RUSSIA’S RT NOTICES THE “FACTIONAL ...
Mr. S.U. shared this article with me, and I regard it as so important that I have to pass it along, together with my usual "high octane speculations." First, the article itself, from Russia's RT:
Who’s in Control? Obama or the generals?
Now, let us remind ourselves of a little context form recent history here, regarding both Iran and Syria. It was not very many years ago, you'll recall, that the war drums were being beaten - quite loudly in fact - regarding Iran's nuclear program, and there were loud voices, both in Israel and the USA, pressing for some sort of American "intervention" in Iran to prevent that country from acquiring yet another Islamic bomb. Similarly, there were loud voices cheeering on the then-"freedom fighers" in Syria, also pressing, again, for a "more active American role." In both instances, the Obama administration was loudly denounced and pilloried by a certain segment of the American and "international community" for having avoiding war in both instances.
At the risk of citing most of the article, I want to draw the readers' attention to these statements:
US President Barack Obama’s business-like meeting with Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the G20 summit at the weekend belies a spate of bellicose comments made by the Pentagon towards Moscow. So, who is in control: Obama or the generals?The two leaders held an earnest 35-minute face-to-face discussion on the opening day of the G20 conference in Antalya, Turkey. The gathering of the world’s top 20 economic nations was dominated by the massive terror attack in Paris two days earlier, which claimed at least 129 lives and hundreds more wounded.
Obama’s meeting with Putin – their first since Russia launched its military intervention in Syria nearly seven weeks ago – was described by the White House as “constructive”.
The American president even appeared to welcome Russian airstrikes against terror groups fighting the Syrian government, most prominently Islamic State (IS) jihadists, also known as ISIL.
“As the diplomacy continues, President Obama welcomed efforts by all nations to confront the terrorist group ISIL and noted the importance of Russia’s military efforts in Syria focusing on the group,”said a White House spokesman.
That’s quite a contrast in substance and tone from a speech made by Defense Secretary Ashton Carter only a week before.
In a blustering tirade, Carter labeled Russia a “global threat” in a speech at the Reagan Library in California. He denounced Russia for “nuclear saber-rattling” and “aggression” in Europe and he slammed Putin’s military operation in Syria as “throwing gasoline” on a fire, which, he said, would lead to more terrorism across the Middle East.
And these:
This is by no means the first time that a schism has become apparent in Washington with regard to Russia.
Back in July, Obama and Kerry both issued embarrassing repudiations of the Pentagon’s hawkish line on Russia. That was after General Joseph F Dunford in his nomination to become the next Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff told Congress that Russia posed “an existential threat to the United States.”
“If you want to talk about a nation that could pose an existential threat to the United States, I’d have to point to Russia,” Dunford said. “And if you look at their behavior, it’s nothing short of alarming.”
Kerry’s spokesman at the State Department, Mark Toner, immediately scotched that belligerent view, saying: “The secretary [Kerry] doesn’t agree with the assessment that Russia is an existential threat to the United States, quite frankly.”
That repudiation was also echoed by the White House whose spokesman Josh Earnest said that General Dunford’s comments reflected “his own view and doesn’t necessarily reflect the consensus analysis of the president’s national security team.”
And now consider RT's conclusions as to what this might mean:
One way of better understanding the apparent contradictions and zigzags is that the Pentagon and CIA are running policies separately and covertly from the official stance of the White House and State Department.
John Kerry vows that he is trying to end the carnage in Syria through political talks in Vienna. But the signs are that the covert warmongers in the CIA are intent on fuelling more conflict in Syria, even if that means triggering an all-out confrontation with Russia.
The Wall Street Journal recently reported that the CIA, along with Saudi Arabia and Turkey, is preparing to supply surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) to militants in Syria “even though Obama has long rebuffed that idea.”
What we may be seeing in US policy is competing agendas. The diplomatic track appears to be favored by the White House and State Department as a more efficacious way of achieving regime change against the Syrian government of President Bashar al-Assad. But the Pentagon, and specifically the CIA, has its own militarist schemes, even if that means providing weapons to terror groups with much greater fire power and risking a proxy war with Russia.
