent, Whose actions were always censored by the puppet masters. Nothing was left to improvisation and same logic here.
No self respecting terrorist operating on their own and relying on limited resources would expose itself to the risk and public opinion condemnation by partaking in the mass be headings and other displays of cruelty.The free displays of ISIS reality TV brings back memories of the exact same images that I was treated to as a kid during the early 70,s in Spain and being shown all sorts of atrocities by ETA perpetrated in their victims… all during prime time before bedtime. Citizens had to be made aware of the power of the Minotaur.
When you continue to follow that “money” up to its origins, you’ll find more than just financiers & industrialists – you’ll find national security apparatuses – where the buck has supposedly stopped. But, instead that’s where any investigation has been stopped dead in its tracks.
Beyond the national security state is where you’ll find the international villains. Beyond that, if you dig deep, you may find something out-of-this-world.
Robert, I fully agree with that… although my own working hypothesis is that the out-of-this-world component has already chosen which faction will be calling the shots on their behalf… going forward, after some major engineered breakthrough comes to pass…
I don’t see a “they” that is coherently, one; although, leaders might “think/believe” in a so-called one.
Chosen? What a loaded dice that is.
This all smacks of “Gladio” to me, and who runs the Gladio teams, NATO, and there you have it. The message IS, forget about “leaving” NATO, if you are even thinking of leaving NATO, then we are going to keep sending you “messages”. NATO is the west’s ace card in the hole, and they are not going to stand by and see all that “organized” paramilitary go the way of the dodo bird. Now what was all that “the Ukraine” stuff about ????
It may be true that those who finance and train extremist groups may not necessarily control everything they do. And that most of what is being said is very partial. It’s curious that the US-sponsored conspiracy theory says that “IS” etc. just happen to be financed by US allies, but they are actually a non-State entity, in other words, a “breakaway” group that diabolically manipulates State entities into getting them support.
So they grant the importance of non-State entities; but these entities could include financial-industrial-military conglomerates which among other things could fit the bill for a “Nazi International”.
The role of Turkey inevitably calls to mind the historical roots of jihadism in precisely that country hand in hand with Germany. While the sultans and the kaisers are no longer around, there could arguably be a Turkish geopolitical interest, encouraged by the vision of their own historical routes and national identity, in destabilizing those Arab territories that were dominated by them for several centuries.
And other parties, of whatever ideological persuasion, feel that they can benefit from the Syrian conflict.
Then of course there is a “super-conspiracy” theory according to which the worst aspects of the monotheistic religions are being deliberately fomented in order to foist a single worldwide “gnostic” religion. But of course even if some entities are working to this end, this does not mean that they have much if any chance of achieving it…
Greetings DT! My assertions here are likely dismissed, but I’m going to make another!
France has more members that link to the Ancient Group sitting in positions of power than they do “good guys”. So, they are Cabal controlled and are playing roughly with their toys in their backyard.
Notice the next sham happened in Mali; another one of their backyards. (Remember when Germany wanted their gold back and practically the next day, France and the USA were in Mali saving the worl… oops… looting gold in a hurry.)
I’m waiting for the next ISIS attack to be staged in Australia. Another one of their backyards that isn’t close to anything the higher members deem important!
In fact Centauri behind the rhetoric of “legalité républicaine” it is still hard to find serious debate inside and outside France about lots of aspects such as collaborationist Vichy, and the continuous post-war interference in the Sahel countries that used to be French West Africa.
Why is it that both mainstream and “alternative” commentators tend to single out British colonialism, neglecting France’s still fairly substantial empire (Guyana home of the French/EU space programme, Polynesia and the sadly atomic-bomb-blasted Pacific atolls…)?
I just think that ISIS-DEASH is a resurrection of the BARBARY PIRATES-BRETHERN OF THE COAST. So called ISLAMIC TERRORISM is a cover as piracy in the past for our psychopathic elites to carry out their nefarious games around the World. Putin seems to be the only Western leader willing to put a end to these deadly games.
The weaponization and covert exploitation of demographics as a means to destabilize and infiltrate targets, is being implemented under a guise of legitimate refugee status and “immigration.” If there is anything remaining of the naturalization process, this lawful means has been all but totally abandoned. The Syrian refugee bomb has created what is made to appear a “humanitarian crisis” so as to appeal to a normal human response of charity and compassion. This refugee bomb has redirected attentions away from more critical issues.
Proxy war and engineered pretexts are destroying, not protecting peace and security.
Engineered to destroy
by design.
Holy Toledo you hit the nail right on the head, this is just another form of organized crime set up to operate in the middle east,carrying out contracts for money under the disguise of mis guided religious fanatics. Reminds me of hearing the Mafia bosses quoting the bible when they were on trial in Italy and America,like throwing some guy into a meat grinder for not paying his gambling debts on time was holy retribution or some homo priest telling you how you make love to your wife is a sin if you enjoy it,,,,,,,its all crap just like the religious angle these ISIS guys promote as justification for them to be lawless. Its an old story,,like royalty,do as I say ,not as I do.
The War on Terror is almost a big a failure as the War on Drugs. Where the price is way down and the potency is way up. Hence, the longer the US “prosecutes” it’s alleged WOT the more terror will spring up like toad stools. The Sheeple need to learn they are being fleeced. Where chaos is being manufactured. So, the PTB can bring their brand of NWO into existence.