The upshot is that US foreign policy is dangerously all over the place because of competing power players within Washington. The disturbing conclusion is that the American president and his State Department are simply not in control. It’s like watching a driver of an articulated truck whose grip on the wheel has no steering.
A deep, darker state within the official state is by no means a new concept to describe American government and its foreign policy. More than 50 years ago, President John F. Kennedy was so perplexed by CIA covert operations undermining him on Cuba and Vietnam that he declared he would “smash it into a thousand pieces.” That intention probably caused Kennedy his life at the hands of the deep state and its military-industrial complex.(Emphases added)
Now, those who know me well, or even regular readers here, are aware of the fact that I have no love lost for Mr. Obama, his administration, or most of his policies. But the real question is to what extent Mr. Obama really is the author or advocate of the policies attributed to him. His "centerpiece" legislation - Obamacare - is a rehash of proposals actually drafted by the Heritage Foundation, a well-known Republican and ostensibly "conservative" think tank. More importantly, I have pointed out time again again that Mr. Obama has been the target of "security stripping" that were possibly designed to "send messages," from the state dinner he threw during his first administration for visiting Prime Minister Modi of Indiam when two individuals were able to gain access to the dinner who were not on the guest list, to the more recent incident when an individual not on the invitation list was able to come within close physical proximity to Mr. and Mrs. Obama, all in eerie resemblance to the security stripping that occurred around President Kennedy on his ill-fated trip to Dallas Texas on November 22, 1963, alluded to in the RT article. More recently, during an interview, Mr. Richard Hoagland suggested that the two people who crashed that state dinner for Mr. Modi were, in fact, people known to Mr. Obama, and that what might have occurred on that occasion was a test of the reliability of his personal security on his part. Either way one parses that event, however, what one ends with is a presidency under seige, muuch like the Kennedy administration, a point also alluded to by the RT article.
So let's indulge, once again, in our trademark high octane speculation, for some sort of internal power struggle - "factional infighting" as I've been calling it - does appear to be taking place in the American deep state, between the military-industrial-intelligence complex on the one hand, with friendly elements in the Department of State, and the White House. Projected into a much larger geopolitical context, one has the Bush-Saudi connections, with all the attendant ties between the Clintons and the Bushes, on the one hand, and the Russian-Iranian ties, and determination to end Sunni jihadism, on the other. And thrown into this mix, for good measure, are the erstwhile US "allies," Turkey and Saudi Arabia, willing to sell the weapons they buy to the west (they don't make them themselves), to such radical groups. Also to be thrown into this mix are those pictures of Putin and Obama at the last G20 meeting, meeting privately and huddled over a table with their interpreters, in a kind of de facto "summit". I suspect, that one subject of discussion during this apparently impromptu meeting, was precisely the question of just who is really running America. And never, ever, to be forgotten, are all those historical ties between Nazism and radical Muslim groups, a point which puts Russian statements that their real problem isn't the Nazis in Kiev, it's the Nazis in Washington, into a very sobering contextual light.
So what RT is really doing is corroborating something that I personally have advanced over the past few years and in numerous blogs, namely, that the Western House is not in order, and that there are serious cracks and fissures beginning to appear in its foundations, cracks and fissures that make the task of international diplomacy even more dangerous, and that make the European response toward, and awareness of, this possibility even more crucial. Those cracks and fissures suggest that, once again, there is serious factional infighting occuring within the American "deep state,"(to employ Peter Dale Scott's terminoogy) which to ignore, imperils any effort to assess the situation soundly.
See you on the flip side...
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“for having avoiding war in both instances” – No that is totally wrong. He will not put troops on the ground because he knows how unpopular the body bags would be. He still launches wars by supporting the Daesh and affiliated scum.
War is still going on and the USA is still involved up past its eyeballs.
Anyone seen the coming attactions trailers for the ongoing control drama in France lately? Armed guards at water supply facilities and dread reports of hazmat suits stolen from govt facilities – hazmat suits likened to those used in ebola panic gladio episodes….
The profundity of this RT article cannot be be understated. One more point for the good doctor on calling a geopolitical reality way in advance.
Everyone has their pet theory on why Kennedy was murdered in broad daylight and in such a public manner, which was actually a coup involving just about every other part of the government.
Actually, there was at least 1/2 dozen reasons why he was made such an example to the future. To simplify, he just wasn’t towing the line.
Imagine a President thinking and acting as if there really was such a reality. Why… that would be a terrible precedent – for those holding the president’s puppet strings.
Indeed, thinking and acting as if he really was the US president! Boy, THEY taught him a lesson, the very last one to make THAT mistake.
Thank you Robert. Good to hear from you.
Bill Hicks and George Carlin addressed that a few times. and well.
As turkey’s easy money oil supplies begin to dry up after the Russian pounding of ISIS oil assets we see homosexual panic take over as turkey’s knee jerk reaction is to shot down Russian planes in Syria and even the rescue helicopter sent to rescue the downed pilots. With the destruction of the cash cow for ISIS we see the same homosexual panic in the CIA and Pentagon as their self supporting oil set-up for ISIS goes the way of the DO DO bird. Now the penny drops as Pres.Obama must choose between Russia and France against ISIS or to somehow turn against the light and covertly support the pentagons move to save ISIS from total destruction,,,,I see a cease fire initiative on the horizon that only stops Russia and France from fighting.
what’s is homosexual panic, pray tell?
That is kinda confusing. YP, are you talking about actual individuals with less common gender preferences or are you describing generalized characterizations of attitudes and actions of said stereotyped individuals?
Greetings good doctor! I appreciate the website!
Very astute logic regarding political (and not) factions stirring within
the USA leadership. Now extend this idea to all nations, like Turkey and France. Also, consider which nations have mostly stamped out certain factions whose ideologies closely align leaving a dominant collection of allied factions working toward a specific goal, like Russia.
Suddenly the overall picture becomes clearer! We are not seeing a war brewing between nations today.
Power struggles are endemic to power. Constantly being challenged & usurped. When those in power start skirt the letter of the law as often as the breathe, then they expect others to do the same. Power is force, and it’s recently been applied by lunatics[shooting down of Russian fighter]. The Nazis are in charge of parts of the CIA and have been for some time. FDR was nearly replace in a fascist plot if not for Smedley Butler. The military, according to Webster G Tarpley, has been going against Obama’s policies, especially recently in Syria.
The International Corporations, the Criminal Syndicates, the International Banking Cartel, all are grabbing more of the power pie. They aren’t diving up the spoils. They’re taking them.
Trust has gone AWOL.
The White House has fired Generals, who still pull strings from the sidelines, like General BetrayUs.
It’s a good question, whose answer is quite adequately analogous to a stock ticker tape – changing a with the if-come bets.
The only sanity in this high-stakes game is coming from Russia’s Putin crowd. They’re keeping their cool under heavy fire. Nothing new for those boys; as they know the animal they’re dealing with, whose spots aren’t changing one iota.
Speaking of two faced gods: here is my us gobmint sponsored regime changes short list.
Sukarno, Indonesia. Allende, Chile. Marcos, Phillipines. Saddam H. Iraq, Noriega, Panama.
Khaddafi, Libya. The Shah of Iran, …of course we are still working on Assad. No telling how many others… this is not my area. My point being: the US is liable to switch sides as it suits their purposes.
We sponsored and supplied ISIS, now we are reluctantly? Switching.
Currently being the center of the empire, means we have dirtied our hands many times over the years.
Putin is a spook. No doubt he has done his share of dirty work. All I can say is, of all people, he knows better than anyone how this game works.