Think about why these war-on programs are failures,are they meant to fail,are they just public covers to hide the profiteering that’s going on? Is the government itself making money on these illegal enterprises. The biggest cocaine smuggler (pilot)in the 80’s ,Buz Sawyer , was a CIA asset all his adult life.Yet Reagan and George Bush said “just say no to drugs”. Reagan protected the world wide heroin trade in 1981 as soon as he took office,halting the largest planned heroin trafficking bust in the worlds history that Jimmy Carter had arranged. The American people have been turned into whores. Just stop bending over everytime the news media lie’s to you.
I’m not sure that I buy the idea that the Paris attacks were somehow the act of Islamic radicals on a rampage. As to how much control western covert actors have over them, who knows. But the attack did happen on 11/13 which seems to be in keeping with the number magic of western occult elites. And especially in this case with that weird Economist cover featuring two arrows with the cryptic numbers 11.5 and 11.3 (easily rearranged into 11.13.15) placed next to a painting that happens to hang in the Louvre. There was also at least one eye witness report saying that the gunmen were white, clean shaven and had the muscular build of professional soldiers.
France has clearly been on the receiving end of a number of attacks this year. Personally, I think it’s a rather dirty message coming from Nato/USA that you’re either with us or against and you really don’t want to be against us. Ant the message applies to Germany too hence the symbolic meaning of the somewhat failed attack at the France/Germany soccer match where President Hollande was. Also the coincidence of the German airplane crashing on French soil (after the suicidal pilot had visited the US earlier in the year).
One just wishes that these mad men would stop playing games with ordinary peoples lives. But apparently that is just too much to ask.
F William Engdahl concurs with a lot of what you said. He also said people were texting, totally unaware of what we are led to believe happened, at the soccer match.
When James Corbett asked him if anyone died, he responded that he had no idea who died that day. He also remarked at the strangeness of events at the restaurant.
So I’m fairly convinced that it was a true false flag. Not sure why, except to make people hate Muslims more than many already do.
Perhaps still setting up the “clash of civilisations” we have been warned of?
Also, regarding the Mali problem, I understand that six Russians were killed there. I don’t think the PTB are happy with Russia at all at the moment.
I live close by to where these Belgium Morrocans come from. They grew up next door to NATO Headquarters,NOTHING happens in Brussels that NATO intelligence doesn’t know about. Who do you think made manchurian cannidates out of these dopey arabs? Some Immam from Antwerp? don’t count on it,The BND perhaps in neighboring Germany? well now ,maybe its possible,,,,,,ya think?
Respectfully, this would be easier to accept were it not occurring in the wake of Russia’s attack on Charlie Hebdo:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34747432
I feel about Charlie Hebdo the same way Marion Zimmer Bradley described the National Enquirer at an Author’s Meet and Greet I went to in 1972: “I used to love to read it at the checkout counter but I was always afraid to buy it because a truck might hit me in the parking lot and I’d be caught dead with it.” I bought some copies before it went out of business in ’81 but I haven’t given them money since the relaunch. It wasn’t different, I was young and stupid. So I don’t blame the Russians whether I think it funny or not.
At the same time they clearly have a very hard time differentiating between public acts and private acts by individuals. There is no question there are people in Turkey and the US whose support of charitable acts under Islam helps terrorists run clinics. But recent statements by Moscow make it hard to believe they can tell the difference between that and the Undercover official support you are using them as evidence for. It’s like the Chinese protesting to the French when that stupid live action adaptation of the classic comic book Asterix au Jeux Olympiques was released during the Beijing games. Lousy movie but not only not official but a sincere tribute rather than the attack they accused them of. These are not credible sources for what is happening outside their borders. I have
I should add some of my family are Nigerian Muslims who are careful to try not to support Boko Haram – which is just awful – and their efforts have led to a few mild words up there which reflect many lively debates between Muslims as well as between Muslims and us. I don’t support giving terrorists money or resources they will leverage into weapons, but I think you have to be a bigot to think that is the only thing going on – which again the Russian Government seems to.
It is my understanding that France has very strict laws against anything anti-Jewish. It seems Charlie Hebdo chooses its satiric subjects selectively, choosing only groups that cannot fire back legally. They’d be in hot water with the government if they depicted a satiric cartoon mocking anything Jewish, but are praised when they depict anything mocking Islam. And, now, of course, going after Russia.
I’ll have respect for Charlie Hebdo when they go after the hypocrisy of France in this regard and also doing a cartoon showing Western countries funding ISIS through the backdoor while fighting them at the front door.
I can’t argue with most of what you say in the first paragraph. As a comics geek I regard these guys as good designers with lines as expressive as Sempe’s whose ideas about satire are insane and offensive, though I don’t believe they should have been shot.
When it comes to politics I have no respect for them. Period. However they are clearly so chaotic and crazy that the idea that they answer to officialdom is either bizarre or part of an agenda which makes this accusation – more difficult to accept than today’s (November 24) suggestion from RT that there is factional infighting in our government. I know Muslims. I am even friends with a few angry ones. Mostly they do not support terrorists though they do support poor Muslims and some terrorists are trying, with varying success, to get their hands on charitable donations.
It is mostly credible that Putin is lumping support from a LOT of sources into hidden US Government support. That is not to say that the US support doesn’t exist.
And don’t respect Charlie Hebdo except as designers. They are too chaotic for people to take seriously.