I too have had this same gut-feeling, for years. Ever since the ‘Big Event’ in Dallas, 1963, Americans have been ‘silently’ living under a Military Dictatorship. The Fascists, in the aftermath of the bloody coup, consolidated their icy grip in the ensuing years, to the point it is today. It’s obvious now that Obama is completely out of the loop on certain ‘rogue’ NATO/CIA/Pentagon issue. The Magicians of Sound and Vision (Wisner’s Wurlitzer) can ‘subliminally’ make the POTUS ‘appear’ to say and do things that he never did.
http://amunaor.com/2014/05/09/a-black-man-hostage-in-a-white-house/
Your suggestion that Barry had good intentions going in, but was ultimately politically neutered by the usual suspects in the MIC is a common trope. I don’t buy it for a second. The dude has been a CIA tool from the get go.
http://youtu.be/ezcr18NTOtA
I was too young to understand what Dallas was all about when it happened, as well as living in another country, but I did have the distinct feeling a curtain was being pulled back to reveal SOMETHING during the Iran-Contra affair. (What do you mean “What did the president know and when did he know it?” Didn’t he have the final say?! Wasn’t he in charge?! If the answer to either of these questions is No, what happened to presidential power?!!)
By the time it came to Obama’s election, I was under far fewer illusions. I refused to vote for him for two reasons. The first one was that there is something deeply wrong with a president being touted as a sex symbol, even if this is America. The second was that it seemed extremely unlikely he would be free to carry out ANY of his campaign promises (back then I still hoped such a thing was possible for a politician), since his background was so atypical of presidential candidates as to make him appear disadvantaged. I assumed he would be so beholden to carrying out the wishes of fully half the oligarchs in the country, who had to have put him in position for that purpose, that there would be no possibility of his doing anything good for the rank and file (and no, I do NOT think Obamacare is good…for anyone except insurance companies). Every time I see a new photo of him, I’m shocked at how much he has aged since the last one, and it seems like confirmation that we are watching the slow death of an idealist.
It looks to me like Obama is earning his Peace award, too bad it has to be earned against his own Countrymen. But then, maybe it’s being earned against the breakaway civilization, and if that be so, it’s a hard earned one.
I think this schism has been in operation since WWII, and we just don’t see it when the White House is part of that coalition. I also think that Obama knows full well who killed Kennedy and why, (he was good friends with Teddy Kennedy and Ted was the one who encouraged him to run in the first place) and that this makes it even more interesting that he would still choose to oppose these guys.
The late senator Paul Simon was a big supporter of Obama when he ran for the Illinois senate. Simon was from southern Illinois just a few miles west of me. Locals wanted to know where the guy with the strange name was from and Simon said (yeah I know it sounds corny. lol) Kenya. It wasn’t clear in retrospect if he meant he was from Kenya or that he meant “of Kenyan heritage”. He died while having heart surgery a few years back. Paul was a decent fellow. db
And Teddy just happened to die on the day that Cindy Sheehan was to do her press conference in Martha Vineyard protesting warmonger Obama, but how convenient that Teddy’s death postponed that and essential prevented the story from breaking out!!!
Did Teddy take a shot for the Team!
If OU / LENR is on the official horizon, then getting your NG pipeline infrastructure in place is time sensitive. This is after all, another Pipelanistan conflict with Russia, Saudi, Qatar, Iraq and Iran with peices and product on the chess board. IF the wheels are coming off the bus, THEN serious change is afoot. But, will this be a WWF style conflict or will it be unscripted is the real question?
I wouldn’t like to be in the shoes of a Turkish general right now…
You can’t seriously discuss who runs the US without including the Vampire Squid, the FRN printers, and Wall Street, who enable all this madness with their funny money and who fund the NGOs and have bought the whole lot of second-level “factions” enumerated in the post.
They go to the top of the list, yet are nerer on it. Funny how that works.
^ never
So, if you were the Russian Leadership and you reached the conclusion that a.) the Community Organizer from Chicago is not in charge at the Executive level, b.) during 9/11, while the USA was conducting a full scale live fly nuclear war drill, COSMIC CODES fell into a war mongering faction and the US President had to be present at a Launch Center Command to not authorize a nuclear strike but prevent false launch orders from being accepted……
What would your reaction be to the overwhelming strike might being assembled against Russian forces in Syria at this very moment?
What happens when Stalingrad meets Guadalcanal?
Yes as I typed this RT is reporting the downing of a Russian fighter by Turkish fighter jets and the murder of it’s two pilots. On the ground by DAESH fighters what is the Turkish Government thinking. As I have asked before and this goes back to post Dallas who really calls the shots and are the power behind the throne in the CSA. Truly the inmates run the asylum that is America one wonders what is going through the minds of the indigenous people of this hemisphere.
ISIS is now claiming to have shot down the search and rescue helicopter sent to pick up the pilots as well. Retribution will be swift and merciless, no doubt.
You better believe it, Putin will respond but not the way everybody thinks. This is Turkey being stupid and this incident could escalate very quickly, and be very aware, Putin hasn’t forgotten the downing of the Russian commercial jet over Egypt. I’d hate to think of what kind of payback he is planning, but rest assured, Putin isn’t mucking around any more, this is serious stuff.
It’s surprising to see comments that are tied to the idea that nations and their visible leadership are making moves on the board. Even when this article speaks of factions within governments making the moves without full agreement of the other factions!
Putin knows that Turkey did not shoot a plane down. He knows he is up against a group that has infiltrated many nations. Where that group is dominant, the actions are made. Putin’s next move will not be against Turkey; it will be against that group and whatever nation it will be using to advance their agenda at that moment.
Most here will agree that the US/Wests leadership is sock puppet theater. Intelligence has long been a tool of the aristocracy and bankers. That hasn’t changed in centuries. What we may be seeing here is infighting between old intelligence (CIA) and new intelligence (DHS) for funding. One side controlled by a portion of the elites, the other controlled by the remainder. The factional infighting between these groups trickles down through the agencies. One side produces the false flags and warmongering rhetoric, the other exposes them for what they are.
The fascist roots of the US/wests aristocracy has been known since the first world war and was exposed publicly during and after the second world war. The fact that nothing was done about it then tells you just who is in control of the governments in the west.
Putin’s assessment of who the real enemies to world peace and backers of unipolarism are is spot on. The decent of the US/west into a fascist state is accelerating rapidly now; with the passage of each trade agreement the corporations gain more power both here and abroad. Those who control the corporations are consolidating their power. The octopus is tightening its grip through the various intelligence agencies and trade agreements world wide. Soon they will be able to trump any/all government and the world will descend into a fascist/feudalist state with the corporations in control and whose owners will be the world government.
With enough money you can buy anything, including the earth and everything on it, and that money is being consolidated into fewer and fewer hands through the fiat money system of the central banks which have a death grip on every government. The theater in the middle east and the refugee crisis in Europe is designed to keep our attention focused there instead of where it should be.
We should have tossed the money changers out of the temple long ago. Our failure to do so has led to our present dilemma.
Grim, sadly plausable. Maybe thats why so many refugees are welkomed/admitted by the elites in Europe Those people are allready rooted/trained in fascist/feudalist living.
My research as to ” WHO Really ‘runs’ things brings me to several centers of REAL POWER, and their immediate allied “partners-in-crime,” which gets tricky at best, but if understood clears up much. Primarily, I see the Rothschild-UK Gov-Israel CABAL, the D R–Bush US Mil-Ind-Intel-BIo-Banking CABAL, (USGov, and Std Rep Party, ) which is challenged by a Koch-led Tea-party Rep -Big Coal/Oil Energy group, and a Soros-Clinton Group. And then there is a Putin Power Center and a China Power Nucleus which is growing, too. I can’t account for where the Warburg Group plays in this mix and, at-the-end of the day, where the Saudis truly line-up. There is also some “other energy” that moves amongst the groups and seems to keep the pot stirred and tilts the direction of the big issues…I think that once the Warburg groups leaning is understood and the “unknown energy” is identified, then much will become clear–…..
The US president has been little more than a puppet/figurehead for a long time now. I wonder why someone like Putin even bothers to talk to him.
The product of the argument reared it’s ugly head as reported by RT few hours ago:
A Russian Su-24 fighter has been shot down in Syria, the Russian Defense Ministry said, adding the plane hadn’t violated Turkish airspace and was flying at an altitude of 6,000 meters.